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The Dark Star Republic
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Dark Star Republic » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:14 am

The Oan Isles wrote:And another thing, I can see the Almighty Repealers (Aforess, Sky Dip

Neither of whom have passed a GA repeal, ever. Not particularly Almighty.

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Postby Defwa » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:13 am

The Oan Isles wrote:
Bears Armed Mission wrote:It requires that every member nation have and follow fair rules on this topic, whilst leaving each nation to decide what those rules actually are for themselves to suit their own circumstances & traditions instead of trying to impose some kind of one-size-fits-all rules right across the WA's membership... What more do you want?
I'm sorry I did sound rather rude. Tackling legal competence in individual situations, such as abortion or adoption would work better. Like you said, there wasn't enough character space to trully cover the scope of "legal competence". Smaller steps and pieces of legislation would work better. And another thing, I can see the Almighty Repealers (Aforess, Sky Dip, The Dourian Embassy etc.) removing this one (if it passes) a few months from now.

The uniform application of legal competence does not preclude your ability to dole out services such as adoption and abortion based on other criteria.
This resolution uses certain rights as examples for how legal competence can be determined but it does not guarantee those rights for all time and without reservation.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:49 am

Bears Armed Mission wrote:
Frustrated Franciscans wrote:we are sure that the majority of the members of Gatesville Inc would like to see this resolution go back to the pit of hell from where it was spawned
Despite the 'blocker' aspect? I hope that they read clause #4, and see how much potential WA micro-management that would prevent, before they vote...
Amongst Gatesville Inc residents, voting is currently 2-11 (84% Against).

I think the idea of blockers is not common among some of my region's WA members. I think their attitude toward WA legislation is more along the lines of "Hulk Smash!"
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The Dark Star Republic
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:42 pm

Frustrated Franciscans wrote:I think the idea of blockers is not common among some of my region's WA members.

That's my memory of Gatesville, certainly. They wouldn't vote for blockers, and you quite often see their approval on repeals of Nuclear Arms Possession Act arguing that all nuclear weapons should be banned!

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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed Mission » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:41 am

Voting has another 11 hours left to run, but unfortunately I'll have to be away from NS from just a few minutes time after now after that voting period ends. I'd be grateful if somebody would copy the lists of delegate votes as close to the finish as possible and post them here.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Mundiferrum » Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:16 am

Bears Armed Mission wrote:Voting has another 11 hours left to run, but unfortunately I'll have to be away from NS from just a few minutes time after now after that voting period ends. I'd be grateful if somebody would copy the lists of delegate votes as close to the finish as possible and post them here.

You keep doing that. Why do you keep doing that?

