[BACK AGAIN] Education Enhancement Act

[Chester Pearson]

Why should the International Community give a rats ass about this? Seems like a national issue to me at best....

[New Charlzilla]

Why should the International Community give a rats ass about this? Seems like a national issue to me at best....

Well, everything IN GA can be seen as either an international issue or a national issue, do you not agree with me? You are probably a NatSov. I'm an IntFed.

[Elke and Elba]

Why should the International Community give a rats ass about this? Seems like a national issue to me at best....

Well, everything IN GA can be seen as either an international issue or a national issue, do you not agree with me? You are probably a NatSov. I'm an IntFed.

I don't agree with Chester, but I don't agree with the act itself. Given that WA is essentially a tech flux point (with nations RPing MT, PMT or FT or whatever), technology may not be readily available in some of these tech or not existent at all.

The lack of thought into the differing systems that exist in NS, and the insistence on implementing such a policy is quite shocking indeed.

[New Charlzilla]

Well, everything IN GA can be seen as either an international issue or a national issue, do you not agree with me? You are probably a NatSov. I'm an IntFed.

I don't agree with Chester, but I don't agree with the act itself. Given that WA is essentially a tech flux point (with nations RPing MT, PMT or FT or whatever), technology may not be readily available in some of these tech or not existent at all.

The lack of thought into the differing systems that exist in NS, and the insistence on implementing such a policy is quite shocking indeed.

Thanks for your comments However, what do these terms mean? Sry, I'm quite a noob

Terms in question:
tech flux
MT
PMT
FT

[The Dark Star Republic]

OOC: They refer to "tech levels": Modern Tech, Post Modern Tech, Future Tech. Sometimes "Modern Tech + 1", "Past Tech", "Fantasy Tech", and others, are also used.

Essentially, it's how you RP your nation. Do your armed forces have tanks and planes, or railguns and superdreadnoughts, or starfighters and ion cannons (or muskets and flintlock pistols, or, in the case of Glog, stone spears)?

Some people are insistent that the WA have to cater to nations at different "tech levels".

[Elke and Elba]

OOC: They refer to "tech levels": Modern Tech, Post Modern Tech, Future Tech. Sometimes "Modern Tech + 1", "Past Tech", "Fantasy Tech", and others, are also used.

Essentially, it's how you RP your nation. Do your armed forces have tanks and planes, or railguns and superdreadnoughts, or starfighters and ion cannons (or muskets and flintlock pistols, or, in the case of Glog, stone spears)?

Some people are insistent that the WA have to cater to nations at different "tech levels".

OOC: I'm not insistent - but well, the whole game is about RPing, no...? As far as I'd like technology forced in education - I don't really want other nations to catch up with our education levels. Not to mention people who would like to live life the Flintstones' way.

[The Dark Star Republic]

OOC: They refer to "tech levels": Modern Tech, Post Modern Tech, Future Tech. Sometimes "Modern Tech + 1", "Past Tech", "Fantasy Tech", and others, are also used.

Essentially, it's how you RP your nation. Do your armed forces have tanks and planes, or railguns and superdreadnoughts, or starfighters and ion cannons (or muskets and flintlock pistols, or, in the case of Glog, stone spears)?

Some people are insistent that the WA have to cater to nations at different "tech levels".

OOC: I'm not insistent - but well, the whole game is about RPing, no...? As far as I'd like technology forced in education - I don't really want other nations to catch up with our education levels. :P Not to mention people who would like to live life the Flintstones' way. ;)

OOC: I won't hijack this thread, but briefly, while I accept we shouldn't force RP conceptions on people or ban people from playing a certain way, I think some people take things way too far, and it's a shame when good legislation gets shot down.

To make it relevant to this proposal, though, I'm not sure I see the problem. The loose definition of technology here actually makes it more appropriate, given the "state of flux" you contend exists (though in fact, the vast majority of WA resolutions are written with MT in mind). If it were specifically talking about computers and phones, I'd agree, but as it stands, a PT nation including steam mechanics in their curriculum and an FT nation investing in quantum transporter technology education subsidies both seem to be in compliance. So, I actually don't see a tech level problem.

