Cup of Harmony 46 - Delaclava & Virabia Bid

[Delaclava]

DELACLAVA & VIRABIA
CUP OF HARMONY 46

ENTRY: The minimum is one roleplay, although the roleplay must show effort and quality, rather than a mere attempt to gain entry into the tournament. The roleplay must be posted by the nation seeking entrance into the Cup of Harmony. Teams eliminated in both the Zonal and Interzonal Stages that meet the requirement will be invited. The roleplay requirement must be fulfilled by the last matchday in the Interzonal Stage. If you do not receive an invitation and feel that you should, let us know and we'll look into it.

FORMAT: The format will be very straightforward - it will be a group stage, followed by a knockout. Although numbers aren't set yet, teams will play each other twice if there are groups of 4 or 5 and once if there are groups with more than 5 teams.

Points will be first, followed by goal differential, H2H result, and H2H goal differential, wins, and if the tie still cannot be broken, a one game playoff. If a playoff does occur, it will not be counted for KPB purposes.

Post-qualifying ranks, if they are published, will be used.

SCORINATION: Vephrall's NSFS3.0.1 will be used to scorinate. Virabia will scorinate his groups at 2300-000 EST, and Delaclava will scorinate at 2100-2200 EST.

RP: Roleplay will be graded on respect for other RPers, effort/overall quality, creativity, revealing new information (i.e. i don't want to see stuff that I can find in the scores or in the rosters), etc. RPs can earn a maximum of 2 KPB points per day, and will never degrade. Multiple RPs for one matchday will be treated as one score and will be given a grade based on the overall quality for that day.

EXPERIENCE: Virabia has hosted Cup of Peace I, Baptism of Fire 39, and the Southham-Vonghurst Cycling Classic. Delaclava has hosted the 44th Cup of Harmony, 7th International Basketball Championships, 11th World Bowl, 4th Baptism of Iron, 2nd Quidditch World Cup, Valhalla Skating Grand Prix, five Scott Cups, Quinniville Carpet Championships (Tennis), Three Rivers Classic (Athletics), 5th Commonwealth Cup, and 1st Phoenix Cup.

[Sarzonia]

As someone who has participated in most of Delaclava's hosted tournaments, I heartily endorse this hosting bid!

[Qazox]

Are there any plans to have a set number of mininum teams to invite? Just asking because a few Zonal-eliminated teams might have lost interest and the numbers might not be as high as it might have been a week ago.

[Erathore]

I support this bid.

[Newmanistan]

The roleplay must be posted by the nation seeking entrance into the Cup of Harmony.

Props for addressing this, to me, critical issue in your bid. Your bid is fine. It has my support; I think I can vote again now but have to clarify that in the discussion thread. Delaclava is a fine host.

Now... for Virabia: This is constructive criticism and something I have said to others in the same circumstances, including at one time to Delaclava. I know you can scorinate a tournament and evaluate RP's and do the duties of a host. There is something else I value highly: Whether or not you've earned the privilege. By that, I am essentially saying I would like to see you RP more and not just try to host things. If it is the only bid, it won't stop me from voting for you. If you have a competitor with a similar bid I am always going to favor the person who actively RP's more. That would be my mindset in a competition like this. I know a few others who think this way as well. Like I said I offer this as advice for you. Take it or leave it, just be aware that this factors in the mind of a few (at least) voters.

[The Andromeda Islands]

Although the Andromeda Islands did poorly in IBC7 (mostly our fault) and have no desire to participate in the Cup of Harmony (both Andromeda and Delaclava may enter WC 54 from the same group), we wholeheartedly support Delaclava's bid for the Cup of Harmony.

[Delaclava]

Are there any plans to have a set number of mininum teams to invite? Just asking because a few Zonal-eliminated teams might have lost interest and the numbers might not be as high as it might have been a week ago.

No set number, it really all depends on how many are eligible (which I'll start determining soon) and how many accept. If this bid is selected, I plan on sending TGs for those who might have fallen out of the habit of frequenting the Sports forum but may still be interested, but admittedly what you mention is a risk we run with this particular CoH.

[The Babbage Islands]

As co-host of the World Cup in progress, I will stand back from the endorsement process. But I wish you well with your bid, and hope for a speedy resolution so we can get a good field. (I share the concern about already-eliminated nations.)

[Virabia]

Whether or not you've earned the privilege. By that, I am essentially saying I would like to see you RP more and not just try to host things. If it is the only bid, it won't stop me from voting for you. If you have a competitor with a similar bid I am always going to favor the person who actively RP's more. That would be my mindset in a competition like this. I know a few others who think this way as well. Like I said I offer this as advice for you. Take it or leave it, just be aware that this factors in the mind of a few (at least) voters.

