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Re: [AT VOTE] Repeal "National Economic Freedoms"

Postby Coroscent » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:18 pm

Defwa wrote:
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This guy has made more sense in two posts than you all have in I daresay over a hundred. How do you feel now?

I know its hard but read to the end, dear


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Postby Defwa » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:19 pm

Coroscent wrote:
Defwa wrote:I know its hard but read to the end, dear


OOC: I was away from the keyboard for a while, because I have a life, unlike some people...

Umhm
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:22 pm

Defwa, please stop? I don't wish to be ungrateful to you defending my repeal, but this increasingly spammy exchange really isn't accomplishing anything. Just ignore them, and they'll go away.

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Re: [AT VOTE] Repeal "National Economic Freedoms"

Postby Coroscent » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:24 pm

Defwa wrote:
Coroscent wrote:
OOC: I was away from the keyboard for a while, because I have a life, unlike some people...

Umhm


OOC: Well, I notice you've been active literally all day, whereas I have actually had a busy day today so I have found it somewhat difficult to find time for arguing on this debate. Yet it still payed off didn't it? So when and what's the next General Assembly proposal then? I shall be debating well on that also!
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Re: [AT VOTE] Repeal "National Economic Freedoms"

Postby Coroscent » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:25 pm

The Dark Star Republic wrote:Defwa, please stop? I don't wish to be ungrateful to you defending my repeal, but this increasingly spammy exchange really isn't accomplishing anything. Just ignore them, and they'll go away.


Please don't rob me of a source of entertainment in these idiots.
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Postby Defwa » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:33 pm

The Dark Star Republic wrote:Defwa, please stop? I don't wish to be ungrateful to you defending my repeal, but this increasingly spammy exchange really isn't accomplishing anything. Just ignore them, and they'll go away.

For you, I will. My apologies. I do get caught up in overoptimistically hoping people will learn to understand or explain themselves.
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Re: [AT VOTE] Repeal "National Economic Freedoms"

Postby Coroscent » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:52 pm

Defwa wrote:
The Dark Star Republic wrote:Defwa, please stop? I don't wish to be ungrateful to you defending my repeal, but this increasingly spammy exchange really isn't accomplishing anything. Just ignore them, and they'll go away.

For you, I will. My apologies. I do get caught up in overoptimistically hoping people will learn to understand or explain themselves.


You are clearly not a teacher, otherwise you wouldn't be in this argument. And I don't think any students would exactly like you.
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Re: [AT VOTE] Repeal "National Economic Freedoms"

Postby Coroscent » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:56 pm

The Dark Star Republic wrote:Defwa, please stop? I don't wish to be ungrateful to you defending my repeal, but this increasingly spammy exchange really isn't accomplishing anything. Just ignore them, and they'll go away.


And actually the way I see it, this "spammy exchange" has achieved something as it has highlighted some of the WA's finest idiots (no surprise for what your comeback will be). And fortunately, it's the only thing this resolution will ever achieve.
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Re: [AT VOTE] Repeal "National Economic Freedoms"

Postby Coroscent » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:00 pm

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Dogeia wrote:Annoyingly, I am powerless. I only say that I am for the NEF, and nothing else.

That's a bad idea.
You may support the idea of NEF. Lots of us do- however the resolution itself failed. It must be replaced.


Look you're even having a go at this one just because he has a different opinion to you! I mean really!
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:18 pm

Please, I'm the one who has already been assaulted by some Deathrowan woman who has anger management issues in this chamber and I don't see her being penalised.

OOC: No, it was Janis that "assaulted" your ambassador. She has an anger management issue that can be summed in one word: sobriety. It's punishment enough. Lol.

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:25 pm

Coroscent wrote:Please don't rob me of a source of entertainment in these idiots.

I'm going to rob you of your ability to post if you don't stop it with the flaming comments. You're not posting in-character, you're just being mean for meanness sake.

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For those of you who were baiting in kind but didn't quite rise to the same level of vitriol, KNOCK IT OFF.

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[AT VOTE] Repeal "National Economic Freedoms"

Postby Coroscent » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:29 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Coroscent wrote:Please don't rob me of a source of entertainment in these idiots.

I'm going to rob you of your ability to post if you don't stop it with the flaming comments. You're not posting in-character, you're just being mean for meanness sake.

*** Warned for flaming ***

For those of you who were baiting in kind but didn't quite rise to the same level of vitriol, KNOCK IT OFF.


