[Submitted] Sexual Education Act

[Defwa]

Rowan shakes her head at the Frustrated Franciscan. "The gnomes do a lot of things that you may consider beneath their dignity, yet they shall continue to toil tirelessly to ensure nations' compliance with whatever resolutions this body sees fit to pass. We are rather curious, however, as to why you believe such legislation as we are proposing may be 'political damaging' to all governments of member nations." She directs her attention to the other delegates assembled.

Friar John Sanders stands up and smiles. "It is one thing for a gnome to study, economic, political, and even social and societal data. It is quite another thing for them to be required to research 'the details and effects of sexual activity.' As they say, the devil's in those details. Are they required to research the preferred positions, level of foreplay, and a variety of other factors? After all you do state, 'including, but not limited to.' Look, I have no problem, well I do have problems, but that's not the point, with establishing sexual educations standards. I do have a problem with a committee to research the sexual details of citizens of member nations. As for the politically damaging part, I would ask Brother Maynard to explain that one in more detail."

Brother Maynard stood up. Why does the first order always ask the third order to explain the hard questions. "You see," Brother Maynard began, "while most nations might have a liberal sexual attitude they often, at the same time, place significant requirements of chastity on their elected officials. Note, I said chastity, not celibacy. Unfortunately, they are generally no better than the majority of the people in their own nation. Should these things be properly 'researched' by the gnomes, who are very good at what they do, the indiscretions of elected officials will be inevitably recorded. According to World Assembly Resolution ... (slight pause as he shuffles through his papers) number 196, 'Freedom of Information Act' such records are available to a general request through a FOIA request. Now I would hate to see what would be the result in most nations should the full details of a certain restroom on a certain floor within this building became public knowledge in the various nations throughout the whole World Assembly. There are just some things that should be kept private, for the good of the continued existence of the elected officials, of course."

So your disapproval of this proposal based on the fact that politicians may have lied and hidden their past to get to their positions?

Then out with them!

[Eireann Fae]

"Your concern is quite reasonable, Lord Andreas, and it is always our intention to at least address reasonable concerns. We often make an attempt to address rather unreasonable concerns as well, as I shall elaborate on momentarily." Rowan glances briefly at the Franciscan delegation before returning her warm smile to the ambassador from Cardoness. "After considering the three versions of the clause in question mentioned thus far, we have indeed agreed to implement your own suggestion in the current version of our draft proposal. We agree that the onus should be on proving incognisance, and while this version is still open to abuse by unreasonable nations, we feel it is sufficient to enact the spirit of what we are trying to do."

"Which is," the girl continues, her sparkling green eyes now turning to the delegate from Araraukar, "to make sure that everyone that can mentally handle the information receives it. We appreciate what you are trying to do in your suggestion of how we should word the 'instructs' clause, but such wording does not reflect the reason behind adding that phrase in the first place. It is our opinion that 'INSTRUCTS Member Nations to implement the curriculum...' is sufficient in ensuring individuals receive the instruction as provided by the GIBE, and we feel the GIBE is a competent enough body to enact a curriculum that will make those that study it sufficiently knowledgeable anyway. The new phrasing is solely meant to exempt those that may be unsuited to such... carnal knowledge, from having it forced upon them. However, if you still have concerns about whether our proposal will have its intended effect, please do let us know, and if at all possible help us draft it to your satisfaction."

Maintaining her polite composure, Rowan speaks now to Fr. Sanders. "It was never our intention for the GIBE to study such details as particular sexual positions and those that implement them. Mind, though, that we have no problem with the body cataloguing the physical manoeuvres involved in various species' copulation - indeed, such information may be necessary for some species to successfully breed without injuring themselves. We also take no issue with the GIBE looking into foreplay and how large or small a part it tends to play in a particular culture, and in general teaching people to be better at it."

"Seriously, good foreplay is way underrated!"

