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Postby Astrolinium » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:46 pm

Well, ladies, gentlemen, and others, as this hall has been effectively sullied by lies and half-truths, as the lemmings have effectively been swayed by the forces of conservatism and destruction, and as I underestimated how much time I would have to set the record straight by campaigning against the repeal of GAR #172, it seems to me that the best recourse would be to redraft that resolution and propose something more ironclad. Here for your comments is my new draft -- I welcome critique, and I will not rest until ignorance is defeated and this august body has on its books once more a resolution which works towards brotherhood, towards understanding, towards tolerance, towards peace, and towards the future as this one does.

International Cultural Expositions
A resolution to promote funding and the development of education and the arts.

Category: Education and Creativity
Area of Effect: Cultural Heritage
Proposed by: Astrolinium

Description: THE WORLD ASSEMBLY,

NOTING the vast cultural heritage, staggering advancements, and rich, diverse traditions of its member states,

REMEMBERING its goal of "improving the world one resolution at a time",

BELIEVING that the recognition, preservation, and promotion of its member states' cultures and advancements is of the utmost importance in an increasingly global world,

HEREBY DECLARES that an International Cultural Exposition be held every year for the purpose of fostering international goodwill, recognizing the cultures of member states, and promoting peace and understanding between members,

ESTABLISHES the International Expositions Authority (IEA) to regulate these expositions and to select by means of fair and just criteria a city within the jurisdiction of a WA member state each year for the purposes of hosting this exposition,

STIPULATES that chosen cities have the right to refuse their nomination and shall be selected far enough in advance for all necessary preparations to be made,

DECLARES that these expositions be carried out in the manner of a worldwide fair,

DEFINES worldwide fair as "a gathering for the exhibition and celebration of achievements cultural, scientific, and otherwise by the diverse member states of the World Assembly for the entertainment and education of the public about said achievements and the peoples which achieved them",

INVITES any and all member states to set up pavilions, booths, or other forms of exhibitions at these expositions where they may showcase their achievements and unique culture to citizens of the world,

OFFERS that a grant of sufficient size be provided from the WA General Fund to assist member states in paying for these expositions,

ALLOWS member states to charge reasonable fees for entry and use of services/facilities in order to otherwise help ameliorate the burden of the costs, and to seek assistance from private entities for the same purpose,

EMPHASIZES that the host nation retains the following rights:

  • to bar entry to representatives from certain member states with which they are in open military conflict should their presence present a clear and present danger to national security
  • to expel foreign individuals from the exposition should they break the laws of the host nation
  • to impose individual standards which respect the purposes and means of this resolution;

FURTHER NOTES that the host nation may not expel or prevent the participation of member states or individuals due solely to their ideologies, cultural practices, or other beliefs unless the aforementioned ideologies, cultural practices, or other beliefs present a clear and present danger to the national security of the hosting state or to the safety of those in attendance at these expositions,

EMPOWERS the IEA to send representatives to these expositions for purposes of security and of determining what constitutes a "clear and present danger".
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:52 pm

So basically...everything that was in GAR #172.
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Postby Astrolinium » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:53 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:So basically...everything that was in GAR #172.


Essentially, but made more clear in order to prevent misunderstandings (or, rather, outright lies) on the level of the resolution currently at vote.
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:32 pm

to bar entry to representatives from certain member states with which they are in open military conflict should their presence present a clear and present danger to national security


No. That was the main crux of the argument in favor of a repeal, and you are going to attempt to slap it back in there? The Federation remains opposed to this, and will actively fight against it if necessary. nations are fully capable of holding their own "international exposition" without the WA mandating it. As for lies in the repeal? Tell that to every major delegate that voted for it (most of them have access to ministries that evaluate these things). You have not adequately addressed the concerns from the repeal, and as such this will be blown out of the water.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:34 pm

^Seconded. You've basically brought back every point from the old IEA, and that resolution is toast.
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Postby Astrolinium » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:52 pm

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
to bar entry to representatives from certain member states with which they are in open military conflict should their presence present a clear and present danger to national security


No. That was the main crux of the argument in favor of a repeal, and you are going to attempt to slap it back in there? The Federation remains opposed to this, and will actively fight against it if necessary. nations are fully capable of holding their own "international exposition" without the WA mandating it. As for lies in the repeal? Tell that to every major delegate that voted for it (most of them have access to ministries that evaluate these things). You have not adequately addressed the concerns from the repeal, and as such this will be blown out of the water.


