General Sports Roleplaying Questions (OOC)

[Xedania]

If we make up a sport, do we have to create a scorinator to go along with it, or let those who wish to host create the scorinators?

Well, it would really help if you created a scorinator to go along with it. If the sport is interesting enoug, people may join it. So, if you plan to try a sport that isn't in xkoranate, you'll probably ned to either ask someone to create it or create it yourself.

Secondary question: What in the World Assembly does "xkoranate" mean??? Also, how does one create a scorinator?

[Barunia]

Well, it would really help if you created a scorinator to go along with it. If the sport is interesting enoug, people may join it. So, if you plan to try a sport that isn't in xkoranate, you'll probably ned to either ask someone to create it or create it yourself.

Secondary question: What in the World Assembly does "xkoranate" mean??? Also, how does one create a scorinator?

Well, unless you have experience writing java script or a programming language, then the easiest way to create a scorinator is to use excel or anther spreadsheet program.

Xkoronate is a scorinator program that is used a lot on thses forums. It has a lot of sports already programmed in to it.

[Saintland]

Secondary question: What in the World Assembly does "xkoranate" mean??? Also, how does one create a scorinator?

Well, unless you have experience writing java script or a programming language, then the easiest way to create a scorinator is to use excel or anther spreadsheet program.

Xkoronate is a scorinator program that is used a lot on thses forums. It has a lot of sports already programmed in to it.

Actually, the easiest way to create a scorinator for a new sport is to modify an .xml file already included with xkoranate. An even easier alternative is to just use an existing scorinator that produces appropriate results. The purpose of the scorinator is to produce a set of plausible results that can be RPed so as long as the results make sense for the sport (and the 3Rs are well balanced), what the sport is called by xkoranate doesn't actually matter.

[Starblaydia]

Well, it would really help if you created a scorinator to go along with it. If the sport is interesting enoug, people may join it. So, if you plan to try a sport that isn't in xkoranate, you'll probably ned to either ask someone to create it or create it yourself.

Secondary question: What in the World Assembly does "xkoranate" mean??? Also, how does one create a scorinator?

"Xkora" is the Resjitanian (4x Football World Champions) word for "Goal", so essentially you Goalinate when you scorinate in Xkoranate.

The more you know...

[Xedania]

Final questions. How would one go about creating a scorinator for their sport? Is there a certain format one should use to make it easy to use and understand? And how does a scorinator actually work?

[Elykyellek]

Would there be any interest in a WFTDA (Women's Flat Track Derby Association) style event, or Co-ed and domestic roller derby leagues? Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a scorinator for it right now.

I would be very interested in a WFTDA event!

[Alta Italia]

I saw someone had images of kits (uniforms), and I thought they were really cool. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a way to make kits online. Can anyone help me out? Thanks in advance.

[Barunia]

Search the forum for kitmakers, or try searching for JMC or Meski (the only kitmakers who I can think of at the moment that are active - I might have missed somebody)

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Final questions. How would one go about creating a scorinator for their sport? Is there a certain format one should use to make it easy to use and understand? And how does a scorinator actually work?

The files in xkoronate can be modified if you know xml, though of course you should save it under a new name first or you lose the existing one. Alternatively, you can use an existing scorinator that produces reasonable scores - the baseball scorinator was used for beach soccer for many years until Saintland wrote one for it.

[Frenline Delpha]

Final questions. How would one go about creating a scorinator for their sport? Is there a certain format one should use to make it easy to use and understand? And how does a scorinator actually work?

The files in xkoronate can be modified if you know xml, though of course you should save it under a new name first or you lose the existing one. Alternatively, you can use an existing scorinator that produces reasonable scores - the baseball scorinator was used for beach soccer for many years until Saintland wrote one for it.

A great example of modifying certain xkoronate files is Drawkland's 7ball tournament.

[Drawkland]

The files in xkoronate can be modified if you know xml, though of course you should save it under a new name first or you lose the existing one. Alternatively, you can use an existing scorinator that produces reasonable scores - the baseball scorinator was used for beach soccer for many years until Saintland wrote one for it.

A great example of modifying certain xkoronate files is Drawkland's 7ball tournament.

I also modified one to give marching band score results as well.

Honestly, I have zero XML knowledge, I just edited the files in notepad and figured out how they work on the fly. In other words, it's not really hard if you have a marginal understanding of what you're looking at.