What leads you to say I'm not an active RPer. I've actively rped in the V Winter Olympiad the Cup of Peace, the 51st World Cup and now the ASWC as well as the most recent Rugby World Cup. I have not (as you said) just jumped in to hosting. Granted, is my rp history as extensive as others no. Did I take a break for a while, yes. But to say that I'm not a qualified host...or a competent rper is a false notion in my opinion

[Swartaz]

I endorse this bid.

[Legalese]

Just a comment and some quick questions:

First, regarding Virabia's activity: considering that hosting and RPing are two completely different things, I would argue that not RPing is not a problem for hosting, provided that Virabia is demonstrably active and does not otherwise compete in the CoH.

That said, my questions for the hosts are:

1) Will you be using the points-based or the sequential-based formula from NSFS? If the former, what will be the Max Points setting that you will use?

2) I cannot recall a situation where a past host of any WCC tournament (BoF, CoH, or the WC) has not been an active WC participant at the time, which would be the case if this bid is successful. This would certainly be enough to add on the the doubts about this bid. How would you allay these concerns, especially if a competing bid containing two currently active WC users comes about?

[Delaclava]

Just a comment and some quick questions:

First, regarding Virabia's activity: considering that hosting and RPing are two completely different things, I would argue that not RPing is not a problem for hosting, provided that Virabia is demonstrably active and does not otherwise compete in the CoH.

That said, my questions for the hosts are:

1) Will you be using the points-based or the sequential-based formula from NSFS? If the former, what will be the Max Points setting that you will use?

2) I cannot recall a situation where a past host of any WCC tournament (BoF, CoH, or the WC) has not been an active WC participant at the time, which would be the case if this bid is successful. This would certainly be enough to add on the the doubts about this bid. How would you allay these concerns, especially if a competing bid containing two currently active WC users comes about?

1) Points-based. The maxpoints will be the max of the KPB formula (69) plus 2 * however many matchdays there will be in the tournament (which will be determined when we have set numbers).

2) To answer your question with a question: what would be your and others' concerns about a host not being an active WC participant?

[Legalese]

2) To answer your question with a question: what would be your and others' concerns about a host not being an active WC participant?

To be fair, I don't have a vote in this one, and I highly suspect the situation depends on the voting situation (i.e., the total number/quality of the bids in question), but one thing that is considered is active involvement. For what I said about activity, the situation has (and correct me if I'm wrong, please) never been done with a country that is not an actual participant in the WC cycle for which they are hosting. Heck, even Daehanjaeguk was going to re-enter if his hosting bid was successful this time around.

Again, it's not something that I suspect will be an automatic no-go for most voters, but it's still something that is arguably a negative, and is worthy of a response.

[Sarzonia]

I can only speak for myself, but participation in sports RPs suggests a level of commitment to NS Sports as a whole and to the sport in particular. Someone who signs up and doesn't RP very much hasn't demonstrated that he or she will be a reliable host. Now, granted, a host vote is a crap shoot no matter what. Even the most experienced host can crap out all of a sudden. But the chances of someone with a strong track record crapping out seem to be less than they would be with someone we don't know much about.

I have every confidence that you will do a fine job as host, and that you could take over those duties solo if need be. However, trusting someone who hasn't done much visible to the community with the task of hosting a tournament is a lot to ask.

I'm not suggesting that Virabia couldn't do the task. I just think we need to see a bit more demonstrated commitment to contributing to the community before all reasonable doubts are removed.

[Cosumar]

I've read over the bid and all of the comments, so I think I'll throw in my two cents here.
Everything looks good, as far as the bid itself.

As for the hosts, I have participated in events hosted by both Delaclava and Virabia and I can attest that they are both fine hosts.
I do not have objections pertaining to Virabia's ability as a host or RPer as others seem to, I just find it odd that the Cup of Harmony may be held in a nation that is not participating in the World Cup.

I know that if this is the winning bid, everything will go smoothly. However, if two World Cup-active nations were to bid, that factor may sway my vote.

[Chunnan]

How do I join the cup? I want to play in it.

[Saugeais]

How do I join the cup? I want to play in it.

You needed to have competed in the previous World Cup and fail to make the finals I believe. So if you didn't do that, you have to wait for the next Cup cycle.

[Cosumar]

How do I join the cup? I want to play in it.

You must to have competed in World Cup 54 and failed to qualify to compete in the Cup of Harmony.
EDIT: I see Saugeais beat me to it. Anyways, look for World Cup 55 signups in a month or so, more or less.

[Virabia]

I've read over the bid and all of the comments, so I think I'll throw in my two cents here.
Everything looks good, as far as the bid itself.