Ha.
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:00 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
No. That was the main crux of the argument in favor of a repeal, and you are going to attempt to slap it back in there? The Federation remains opposed to this, and will actively fight against it if necessary. nations are fully capable of holding their own "international exposition" without the WA mandating it. As for lies in the repeal? Tell that to every major delegate that voted for it (most of them have access to ministries that evaluate these things). You have not adequately addressed the concerns from the repeal, and as such this will be blown out of the water.


Ha.


Nice. Nice argument you came back with there. If you keep up with those back breaking arguments this will be a shoo in.
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Postby Astrolinium » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:05 pm

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
Ha.


Nice. Nice argument you came back with there. If you keep up with those back breaking arguments this will be a shoo in.


If you cannot practice enough basic reading comprehension to see that the resolution has been changed to address concerns, ambassador, I'm not sure I should bother arguing with you -- surely there is something more productive I could do with that mental energy, no?
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:23 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
Nice. Nice argument you came back with there. If you keep up with those back breaking arguments this will be a shoo in.


If you cannot practice enough basic reading comprehension to see that the resolution has been changed to address concerns, ambassador, I'm not sure I should bother arguing with you -- surely there is something more productive I could do with that mental energy, no?


viewtopic.php?f=9&t=335215&p=23994059&sid=a9e8a21cc2b3e1e0673d7e3de438d3b7#p23993559 Please read.
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Postby Astrolinium » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:27 pm

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
If you cannot practice enough basic reading comprehension to see that the resolution has been changed to address concerns, ambassador, I'm not sure I should bother arguing with you -- surely there is something more productive I could do with that mental energy, no?


viewtopic.php?f=9&t=335215&p=23994059&sid=a9e8a21cc2b3e1e0673d7e3de438d3b7#p23993559 Please read.


I have -- I suggest you do the same if you think I've just "slapped it back in there".
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Postby Jarish Inyo » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:25 pm

EMPOWERS the IEA to send representatives to these expositions for purposes of security and of determining what constitutes a "clear and present danger".


How is the IEA gonna send representatives to these expositions for purposes of security when the WA has no security forces? And how do they determine what is a "clear and present danger" to the host nation? Or do they overrule the host nation when it decides something is a "clear and present danger"?

Lastly, why do we need to have this version of something we just repealed it?
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Postby Astrolinium » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:44 pm

Jarish Inyo wrote:
EMPOWERS the IEA to send representatives to these expositions for purposes of security and of determining what constitutes a "clear and present danger".


How is the IEA gonna send representatives to these expositions for purposes of security when the WA has no security forces? And how do they determine what is a "clear and present danger" to the host nation? Or do they overrule the host nation when it decides something is a "clear and present danger"?

Lastly, why do we need to have this version of something we just repealed it?


That section should likely be reworded; the general idea being that members of the committee would oversee security rather than actually provide security -- gnomes generally not being terribly effective at the latter. And they determine that by their own judgment -- I do not pretend to know how.

(OOC: It's general practice not to determine the minutia of how a committee does a think it is tasked with since proposals have a character limit and it would also be needless micromanagement -- the general assumption we are required to make is that the gnomes in charge of the committee are totally infallible in everything they do.)

Lastly, because this is an important matter and it ought to be on the books -- the World Assembly ought to oversee such an event.
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Postby Jarish Inyo » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:02 pm

This is not an important matter in any way. WA funds should be used for something other then a pointless 'world's fair'.

Also, no nation in their right mind would turn their security forces over to the WA and the gnomes.
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Postby Astrolinium » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:38 pm

Jarish Inyo wrote:This is not an important matter in any way. WA funds should be used for something other then a pointless 'world's fair'.


These are incredibly sad times we live in if this is the opinion of a member state.
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Postby Jarish Inyo » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:56 pm

World's fair are a frivolous us of WA funds. Not to mention, world's fairs do not actually recognize, preserve, and promote any nation's cultures and advancements.
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Postby Astrolinium » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:59 pm

Jarish Inyo wrote:World's fair are a frivolous us of WA funds. Not to mention, world's fairs do not actually recognize, preserve, and promote any nation's cultures and advancements.


How would such an exposition be frivolous? And -- again stressing the importance of reading the proposal, Ambassadors -- by very definition such a "worldwide fair" does exactly that.
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Postby Jarish Inyo » Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:13 pm

Actually, it doesn't do that. Governments would show exhibits that do not truly recognize, preserve, and promote any nation's cultures and advancements. They would have exhibits that are nothing but propaganda.