To be fair, I'm not being rude. And I'm arguing a valid opinion. To ban me for that would be mean I think. But hey you're the moderator.
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Postby Scavara » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:34 pm

*The delegate of Scavara having put up with this long enough muttered to several of his peers from the nations around him and then noting that this "Janis" appeared to be nothing more than a harass-able belligerent he sighed and addressed the Assembly members.*

"If only we could pass a resolution to repeal a certain delegate's ability to communicate I think this whole affair would be much more pleasant. However, it's patently obvious that this thing is soundly defeated. Unless in the next day the heavens open up and decree 'this too shall pass' I think we can start looking ahead to the next issue up for vote."
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Postby Mundiferrum » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:36 pm

Well, who knows what could happen in....*checks wristwatch* one day and four hours?
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[AT VOTE] Repeal "National Economic Freedoms"

Postby Coroscent » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:41 pm

Scavara wrote:*The delegate of Scavara having put up with this long enough muttered to several of his peers from the nations around him and then noting that this "Janis" appeared to be nothing more than a harass-able belligerent he sighed and addressed the Assembly members.*

"If only we could pass a resolution to repeal a certain delegate's ability to communicate I think this whole affair would be much more pleasant. However, it's patently obvious that this thing is soundly defeated. Unless in the next day the heavens open up and decree 'this too shall pass' I think we can start looking ahead to the next issue up for vote."


Yes, but wouldn't that defy the spirit of this organisation? It's all very well many member states ganging up on one helpless other, but I would hope to see just a bit of civilisation in this chamber! We are all here to work towards a better world and to improve it, one resolution at a time, but unfortunately, some resolutions just aren't right for the world community, and that is the job of us delegates; to decide by democracy what is right or not right for international law.

I think we all know that this resolution will be defeated. And that's a fact, which just so happens to be the one that I'm arguing for, so what's all the fuss?
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:12 pm

OOC: DSR, when you try this again, you should probably ask the mods to lock this one and have a fresh start on the new draft.
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:28 pm

Araraukar wrote:OOC: DSR, when you try this again, you should probably ask the mods to lock this one and have a fresh start on the new draft.

OOC: No shit...

I don't think I will try this again, though. NEF isn't an actively harmful resolution. Useless, and symbolic of the complete corrosion of the basic sense of the rules, sure, but it doesn't do any real harm by remaining on the books. Not in the way that Right to Divorce, or Promotion of Solar Panels, or Ban Chemical Weapons, or any of the other infamous horrors did. I saw this as little more than a procedural repeal, like Repeal "Required Basic Healthcare". I don't think it's worth spending the effort on.

More than that, Mousebumples is having a significant chilling effect on my desire to play the game. It would be folly to try any proposal while she plans on stacking against everything I write for reasons she still hasn't explained. Perhaps if I should "flatter" the great and noble region of Europeia, beacon of humanity's progress, she will allow me to play the game she has been chosen to moderate - I just can't remember reading that particular requirement for participation in "WA 101".
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:39 pm

The Dark Star Republic wrote:Perhaps if I should "flatter" the great and noble region of Europeia, beacon of humanity's progress, she will allow me to play the game she has been chosen to moderate - I just can't remember reading that particular requirement for participation in "WA 101".

OOC: Mm-mh, there's a reason why quite a few people (me included) think that mods probably shouldn't partake ingame politics with mod accounts... but meh. Anyway, you gave a good try on attempting to put all resolutions on the same line.
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Postby Chester Pearson » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:06 pm

The Dark Star Republic wrote:More than that, Mousebumples is having a significant chilling effect on my desire to play the game. It would be folly to try any proposal while she plans on stacking against everything I write for reasons she still hasn't explained. Perhaps if I should "flatter" the great and noble region of Europeia, beacon of humanity's progress, she will allow me to play the game she has been chosen to moderate - I just can't remember reading that particular requirement for participation in "WA 101".


Where exactly did Mouse state she is going to stack against you every time? I don't think Mouse's vote makes that big of a difference in the great scheme of things to be honest. After all she tends to vote against anything CD put up, and he is having a reasonable degree of success. You have to remember Mouse is about as NatSov as they come, and will vote against anything she feels is severely impinging upon her nations rights, or will hurt the NatSov agenda....

As for the resolution itself? NEF really isn't that bad. Sure it could technically be illegal as an ideological ban, preventing a state takeover of all enterprise (aka Stalin Soviet Union), but it really isn't that harmful.
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Postby Defwa » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:09 pm

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The Dark Star Republic wrote:More than that, Mousebumples is having a significant chilling effect on my desire to play the game. It would be folly to try any proposal while she plans on stacking against everything I write for reasons she still hasn't explained. Perhaps if I should "flatter" the great and noble region of Europeia, beacon of humanity's progress, she will allow me to play the game she has been chosen to moderate - I just can't remember reading that particular requirement for participation in "WA 101".


