NSCAA Discussion thread

[Chromatika]

Cutoff will be delayed until tonight due to unforeseen familial commitments. My apologies

[Drawkland]

Man, Valanora beat me to the post tonight. Usually I post first.

[Valanora]

I figured out a quicker way to code the results a MD or two ago and I didn't have anything going on, so I was able to cutoff a little earlier than normal.

[Frenline Delpha]

My cut-off will be later today due to my brother'ss swimming lessons.

[Drawkland]

Man, both the champions of my conferences were "V-" nations. How weird is that?

[Frenline Delpha]

My cut-off will be later tonight. Got some personal business to attend to.

[Chromatika]

My cut-off will be later tonight. Got some personal business to attend to.

Same.

[Valanora]

Due to unforeseen obligations, all my conferences will have their tournaments scorinated in full tomorrow.

[Drawkland]

So since the tournament is coming up, how is the seeding for the bracket as far as conference champions going to work? And also, how will the scorination go down?

[San Llera]

For the sake of organization, I have compiled a ranking of NSCAA teams, and I thought I'd share it. I included each team with at least 13 wins. The only exceptions to this rule were Hankow Commerce and Loyola University @ Istria of the Balor Conference, who only played 20 games each. Obviously, this is not the only tool you should use in selecting at-large bids, and it does not take into account conference tournaments, but it is helpful nonetheless.

Teams in bold have won their conference tournament and have an automatic berth. Of course, let me know if I have made any mistakes. I apologize for the horrid formatting, but I'm not exactly sure how to fix it.

1 Sadeg State University (DRK) 22 22 0 1959 1420 +539 44
1 St. Joseph's College 22 21 1 1915 1445 +470 21
1 Arten Eastern University 22 21 1 1894 1427 +467 63
1 Corinth City University 22 21 1 1876 1486 +390
1 Emperor State University 22 21 1 1856 1511 +345 21
1 University of Ceni-Santiago (CEN) 22 20 2 1982 1437 +545 40
1 College of the Air Force 22 20 2 1912 1430 +482 20
2 Chromatik City College University 22 20 2 1894 1422 +472 60
1 Overglade University 22 20 2 1969 1524 +445 60
1 University of Ice Peak 22 20 2 1881 1466 +415 60
1 Technical College of Vangaziland 22 20 2 1870 1481 +389 60
2 Cemmendy Tech 22 20 2 1803 1464 +339 20
1 Southpoint Technical College 22 19 3 1964 1425 +539 57
2 Blue Coast University (VNG) 22 19 3 1949 1417 +532 19
2 Elmanden District College 22 19 3 1934 1449 +485 57
1 Whitehaven Naval Academy (CEN) 22 19 3 1877 1503 +374 19
2 Vietussia Agricultural and Mechanical (UNV) 22 19 3 1878 1521 +357 38
1 University of Auster 22 19 3 1834 1513 +321
1 Depri Sanar University 22 19 3 1875 1565 +310
1 Pur State University 20 19 1 1720 1414 +306 57
1 Imperial Military Academy 22 19 3 1814 1567 +247
3 Prescott School 22 18 4 1874 1497 +377 54
2 Centralis University 22 18 4 1832 1498 +334 54
2 Hankow Community College (UNV) 22 18 4 1882 1565 +317 36
1 Cthulhu Education and Preparednss College 22 18 4 1824 1510 +314
1 Oigrad University 22 18 4 1806 1495 +311 54
2 University of Somer 22 18 4 1811 1569 +242 54
1 University of New Oxford 22 18 4 1738 1497 +241
2 National Electrum University 22 18 4 1781 1584 +197
2 Equatorolio National University 22 18 4 1688 1491 +197
3 San Llera University of Linguistics 22 17 5 1781 1437 +344 51
1 University of Cenial 22 17 5 1810 1487 +323
3 University of Myana (CMT) 22 17 5 1830 1555 +275 34
2 Notamill College 22 17 5 1741 1480 +261 17
3 Metropolon City College 22 17 5 1769 1521 +248 17
2 Z'ai'ai University of Technology 22 17 5 1721 1473 +248 17
1 Deltan University for Agriculture 22 17 5 1805 1564 +241
2 Raynor University 22 17 5 1769 1532 +237
4 Alnio University of the Arts 22 17 5 1833 1633 +200 51
3 Territorial Institute 22 17 5 1708 1523 +185
2 Cryslis University 22 17 5 1728 1545 +183 51
1 University of Jackson 22 17 5 1779 1607 +172
3 Chromatik State University 22 16 6 1880 1490 +390 48
2 Oigrad Community College 22 16 6 1785 1571 +214 48
2 Vietussia Academy 22 16 6 1775 1564 +211
2 Martin Wiley University 22 16 6 1753 1552 +201
1 Drawk Corps University 22 16 6 1682 1489 +193
2 Nova Ascea College 22 16 6 1748 1576 +172
3 Marshland University 22 16 6 1714 1574 +140 48
1 Shibusen School 24 16 8 1889 1751 +138
3 Conquerer's Academy 22 16 6 1751 1618 +133
2 Depri Lanar University 24 16 8 1871 1744 +127
3 Prune Juice Making Institute of Gregoryisgodistan 24 16 8 1846 1742 +104
3 Universidad Chavez (NCS) 22 15 7 1848 1574 +274 30
3 University of the Wetlands (SAN) 22 15 7 1755 1572 +183 15
2 University of Emesamie 22 15 7 1730 1554 +176
4 University of Bloodbenderopolis-Invierno 22 15 7 1687 1525 +162
3 Universidad Bolivarianos de Caracas 22 15 7 1704 1555 +149
4 Universidad Central de Venezuela 22 15 7 1717 1588 +129 15
4 James Marasigan University 24 15 9 1848 1721 +127

