[ABANDONED] On Mercenaries

[Dilange]

I was just thinking of an idea, what if we made a convention on mercenaries, to limit or ban them entirely?

Thoughts?

[Dizyntk]

I was just thinking of an idea, what if we made a convention on mercenaries, to limit or ban them entirely?

Thoughts?

"Why?"

[Dilange]

I was just thinking of an idea, what if we made a convention on mercenaries, to limit or ban them entirely?

Thoughts?

"Why?"

Because:

A) They can work for criminal organizations and be involved in criminal activities.

B) They can violate sovereign equality ,territorial rights, self-determination, political independence, etc.

[Dizyntk]

"Why?"

Because:

A) They can work for criminal organizations and be involved in criminal activities.

B) They can violate sovereign equality ,territorial rights, self-determination, political independence, etc.

"How is this any different from a domesticly hired military unit?"

[Dilange]

Because:

A) They can work for criminal organizations and be involved in criminal activities.

B) They can violate sovereign equality ,territorial rights, self-determination, political independence, etc.

"How is this any different from a domesticly hired military unit?"

They are only controlled by money, and usually not controlled by a higher power.

[Dizyntk]

"How is this any different from a domesticly hired military unit?"

They are only controlled by money, and usually not controlled by a higher power.

"And? So long as they do their job properly what is wrong with working for money? Are you suggesting that we not pay other types of employees while we are at it? Surely many of them are only working for the money."

[Dilange]

They are only controlled by money, and usually not controlled by a higher power.

"And? So long as they do their job properly what is wrong with working for money? Are you suggesting that we not pay other types of employees whike we are at it? Surely many of them are only working for the money."

Thats not the point. The point is that when people don't have a higherarcy system, people tend to not follow laws and regulations. You could have a group of mercenaries working for your country but then some time later have them fighting against you. IF money controls the mercenaries, then they would be involved in illegal opprotunites such as terrorism, drug trafficking, human trafficking, illegal sales, etc.

The differences between mercenaries and a nation's military is that they follow laws and regulations.

[Dizyntk]

"And? So long as they do their job properly what is wrong with working for money? Are you suggesting that we not pay other types of employees whike we are at it? Surely many of them are only working for the money."

Thats not the point. The point is that when people don't have a higherarcy system, people tend to not follow laws and regulations. You could have a group of mercenaries working for your country but then some time later have them fighting against you. IF money controls the mercenaries, then they would be involved in illegal opprotunites such as terrorism, drug trafficking, human trafficking, illegal sales, etc.

The differences between mercenaries and a nation's military is that they follow laws and regulations.

"National military units follow laws? I hate to point this out to you, Ambassador, but miltary personel violate laws all the time. Just because they are in the military does not mean they are any less capable of doing so than anybody else. Also, why would we care if a unit that is no longer in our employ is fighting against us? that is their right to be able to find a new employer after they no longer have a contract with us."

[Dilange]

Thats not the point. The point is that when people don't have a higherarcy system, people tend to not follow laws and regulations. You could have a group of mercenaries working for your country but then some time later have them fighting against you. IF money controls the mercenaries, then they would be involved in illegal opprotunites such as terrorism, drug trafficking, human trafficking, illegal sales, etc.

The differences between mercenaries and a nation's military is that they follow laws and regulations.

"National military units follow laws? I hate to point this out to you, Ambassador, but miltary personel violate laws all the time. Just because they are in the military does not mean they are any less capable of doing so than anybody else. Also, why would we care if a unit that is no longer in our employ is fighting against us? that is their right to be able to find a new employer after they no longer have a contract with us."

When do they violate the law? Please explain this to me.....

Second part, its not the monye that bothers me its the acts they commit.

[Dizyntk]

"National military units follow laws? I hate to point this out to you, Ambassador, but miltary personel violate laws all the time. Just because they are in the military does not mean they are any less capable of doing so than anybody else. Also, why would we care if a unit that is no longer in our employ is fighting against us? that is their right to be able to find a new employer after they no longer have a contract with us."

When do they violate the law? Please explain this to me.....

Second part, its not the monye that bothers me its the acts they commit.

"They violate laws all the time, Ambassadsor. If they did not then we would have no need for a legal department in our military, or military police units for that matter. Mercenaries are incapable of committing any acts that a national military unit cannot commit. Being a mercenary unit does not magically make them any more or less capable of these things."

[Dilange]

When do they violate the law? Please explain this to me.....

Second part, its not the monye that bothers me its the acts they commit.

"They violate laws all the time, Ambassadsor. If they did not then we would have no need for a legal department in our military, or military police units for that matter. Mercenaries are incapable of committing any acts that a national military unit cannot commit. Being a mercenary unit does not magically make them any more or less capable of these things."

When does the military take part in human or drug trafficking? When does the military do acts of terrorism on civilian filled areas (This might be a given)? When does the military block all self-determination and equality?

[TYGER Security]

There has already been a proposal like this, called "Mercenary Convention", if I'm not mistaken. It failed for obvious reasons. I would be happy to pull up a link.

[BrightonBurg]

As the leader of one of the oldest merc theme regions in NS going back to 2004,we provide a service,why should our way be banned? that is like trying to ban defenders or invaders.

