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Ainocra
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Postby Ainocra » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:29 am

As amusing as I have found the debate around this entire debacle to be, the Star Empire votes against this proposal. We feel that the proposed replacement is far inferior to the current resolution.


oocly:

I'm sitting here having silently (for the most part) watched this little drama play out and it occurs to me that perhaps we all take ourselves and this game a little too seriously.

No I'm not trying to claim the moral high ground either, I am just as guilty of it at times as we all are.

Perhaps we should put this one to bed and move along......
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:51 am

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Postby Hakio » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:00 am

Ainocra wrote:oocly:

I'm sitting here having silently (for the most part) watched this little drama play out and it occurs to me that perhaps we all take ourselves and this game a little too seriously.

No I'm not trying to claim the moral high ground either, I am just as guilty of it at times as we all are.

Perhaps we should put this one to bed and move along......

OOC: You can never take this game too seriously. :ugeek:
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Postby The Most Glorious Hack » Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:41 am

Well played, sir. Please accept this congratulatory golf clap.


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Ainocra
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Postby Ainocra » Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:27 pm

Hakio wrote:OOC: You can never take this game too seriously. :ugeek:




oocly:

sure ya can.... 8)

wanna fight about it?

:P
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Postby DWAsnia » Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:52 pm

IIC: "Ye Gods! The delegation from Douria used to have my respect. Now, he hoodwinked many a voter to think that this bill submission was genuine when, in fact, it was not. Many would say "Condemn him!" But this is in fact what they want. Notoriety. The only true way to punish the nation is to purge their name from the all historical records but that is, unfortunately impossible."

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Postby Yelda » Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:22 pm

I suggest we convene an international commission to study the Douria problem. In fact, the admins should probably create a new sub-forum for us to do that in.
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Postby Starlightia » Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:27 pm

First off, how did this get enough delegates to even make it to the floor? Second, Who thought this was a good idea at all? Third most, if we're gonna do this, why not have a plan to, or even have on hand, a re-written and re-worded copy of this resolution?
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Postby Shadow Afforess » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:16 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:
The Dourian Embassy wrote:I've been mostly quiet about this repeal since I submitted it, mostly because I didn't want the permission I'd been given to submit it to be withdrawn by the original author.

However, now that it is up for vote and losing by a wide margin, I'd like to come out officially against this repeal and thank the delegates who're voting against it.


Bad move. You have manipulated the World Assembly for your own personal vendetta. A personal vendetta to shame another member of the game for no reason other than not having the same opinions as you.

There will be consequences to your actions.


For those who thought my "consequences" line was a bluff.

Consequence #1: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49805/douria.png
Consequence #2: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49805/douria2.png
Consequence #3: I will campaign against any future legislation that Douria submits, or co-authors.

Actions have consequences. Next time mess with someone your own size.
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Postby Defwa » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:27 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:
Shadow Afforess wrote:
Bad move. You have manipulated the World Assembly for your own personal vendetta. A personal vendetta to shame another member of the game for no reason other than not having the same opinions as you.

There will be consequences to your actions.


For those who thought my "consequences" line was a bluff.

Consequence #1: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49805/douria.png
Consequence #2: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49805/douria2.png
Consequence #3: I will campaign against any future legislation that Douria submits, or co-authors.

Actions have consequences. Next time mess with someone your own size.

Well that sure wasn't a waste of money or time
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Postby Eireann Fae » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:29 pm



(OOC: So the 'consequences' are that you're going to lie about the history? The name Auralia used to submit the proposal in the first place was The World Assembly Charter Working Group - it was the very word 'Group' that got the resolution yanked, genius. At least you're only one voice, and one that can be completely disregarded at that.)

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:31 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:
Shadow Afforess wrote:
Bad move. You have manipulated the World Assembly for your own personal vendetta. A personal vendetta to shame another member of the game for no reason other than not having the same opinions as you.

There will be consequences to your actions.


For those who thought my "consequences" line was a bluff.

Consequence #1: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49805/douria.png
Consequence #2: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49805/douria2.png
Consequence #3: I will campaign against any future legislation that Douria submits, or co-authors.

Actions have consequences. Next time mess with someone your own size.

And to think people said installing NS++ was a bad idea because Afforess would use it for his own personal vendettas or create a botnet out of it. Shows them! Hahahahaha ah wait shit...

Why should people stop Douria from manipulating the WA in favor of you manipulating it?
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Postby The Palentine » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:32 pm

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I just love watching the temper tantrums here in the Festering Snakepit. It warms the very Cockles of my heart to see that deep down all people are equally contemptable.
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Shadow Afforess
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Postby Shadow Afforess » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:32 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Shadow Afforess wrote:
For those who thought my "consequences" line was a bluff.