[Point Breeze]

OOC: I'm not insistent - but well, the whole game is about RPing, no...? As far as I'd like technology forced in education - I don't really want other nations to catch up with our education levels. Not to mention people who would like to live life the Flintstones' way.

OOC: I won't hijack this thread, but briefly, while I accept we shouldn't force RP conceptions on people or ban people from playing a certain way, I think some people take things way too far, and it's a shame when good legislation gets shot down.

To make it relevant to this proposal, though, I'm not sure I see the problem. The loose definition of technology here actually makes it more appropriate, given the "state of flux" you contend exists (though in fact, the vast majority of WA resolutions are written with MT in mind). If it were specifically talking about computers and phones, I'd agree, but as it stands, a PT nation including steam mechanics in their curriculum and an FT nation investing in quantum transporter technology education subsidies both seem to be in compliance. So, I actually don't see a tech level problem.

OOC: I agree, I think the definition of "technology" used here is very inclusive, and can be applied across all the tech levels.

[New Charlzilla]

To make it relevant to this proposal, though, I'm not sure I see the problem. The loose definition of technology here actually makes it more appropriate, given the "state of flux" you contend exists (though in fact, the vast majority of WA resolutions are written with MT in mind). If it were specifically talking about computers and phones, I'd agree, but as it stands, a PT nation including steam mechanics in their curriculum and an FT nation investing in quantum transporter technology education subsidies both seem to be in compliance. So, I actually don't see a tech level problem.

OOC: I agree, I think the definition of "technology" used here is very inclusive, and can be applied across all the tech levels.

I assume both of you are talking about the definition I stated in my poll, yes?

[Point Breeze]

To make it relevant to this proposal, though, I'm not sure I see the problem. The loose definition of technology here actually makes it more appropriate, given the "state of flux" you contend exists (though in fact, the vast majority of WA resolutions are written with MT in mind). If it were specifically talking about computers and phones, I'd agree, but as it stands, a PT nation including steam mechanics in their curriculum and an FT nation investing in quantum transporter technology education subsidies both seem to be in compliance. So, I actually don't see a tech level problem.

OOC: I agree, I think the definition of "technology" used here is very inclusive, and can be applied across all the tech levels.

I assume both of you are talking about the definition I stated in my poll, yes?

To be honest, I think the resolution is fine without a definition (I incorrectly assumed there was one in the draft already). I also think the definition in the poll would work as well, minus the "whatever the culture's level of development."

[Moronist Decisions]

FTR: I don't see this as something to be mandated at the international level.

[New Charlzilla]

FTR: I don't see this as something to be mandated at the international level.

Well you're called 'Moronist Decisions' sooo....

[New Charlzilla]

I assume both of you are talking about the definition I stated in my poll, yes?

To be honest, I think the resolution is fine without a definition (I incorrectly assumed there was one in the draft already). I also think the definition in the poll would work as well, minus the "whatever the culture's level of development."

Yep, I'm gonna go ahead with the definition in the poll, minus the part you mentioned. The draft's already been edited.

[Elke and Elba]

FTR: I don't see this as something to be mandated at the international level.

Well you're called 'Moronist Decisions' sooo....

I clap for you for offending a delegate which has 154 votes at his will... (You can think either way you want to)

But no. I still don't see why the hell you need to add Technology to Education, no matter what. Education fits the purpose and needs of each country.

OOC: And to emphasise it, I suggest you read "A Prairie Home, Abandoned" on NYT. The mother didn't know how to sew and yet was able to make stuff that she wouldn't need like Madeira cakes despite not having an oven (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/magaz ... .html?_r=0)

The point is, why fix it? I could foresee people in Flintstone-land learning how to operate a Spinning Jenny when probably the most important thing for them is to learn how to cook. Because of this silly act.

[Point Breeze]

Well you're called 'Moronist Decisions' sooo....

I clap for you for offending a delegate which has 154 votes at his will... (You can think either way you want to)

But no. I still don't see why the hell you need to add Technology to Education, no matter what. Education fits the purpose and needs of each country.

