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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:10 pm

SuperFruitLand wrote:The FruitLandian ambassador stands up. "A repeal of civil rights, when based upon a religious motive, is not acceptable for all nations that do not happen to be theistic."


"It gives them the opportunity to define marriage as they see fit, which includes atheist nations that want to allow for polygamy or cat and dog marriages."
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Postby Bananaistan » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:12 pm

Try again ambassador. The target resolution deals only with two person unions. There is nothing stopping nations from allowing polygamous and cat and dog marriages if they so wish.
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Postby The Arctic Kingdom » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:12 pm

SuperFruitLand wrote:The FruitLandian ambassador stands up. "A repeal of civil rights, when based upon a religious motive, is not acceptable for all nations that do not happen to be theistic."


The Arctic ambassador finally gets up from his phone and adds "Additionally, it is not the government's business as to whom someone may or may not marry based on their romantic preferences. I request that this resolution be immediately put down in favor of all over sensible and/or atheistic nation such as mine.."
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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:16 pm

"Such ignorance!" says the ambassador of Archeuland. "Ignorance indeed! Obviously an attack on our country."
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Postby Bananaistan » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:21 pm

Nice to see the true colours coming through. It's obvious that the ambassador merely wants to be able to prevent homosexual couples from marrying. Glad that's out and this repeal attempt can now die.
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:24 pm

OOC: Behaving like this doesn't exactly encourage people to help you out. I tried to provide honest feedback on your repeal to make it legal and politically palatable. If your only interest is in playing crybaby, then I obviously won't bother doing so on any future drafts.

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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:35 pm

The Dark Star Republic wrote:OOC: Behaving like this doesn't exactly encourage people to help you out. I tried to provide honest feedback on your repeal to make it legal and politically palatable. If your only interest is in playing crybaby, then I obviously won't bother doing so on any future drafts.


OOC: Good for you!
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Postby Defwa » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:35 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"Such ignorance!" says the ambassador of Archeuland. "Ignorance indeed! Obviously an attack on our country."

Some of the more literal followers of Divine Wizard Worship would still want to adhere of the ancient ways of slavery to the wizards. The WA has outlawed this practice. Would you support the repeal of WA legislation on slavery because it is an attack on the outdated practices of another religion?

This assembly has pretty reliably ruled in favor of the idea that people are people regardless of what religion wants to oppress them. You over estimate your importance if you feel that his legislation (which existed long before you joined this assembly) is a direct attack on yourself.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:47 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I should have expected this from the beginning," commented the Archeuland ambassador. "It's clear that there is no respect for Christian values in this assembly..."

"None whatsoever, though I'd love to hear why we ought to bother. Many of us, like myself, are markedly anti-theist. You lost a wave of support when you mentioned religion."
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Postby West Angola » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:08 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"It gives them the opportunity to define marriage as they see fit, which includes atheist nations that want to allow for polygamy or cat and dog marriages."

What an oddly specific turn of phrase, since as all within this chamber are aware, polygamy and cat and dog marriages are at the top of the sneaky subversive atheist agenda. I, along with my government, am a Catholic, which means we are of course in league with these slippery atheist fellows. Your words indicate that you have a spy within the Secret Atheist Caucus Chamber located in the women's restroom, and rest assured that he or she will be rooted out immediately!
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Postby Goddess Relief Office » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:13 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
NOTING that the WA has ensured, through the Charter of Civil Rights, that legal discrimination against homosexuals is not possible anyway;

NOTING that many nations do not have the practice of marriage within their social structure in the first place;


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Ambassador, the expressions "is not possible anyway", and "in the first place" belong in more casual settings like a blog or a forum post, they are not suitable in legislative writing.


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Postby Divitaen » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:19 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
SuperFruitLand wrote:The FruitLandian ambassador stands up. "A repeal of civil rights, when based upon a religious motive, is not acceptable for all nations that do not happen to be theistic."


"It gives them the opportunity to define marriage as they see fit, which includes atheist nations that want to allow for polygamy or cat and dog marriages."


Since when did atheists want to legalise polygamous marriages with animals???
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Postby West Angola » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:20 pm

This still reads like a NatSov only repeal, you'll need a better argument, Ambassador.
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Postby Divitaen » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:22 pm

West Angola wrote:This still reads like a NatSov only repeal, you'll need a better argument, Ambassador.