EDIT: I'm referring to the you always being away from NS a few hours before this thing, not the asking for delegates.
Here's my latest:
Votes For: 6,855: HMS Unicorn (465), Benevolent Thomas (285), Kringalia (232), Krulltopia (226), Ramaeus (215), Jenesia (151), De La Malvarma (94), Amerion (88), North East Somerset (87), The Salaxalans (74), Xin Prussia (71), Elke and Elba (66), Terlibe (62), The Black Hat Guy (59), Avaerilon (50), Parkplace (48), Republic of South Carolina (43), NewTexas (38), Hydroponic Nation (35), Keronika (32), Servoth (30), Auhl (25), Namor (24), Hicdarr (23), BearNation (22), The Eternal Kawaii (22), Asquithania (20), Skydiveria (20), Dawinia (19), Atlantica (19), Neo Dragon (19), Kedalistan (19), The Ancient World (18), Tabcorp Park (17), Tulija (15), The Star of Jorj (14), Hai Jin Lao (14), The United Remnants of America (14), Christian Isles (13), Frenequesta (13), Rhodevus (12), Unified States of Earth (12), XScLs_FreeLand (12), Kiribati-Tarawa (12), Allied States of Demokratia (11), Bears Armed Mission (11), Le Cruise (10), King Rankmore (10), CrestedPeak9 (10), Merizoc (10), Lamoni (10), United Peoples Republic of Lewisham (9), Yulis (9), Jydara (9), Killadonia (9), Voga (9), Great Argonia (9), Theoniatium (9), Nucoclan (8), Salah Jadid (8), Father motherland (8), The Democratic Nation of Unovia (8), Madrocea (8), Wesland (8), Ainocra (8), Bad-Assistan (8), The Derrak Quadrant (8), Conwy-shire (7), Experia (7), Iaidoren (7), Karsopolis (7), Benaras (6), Ballarswag (6), Steel Union (6), Otaku Stratus (6), Velburg (6), Xanoris (6), Tiago Silva (6), North Campbell Nation (6), TrekWars (6), Star IV (6), BoltonLand (6), Pidgin (6), 4years (6), Ism (6), Bogans and Boozers (6), Stormblade (6), The 500 (6), The Eastern Antarctic State (6), Legua (6), Mallandia (5), Kindjal (5), Rzeczpospolita Krakowska (5), Maoist People (5), The Akasha Colony (5), Kavin Pi (5), The Gildan Republic (5), New Hayesalia (5), Calbisha (5), Yermaney (5), Socialist Federative Republic of Sornia (5), Freedom Landia (5), Mithalandria (5), East Klent (5), Tolmekkia (5), Western Mars (5), Three Weasels (5), Lestanbul (5), Grey Gragas (5), Brunelian BG advocates (5), Scansinia Reich (5), Malizien (5), Kingdom of Nikolajopolis (5), Bone Fort (5), Jnania (5), Eastern Equestria (4), Reylinor (4), The Crocutine Falklands (4), DarthStassen (4), Timmy City (4), Free Terra (4), Skyefall (4), Emerald Cit-ay (4), Crisisies (4), West Angola (4), Confederacy of the American South (4), Pennswald (4), Chaego (4), Shahak (4), Aeuria (4), Mugratopia (4), Aligned Planets (4), Melanocytes (4), Gold Peteria (4), Vanic Topia (4), TheJag17empire (4), Trotskya (4), Langor Empire (4), The Sovietyeto (4), Yaluria (4), Laurentus States (4), Larkspurge (4), Sklavinia (4), Skallen (4), Zeetville (4), Correctional Facility (4), Gramsterdam (4), Lernerland (4), Manchovia (4), Centenniality (4), Valorono (4), The Great Britannic States (3), Haflin (3), Neo Industrium (3), Criliana (3), Vallfonahasgar (3), Tarazed (3), Vulcanlandia (3), Chestation (3), Malo Balo (3), -Hellkite- (3), Nova Doria (3), Ahrana (3), The Dark Bones (3), Gaiah (3), Edward Richtofen (3), Kalix (3), RedMrexland (3), United Dependencies (3), Intergalactic Federation of Systems (3), Pyrosky (3), Pepper Island Democratica Freeland Papri (3), New Azura (3), Laysley (3), Luchdearg (3), Caterasia (3), Norada (3), Spykeny (3), Byritannia (3), Vasputia (3), Community of free peoples (3), Karotlund (3), Demoberia (3), Lollerland (3), Azgul (3), Frigidopia (3), Hellcat Nation (3), The Zealots of Mercy (3), Drakmah (3), The South West Commonwealth (3), The American Hegemony (3), Rigg Sessamin (3), Pmea (3), Redentro (3), Ventei (3), Carthagistan (3), Daukulis Country (3), Lusogaelicia (3), Mijaroe (3), Buckingham Green (3), Little Tralfamadore (3), Nervbraiain (3), Kasinox (3), Taslantis (2), Lacmhacarh (2), Vanolia (2), SithNation (2), New Summer (2), Verbarscyphophori (2), Saratoga States (2), Selenaqui (2), Watertopia (2), Francastan (2), Kingsley Bedford (2), Nagnarok (2), Sneaky Bastards (2), Wolfhawk (2), Novaya Zelandiya (2), Hericropolis (2), Paledonn (2), The Frost Republic (2), The New Age Republic (2), Crogoah (2), Nawira (2), The United Unions (2), Chocolate Dinosaur (2), Biukistan (2), Radole (2), Smurfey (2), The United Federation of Galaxies (2), Yaldoga and Gerun (2), Poca Terra (2), Orold (2), Clone bay 43 (2), Thryn (2), Ebonhart (2), Steven Colbert (2), The Imperial Spatial Hispanic Federation (2), Helghast Sovereignty (2), Remes (2), Basilis (2), Muzztopia (2), Pewor (2), Val-Verde (2), Transcendonia (2), Luovia Ihmisia (2), The Federal Republic of Provinces (2), Demardia (2), Northern Socialist States (2), Inventio (2), Setyas (2), Remondo (2), The Water Supply (2), Smiley Bob (2), Ruridova (2), Blegutia (2), Northern Thermonia (2), White Noise (2), Illusionist (2), Palafox (2), Krawdadsky (2), The Predator Federation (2), Russia and Finland (2), Exeperia (2), Crystal Spires (2), -Alpine- (2), Kingdom of Derita (2), Manick (2), Tasty Water (2), Balnkit (2), Korskha (2), Natornic Cultures (2), The Imperium Collectives (2), Conzi (2), Astraesel (2), Northvale (2), Organized States (2), Multiple Bounty (2), Hallensbane (2), Probaptical (2), Etoile Arcture (2), Warrior Tribes Of The Red Sun (2), Araluen and Eyreland (2), Publica Ferrum (2), Earthbound immortal squad (2), Jack O Land (2), Garop (2), St Ville (2), Zorbae (2), Eastern Arcturus (2), Serikali kutisha (2), Speroland (2), Cosmic Explosion (2), Voguesphere (2), Georgiaa (2), Controlitia WA (2), Fortiland (2), Alpha Empire (2), Renatum (2), Loveridge (2), Adis Abyssinia (2), UED Rebels (2), Wattlebeardia and the Excellent Bloomers (2), Land of bloot (2), Daltons Viking Based Land (2), Corbainia (2), Genesis Fifteen (2), The UCOA (2), and (3,022) individual WA member nations.