OOC: And to emphasise it, I suggest you read "A Prairie Home, Abandoned" on NYT. The mother didn't know how to sew and yet was able to make stuff that she wouldn't need like Madeira cakes despite not having an oven (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/magaz ... .html?_r=0)

The point is, why fix it? I could foresee people in Flintstone-land learning how to operate a Spinning Jenny when probably the most important thing for them is to learn how to cook. Because of this silly act.

OOC: You're right, primitive cultures should be left to wallow in their stupidity, banging rocks together while the rest of us explore space. Good idea.

In all seriousness, this proposal is fluid enough to apply reasonably to all tech levels. It's not going to give electricity to cavemen, or FTL travel to 1930's Britain. It allows each nation to decide (OOC: RP-wise) how far they want their nations to advance technologically. It's not going to force players to advance to the next tech level.

[New Charlzilla]

I clap for you for offending a delegate which has 154 votes at his will... (You can think either way you want to)

I don't care who he is. I treat everybody equally. And I'm merely having a little chuckle at his name.

[Chester Pearson]

I clap for you for offending a delegate which has 154 votes at his will... (You can think either way you want to)

I don't care who he is. I treat everybody equally. And I'm merely having a little chuckle at his name.

Offend enough big delegates and your proposal is sunk out of the gates.... If you don't believe me, just ask the Ambassador from New Molsona....

[Point Breeze]

I don't care who he is. I treat everybody equally. And I'm merely having a little chuckle at his name.

Offend enough big delegates and your proposal is sunk out of the gates.... If you don't believe me, just ask the Ambassador from New Molsona....

There were many problems with NM's proposal, his attitude being the chief one, IMHO.

[Chester Pearson]

Offend enough big delegates and your proposal is sunk out of the gates.... If you don't believe me, just ask the Ambassador from New Molsona....

his attitude being the chief one, IMHO.

Exactly my point.... And if I may be so blunt? Did you not receive a ban after being told multiple times to cool it? Seems an awful like a pot and kettle situation if you ask me....

[Point Breeze]

his attitude being the chief one, IMHO.

Exactly my point.... And if I may be so blunt? Did you not receive a ban after being told multiple times to cool it? Seems an awful like a pot and kettle situation if you ask me....

You might be mistaken - I was never banned as a result of actions in that discussion.

[Chester Pearson]

Exactly my point.... And if I may be so blunt? Did you not receive a ban after being told multiple times to cool it? Seems an awful like a pot and kettle situation if you ask me....

You might be mistaken - I was never banned as a result of actions in that discussion.

My apologies, that was directed at Charlzilla....

[New Charlzilla]

You might be mistaken - I was never banned as a result of actions in that discussion.

My apologies, that was directed at Charlzilla....

Then you should have made yourself clearer. He was the one who last posted and you even quoted him, so it's obvious that he would think that it was directed at him.

Anyways, the ban was for a totally different reason. It was for spamming not for offending anyone. And as I see it, I didn't offend anyone here. I merely listed a fact.

[Separatist Peoples]

FTR: I don't see this as something to be mandated at the international level.

Well you're called 'Moronist Decisions' sooo....

Praytell, why is this an international issue then? So far, you seem to offer snark to those who disagree with you without offering substance to back your claim up.

[Point Breeze]

Well you're called 'Moronist Decisions' sooo....

Praytell, why is this an international issue then? So far, you seem to offer snark to those who disagree with you without offering substance to back your claim up.

If I may,

I believe this to be an international issue because the World Assembly has previously taken a stance on issues that can reasonably be decided on a national level, but can be made more inclusive, more powerfully, and generally benefiting more people if decided at the international level. I believe this to be one of those issues. This is, of course, an opinion, and the WA will either accept it or reject it should this come to a vote.

[New Charlzilla]

Praytell, why is this an international issue then? So far, you seem to offer snark to those who disagree with you without offering substance to back your claim up.

If I may,

I believe this to be an international issue because the World Assembly has previously taken a stance on issues that can reasonably be decided on a national level, but can be made more inclusive, more powerfully, and generally benefiting more people if decided at the international level. I believe this to be one of those issues. This is, of course, an opinion, and the WA will either accept it or reject it should this come to a vote.

YES! Exactly what I feel.