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WA Alphabet Standardization

Postby Tweegee » Mon May 28, 2012 2:14 am

Category: promotion of arts and creativity and education
Strength: strong

AWARE ambassadors have busy schedules and dedicate to much time to write/type as it is

AWARE the primary language of the WA is English

AWARE some letters in the English alphabet are redundant

AWARE redundant letters make reading and writing difficult for students of the English language

HEREBY shrinks the English alphabet from 26 letters to 22 letters

OLD alphabet:
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

NEW alphabet:
A B C D E F G H I L M N O P R S T U V W Y Z
elimination of letters J K Q X (18% increase in efficiency, 100% effective)
qu will be cw
k will be c
j will be g
x will be z or c depending on word

The new alphabet shall be used in all formal WA documentation

Those who violate will have their hand slapped by a nun or a religious figure of the offenders choosing

end

any recommendations of letter removal is welcome

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Postby Chinese Regions » Mon May 28, 2012 2:19 am

What about ch?
What about c when pronounced like s?
And no, J shouldn't be replaced with G, because what about the G in words like garden or game?
Mosts sounds should have its own letter.
Similar sounds can be share but G and J sound nothing alike.
Compounds such as 'kw' or 'ai' can reduce the letters of course
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Postby Chemaki » Mon May 28, 2012 2:19 am

I don't even know anything about the World Assembly or the various resolutions, but even I gathered that this is a troll resolution.

To: The Republic of Twegee
From: The Federal Republic of Chemaki
We are appalled at your proposal to change the alphabets of various countries, and as such, we have prepared our array of nuclear warheads for an imminent pre-emptive strike on your nation. We will not stand idly by whilst the rights of Js, Ks, Qs and Xs are ignored! We will fight for our alphabet to the death!
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Postby Wisconia » Mon May 28, 2012 2:23 am

What about the ce sound? It is different to a normal s (ce is a slightly longer sound). Good idea though.

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Postby Sionis Prioratus » Mon May 28, 2012 3:04 am

Tweegee wrote:Category: promotion of arts and creativity and education
Strength: strong

AWARE ambassadors have busy schedules and dedicate to much time to write/type as it is

AWARE the primary language of the WA is English

AWARE some letters in the English alphabet are redundant

AWARE redundant letters make reading and writing difficult for students of the English language

HEREBY shrinks the English alphabet from 26 letters to 22 letters

OLD alphabet:
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

NEW alphabet:
A B C D E F G H I L M N O P R S T U V W Y Z
elimination of letters J K Q X (18% increase in efficiency, 100% effective)
qu will be cw
k will be c
j will be g
x will be z or c depending on word

The new alphabet shall be used in all formal WA documentation

Those who violate will have their hand slapped by a nun or a religious figure of the offenders choosing

end

any recommendations of letter removal is welcome


Oh, no. Dear Goddess, no.
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Postby Sionis Prioratus » Mon May 28, 2012 3:09 am

Tweegee wrote:any recommendations of letter removal is welcome


Please remove B, C, D, E, F, G, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z.

A, H and R are sufficient for producing guttural noises, which in turn are sufficient for communicating on the same mental level within the WA.

AAAAHHH HHHHAARRRRR AAAARRRRRHHHH HHAAAHHAAAHHAARRRRR

AAARRRHHH,
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon May 28, 2012 3:17 am

Category: promotion of arts and creativity and education
Strength: strong

How quaint ... Category and strength mixed together as "catoegory", and a strength which does not exist for that category, all attached to a proposal which is, in essense, completely bloody stupid and a waste of time. :palm:
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Postby Of the Quendi » Mon May 28, 2012 3:27 am

The Lady Malréd, ambassador of the Quendi, was used to a certain degree of absurdity and bizare notions in her job and had, for the most part, learned to accept even the most odd suggestions as being valid enough to warrant careful consideration and serious debate. Still the Alphabet Standardization bill managed to make her jaw drop. "The Quendi WA embassy opposes this proposal, finding it absurd. The bureaucratic chaos associated with "fixing" past resolutions to fit this rule alone should discourage us from this suggestion. On a more national note, I would like to make it very clear that anyone spelling the name of my nation as Cwendi will be considered persona non grata indefinately. Thank you." She declared.
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Postby Ardchoille » Mon May 28, 2012 3:32 am

Gust don't submit this goce proposal, ocay?
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Postby Dagguerro » Mon May 28, 2012 3:40 am

I suppose we could alternatively remove the entire alphabet and all communicate telepathically, perhaps. That would be even more efficient, eh?

Suffice to say this is rather silly. I sincerely hope you are joking with this. I think you are, but you can never be certain...

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Postby German Rhineland » Mon May 28, 2012 3:50 am

The WA Ambassador of the German Rhineland Confederacy,Klauss Koning, had a tower of paperwork in his office when his secretary Mary McWizled informed him that a new draft had come.When he finished reading it he was outrage.He quickly wrote a speech and asked permission to talk about the issue.

"Change the latin alphabet?HELL NO!It's not just the "English Alphabet".It's the alphabet of most western countries.And you suppose to change it?So I suppose we could CHANGE THE ENTIRE ALPHABET and ban handwriting!The alphabet can't change.If this proposal passes,the German Rhine Confederacy will leave the WA.Reasons are clear I think.Thank you for your time fellow WA Ambassadors."
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Postby Knootoss » Mon May 28, 2012 4:27 am

OOC: Brings to mind this old chestnut...

---

The European Commission have just announced an agreement whereby
English will be the official language of the EU, rather than German, which
was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's
government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and
has accepted a five year phase in plan that would be known as "EuroEnglish".