Votes Against: 2,246: All Good People (211), Mousebumples (131), Unibot III (125), Acario (101), Detective Figs (77), Duck-Boss (41), Noctaurus (35), Albarusija (26), Kushkanisa (26), Dubnia (25), Amiria (20), NeuPolska (18), The Afanisian Isles (18), Ahntong (18), CDland (16), Bolkania (16), Poretos (14), The Voltarum (14), Christian Democrats (13), Chemung (13), Sparta12 (13), Brasir (12), REVOLUTION X (11), Robert Hawkins (11), Aawia (10), Bloodstone Kay (9), Taeji (8), Smogge (8), Zarystok (7), Magikarp Kingdom (7), The Shadow Commune (7), Vertmont (7), The Gregorach (7), Democratic Siberia (7), BURGLOR (7), Russian Fedration (6), The SAPPHIROS Islands (5), Dennizona (5), Merpf (4), New New Capston (4), Austria-Norway (4), Akin Trade Federations (4), Kaiseropolis (4), Gigaverse (4), The Inner Rim (4), Kleinekatzen (4), Galadhion (4), The empire of north (4), Sergeantia (4), Armageddonland (4), Glovia (3), Northern Union of Lenton (3), Mister X (3), Gingray (3), Endus (3), Apothic Prime (3), Gandalia (3), Evil Grantica (3), Tatooene (3), Sauvage (3), Dirt Roads (3), Jingdood (3), Hereneva Socialist State (3), Bingotonia (3), Templareroeras (3), Dagnia (3), Kakurine (3), Maltropia (3), Lygonia (3), The Greater States of Racoonia (2), Gibsonville2 (2), Herculland (2), Puerto Tyranus (2), DEC-LAND (2), Slushia (2), Honeybadgerland Army (2), The Communist Collective of Galen (2), Spirit of Hope (2), Zalxus (2), Umbramoor (2), GraySoap (2), Adeiatic (2), The United Realms Of Lords and Paradox (2), Ob45 (2), Iron Dog (2), Donkervader (2), Slevvania (2), Luca (2), Democratic Republic of Wyvernham (2), Jappa (2), North Warrensil (2), Dommettopia (2), Isolaria (2), Lorethia (2), DanTecya (2), Kharkov (2), Vupaguun (2), Krankor (2), Confederacy of Bavarian States (2), Billfania (2), and (974) individual WA member nations.
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:38 am

Mundiferrum wrote:
Bears Armed Mission wrote:Voting has another 11 hours left to run, but unfortunately I'll have to be away from NS from just a few minutes time after now after that voting period ends. I'd be grateful if somebody would copy the lists of delegate votes as close to the finish as possible and post them here.

You keep doing that. Why do you keep doing that?

EDIT: I'm referring to the you always being away from NS a few hours before this thing, not the asking for delegates.