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4 University of Owner-osity 22 15 7 1760 1670 +90 45
3 Oppidum College 22 15 7 1709 1621 +88
3 Joyoyo Akanegaoka College 22 15 7 1671 1616 +55
4 University of Hondo 22 15 7 1706 1659 +47 45
3 The University of Aurora 22 15 7 1660 1621 +39 15
3 San Llera University of Mathematics 22 14 8 1838 1561 +277 42
2 Port Grenville College of Arts 20 14 6 1642 1412 +230 42
3 Instituto Universitario Politecnico de Carabobo 22 14 8 1772 1562 +210
5 Universite Franco-Coreene d'Altamira 22 14 8 1736 1544 +192 42
5 Ole Busko 22 14 8 1735 1566 +169
6 Tallahassee Central Community College 22 14 8 1701 1548 +153 42
4 University of the West of Ethane (ETN) 22 14 8 1726 1588 +138 28
3 Turbani Tech 22 14 8 1747 1624 +123
2 Hamilton Institute of Technology 22 14 8 1768 1656 +112
4 University of Parougan 22 14 8 1745 1654 +91
4 UniAnge 22 14 8 1675 1585 +90
3 Ownerism's Academy of Evil 22 14 8 1729 1642 +87 42
2 Juvo University 22 14 8 1695 1617 +78
5 Mar Sara Tech 22 14 8 1791 1716 +75 42
4 Hirot College 22 14 8 1661 1587 +74 42
4 Vietussia Academy at Oigrad 22 14 8 1767 1694 +73 42
4 Kainan College (ANM) 22 14 8 1750 1685 +65 28
5 Ramusok Capital University at Holmenkollen 22 14 8 1742 1690 +52 425
3 Olympia Hills Elite College 22 14 8 1723 1673 +50 14
4 Minkah University (YOS) 22 14 8 1641 1601 +40 14
3 San Llera University of Physiology 22 13 9 1711 1541 +170
4 University of Ceni 22 13 9 1768 1623 +145
2 San Llera University of Biology 22 13 9 1787 1669 +118
5 San Llera University of Agriculture 22 13 9 1721 1616 +105 13
4 Dyno-Ryo College 22 13 9 1721 1617 +104 13
4 Cal-Hopkins University 22 13 9 1716 1613 +103 13
5 University of Klyde (COS) 22 13 9 1717 1635 +82 26
4 Kaimei University 22 13 9 1695 1624 +71
3 Illara West 22 13 9 1729 1670 +59
4 Southern University 22 13 9 1707 1663 +44
3 Stoneshore College 22 13 9 1662 1626 +36
4 Unite University 22 13 9 1709 1679 +30 39
5 Arkania University 22 13 9 1708 1685 +23
6 Gregoryisawesome University 22 13 9 1677 1658 +19 39
5 Ramusok Capital University (COS) 22 13 9 1646 1629 +17 13
5 The University of SAH of Ethane 22 13 9 1708 1694 +14
4 Thereisnogodistan Community College 22 13 9 1640 1637 +3
6 Fleftic Military Academy (AFT) 22 13 9 1698 1711 −13 26
3 Hankow Commerce 20 12 8 1592 1456 +136 36
4 Loyola University @ Istria 20 12 8 1547 1486 +61 36

