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Excuse me for saying so, because, you know, sometimes, as a car, I just don't get the human way of doing things, but HOW THE FUCK CAN DETONATING A THERMONUCLEAR BOMB EVER BE CONSIDERED A "PEACEFUL" EXPLOSION?? I mean, seriously! Give me an example!

Herby wrote:Excuse me for saying so, because, you know, sometimes, as a car, I just don't get the human way of doing things, but HOW THE FUCK CAN DETONATING A THERMONUCLEAR BOMB EVER BE CONSIDERED A "PEACEFUL" EXPLOSION?? I mean, seriously! Give me an example!

"Ain't no better method of spaceship propulsion anywhere. At least not outside of those mysterious and eldritch "FT" empires."

John Turner wrote:

Atomic Utopia wrote:Reviving this, looking at alternative categories for my proposal should it sate JPT. I would like suggestions, ad hominem attacks, whining, and any such advice to be given.

You have already been told how to fix it.

You have told me that it is not "environmental all business", not suggesting an alternative catagory. Having looked over it again I belive that the category is indeed correct, and I shall dispence with my argument regarding this.

ARGUMENTS:

It could be said, and is largely true that regulating PNEs would have wide ranging effects on all industry. You may wonder, and indeed it is correct to do so, how this could be true. The answer is simple and based on tests that occured IRL. Trout fishing can benifit from radioisotope tracers used to track water flow and thus aid in finding fish distribution; metal freneture often uses metal that has had tracers inserted into it to track its movement through smelters; pizza delivery can use gas obtained from nuclear fracking and radioisotopes can sterilize food; the soda pop industry can use tracers to measure movement in test runs of machinery and use isotopes to sterilize food. Said radioisotopes can be made in nuclear explosions such as shot "grover" (plowshare) and fracking can be done similarly to the "gas buggy" shot (again, plowshare). PNEs can be used and affect many, many things.

Atomic Utopia wrote:You have told me that it is not "environmental all business", not suggesting an alternative catagory. Having looked over it again I belive that the category is indeed correct, and I shall dispence with my argument regarding this.

Well, you'd be wrong. There's no way you can possibly define this proposal as "A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry." Your entire premise is the Advancement of Industry, with the proviso that you're attempting to limit environmental damage. That's the exact opposite. While you could really stretch your case and try to shoehorn it into Advancement of Industry / Environmental Deregulation, I believe you really think that blowing shit up is somehow good for the environment and would resist that change.

And yes, this would count as an Official Notification from the Secretariat. You've got the wrong Category and Strength.

Atomic Utopia wrote:Trout fishing can benifit from radioisotope tracers used to track water flow and thus aid in finding fish distribution; metal freneture often uses metal that has had tracers inserted into it to track its movement through smelters; pizza delivery can use gas obtained from nuclear fracking and radioisotopes can sterilize food; the soda pop industry can use tracers to measure movement in test runs of machinery and use isotopes to sterilize food. Said radioisotopes can be made in nuclear explosions such as shot "grover" (plowshare) and fracking can be done similarly to the "gas buggy" shot (again, plowshare).

I don't think you understand the science behind isotope production. "Explosions" are not a factor.

Herby wrote:Excuse me for saying so, because, you know, sometimes, as a car, I just don't get the human way of doing things, but HOW THE FUCK CAN DETONATING A THERMONUCLEAR BOMB EVER BE CONSIDERED A "PEACEFUL" EXPLOSION?? I mean, seriously! Give me an example!

"Ambassador, while, of any of us, the delegation of Atomic Utopia, is perhaps the best equipped to provide such an example, due to their extensive use of nuclear devices in civilian products, the Imperium finds itself in agreement. However, their delegation is not, from the Proposal Text, attempting to create a system by which Nuclear Explosives can be used for 'peaceful' purposes, rather, attempting to regulate their use, as such a system is already in existence."

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:"Ain't no better method of spaceship propulsion anywhere. At least not outside of those mysterious and eldritch "FT" empires."

"I assure you, Ambassador, workings between the Imperium and Yog-Sothoth, are strictly limited."

Thank you very much for the advice, I will look into how to shoehorn it into that, but I still do not see how ratcheing regulation deregulates industry; how mandating maximum doses and other such things IF a nation uses such devices is eliminating regulation. Though I have an idea, I will get it re-written ASAP to fit my idea. Oh, and JPT, eat your heart out, it will be IntSec

Frisbeeteria wrote:I don't think you understand the science behind isotope production. "Explosions" are not a factor.

I do understand it perfectly, and indeed IRL nuclear bombs are not used to produce isotopes, however the possibility of using the extreme neutron fluxes in a nuclear explosion to produce isotopes was studided in the gnome test. Now mind, this is somewhat useless because I have a plan that will make it so that joint use (military and civilian combined) physics package tests will not be able to be called peaceful tests and thus avoid WA regs.

Herby wrote:Excuse me for saying so, because, you know, sometimes, as a car, I just don't get the human way of doing things, but HOW THE FUCK CAN DETONATING A THERMONUCLEAR BOMB EVER BE CONSIDERED A "PEACEFUL" EXPLOSION?? I mean, seriously! Give me an example!

"Excavation. Spaceship propulsion. There's two."

Pharthan wrote:

Herby wrote:Excuse me for saying so, because, you know, sometimes, as a car, I just don't get the human way of doing things, but HOW THE FUCK CAN DETONATING A THERMONUCLEAR BOMB EVER BE CONSIDERED A "PEACEFUL" EXPLOSION?? I mean, seriously! Give me an example!

"Excavation. Spaceship propulsion. There's two."

There are lots of other peaceful uses, like putting one under sensitive research bases, under the first base on a unknown planet, generating radioactive areas, clearing out thresher maw nests.