[Ficiscia]

Here's an idea that struck me while writing my Olympics RP and I wanted to know if others think it's possible/good/etc. What if we constructed minor but long competitions in Olympic sports that don't get (much) attention outside the Olympics? What I mean by this is a competition that wouldn't require you to do anything more than sign up and would run over time like the FIS World Cup in skiing, and mainly serve as a RP source for the Olympics. The reason I got this idea is that to me, who likes skiing and snowboarding (same goes, for example, for cycling in the summer and I am sure a bunch of other sports too) it's very cool to have those sports at the Olympics, but it tends to be a little weird as a nation with not much Olympic legacy (or especially if you use a four year cycle IC'ly, for younger athletes) to explain why athlete X is supposed to be good as there is no other international competition. You can resort to national competition, but just because you are the Spanish champion in downhill skiing you're not necessarily good enough for Olympic stages IRL, and the same applies here. So here's my idea to fix that in a rough draft, with the example of alpine skiing:

The person who is in charge collects signups for hosting ("hosting" in this context could also mean pure IC hosting I think, or if you want it can also involve scorination) for skiing events, you can host everything from only a men's slalom to a full men and women program, creating a calendar like the RL's FIS World Cup. Nations can sign up athletes to it, and from that point it could be running more or less "on its own". There could be a race event every week, or every other week, depending on the number of events we can create. Rankings (I'd suggest using the method used in the RL equivalent if there is one for the beginning) would be updated regularly and serve as skill mods. So basically, nothing new in terms of the system I believe, and it wouldn't require much work for anyone, as the "idea" (or at least expectation) would be to make this not very RP focused. I wouldn't suggest banning RP from it, but keep bonuses low to not make it too much roleplay focused and give you a good chance to success even if you never RP in it, or just in the time between tournaments when you have nothing to do. Like this, we'd have a good way of naming favourites on another basis than national competition and give our Olympic athletes a bit more of an international background story besides the Games, and it's not too much work for the contestants.

Do you think this idea could work? It wouldn't necessarily have to be used for skiing, I just chose that because it's the sport that gave me the idea and there's something comparable in it in RL. Feel free to point out flaws in my thinking, or to tell me that already exists, or whatever else you think about the idea.

[Liventia]

It has been done before, certainly in alpine skiing. Alpine Skiing World Cup 1 World Cup 2

It's not a bad idea, but doesn't generate nearly enough interest compared to most other sports for most experienced hosts to bother running regularly.

[Southern Sunrise Islands]

I saw someone had images of kits (uniforms), and I thought they were really cool. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a way to make kits online. Can anyone help me out? Thanks in advance.

You could also try looking for actual football/soccer templates on Google or use Smart Shirt Designer, which I believe you can also find on a Google search.

[Fengjie]

Hi guys,

I've been playing NS for a long time but have only recently got into sports roleplaying. So I have a couple of questions:

How do you assign skill levels to the players in tournaments you host? Is it fair to rank them based on a census measurement (e.g. health, which is what I've been doing)? For previous untested/unranked players, what level of "skill" do you give them?

Thanks,
Fengjie

[Barunia]

Hi guys,

I've been playing NS for a long time but have only recently got into sports roleplaying. So I have a couple of questions:

How do you assign skill levels to the players in tournaments you host? Is it fair to rank them based on a census measurement (e.g. health, which is what I've been doing)? For previous untested/unranked players, what level of "skill" do you give them?

Thanks,
Fengjie

We avoid using gameside stats in NSSports, such as census information. Not evryone uses NS Stats, and the stats themselves are questionable anyway.

To answer your question, let me introduce you the three R's, that help determine the outcome. They are Rank, Roleplay (RP) and Random.

Random is fairly self-explanatory, and is the one thing you cannot control. Let's move on.

Rank is entered into the skill section of scorinators. It is a calculated bonus based on previous outcomes in the same tournament. For teams that have not previously participated, it is entirely fair to set it to 0, as participant will have the chance to win thanks to Random and our third R, RP.

Roleplay, or RP, bonus is a number given by the host to participants who RP on a specific matchday. The host judges each RP and gives it a score based on their criteria, which is then added into the skill section of the scorinator.

So there you have it. Hopefully that makes sense, if not just ask. Welcome to NS Sports.

[Ficiscia]

Hi guys,

I've been playing NS for a long time but have only recently got into sports roleplaying. So I have a couple of questions:

How do you assign skill levels to the players in tournaments you host? Is it fair to rank them based on a census measurement (e.g. health, which is what I've been doing)? For previous untested/unranked players, what level of "skill" do you give them?

Thanks,
Fengjie

We avoid using gameside stats in NSSports, such as census information. Not evryone uses NS Stats, and the stats themselves are questionable anyway.

To answer your question, let me introduce you the three R's, that help determine the outcome. They are Rank, Roleplay (RP) and Random.

Random is fairly self-explanatory, and is the one thing you cannot control. Let's move on.

Rank is entered into the skill section of scorinators. It is a calculated bonus based on previous outcomes in the same tournament. For teams that have not previously participated, it is entirely fair to set it to 0, as participant will have the chance to win thanks to Random and our third R, RP.