Rowan's smile broadens a bit at Alex's colourful contribution, then she continues, levelling her gaze at Brother Maynard. "Forgive our ignorance of the restricted sexuality apparent in your culture - sex is nothing to be ashamed of amongst the Community of Eireann Fae, in either abstinence nor promiscuity. We have a policy of 'to each their own', and pay little attention to the sex lives of our Human leaders - the Faeries copulate sans intercourse, but do enjoy erogenous play, which is also their own business. However, as this is clearly not the case in all cultures, we have added a line clarifying that the GIBE need not look too deeply into the sexual habits of any particular individuals, nor collect names at all during the course of their research. Does this help at all to satisfy your concerns?"

[Jichang]

The People's Republic of Jichang opposes this draft because first it could cause children to do sexual stuff at an very young age and second because an nation should decide for itself if sex education is to be done or not.
And the WA should stay out of the bedroom, shouldn't they?

[New South Switzerland]

Friar John Sanders stands up and smiles. "It is one thing for a gnome to study, economic, political, and even social and societal data. It is quite another thing for them to be required to research 'the details and effects of sexual activity.' As they say, the devil's in those details. Are they required to research the preferred positions, level of foreplay, and a variety of other factors? After all you do state, 'including, but not limited to.' Look, I have no problem, well I do have problems, but that's not the point, with establishing sexual educations standards. I do have a problem with a committee to research the sexual details of citizens of member nations. As for the politically damaging part, I would ask Brother Maynard to explain that one in more detail."

Brother Maynard stood up. Why does the first order always ask the third order to explain the hard questions. "You see," Brother Maynard began, "while most nations might have a liberal sexual attitude they often, at the same time, place significant requirements of chastity on their elected officials. Note, I said chastity, not celibacy. Unfortunately, they are generally no better than the majority of the people in their own nation. Should these things be properly 'researched' by the gnomes, who are very good at what they do, the indiscretions of elected officials will be inevitably recorded. According to World Assembly Resolution ... (slight pause as he shuffles through his papers) number 196, 'Freedom of Information Act' such records are available to a general request through a FOIA request. Now I would hate to see what would be the result in most nations should the full details of a certain restroom on a certain floor within this building became public knowledge in the various nations throughout the whole World Assembly. There are just some things that should be kept private, for the good of the continued existence of the elected officials, of course."

So your disapproval of this proposal based on the fact that politicians may have lied and hidden their past to get to their positions?

Then out with them!

[Frustrated Franciscans]

So your disapproval of this proposal based on the fact that politicians may have lied and hidden their past to get to their positions?

Then out with them!

I am most interested in how the representative from Defwa got their position within the General Assembly. I suspect it was because of those same "politicians."

Hopefully, they probably do not read debate transcripts, so your position is secure ... for now.

Actually my disapproval is based on the notion of having a broad mandate to study the sex lives of the citizens of my nation, including politicians.

(As well as Bishops, Priests, and Celibate Friars ...)

[Bears Armed]

"But hwouldn't authorising this rresearch contradict the 'Sexual Privacy Act'?"


Urra o HighPeaks,
Apprentice Voice, Bears Armed Mission at the World Assembly.

[Applebania]

The People's Republic of Jichang opposes this draft because first it could cause children to do sexual stuff at an very young age and second because an nation should decide for itself if sex education is to be done or not.
And the WA should stay out of the bedroom, shouldn't they?

Claire leans back, and facepalms.
"You do realise that not educating your nation's children about sex would probably make children less likely to have sex, as they would know the consequences? Also, even if they do, educating them as to the appropriate precautions for sex would make them more likely to use them? Also, you could educate them at any point before sexual maturity, there probably won't be an epidemic of 7-year-olds fucking in your country if this passes, which I sincerely hope it does."

OOC: Also, lolNatsov.

[Defwa]

So your disapproval of this proposal based on the fact that politicians may have lied and hidden their past to get to their positions?

Then out with them!

I am most interested in how the representative from Defwa got their position within the General Assembly. I suspect it was because of those same "politicians."