[Drawkland]

For the sake of organization, I have compiled a ranking of NSCAA teams, and I thought I'd share it. I included each team with at least 13 wins. The only exceptions to this rule were Hankow Commerce and Loyola University @ Istria of the Balor Conference, who only played 20 games each. Obviously, this is not the only tool you should use in selecting at-large bids, and it does not take into account conference tournaments, but it is helpful nonetheless.

Teams in bold have won their conference tournament and have an automatic berth. Of course, let me know if I have made any mistakes. I apologize for the horrid formatting, but I'm not exactly sure how to fix it.

You are a blessing.

You could probably fix the formatting using [pre] tags. It'd require some tweaking with spaces, but it'd be legible at least.

Anyway though, good work on this. Hopefully this'll help a lot of the hosts who have a hard time filling in their lists (me included). Also a note (even though most people probably already now) that 5 conferences have yet to be chosen, so there's still 5 names on there that will be bolded by tomorrow night (or whatever time of day it ends up being where you live).

[San Llera]

For the sake of organization, I have compiled a ranking of NSCAA teams, and I thought I'd share it. I included each team with at least 13 wins. The only exceptions to this rule were Hankow Commerce and Loyola University @ Istria of the Balor Conference, who only played 20 games each. Obviously, this is not the only tool you should use in selecting at-large bids, and it does not take into account conference tournaments, but it is helpful nonetheless.

Teams in bold have won their conference tournament and have an automatic berth. Of course, let me know if I have made any mistakes. I apologize for the horrid formatting, but I'm not exactly sure how to fix it.

You could probably fix the formatting using [pre] tags. It'd require some tweaking with spaces, but it'd be legible at least.

I've tried that, but it did not help matters. Regardless, thank you for the encouragement.

[Chromatika]

The reason that pre-coding doesn't work is because there were conferences with teams containing many letters in their names, and others that didn't. So, all the spacing is off. Also, some people included the trigrammes and others did not.

I may try to modify the table so that it looks all nice. Maybe.

[Banija]

And my scorination from last night must be pushed back to tonight. I apologize profusely for the inconvenience.

[NSCAA]

So since the tournament is coming up, how is the seeding for the bracket as far as conference champions going to work? And also, how will the scorination go down?

Seeding will be done by me using a combination of the following factors:
> A team's win-loss record
> The amount of RP submitted by the school's user
> The school's rank in the selection process, if applicable.

There will likely be divided into 4 regions, each with 2 (or 3?) hosts who will take the early rounds on. Then we'll start whittling down the hosts as we get to the Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight. There will also likely be a small RP bonus degradation, maybe 25%, for the Ultra 64.

[Chromatika]

Whose RP bonus? Everyone uses different scales and stuff

[NSCAA]

Whose RP bonus? Everyone uses different scales and stuff

... Good question. Likely we'll end up having our same conference hosts continue through hosting regionals, so that RP bonus can remain constant at least, and we'll start transferring as the field gets whittled down.

Some other points:
1. Now that we have all of our automatic qualifiers, I will now be taking lists of at-large berths. These ranked lists will be due this Saturday, May 7, at 4:00 PM Central Time, and I should have the results and seeding by next Monday, May 9.
2. We have 9 hosts that have hosted conferences; my plan is to have each host (except myself) take a slice of regionals, with the number getting whittled down to more experienced hosts as the schedule gets down. Unless you can't, in which please TG me. Ceni will be hosting the final four but I will get an outside scorinator should one of my teams go that far.

[Drawkland]

Won't the Silver Conference Semifinals and Finals have to be rescorinated, since Valanora accidentally advanced a losing team from Quarterfinals onward?

[Chromatika]

Won't the Silver Conference Semifinals and Finals have to be rescorinated, since Valanora accidentally advanced a losing team from Quarterfinals onward?

Which team? I can't seem to find this.

[Drawkland]

Won't the Silver Conference Semifinals and Finals have to be rescorinated, since Valanora accidentally advanced a losing team from Quarterfinals onward?