As for the hosts, I have participated in events hosted by both Delaclava and Virabia and I can attest that they are both fine hosts.
I do not have objections pertaining to Virabia's ability as a host or RPer as others seem to, I just find it odd that the Cup of Harmony may be held in a nation that is not participating in the World Cup.

I know that if this is the winning bid, everything will go smoothly. However, if two World Cup-active nations were to bid, that factor may sway my vote.

I'd think the fact that I'm not in the WC would help things. I hold no grudges, so I'd think that would make my hosting even more unbiased. I do understand where your concern comes from though

[Cosumar]

I've read over the bid and all of the comments, so I think I'll throw in my two cents here.
Everything looks good, as far as the bid itself.

As for the hosts, I have participated in events hosted by both Delaclava and Virabia and I can attest that they are both fine hosts.
I do not have objections pertaining to Virabia's ability as a host or RPer as others seem to, I just find it odd that the Cup of Harmony may be held in a nation that is not participating in the World Cup.

I know that if this is the winning bid, everything will go smoothly. However, if two World Cup-active nations were to bid, that factor may sway my vote.

I'd think the fact that I'm not in the WC would help things. I hold no grudges, so I'd think that would make my hosting even more unbiased. I do understand where your concern comes from though

That is one way of looking at it. But people will ask the question, 'why should I vote a non-WC nation as host for a WCC tournament?' It's a valid concern and although it is really not that big of a deal, and I still support this bid, it is an aspect that could turn away potential voters. Anyways, it seems likely that no one else will bid for CoH 46, so good luck!

[Virabia]

I'd think the fact that I'm not in the WC would help things. I hold no grudges, so I'd think that would make my hosting even more unbiased. I do understand where your concern comes from though

That is one way of looking at it. But people will ask the question, 'why should I vote a non-WC nation as host for a WCC tournament?' It's a valid concern and although it is really not that big of a deal, and I still support this bid, it is an aspect that could turn away potential voters. Anyways, it seems likely that no one else will bid for CoH 46, so good luck!

Well, to clarify. I am a WC nation. Just not in this cycle, and it is my full intention to return for WCLV. Still, I do understand that sentiment and know where it comes from.

[Chunnan]

Support this bid!

[Sarzonia]

Well, to clarify. I am a WC nation. Just not in this cycle, and it is my full intention to return for WCLV. Still, I do understand that sentiment and know where it comes from.

That doesn't answer the question why we should vote for you since you're not competing in the current World Cup cycle.

The fact that you're sitting out this World Cup means you should be making an extra effort to assuage the concerns of those who wonder about your suitability as a host. Fact is, you're not doing it.

[Virabia]

Well, to clarify. I am a WC nation. Just not in this cycle, and it is my full intention to return for WCLV. Still, I do understand that sentiment and know where it comes from.

That doesn't answer the question why we should vote for you since you're not competing in the current World Cup cycle.

The fact that you're sitting out this World Cup means you should be making an extra effort to assuage the concerns of those who wonder about your suitability as a host. Fact is, you're not doing it.

Nor was it ever really meant to. As for why you'd vote for me despite that I'm not in the current WC cycle (I'm sleepy so bare with me)

To me: I've begun to notice that hosting and RPing are two different yet related Animals. Granted you must do well with one to earn the other but, I've done that. I've already hosted two minor events and one WCC sanctioned event. So it's not like I haven't been entrusted with the duty before.

Now going back to my earlier analogy of animals. The skillset required for hosting is a rather universal. Whether I'm hosting hockey, cycling or football (in my case I've only hosted football (and cycling) it boils down to the same things. I grade rps, which may differ in content but, the whole judging process is the same, plug numbers into a program which I've used many times for domestic leagues and then put out the scores. I'm also to ensure that things run smoothly and preferably, I should provide some IC flair for the contestants. Which I fully intend to do, and if I have the time, and the some competitors have the resolve I've even thought about possibly doing a story line to further provide a rich RP environment.

Like I said, these skills are necessary regardless of what your hosting and anyone with them could in theory host any event. Whether or not I participated in the most recent WC should have no impact on that. Granted, I am aware that my hiatus from the game is the other concern. Some of you may be afraid that I'll drop the game in the middle of hosting the tournament. Well, I'd like to assure you that I'm not that low. When I dropped the game last (mostly due to school), I wasn't hosting anything and in the highly unlikely event that I leave again soon (I'm not that close to burnout yet), I would NOT do it when I'm hosting. I would wait until I finish the tournament to ensure that my departure would only really effect me and no one else.

Anyways, I hope that I have addressed some of your concerns on why I think I'm a competent host and how my non participation in this WC cycle shouldn't have an impact on my ability to host this tournament.

If you still have issues feel free to let them be known though!