Hopefully, they probably do not read debate transcripts, so your position is secure ... for now.

Actually my disapproval is based on the notion of having a broad mandate to study the sex lives of the citizens of my nation, including politicians.

(As well as Bishops, Priests, and Celibate Friars ...)

The politicians who gave me my position did not have to falsify their lives in order to do so. Defwa has a very open society.
For instance, the Grand Wizard Trahl is married to a man and a woman and has a young man on the side he takes to events sometimes. Grand Wizard Jense has eight wives and sixteen mistresses.
The sexual histories of our politicians are not hidden because they are not relevant.

Now if sexual histories are relevant to your politicians or your electorate and they have to lie about their histories to get to their positions, then they shouldn't have their positions.
If you're scared of information then you're doing something wrong. I can't see why you have trouble with that. Otherwise you're institutionalizing corruption and hypocrisy.

[Eireann Fae]

"Ambassador, I do so dislike being the bearer of bad news, but please allow me to be the first to inform you - children already do sexual stuff at a very young age. Self-discovery is natural, and until they are told otherwise, a great many children explore their own sexuality. Many people choose to describe this action as 'playing with themselves'. It is not until children are admonished for fondling themselves that they cease doing the 'sexual stuff' that comes quite naturally to them."

"The lucky prudish parents are those whose young are content to play solely with themselves. There are, however, also cases where children play amongst each other, deriving mutual satisfaction from their sexual play, even if they do not understand the full ramifications of their actions. Our goal here is merely to explain these natural feelings and put them in a context so that children can know what they are dealing with, and if they do choose to act, to do so in a responsible, safe manner. Children are often made aware of other such things, as getting intoxicated with various substances, or operating motor vehicles. Yet few are given the privilege of partaking of these actions - there is similarly nothing to stop a conservative family from teaching their own children that sex can wait."

Rowan once again turns her attention to Fr. Sanders, gesturing to the revised draft as she does so. "Father, we have recently added some text to our proposal that was meant to alleviate your concerns. The GIBE does not need to study the sex lives of any particular citizens of your nations, including public officials or religious leaders. Assuming your population is generally Human, the easiest thing for them to do would be to publish general research for our species, and not need to do any original research within your borders at all. They can also elicit volunteers for study - I am quite sure that there are many people that would happily demonstrate their knowledge of carnal pleasures before a studious audience. In any case, most of their concerns will be of a sociological and epidemiological nature. The body need not even concern itself with particular 'positions' or, as we have repeatedly stated, any particular interpersonal relationships."

Replacing her exasperated façade with a friendly smile, the girl addresses Ambassador o HighPeaks. "It has been too long since the voice of your people was raised in our chambers. We find it unfortunate that this voice is raised in mild protest, but hope to settle that matter amicably. Article 1a of the Sexual Privacy Act 'establishes a right to sexual privacy without state intervention'. The GIBE is not a 'state' recognised by that law, nor any other, and does not fall under this clause's purview. Article 3a prohibits national legislation regulating private consensual sexual acts, 3b establishes age of consent, 3c enforces the age of consent, and 3d is clarification on the rights of private industries to enact disciplinary measures on distasteful sexual practices."

"No other part of the legislation appears to be even tangentially related to our proposal on research and education. Please do speak up if you feel there is something that we may have missed. It should be noted that we find GAR#16 to be fairly flawed in a number of ways, and would not be opposed to its repeal and replacement; however, as the law stands, we do not believe it in any way interferes with our efforts here."

"Are there any further questions, comments, or concerns?" Rowan casts her gaze about the room as the diminutive Emissary whispers further instructions into her ear. "Any more suggestions as to the text of our proposal? Are the recent changes satisfactory? It is our intention to submit this proposal for a test run sine vendo after the week's end."

[Draica]

Perhaps STDs and unwanted pregnancies are considered "special"?

"Dracia's a very strange place," Claire replied.

"Come visit us, we're not all that strange." He remarked.

[Draica]

Tung facepalms as he hears all the arguments stacked up against him thus far.