Which team? I can't seem to find this.

It seems to have been fixed several minutes ago.

[Valanora]

This is an example of one of xkoranate's few flaws, no suitable Cup/Bracket scorination. Apparently I selected the wrong team when setting up the Semifinals of the Silver Conference. Though West Phoenicia should not have posted in the results thread, given they are not a host.

[Drawkland]

This is an example of one of xkoranate's few flaws, no suitable Cup/Bracket scorination. Apparently I selected the wrong team when setting up the Semifinals of the Silver Conference. Though West Phoenicia should not have posted in the results thread, given they are not a host.

Yeah, rather a faux pas, but the point got across.

If CH is ever going to update xkoranate again, that should be one of the proposed features.

[Banija]

Whose RP bonus? Everyone uses different scales and stuff

... Good question. Likely we'll end up having our same conference hosts continue through hosting regionals, so that RP bonus can remain constant at least, and we'll start transferring as the field gets whittled down.

Some other points:
1. Now that we have all of our automatic qualifiers, I will now be taking lists of at-large berths. These ranked lists will be due this Saturday, May 7, at 4:00 PM Central Time, and I should have the results and seeding by next Monday, May 9.
2. We have 9 hosts that have hosted conferences; my plan is to have each host (except myself) take a slice of regionals, with the number getting whittled down to more experienced hosts as the schedule gets down. Unless you can't, in which please TG me. Ceni will be hosting the final four but I will get an outside scorinator should one of my teams go that far.

I think we've missed the fundamental problem. We've all used different scales(at least I haven't coordinated with anybody on my RP scale nor have I seen anybody else talk about their own scale) so the RP bonuses can't possibly transfer well at all. Then there are things like nations having multiple schools scorinated by multiple conferences, so the scores I have for Vangaziland(Imperial Military Academy), for example, could be completely different than what somebody else has for Vangaziland's schools.

I propose the following: We completely reset our RP bonus for the tournament. Everybody's goes back down to 0. Then we assign a skill level(similar to the KPB rankings) for every single school based on their final 1-64 seeding, and then the NSCAA President sets a common scale for everybody to use for the tournament. That way, RP bonuses transfer cleanly down the line, and people are still rewarded for their RPs(and for the winning) they did during the season in the form of the ranking.

[Drawkland]

... Good question. Likely we'll end up having our same conference hosts continue through hosting regionals, so that RP bonus can remain constant at least, and we'll start transferring as the field gets whittled down.

Some other points:
1. Now that we have all of our automatic qualifiers, I will now be taking lists of at-large berths. These ranked lists will be due this Saturday, May 7, at 4:00 PM Central Time, and I should have the results and seeding by next Monday, May 9.
2. We have 9 hosts that have hosted conferences; my plan is to have each host (except myself) take a slice of regionals, with the number getting whittled down to more experienced hosts as the schedule gets down. Unless you can't, in which please TG me. Ceni will be hosting the final four but I will get an outside scorinator should one of my teams go that far.

I think we've missed the fundamental problem. We've all used different scales(at least I haven't coordinated with anybody on my RP scale nor have I seen anybody else talk about their own scale) so the RP bonuses can't possibly transfer well at all. Then there are things like nations having multiple schools scorinated by multiple conferences, so the scores I have for Vangaziland(Imperial Military Academy), for example, could be completely different than what somebody else has for Vangaziland's schools.

I propose the following: We completely reset our RP bonus for the tournament. Everybody's goes back down to 0. Then we assign a skill level(similar to the KPB rankings) for every single school based on their final 1-64 seeding, and then the NSCAA President sets a common scale for everybody to use for the tournament. That way, RP bonuses transfer cleanly down the line, and people are still rewarded for their RPs(and for the winning) they did during the season in the form of the ranking.

I feel like the bonus, if implemented in this way, should be more curved rather than linear. It's likely that the top seeded schools (say, the top 32 or 24) are owned by nations that have been doing the most RPing. Therefore, they should be given the most advantage on the scale. That's just my two cents though.

[Valanora]

A bonus reset would be good, though I think a ranking or bonus to X amount of teams would not be in the best interest of this tournament. And perhaps if the NSCAA is to continue on, then codifying things like tiebreakers and RP scale, making a rankings system that is *school* dependent and not nation dependent should be on the cards between this edition and the next, much like the NSCF. It will help keep things more even throughout entire process.