The exposition is frivolous because it doesn't do anything. The funds used on the expo are better used for humanitarian aid or a program that actually benefits people. Not some tourist attraction.
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Postby Astrolinium » Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:19 pm

Jarish Inyo wrote:Actually, it doesn't do that. Governments would show exhibits that do not truly recognize, preserve, and promote any nation's cultures and advancements. They would have exhibits that are nothing but propaganda.

The exposition is frivolous because it doesn't do anything. The funds used on the expo are better used for humanitarian aid or a program that actually benefits people. Not some tourist attraction.


That would not be good-faith compliance, Ambassador. All nations are required to comply not only in letter but in good faith, or have you forgotten? So, yes, it does do that, and no, it is not frivolous.

And besides, the World Assembly has over twenty thousand member states, donations -- appropriate donations -- from which are exacted yearly for the General Fund; the World Assembly has money enough for both.
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Postby Jarish Inyo » Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:32 pm

Actually, good faith compliance is not mandatory. And can not be enforced. And it is still frivolous. It is only a tourist extraction. Nothing more. The WA is not funded by appropriate donations. It is funded by solicited donations as stated in the resolution. WA 17 also stated that the WA can not spend the fund frivolously. The WA doesn't have enough funds to continue funding such frivolous endeavors.
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Jarish Inyo wrote:Actually, good faith compliance is not mandatory.
According to GA Resolution #2, it is.
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Postby Astrolinium » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:56 am

Jarish Inyo wrote:Actually, good faith compliance is not mandatory. And can not be enforced. And it is still frivolous. It is only a tourist extraction. Nothing more. The WA is not funded by appropriate donations. It is funded by solicited donations as stated in the resolution. WA 17 also stated that the WA can not spend the fund frivolously. The WA doesn't have enough funds to continue funding such frivolous endeavors.


As the esteemed ambassador from Bears Armed has pointed out, good faith compliance is, in fact, absolutely mandatory. Furthermore, to quote GAR #17, "the World Assembly shall be funded by donations from member states" -- not "the World Assembly shall be underfunded". With over 20,000 member states funding with their donations, the amount of which is assessed "according to donors' national wealth and ability to give", this body has plenty of money for this purpose.
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Postby Jarish Inyo » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:04 am

And how does one prove that one hasn't acted in so called good faith? Simple fact is that any nation is not going to promote certain aspects of their culture and not others. They don't send anything that reflects their true culture A worlds fair is only a tourist attraction and propaganda venue. Nothing more.

Shall be funded by donations being the key statement. Donations meaning the making of a gift especially to a charity or public institution or a free contribution. The nation still decides how much of it pays into the fund, now matter how one interrupts WA#17. After all, only a nation can determine it's ability to give. After the WA gives back whatever is left from the donations of the previous year, it has to receive for that year. That means that the WA has to work within a certain budget. It can not exceed that budget. The WA would have to adjust it's operating cost every year dependent on the total amount of funds donated. It's your assumption that with 20,000 members, that the WA has plenty of money to fund a world's fair. After all, there are several other programs that get their funding from the WAGF. Let's not forget the legions of gnomes that need to be paid and have their medical and travel expenses covered also come out of the WAFG. Everyone must remember that the WAGF does not have an infinite amount of cash. It has limits.
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Postby Astrolinium » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:30 am

Jarish Inyo wrote:The nation still decides how much of it pays into the fund, now matter how one interrupts WA#17. After all, only a nation can determine it's ability to give.


Patently false. GAR#17 clearly states that the General Accounting Office assesses the donation ability of nations and receives an according donation. This is the price of being a member here; but sure, have your treasury tell the gnomes that you only have to give what you want next time they come collecting, see what they do. It has been established countless times over the past several years that "donation" is a pretty word used primarily because it sounds a lot better than "membership fee", while still meaning "membership fee".
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:58 am

Upon seeing this, I did further research into the original bill, and found that the repeal proposal blatantly misleads the delegation, since the supposed contradiction between restriction of participants due to war and inability to restrict participants by ideology doesn't actually exist.
I am very disappointed with the repeal bill. My suggestion to the Security Council: condemn Jean Pierre Trudeau.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:59 am

Are we discussing the draft, or reviving the argument over GAR #17?

In principle, I support this, but not when you've just included everything that was in the old resolution. Even if this passes, prepare for a very quick repeal.
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