Roleplay, or RP, bonus is a number given by the host to participants who RP on a specific matchday. The host judges each RP and gives it a score based on their criteria, which is then added into the skill section of the scorinator.

So there you have it. Hopefully that makes sense, if not just ask. Welcome to NS Sports.

For certain tournaments (Olympics) there's also the possibility of those who sign up giving a certain skill from 1-100 (or whatever scale you wanna use), which are not allowed to go over a certain average, usually 50. I like this system for sports which are not just a single team with one skill, as that allows you to assume who may do well and who may not (and RP accordingly) or define your strengths, which is why I like it and use it for whatever I host. In my domestic hockey league, I have an excel sheet where every player has a skill assigned to him personally, and the average plus a bonus/malus based on previous results and storyline is the skill I use. Obviously, you don't wanna use such a complicated system for a international tournament cause how many people would bother with signing up, but if you want to do something domestic, that'd be a possibility too.

[Barunia]

What Ficiscia is talking about is usually reserved for tournaments where a nation has lots of participants forming members of a single team, (such as the Olympics), where as the method I was talking about is usually used in single sport international tournaments (like the football/soccer world cup). If you're using xkoronate and running an olympic-style event, it's best to use the bonus section to apply RP bonus.

[Vangaziland]

I saw someone had images of kits (uniforms), and I thought they were really cool. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a way to make kits online. Can anyone help me out? Thanks in advance.

This guy probably won't come back to see this, but if anyone else is wondering, the secret is 'screenshot'. You can find uniform maker apps on tablets or on google search. But they won't usually let you save pictures. Capture your screen, crop and resize.

[Barunia]

I saw someone had images of kits (uniforms), and I thought they were really cool. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a way to make kits online. Can anyone help me out? Thanks in advance.

This guy probably won't come back to see this, but if anyone else is wondering, the secret is 'screenshot'.

Sounds more like you think the secret is 'copyright theft'.

[Vangaziland]

I'm not using it for profit or misrepresenting the company. But nice job trying to troll me into an argument, just to feel morally superior about your NS choices.

People use pictures of things all the time. Is it copyright theft when someone uses a picture of a stadium, or some of these pictures of players or the thousands of copyright media images all over this site? Stop being petty.

[Ficiscia]

What Ficiscia is talking about is usually reserved for tournaments where a nation has lots of participants forming members of a single team, (such as the Olympics), where as the method I was talking about is usually used in single sport international tournaments (like the football/soccer world cup). If you're using xkoronate and running an olympic-style event, it's best to use the bonus section to apply RP bonus.

Thanks for clarification, I'm too tired for that ^^ I used it for my sixdays too, where the same athletes did various competitions that were added up. If you'd do a decathlon event, for example (which wouldn't make much sense as a standalone, but just for demo purpose), you could do that for each sport instead of having a single decathlon skill.

[Barunia]

I'm not using it for profit or misrepresenting the company. But nice job trying to troll me into an argument, just to feel morally superior about your NS choices.

People use pictures of things all the time. Is it copyright theft when someone uses a picture of a stadium, or some of these pictures of players or the thousands of copyright media images all over this site? Stop being petty.

If you think I'm trying to troll you, report it to moderation. But don't throw accusations around you're not prepared to back up. Also, you don't know me well enough to be able to make a judgement call on why I said what I did.

There is a difference between using images retrieved from a search engine (or images from a kitmaker you can save) and using a tool to deliberately circumvent an attempt to stop an image from being used. Sure, you can do it, but it's hardly the best solution, especially when there are people on this site who will make you a kit you can use free of charge.
There are plenty of options out there, and screenshotting images should not exactly be on the top of the list for new users to consider.

[Vangaziland]

The main reason you can't save images on a lot of them is because they are flash windows. It's not built in. But this isn't worth my time. Barunia, I don't care. Like I said before, stop being petty. It's so early in the morning and you'd rather act like a smart alec and make enemies rather than socialize. Also, how do you know which kit makers allow you to save pictures? I actually haven't found one yet. Some kitmakers I have seen here are the same ones I've saved from. But this will be the last message I have about this topic.

I also am not the kind of person who worries so much about the rights of billionaires or huge corporations. So if it bothers you, GOOD.

Not one other person on nationstates wants to read about this debate.

[Northern Sunrise Islands]

I saw someone had images of kits (uniforms), and I thought they were really cool. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a way to make kits online. Can anyone help me out? Thanks in advance.

This guy probably won't come back to see this, but if anyone else is wondering, the secret is 'screenshot'. You can find uniform maker apps on tablets or on google search. But they won't usually let you save pictures. Capture your screen, crop and resize.

Also got this handy little template I've made for my own Basketball League which I've retooled to do some stuff on the NSCAA side as well. If any of you want to tinker with it, feel free.