Where exactly did Mouse state she is going to stack against you every time? I don't think Mouse's vote makes that big of a difference in the great scheme of things to be honest. After all she tends to vote against anything CD put up, and he is having a reasonable degree of success. You have to remember Mouse is about as NatSov as they come, and will vote against anything she feels is severely impinging upon her nations rights, or will hurt the NatSov agenda....

As for the resolution itself? NEF really isn't that bad. Sure it could technically be illegal as an ideological ban, preventing a state takeover of all enterprise (aka Stalin Soviet Union), but it really isn't that harmful.

But her vote is worth- what, 188?
She voted against this repeal in the first 30 minutes and tripled the number of votes by herself. It definitely didn't help the early lemmings.
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Postby Chester Pearson » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:16 pm

Defwa wrote:
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Where exactly did Mouse state she is going to stack against you every time? I don't think Mouse's vote makes that big of a difference in the great scheme of things to be honest. After all she tends to vote against anything CD put up, and he is having a reasonable degree of success. You have to remember Mouse is about as NatSov as they come, and will vote against anything she feels is severely impinging upon her nations rights, or will hurt the NatSov agenda....

As for the resolution itself? NEF really isn't that bad. Sure it could technically be illegal as an ideological ban, preventing a state takeover of all enterprise (aka Stalin Soviet Union), but it really isn't that harmful.

But her vote is worth- what, 188?
She voted against this repeal in the first 30 minutes and tripled the number of votes by herself. It definitely didn't help the early lemmings.


Unicorn did not vote on it though, and he possesses close to 500, which could have swung the tide. It is a simple fact that most of the big delegates, with the exception of Thomas are pro NatSov....
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Re: [AT VOTE] Repeal "National Economic Freedoms"

Postby Coroscent » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:34 pm

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Araraukar wrote:OOC: DSR, when you try this again, you should probably ask the mods to lock this one and have a fresh start on the new draft.

OOC: No shit...

I don't think I will try this again, though. NEF isn't an actively harmful resolution. Useless, and symbolic of the complete corrosion of the basic sense of the rules, sure, but it doesn't do any real harm by remaining on the books.


Basically my point this whole entire time.
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Re: [AT VOTE] Repeal "National Economic Freedoms"

Postby Coroscent » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:36 pm

Presuming "NatSov" means "national Sovereignty" then that's what I'm for. Which is why I voted against this resolution.
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Re: [AT VOTE] Repeal "National Economic Freedoms"

Postby Coroscent » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:40 pm

Chester Pearson wrote:
The Dark Star Republic wrote:More than that, Mousebumples is having a significant chilling effect on my desire to play the game. It would be folly to try any proposal while she plans on stacking against everything I write for reasons she still hasn't explained. Perhaps if I should "flatter" the great and noble region of Europeia, beacon of humanity's progress, she will allow me to play the game she has been chosen to moderate - I just can't remember reading that particular requirement for participation in "WA 101".


As for the resolution itself? NEF really isn't that bad. Sure it could technically be illegal as an ideological ban, preventing a state takeover of all enterprise (aka Stalin Soviet Union), but it really isn't that harmful.


Agreed. NEF isn't bad at all. Hence why I voted against this resolution. And you're right about the ideological ban, as like I said before, NEF prevents a more free market economy.
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Re: [AT VOTE] Repeal "National Economic Freedoms"

Postby Coroscent » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:43 pm

Chester Pearson wrote:
The Dark Star Republic wrote:More than that, Mousebumples is having a significant chilling effect on my desire to play the game. It would be folly to try any proposal while she plans on stacking against everything I write for reasons she still hasn't explained. Perhaps if I should "flatter" the great and noble region of Europeia, beacon of humanity's progress, she will allow me to play the game she has been chosen to moderate - I just can't remember reading that particular requirement for participation in "WA 101".


Where exactly did Mouse state she is going to stack against you every time? I don't think Mouse's vote makes that big of a difference in the great scheme of things to be honest. After all she tends to vote against anything CD put up, and he is having a reasonable degree of success. You have to remember Mouse is about as NatSov as they come, and will vote against anything she feels is severely impinging upon her nations rights, or will hurt the NatSov agenda....


I'd second Mouse's opinions.
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