Is this a RP thing or a game related crashing/defending ect..

[Southern Patriots]

"I must concur with the honourable representative from Dizyntk. There is no reason to attempt legislation on mercenaries, anymore than we do on regular forces. Mercenaries have served our Defence Force with honour for generations, and hold a high reputation as successful businessmen and warriors."

[Dilange]

As the leader of one of the oldest merc theme regions in NS going back to 2004,we provide a service,why should our way be banned? that is like trying to ban defenders or invaders.

Thats why nations have armies.....the use of mercenaries has been spread out to those criminal activites, mercenaries have become criminals in some cases and will kill anyone if the price is right or gets in the way of profit, no matter what the justification or job they are doing.

[Dizyntk]

"They violate laws all the time, Ambassadsor. If they did not then we would have no need for a legal department in our military, or military police units for that matter. Mercenaries are incapable of committing any acts that a national military unit cannot commit. Being a mercenary unit does not magically make them any more or less capable of these things."

When does the military take part in human or drug trafficking? When does the military do acts of terrorism on civilian filled areas (This might be a given)? When does the military block all self-determination and equality?

"When a national government that is in charge does these things, Ambassador. When does a mercenary unit do these things unless hired to do them? Even then they are not required to take a contract if the leadership of said unit does like the government or entity offering it. The truth is, Ambassador, that nobody fights just for money. Anyone who does is probably not worth hiring."

[TYGER Security]

Okay, found it at last. Had to dig through quite a bit of the WA to locate this slippery thing. Here it is: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=92711

As I was saying, there was a good reason it was finally abandoned.

[Dilange]

When does the military take part in human or drug trafficking? When does the military do acts of terrorism on civilian filled areas (This might be a given)? When does the military block all self-determination and equality?

"When a national government that is in charge does these things, Ambassador. When does a mercenary unit do these things unless hired to do them? Even then they are not required to take a contract if the leadership of said unit does like the government of entity offering it. The truth is, Ambassador, that nobody fights just for money. Anyone who does is probably not worth hiring."

Are you sure, Ambassador? COmmon mercenaries will do any job if the price is right, all the client cares is if the job can be completed. Thats why I want to try to regulate it the best we can and not outright ban it.

[Dilange]

Okay, found it at last. Had to dig through quite a bit of the WA to locate this slippery thing. Here it is: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=92711

As I was saying, there was a good reason it was finally abandoned.

And why was that? Seeing you are new to this field....I would like to ask why. And second, you arent part of the World Assembly to begin with so its laws would not affect you nation to begin with.

[Dizyntk]

"When a national government that is in charge does these things, Ambassador. When does a mercenary unit do these things unless hired to do them? Even then they are not required to take a contract if the leadership of said unit does like the government of entity offering it. The truth is, Ambassador, that nobody fights just for money. Anyone who does is probably not worth hiring."

Are you sure, Ambassador? COmmon mercenaries will do any job if the price is right, all the client cares is if the job can be completed. Thats why I want to try to regulate it the best we can and not outright ban it.

"They will not do any job, Ambassador. You obviously have no clue as to why soldiers fight. Professional soldiers fight in exchange for money, this is true. They are as unlikely to do something against their personal convictions as any other person however. If you do not understand this then I suggest that you not attempt to command forces on the battlefield."

[TYGER Security]

Okay, found it at last. Had to dig through quite a bit of the WA to locate this slippery thing. Here it is: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=92711

As I was saying, there was a good reason it was finally abandoned.

And why was that? Seeing you are new to this field....I would like to ask why. And second, you arent part of the World Assembly to begin with so its laws would not affect you nation to begin with.

My alt is in the World Assembly and the second account happens to be the one in use at the moment.

By the way, the link above was originally a "Ban Mercenaries Convention" before it was changed to only restricting them. Read through the text and you'll still see traces of it.

[Southern Patriots]

As the leader of one of the oldest merc theme regions in NS going back to 2004,we provide a service,why should our way be banned? that is like trying to ban defenders or invaders.

Thats why nations have armies.....the use of mercenaries has been spread out to those criminal activites, mercenaries have become criminals in some cases and will kill anyone if the price is right or gets in the way of profit, no matter what the justification or job they are doing.

"I was not aware the problem had gotten so bad. Can you list some of the instances of the use of mercenaries by criminals in World Assembly member-states?"

[Christian Democrats]

I've tried something like this; there wasn't sufficient support for the proposal.

[Latanii]

Mercenaries have a heirarchy like any other unit. They work for a particular employer and that is their boss - they simply carry out their wishes without normal restricitions as they are an autonomus group and ideal opperate without the red tape though that can sometime be a lie.

[Dilange]

Thats why nations have armies.....the use of mercenaries has been spread out to those criminal activites, mercenaries have become criminals in some cases and will kill anyone if the price is right or gets in the way of profit, no matter what the justification or job they are doing.

"I was not aware the problem had gotten so bad. Can you list some of the instances of the use of mercenaries by criminals in World Assembly member-states?"

I can only list ones in my nation. I do not have records to other nations.