Some people do have lives outside of NS.

I might give it a try one day.
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Postby Defwa » Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:54 am

The Dark Star Republic wrote:
Mundiferrum wrote:You keep doing that. Why do you keep doing that?

EDIT: I'm referring to the you always being away from NS a few hours before this thing, not the asking for delegates.

Some people do have lives outside of NS.

I might give it a try one day.
OOC: But with smart phones, I don't think that constitutes a valid excuse
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:19 pm

Defwa wrote:OOC: But with smart phones, I don't think that constitutes a valid excuse

OOC: Not everyone has one, nor should anyone feel pressured to log onto NS with theirs even if they had one. Heck, I have to sometimes "vanish" for a week, because real life doesn't leave me any intellectual capacity over to spend on NS.
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Postby Shaktirajya » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:54 pm

We, the Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya, vote against this proposal on the grounds that some member states may have straightforward decentralized organic legal systems without need of codifying what constitutes legal competence. That said, we find the section on guaranteeing a process of appeal for those citizens denied 'legal competence' by their respective states to be upright and moral and we would vote for this per se should such a proposal be drafted in the future.

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Postby Texan Hotrodders » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:32 pm

Shaktirajya wrote:We, the Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya, vote against this proposal on the grounds that some member states may have straightforward decentralized organic legal systems without need of codifying what constitutes legal competence. That said, we find the section on guaranteeing a process of appeal for those citizens denied 'legal competence' by their respective states to be upright and moral and we would vote for this per se should such a proposal be drafted in the future.

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Namaste, Esteemed Ambassador Vaktrihi Rajarajeshwaaryaaha Hypatyaaha Sophyaaha Netrihi Svasrtvasya Matrurajyasya Shaktirajyasya of the Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya.

Because we in the Federation indeed have what you have so ably described as a set of "straightforward decentralized organic legal systems without need of codifying what constitutes legal competence", I must also voice my concern that this is a direct attack on such systems of government and the right to self-determination of those nations who maintain such systems of government.

Why does the World Assembly always assume that all nations need to look more like the paternalistic whiner nations who spend much of their time worrying about whether or not everyone else is living down to their mediocre moral standards?

I appreciate that the author of the resolution thought to at least minimally respect the capacities of its member states for formulating the more specific policies to be implemented in accomplishing the aims of the resolution, specifically in determining their own national standards for legal competence. We will be forced to use that discretion to define legal competence so broadly that it becomes a serious problem in some parts of the Federation in which legal competence is defined quite strictly for legitimate physiological reasons.

As always, my duty is to represent the will of the people of the Federation in the World Assembly and I have cast our nation's vote AGAINST the resolution in accord with the opinions of the slightly larger and more outraged portion of our population which actually cares about the World Assembly currently.

We held a nationwide referendum as we always do for major policy decisions which affect the entire nation. We invited every resident of voting age to attend, set up polling stations all over the place, set up polling websites for those who cannot physically attend, and provided information on non-WA anarcho-socialist nations to which they could immigrate to all those who chose to exercise their voting rights (by way of a generous donation from a group of travel agencies).

After tallying the votes, we found that the 2.6% of our population which bothered to vote has chosen by an overwhelming majority (98.9%) to vote AGAINST the proposed resolution. Some who voted against wondered aloud, "Why is an organization that specializes in incompetence meddling in how we define competence?"

Best of luck to the author in their future legislative endeavors.

Thank you for your time and consideration,

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Postby Defwa » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:01 pm

The Flood wrote:"This cannot be allowed to pass, for it uses the false assumption that those who oppose the regime of the Flood are not objectively incompetent!"