"All the piss poor pathetic pompous pious arguments put up so far are just that, piss, poor, pathetic. And now we have the Ambassador from Eireann Fae(whoever she is, he remarked in a snide comment) promoting our children do foreplay? Are you serious? This is an issue of morality. If you shove this stuff down their throats it'll be incredibly, incredibly, INCREDIBLY difficult for the average 14 year old boy to maintain a credible view of morality if he has chosen to do so. The skater dudes, the fornicators and the party people will like this. Teens who want to stay on a pure path in Draica? They will be bombarded by this nonsense.

What's next, a committe on sexual advice where teens can go to do get advice about sex and sexual activities? Give me a break. Opposed, opposed, opposed."

[Brilliant Equestria]

Tung facepalms as he hears all the arguments stacked up against him thus far.

"All the piss poor pathetic pompous pious arguments put up so far are just that, piss, poor, pathetic. And now we have the Ambassador from Eireann Fae(whoever she is, he remarked in a snide comment) promoting our children do foreplay? Are you serious? This is an issue of morality. If you shove this stuff down their throats it'll be incredibly, incredibly, INCREDIBLY difficult for the average 14 year old boy to maintain a credible view of morality if he has chosen to do so. The skater dudes, the fornicators and the party people will like this. Teens who want to stay on a pure path in Draica? They will be bombarded by this nonsense.

What's next, a committe on sexual advice where teens can go to do get advice about sex and sexual activities? Give me a break. Opposed, opposed, opposed."

"Considering the patronizing, overly-moralistic stance you've adopted in other debates, Ambassador, the idea of you calling anyone pompous and pious is ludicrous - alliteration notwithstanding. As for your proposed committee, I endorse the idea wholeheartedly".

Lord Bentwing turns towards Ambassador Rowan, "Consider this to have our full support. It's certainly better than Aural- excuse me, Railana's attempt".

[Draica]

Tung facepalms as he hears all the arguments stacked up against him thus far.

"All the piss poor pathetic pompous pious arguments put up so far are just that, piss, poor, pathetic. And now we have the Ambassador from Eireann Fae(whoever she is, he remarked in a snide comment) promoting our children do foreplay? Are you serious? This is an issue of morality. If you shove this stuff down their throats it'll be incredibly, incredibly, INCREDIBLY difficult for the average 14 year old boy to maintain a credible view of morality if he has chosen to do so. The skater dudes, the fornicators and the party people will like this. Teens who want to stay on a pure path in Draica? They will be bombarded by this nonsense.

What's next, a committe on sexual advice where teens can go to do get advice about sex and sexual activities? Give me a break. Opposed, opposed, opposed."

"Considering the patronizing, overly-moralistic stance you've adopted in other debates, Ambassador, the idea of you calling anyone pompous and pious is ludicrous - alliteration notwithstanding. As for your proposed committee, I endorse the idea wholeheartedly".

Lord Bentwing turns towards Ambassador Rowan, "Consider this to have our full support. It's certainly better than Aural- excuse me, Railana's attempt".

"And ladies and gentlemen, my point solidifies. These people are OK with giving people under the age of adulthood tips and tricks on how to have sex. They are even OK with a committe on it. I ask the Ambassador from Fae("once more, whoever she is") to go on record.

One, does the Ambassador believe that a committe should be established to teach children how to engage in sexual activity?

Two, is the Ambassador not comfortable with their own country's secular policies? Why must you try to force your secular policies on us?

And three, does the Ambassador want to encourage teenagers to engage in this type of behavior? Because it seems the Ambassador is saying that you recognize that adolescents will do this no matter what we do, so isn't this encouragement?"

[Separatist Peoples]

"Considering the patronizing, overly-moralistic stance you've adopted in other debates, Ambassador, the idea of you calling anyone pompous and pious is ludicrous - alliteration notwithstanding. As for your proposed committee, I endorse the idea wholeheartedly".