Consequence #1: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49805/douria.png
Consequence #2: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49805/douria2.png
Consequence #3: I will campaign against any future legislation that Douria submits, or co-authors.

Actions have consequences. Next time mess with someone your own size.

And to think people said installing NS++ was a bad idea because Afforess would use it for his own personal vendettas or create a botnet out of it. Shows them! Hahahahaha ah wait shit...


Oh please. You try so hard.

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Why should people stop Douria from manipulating the WA in favor of you manipulating it?


I don't even know what you are trying to say. Add some more double negatives perhaps?
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Mallorea and Riva
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:35 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:And to think people said installing NS++ was a bad idea because Afforess would use it for his own personal vendettas or create a botnet out of it. Shows them! Hahahahaha ah wait shit...


Oh please. You try so hard.

Not as hard as you did with all those consequences. What a strange and silly vendetta to start over something so unimportant.

Shadow Afforess wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Why should people stop Douria from manipulating the WA in favor of you manipulating it?


I don't even know what you are trying to say. Add some more double negatives perhaps?

I will rephrase it into a statement since the question is going over your head. You are attempting to manipulate the WA while lambasting Douria for doing the same.
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Postby Shadow Afforess » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:36 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:I will rephrase it into a statement since the question is going over your head. You are attempting to manipulate the WA while lambasting Douria for doing the same.


Setting the record straight is hardly manipulation. Perhaps it bothers you that I am interested in facts and truth.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:39 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:I will rephrase it into a statement since the question is going over your head. You are attempting to manipulate the WA while lambasting Douria for doing the same.


Setting the record straight is hardly manipulation. Perhaps it bothers you that I am interested in facts and truth.

Except that no one here is concealing what has happened. You can only set the record straight if it isn't public knowledge of what the record is. Why would it bother me anyways? I wasn't even involved in this.
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Postby Eireann Fae » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:40 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:Setting the record straight is hardly manipulation. Perhaps it bothers you that I am interested in facts and truth.


(OOC: If you were so interested in facts and truth, you wouldn't be lying in NS++ posts and telegrams about what really went down a month or so ago.)

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Postby Shadow Afforess » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:41 pm

Eireann Fae wrote:
Shadow Afforess wrote:Setting the record straight is hardly manipulation. Perhaps it bothers you that I am interested in facts and truth.


(OOC: If you were so interested in facts and truth, you wouldn't be lying in NS++ posts and telegrams about what really went down a month or so ago.)


Feel free to point out any lies. I didn't make any.

Protip: WA forums are all OOC.
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Postby Sanctaria » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:42 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:
Eireann Fae wrote:
(OOC: If you were so interested in facts and truth, you wouldn't be lying in NS++ posts and telegrams about what really went down a month or so ago.)


Feel free to point out any lies. I didn't make any.

Protip: WA forums are all OOC.

GA is IC, actually.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:44 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:
Eireann Fae wrote:
(OOC: If you were so interested in facts and truth, you wouldn't be lying in NS++ posts and telegrams about what really went down a month or so ago.)


Feel free to point out any lies. I didn't make any.

Protip: WA forums are all OOC.

Well. I guess if you had any credibility in here it just went flying out the window.

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Postby Shadow Afforess » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:48 pm

Sanctaria wrote:
Shadow Afforess wrote:
Feel free to point out any lies. I didn't make any.

Protip: WA forums are all OOC.

GA is IC, actually.

Bullshit, it is out of character, according to the Board Index:

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Any forum not marked "[in-character]" is OOC.
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Postby Sanctaria » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:49 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:
Sanctaria wrote:GA is IC, actually.

Bullshit, it is out of character, according to the Board Index:

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Any forum not marked "[in-character]" is OOC.

Really? Try telling that to the people in P2TM.

I think any forum marked "not a roleplaying forum" you'll find is, eh, not a roleplaying forum.
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Auralia wrote:Your condescending attitude is remarkably annoying.

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Postby Yelda » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:51 pm

I think we've reached that point where the thread requires a soundtrack.
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Postby Wrapper » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:51 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:I will rephrase it into a statement since the question is going over your head. You are attempting to manipulate the WA while lambasting Douria for doing the same.


Setting the record straight is hardly manipulation. Perhaps it bothers you that I am interested in facts and truth.

If you are going to harp on "facts" and "the truth" then maybe you yourself should get your facts straight.
Eireann Fae wrote:The name Auralia used to submit the proposal in the first place was The World Assembly Charter Working Group - it was the very word 'Group' that got the resolution yanked, genius.

It used the WA flag as well.

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