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Democratic Socialists

Postby Mundiferrum » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:41 pm

Super-mega update for the bears:
Votes For: 7,135: HMS Unicorn (465), Benevolent Thomas (285), Kringalia (232), Krulltopia (226), Ramaeus (215), Jenesia (151), De La Malvarma (94), Amerion (88), North East Somerset (87), The Salaxalans (74), Xin Prussia (71), Elke and Elba (66), Terlibe (62), The Black Hat Guy (59), Avaerilon (50), Parkplace (48), Republic of South Carolina (43), NewTexas (38), Sintroa (36), Hydroponic Nation (35), Keronika (32), Servoth (30), Augustus Telcontar (28), Albrook (25), Auhl (25), Namor (24), Hicdarr (23), BearNation (22), The Eternal Kawaii (22), Asquithania (20), Skydiveria (20), Dawinia (19), Atlantica (19), Neo Dragon (19), Kedalistan (19), The Ancient World (18), Tabcorp Park (17), Tulija (15), The Star of Jorj (14), Hai Jin Lao (14), The United Remnants of America (14), Christian Isles (13), Frenequesta (13), Alexiandra (13), Ransium (13), Rhodevus (12), Unified States of Earth (12), XScLs_FreeLand (12), Kiribati-Tarawa (12), Allied States of Demokratia (11), Bears Armed Mission (11), Le Cruise (10), King Rankmore (10), CrestedPeak9 (10), Merizoc (10), Lamoni (10), United Peoples Republic of Lewisham (9), Yulis (9), Jydara (9), Killadonia (9), Voga (9), Great Argonia (9), Theoniatium (9), Nucoclan (8), Salah Jadid (8), Father motherland (8), The Democratic Nation of Unovia (8), Madrocea (8), Wesland (8), Ainocra (8), Bad-Assistan (8), The Derrak Quadrant (8), Conwy-shire (7), Experia (7), Iaidoren (7), Karsopolis (7), Benaras (6), Ballarswag (6), Steel Union (6), Otaku Stratus (6), Velburg (6), Xanoris (6), Tiago Silva (6), North Campbell Nation (6), TrekWars (6), Star IV (6), BoltonLand (6), Pidgin (6), 4years (6), Ism (6), Bogans and Boozers (6), Stormblade (6), The 500 (6), The Eastern Antarctic State (6), Legua (6), Shemiki (6), Mallandia (5), Kindjal (5), Rzeczpospolita Krakowska (5), Maoist People (5), The Akasha Colony (5), Kavin Pi (5), The Gildan Republic (5), New Hayesalia (5), Calbisha (5), Yermaney (5), Socialist Federative Republic of Sornia (5), Freedom Landia (5), Mithalandria (5), East Klent (5), Tolmekkia (5), Western Mars (5), Three Weasels (5), Lestanbul (5), The Prima Nova Illuminate (5), Grey Gragas (5), Brunelian BG advocates (5), Scansinia Reich (5), Malizien (5), Kingdom of Nikolajopolis (5), Bone Fort (5), Jnania (5), Eastern Equestria (4), Reylinor (4), The Crocutine Falklands (4), DarthStassen (4), Timmy City (4), Free Terra (4), Skyefall (4), Emerald Cit-ay (4), Robellia (4), Crisisies (4), West Angola (4), Confederacy of the American South (4), Pennswald (4), Chaego (4), Shahak (4), Aeuria (4), Mugratopia (4), Aligned Planets (4), Melanocytes (4), Gold Peteria (4), Vanic Topia (4), TheJag17empire (4), Trotskya (4), Langor Empire (4), The Sovietyeto (4), Yaluria (4), Laurentus States (4), Larkspurge (4), Sklavinia (4), Skallen (4), Zeetville (4), Correctional Facility (4), Gramsterdam (4), Lernerland (4), Manchovia (4), Centenniality (4), Valorono (4), The Great Britannic States (3), Haflin (3), Neo Industrium (3), Criliana (3), Vallfonahasgar (3), Tarazed (3), Vulcanlandia (3), Chestation (3), Malo Balo (3), -Hellkite- (3), Nova Doria (3), Ahrana (3), The Dark Bones (3), Gaiah (3), Edward Richtofen (3), Kalix (3), RedMrexland (3), United Dependencies (3), Intergalactic Federation of Systems (3), Pyrosky (3), Pepper Island Democratica Freeland Papri (3), New Azura (3), Laysley (3), Luchdearg (3), Caterasia (3), Norada (3), Spykeny (3), Byritannia (3), Vasputia (3), Community of free peoples (3), Karotlund (3), Demoberia (3), Lollerland (3), Azgul (3), Frigidopia (3), Hellcat Nation (3), The Zealots of Mercy (3), Drakmah (3), The South West Commonwealth (3), The American Hegemony (3), Rigg Sessamin (3), Beldia (3), Yolo Swag 420 Blazn (3), Pmea (3), Redentro (3), Ventei (3), Carthagistan (3), Daukulis Country (3), Lusogaelicia (3), Mijaroe (3), Buckingham Green (3), Little Tralfamadore (3), Nervbraiain (3), Kasinox (3), Taslantis (2), Lordaeronn (2), Lacmhacarh (2), Vanolia (2), SithNation (2), New Summer (2), Verbarscyphophori (2), Saratoga States (2), Selenaqui (2), Watertopia (2), Francastan (2), Kingsley Bedford (2), Nagnarok (2), Sneaky Bastards (2), Wolfhawk (2), Novaya Zelandiya (2), Hericropolis (2), Paledonn (2), The Frost Republic (2), The New Age Republic (2), Crogoah (2), Nawira (2), The United Unions (2), Chocolate Dinosaur (2), Biukistan (2), Radole (2), Smurfey (2), The United Federation of Galaxies (2), Yaldoga and Gerun (2), Poca Terra (2), Orold (2), Clone bay 43 (2), Thryn (2), Ebonhart (2), Steven Colbert (2), The Imperial Spatial Hispanic Federation (2), Helghast Sovereignty (2), Remes (2), Basilis (2), Muzztopia (2), Pewor (2), Val-Verde (2), Transcendonia (2), Luovia Ihmisia (2), The Federal Republic of Provinces (2), Demardia (2), Northern Socialist States (2), Inventio (2), Setyas (2), Remondo (2), The Water Supply (2), Smiley Bob (2), Rivina (2), Ruridova (2), Blegutia (2), Northern Thermonia (2), White Noise (2), Illusionist (2), Palafox (2), Krawdadsky (2), The Predator Federation (2), Russia and Finland (2), Exeperia (2), Crystal Spires (2), -Alpine- (2), Kingdom of Derita (2), Manick (2), Tasty Water (2), Balnkit (2), Korskha (2), Natornic Cultures (2), The Imperium Collectives (2), Conzi (2), Astraesel (2), Northvale (2), Organized States (2), Multiple Bounty (2), Hallensbane (2), Probaptical (2), Etoile Arcture (2), Warrior Tribes Of The Red Sun (2), Araluen and Eyreland (2), Publica Ferrum (2), Earthbound immortal squad (2), Jack O Land (2), Garop (2), St Ville (2), Zorbae (2), Eastern Arcturus (2), Serikali kutisha (2), Speroland (2), Cosmic Explosion (2), Voguesphere (2), Dariaus (2), Georgiaa (2), Controlitia WA (2), Fortiland (2), Alpha Empire (2), Renatum (2), Loveridge (2), Adis Abyssinia (2), UED Rebels (2), Wattlebeardia and the Excellent Bloomers (2), Land of bloot (2), Daltons Viking Based Land (2), Corbainia (2), Genesis Fifteen (2), The UCOA (2), and (3,160) individual WA member nations.