Lord Bentwing turns towards Ambassador Rowan, "Consider this to have our full support. It's certainly better than Aural- excuse me, Railana's attempt".

"And ladies and gentlemen, my point solidifies. These people are OK with giving people under the age of adulthood tips and tricks on how to have sex. They are even OK with a committe on it. I ask the Ambassador from Fae("once more, whoever she is") to go on record.

One, does the Ambassador believe that a committe should be established to teach children how to engage in sexual activity?

Two, is the Ambassador not comfortable with their own country's secular policies? Why must you try to force your secular policies on us?

And three, does the Ambassador want to encourage teenagers to engage in this type of behavior? Because it seems the Ambassador is saying that you recognize that adolescents will do this no matter what we do, so isn't this encouragement?"

"How, in the name of Odin's neckbeard, does educating people equate to encouraging misuse? Do your citizens go on a killing spree when they learn how to handle a gun? Do Draicans start driving recklessly as soon as they get their driver's permit? How many homemade bombs have your teens made after their first Chemistry class? Why the fuck should education in sex be somehow different? Unless your educators are so incredibly incompetent that they cannot teach without advocating, or your citizens such simpletons that they cannot entertain an idea without accepting it, your arguments are just you blowing hot air. Looks like one or the other to me."

[Friday Freshman]

OOC: So the GIBE is just going to end up like "Masters of Sex"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/3 ... 47555.html

[Defwa]

OOC: So the GIBE is just going to end up like "Masters of Sex"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/3 ... 47555.html

OOC: Is it too late to rename this proposal?

[Bananaistan]

We are still concerned with the local units clause but given that "local units" is not defined and the clause only gives "families or communities" as possible examples which we can work around, we will support the proposal.

[Frustrated Franciscans]

Rowan once again turns her attention to Fr. Sanders, gesturing to the revised draft as she does so. "Father, we have recently added some text to our proposal that was meant to alleviate your concerns. The GIBE does not need to study the sex lives of any particular citizens of your nations, including public officials or religious leaders. Assuming your population is generally Human, the easiest thing for them to do would be to publish general research for our species, and not need to do any original research within your borders at all. They can also elicit volunteers for study - I am quite sure that there are many people that would happily demonstrate their knowledge of carnal pleasures before a studious audience. In any case, most of their concerns will be of a sociological and epidemiological nature. The body need not even concern itself with particular 'positions' or, as we have repeatedly stated, any particular interpersonal relationships."

"And yet, the purpose of the resolution is still for the creation of a committee, 'Researching the details and effects of sexual activity' and 'Creating and publishing freely an educational curriculum.' I think it's best to avoid the problem of varying species, this still results in a one size fits all solution that must be uniformly be implemented in all nations of the same species. We don't need to have the WA study 'sexual activity.' Nor do we need a universal curriculum. You have to take the culture, the economic conditions, and even the religious morals of a nation's people into account in designing a curriculum. There is a vast difference between sex and science, or between sex and the humanities, for that matter. You need to be able to have that flexibility in the creating of a curriculum."

"I don't think these issues are properly addressed in the current draft. Curriculum guidelines, as opposed to curriculum, for example, would probably put this to something we might be able to accept. Wording different from 'details and effects' might also be appropriate."

[Eireann Fae]

(OOC: No time for proper ICness, sorry to say, but I have submitted the proposal for a test run. I did enjoy the 'masters of sex' piece, but I don't think that would really be an appropriate title for the proposal :-)

[Chester Pearson]

but I have submitted the proposal for a test run.

/sigh

[Defwa]

but I have submitted the proposal for a test run.

/sigh

"Oh, Chester," Angela says, patting the smaller ambassador on the back.

[Friday Freshman]

"If this proposal comes to pass. We would like to see that Friday Freshman's own Head of Research, Gabe Newell. He is a very horny fellow and we really think that he would enjoy the assignment of researching this subject for the World Assembly."