In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will
make the sivil servants jump for joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour
of the "k". This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan have 1 less
letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the
troublesome "ph" will be replaced with the "f". This will make words like
"fotograf" 20% shorter.

In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be
expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.
Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always
ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of
the silent "e"s in the language is disgraseful, and they should go away.

By the 4th year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th"
with "z" and "w" with "v".

During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords
kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer
kombinations of leters. After zis fifz year, ve vil hav a realy sensibl
riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it
ezi to understand each ozer

ZE DREAM VIL FINALI KUM TRU!

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Mon May 28, 2012 4:30 am

While it is illegal and we advise against submission, I wish to point out that I actually enjoyed this draft. That also reminds me of the Value of Pi proposal back in 2007, which is now lost to Jolt... grrrrr. >:(

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Postby Knootoss » Mon May 28, 2012 4:34 am

This is not an enjoyable draft. In fact it is quite silly if you consider that people have many different alphabets and writing systems, including Cyrillic scripts and numerous Asian scripts.

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Postby AbH Belxjander Draconis Serechai » Mon May 28, 2012 4:39 am

Tweegee wrote:Category: promotion of arts and creativity and education
Strength: strong

AWARE ambassadors have busy schedules and dedicate to much time to write/type as it is

AWARE the primary language of the WA is English

AWARE some letters in the English alphabet are redundant

AWARE redundant letters make reading and writing difficult for students of the English language

HEREBY shrinks the English alphabet from 26 letters to 22 letters

OLD alphabet:
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

NEW alphabet:
A B C D E F G H I L M N O P R S T U V W Y Z
elimination of letters J K Q X (18% increase in efficiency, 100% effective)
qu will be cw
k will be c
j will be g
x will be z or c depending on word

The new alphabet shall be used in all formal WA documentation

Those who violate will have their hand slapped by a nun or a religious figure of the offenders choosing

end

any recommendations of letter removal is welcome


unsustainable, there is little about the language itself as the symbolic representation is based on a mix of base language concepts being put together.

This proposal reads like trying to re-define Japanese using english letters alone, this may improve readability but it will also actively harm the concepts discussed.
(Japanese has 4 concepts for the word "jikan" and 14 concepts for the word "Kanji" of which one meaning is the symbols used)

so "contracting" english by removal of duplications would be the removal of c and used of S or K in those instances where the sound is used also eliminating the "ch" consonant pairing...
what words would you use?

br wh ch rd pr tr ngl lxj mb and other consonant combinations would become broken...

How would you redefine the audible representation of everyday speech ?

"Text" becoming "Tekst"? but you change a double to a triple when written form yet it is a singular sound.

readability and comprehension would have long-term and wide-ranging consequences.

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Mon May 28, 2012 5:05 am

Knootoss wrote:This is not an enjoyable draft. In fact it is quite silly if you consider that people have many different alphabets and writing systems, including Cyrillic scripts and numerous Asian scripts.

Actually, this is true given the myriad nature of the world. I might have mis-worded my previous comment in respect of focusing on just one writing system alone.

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Postby Chinese Regions » Mon May 28, 2012 6:30 am

I propose
ABDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWYZ
C is dropped and replaced with K and S.
G will always pronounced be pronounced as an unaspirated K like in gaming, the other other pronunciation will be replaced with a J.
All words where Q is pronounced as K will be replaced with a K.
X is dropped and replaced with Ks and Z
To compensate for ruined combinations Q will be given the Ch sound
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Postby Jefferson and Paul » Mon May 28, 2012 7:45 am

Dumbest thing I've ever seen.
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Postby Dashiopolis » Mon May 28, 2012 7:56 am

*Featherpen looks quizzically at the proposal*

You are hilarious. No.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon May 28, 2012 9:52 am

*Allie stands on the debate floor, holding a copy of the draft proposal in her hand. She reads it again a few times, and then clears her throat to speak to the assembled chamber.*

Ambassador, please tell me this is a joke, correct?

Oh, I apologize; in light of the proposal being discussed, let me rephrase that: please tell me this is a g-o-c-e, correct? I see a few flaws in your suggested proposal, the main one being that there is more than one way to say the letters "g" and "c"-- the hard and the soft versions, if you will. I thought that you were aware of that?

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Postby Astrolinium » Mon May 28, 2012 10:39 am

"No."

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Knootoss wrote:OOC: Brings to mind this old chestnut...

---

The European Commission have just announced an agreement whereby
English will be the official language of the EU, rather than German, which
was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's
government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and
has accepted a five year phase in plan that would be known as "EuroEnglish".

In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will
make the sivil servants jump for joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour
of the "k". This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan have 1 less
letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the
troublesome "ph" will be replaced with the "f". This will make words like
"fotograf" 20% shorter.

In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be
expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.
Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always
ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of
the silent "e"s in the language is disgraseful, and they should go away.

By the 4th year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th"
with "z" and "w" with "v".

During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords
kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer
kombinations of leters. After zis fifz year, ve vil hav a realy sensibl
riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it
ezi to understand each ozer

ZE DREAM VIL FINALI KUM TRU!


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Postby Ossitania » Mon May 28, 2012 3:06 pm

We defy the ambassador to spell "Katyń" in his standard alphabet.
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Mon May 28, 2012 4:02 pm

As this isn't the first time you've spewed out various random troll and stupid proposals, I've escalated to an Official Warning in one of your other threads. If you post more of them, you're looking at probable forumbans.

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