Votes Against: 2,281: All Good People (211), Mousebumples (131), Unibot III (125), Acario (101), Detective Figs (77), Duck-Boss (41), Noctaurus (35), Albarusija (26), Kushkanisa (26), Dubnia (25), Amiria (20), NeuPolska (18), The Afanisian Isles (18), Ahntong (18), CDland (16), Bolkania (16), Poretos (14), The Voltarum (14), Christian Democrats (13), Chemung (13), Sparta12 (13), Brasir (12), REVOLUTION X (11), Robert Hawkins (11), Aawia (10), Bloodstone Kay (9), Taeji (8), Smogge (8), Zarystok (7), Magikarp Kingdom (7), The Shadow Commune (7), Vertmont (7), The Gregorach (7), Democratic Siberia (7), BURGLOR (7), Russian Fedration (6), The SAPPHIROS Islands (5), Dennizona (5), Merpf (4), New New Capston (4), Austria-Norway (4), Akin Trade Federations (4), Kaiseropolis (4), Gigaverse (4), The Inner Rim (4), Kleinekatzen (4), Galadhion (4), The empire of north (4), Sergeantia (4), Armageddonland (4), Glovia (3), Northern Union of Lenton (3), Mister X (3), Gingray (3), Endus (3), Apothic Prime (3), Gandalia (3), Evil Grantica (3), Tatooene (3), Sauvage (3), Dirt Roads (3), Jingdood (3), Hereneva Socialist State (3), Bingotonia (3), Templareroeras (3), Dagnia (3), Kakurine (3), Maltropia (3), Lygonia (3), The Greater States of Racoonia (2), Gibsonville2 (2), Herculland (2), Puerto Tyranus (2), DEC-LAND (2), Slushia (2), Honeybadgerland Army (2), The Communist Collective of Galen (2), Spirit of Hope (2), Zalxus (2), Umbramoor (2), GraySoap (2), Adeiatic (2), The United Realms Of Lords and Paradox (2), Ob45 (2), Iron Dog (2), Donkervader (2), Slevvania (2), Luca (2), Democratic Republic of Wyvernham (2), Jappa (2), North Warrensil (2), Dommettopia (2), Isolaria (2), Lorethia (2), DanTecya (2), Kharkov (2), Vupaguun (2), Krankor (2), Confederacy of Bavarian States (2), Billfania (2), and (1,009) individual WA member nations.
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Appledalek III
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Appledalek III » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:28 pm