[Rotwood]

Felica rolls her eyes at the usual excuse being trotted out
"Seriously, if your convictions are firm, this wont affect you in the slightest. Either that or you are whole-heartedly ignorant. The reality is, whether you like it, know it, or not, they are going to experiment anyway. I'm sure for those who preach abstinence it will be covered within the education, and reinforced by the 'local units' in those nations, but the reality is that it isnt the be all, end all, nor universally adhered to by horny teenagers in even those nations that preach it. And they certainly wouldn't be practising it after they are married, so at least they have information on the subject for when that time comes.

We wish Eireann Fae the best of luck. As we have stated, given what we have legislated on this subject before, this actually seems a responsibility of the WA."

[Frustrated Franciscans]

"The reality is, whether you like it, know it, or not, they are going to experiment anyway."

"Experiment? You make it sound like it is a science project. I realize that boys will be boys and girls will be girls. Never the less, one should stick to the submitted resolution at hand. This resolution creates an international committee to create an international curriculum that addresses, 'the effects of sexual activity and related topics such as adoption and family planning.' I strongly object to a one size fits all approach, and I point out that the term 'family planning' is code for 'abortion.' That's why its often mentioned after adoption, a process that takes place after both conception and natural birth."

"Now, perhaps a little information on my nation is in order. I represent The Organic Vegan Commune of Frustrated Franciscans. I would like to propose an interesting argument; the purpose of sex is procreation just as the purpose of eating is digestion. Putting that in a different way, it would be impossible to create a one size fits everyone approach to the education of youth in terms of safe and healthy eating. Clearly, everyone knows if you eat too much of the wrong things you will get fat. But the curriculum for a nation of organic vegans is going to be vastly different from the curriculum for rabid pesticide raised meat eaters. That's why I've proposed curriculum guidelines as opposed to a specific curriculum."

"I believe my nation has the best resources to determine what should be taught to the children of my nation. I would always appreciate any information or material on the subject matter, but I strongly object to an enforced curriculum that doesn't take into account the socioeconomic conditions within my, or anyone's nation. I believe that is not in the best interest of the children."

[Separatist Peoples]

"The reality is, whether you like it, know it, or not, they are going to experiment anyway."

"Experiment? You make it sound like it is a science project. I realize that boys will be boys and girls will be girls. Never the less, one should stick to the submitted resolution at hand. This resolution creates an international committee to create an international curriculum that addresses, 'the effects of sexual activity and related topics such as adoption and family planning.' I strongly object to a one size fits all approach, and I point out that the term 'family planning' is code for 'abortion.' That's why its often mentioned after adoption, a process that takes place after both conception and natural birth."

"Now, perhaps a little information on my nation is in order. I represent The Organic Vegan Commune of Frustrated Franciscans. I would like to propose an interesting argument; the purpose of sex is procreation just as the purpose of eating is digestion. Putting that in a different way, it would be impossible to create a one size fits everyone approach to the education of youth in terms of safe and healthy eating. Clearly, everyone knows if you eat too much of the wrong things you will get fat. But the curriculum for a nation of organic vegans is going to be vastly different from the curriculum for rabid pesticide raised meat eaters. That's why I've proposed curriculum guidelines as opposed to a specific curriculum."

"I believe my nation has the best resources to determine what should be taught to the children of my nation. I would always appreciate any information or material on the subject matter, but I strongly object to an enforced curriculum that doesn't take into account the socioeconomic conditions within my, or anyone's nation. I believe that is not in the best interest of the children."

"I think that we, as a congregation of sapient beings, are beyond viewing sex as purely for procreation. Many, if not most, species in the WA that have sex do so for pleasure in addition to procreation. Because, lets face it, sex is fun. Viewing sex as only a method of procreation is like treating cars as only a means of transportation, when we all know that there are huge numbers of people that use cars as a source of entertainment, both in their construction and collection.

"Unfortunately, there are many, many nations that would force that false distinction on their citizens with the intention of strong-arming strange morals on them. Stricter guidelines are necessary to prevent this sort of brainwashing."