Yeah, the basic argument in the Resolution is that it goes against the "conscience" of religious rulers. Basically an argument for allowing every member state a conscience-based line item veto of any human rights legislation.
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Postby West Angola » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:25 pm

Divitaen wrote:Yeah, the basic argument in the Resolution is that it goes against the "conscience" of religious rulers. Basically an argument for allowing every member state a conscience-based line item veto of any human rights legislation.

Which is a completely new strategy that no other nation has ever tried before! :p
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Postby Divitaen » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:27 pm

West Angola wrote:
Divitaen wrote:Yeah, the basic argument in the Resolution is that it goes against the "conscience" of religious rulers. Basically an argument for allowing every member state a conscience-based line item veto of any human rights legislation.

Which is a completely new strategy that no other nation has ever tried before! :p


Hey if he can do it the rest of us should be able to as well! There are lots of Resolutions our country's government don't want to follow...
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Postby Kryozerkia » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:09 pm

The proposed repeal was submitted, however, it's been removed. It was submitted as a "moral decency" proposal instead of as a repeal.
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Postby Kincoboh » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:35 pm

Representative Anna Bondar furrowed her brow.
"It is not everyday that I should agree with a borderline theocratic nation. Marriage should have absolutely no basis in government law, and I agree that said legislation should be repealed."
Ms. Bondar tilted her head slightly.
"Although I know that the repeal of the Freedom of Marriage Act would allow nations to prohibit certain marriages, I believe that repealing this piece of legislation is necessary. Marriage, whatever that would mean to any member nation, should not be defined by the World Assembly, but only by the people of a nation."
"Speaking on behalf of Kincoboh, I would support a repeal of the Freedom of Marriage Act."
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Postby Othelos » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:14 pm

REALIZING that while Freedom of Marriage Act increases personal civil liberties, it prevents the governments of nations from determining, within their own moral and ethical structure, as to what is an appropriate marriage and what is not;


Too bad. Marriage equality is fair.

FURTHERMORE STATING that this Resolution shall not be construed as an invasion on personal rights, but rather a determination to entrust marriage not to the individual alone, but to the nations as a whole, who shall, within their own good conscience, determine marriage as they see it, not as the majority-vote of the World Assembly saw it in the Freedom of Marriage Act;


The government shouldn't have a say as to what consenting adults do with their own lives. If someone is opposed to a non-heterosexual and/or monogamous marriage, then they won't get one. There's no reason to force other people to comply with others' preferences on this topic.

RECOGNIZING that the Freedom of Marriage Act does not represent polygamous marriage as well, and essentially defines marriage as monogamous, which, though many nations agree with this, a significant amount of nations have already pledged support for polygamous marriage;


The act doesn't bar polygamous marriage, so it doesn't need to be repealed to address the topic.
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Postby Lumeau » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:59 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I should have expected this from the beginning," commented the Archeuland ambassador. "It's clear that there is no respect for Christian values in this assembly..."


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Postby Othelos » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:15 am

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I should have expected this from the beginning," commented the Archeuland ambassador. "It's clear that there is no respect for Christian values in this assembly..."

Christian values? That's silly. Christianity has done just fine over the past 2000 years before bible literalists came along.

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Postby Hirota » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:10 am

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I should have expected this from the beginning," commented the Archeuland ambassador. "It's clear that there is no respect for Christian values in this assembly..."
Why should we care about Christian values any more than the diverse values of several other religions, beliefs peoples, nations and cultures?

Christianity hasn't justified any special treatment in these halls, and moaning about it will not help your cause either.
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Postby Jarish Inyo » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:53 am

My question would be why should any nation controlled by a theocracy be forced to accept certain types of marriages?
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Postby Hirota » Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:09 am

Jarish Inyo wrote:My question would be why should any nation controlled by a theocracy be forced to accept certain types of marriages?
This isn't an original question, we've had nations ask it before. It's the World Assembly determined that it was more important to protect the human rights of individuals than pander to certain types of governments.
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Postby Defwa » Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:45 am

Jarish Inyo wrote:My question would be why should any nation controlled by a theocracy be forced to accept certain types of marriages?

The same reason the Wizards of Defwa don't enslave their subjects anymore.
It's not right.
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