Legal Competence was passed 7,135 votes to 2,282.

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Bears Armed Mission
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed Mission » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:37 am

Mundiferrum wrote:
Bears Armed Mission wrote:Voting has another 11 hours left to run, but unfortunately I'll have to be away from NS from just a few minutes time after now after that voting period ends. I'd be grateful if somebody would copy the lists of delegate votes as close to the finish as possible and post them here.

You keep doing that. Why do you keep doing that?

EDIT: I'm referring to the you always being away from NS a few hours before this thing, not the asking for delegates.

OOC: I'm in the UK, so operating [currently] on British Summer Time. I don't actually have internet access from home, and the places from which I can access NS aren't open at night... and the major update, when voting closes, happens [approximately] at 5am...

Thank you for the lists.
In case you are wondering about that part of my post I like having a list not only to satisfy my curiosity, and to see whom I might "owe" for support [or opposition], but for potential use when lobbying for subsequent proposals as well. For example, I actually got this proposal to quorum so quickly by a TG campaign that specifically targetted the delegates who'd voted for 'Prevention of Wildfires'...

Shaktirajya wrote:We, the Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya, vote against this proposal on the grounds that some member states may have straightforward decentralized organic legal systems without need of codifying what constitutes legal competence. That said, we find the section on guaranteeing a process of appeal for those citizens denied 'legal competence' by their respective states to be upright and moral and we would vote for this per se should such a proposal be drafted in the future.

Vaktrihi Rajarajeshwaaryaaha Hypatyaaha Sophyaaha Netrihi Svasrtvasya Matrurajyasya Shaktirajyasya
Texan Hotrodders wrote:Because we in the Federation indeed have what you have so ably described as a set of "straightforward decentralized organic legal systems without need of codifying what constitutes legal competence", I must also voice my concern that this is a direct attack on such systems of government and the right to self-determination of those nations who maintain such systems of government.

We actually have a 'decentralised' set of governments and legal systems ourrselves, in bears Armed, and tried to make adequate allowance for such cases in the proposal. You did see the clause that mentioned the possibility of subdivisions within a nation setting standards separately for themselves, hrright? But if your constitution doesn't even allow the national government to tell the other governments that they must have such standards, without telling them hwhat those standards should be then, fair enough, we quite understand: There have actually been several previous proposals, sponsored by other nations, that we voted against for that same reason"

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Ex-Nation

Postby Texan Hotrodders » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:13 pm

Bears Armed Mission wrote:We actually have a 'decentralised' set of governments and legal systems ourrselves, in bears Armed, and tried to make adequate allowance for such cases in the proposal. You did see the clause that mentioned the possibility of subdivisions within a nation setting standards separately for themselves, hrright? But if your constitution doesn't even allow the national government to tell the other governments that they must have such standards, without telling them hwhat those standards should be then, fair enough, we quite understand: There have actually been several previous proposals, sponsored by other nations, that we voted against for that same reason"

Artorrios o SouthWoods,
ChairBear, Bears Armed Mission at the World Assembly.
(Regional WA Delegate for the International Democratic Union)


Esteemed Ambassador Artorrios o SouthWoods,

What you have surmised is indeed the case in the Federation. Our constitution does not provide for what you have described.

It seems that at least we have an understanding.

Thanks for your consideration,

Ambassador to the World Assembly
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