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Ontorisa wrote:Would anyone be up for a U17 Field Lacrosse tournament?

No. After you failed to complete the U18 Hockey Tournament, I don't think that's a very good idea.

Ontorisa wrote:

Gregoryisgodistan wrote:
Yeah, but why do we need a separate tournament when the main one doesn't even get much interest?

Who cares? People host tournaments outside of the governing body all of the time, regardless if the main thread gets interest or not.

And usually, they complete them too.

Please forgive me if I'm being abrupt, but I don't think you're in the position to start hosting new tournaments when you didn't complete the first one you started.

Semarland wrote:

Ontorisa wrote:Would anyone be up for a U17 Field Lacrosse tournament?

No. After you failed to complete the U18 Hockey Tournament, I don't think that's a very good idea.

Ontorisa wrote:
Who cares? People host tournaments outside of the governing body all of the time, regardless if the main thread gets interest or not.

And usually, they complete them too.

Please forgive me if I'm being abrupt, but I don't think you're in the position to start hosting new tournaments when you didn't complete the first one you started.

I did finish it though. I had a hard time completing it because of my schedule, but it's loosened up a bit.

Ontorisa wrote:

Semarland wrote:No. After you failed to complete the U18 Hockey Tournament, I don't think that's a very good idea.


And usually, they complete them too.

Please forgive me if I'm being abrupt, but I don't think you're in the position to start hosting new tournaments when you didn't complete the first one you started.

I did finish it though. I had a hard time completing it because of my schedule, but it's loosened up a bit.

Yeah, after several months of delays. And even after you restarted it, you still had two weeks of delays.

Gregoryisgodistan wrote:

Ontorisa wrote:
I did finish it though. I had a hard time completing it because of my schedule, but it's loosened up a bit.

Yeah, after several months of delays. And even after you restarted it, you still had two weeks of delays.

Life happens.

Ontorisa wrote:

Gregoryisgodistan wrote:
Yeah, after several months of delays. And even after you restarted it, you still had two weeks of delays.

Life happens.

Then you shouldn't host when that life happens.

Frenline Delpha wrote:

Ontorisa wrote:
Life happens.

Then you shouldn't host when that life happens.

Like I chose how I wanted my first hosting event went or how my life went

Some solid advice there bud.

Ontorisa wrote:

Gregoryisgodistan wrote:
Yeah, after several months of delays. And even after you restarted it, you still had two weeks of delays.

Life happens.

And? People offered to host the rest of it for you.

Semarland wrote:

Ontorisa wrote:
Life happens.

And? People offered to host the rest of it for you.

No one offered to host the rest of it.

Ontorisa wrote:

Semarland wrote:And? People offered to host the rest of it for you.

No one offered to host the rest of it.

Well ask for someone to do it for you?

The point is, you're not really going to get far on the hosting side of things if you just carelessly throw away tournaments and not be bothered with it.

Semarland wrote:

Ontorisa wrote:
No one offered to host the rest of it.

Well ask for someone to do it for you?

The point is, you're not really going to get far on the hosting side of things if you just carelessly throw away tournaments and not be bothered with it.

Oh no, I was trying to get it done, but it was a serious grind. I didn't realize how bad September was going to be until two days in when I had to stand at the doors of my school and welcome people back, tour new kids and basically had no break/time to post until the next week.

Anyways, the lacrosse thing wouldn't happen until my Christmas break, where I would have ~3-4 weeks of peacefulness to post.

Ontorisa wrote:

Semarland wrote:Well ask for someone to do it for you?

The point is, you're not really going to get far on the hosting side of things if you just carelessly throw away tournaments and not be bothered with it.

Oh no, I was trying to get it done, but it was a serious grind. I didn't realize how bad September was going to be until two days in when I had to stand at the doors of my school and welcome people back, tour new kids and basically had no break/time to post until the next week.

Anyways, the lacrosse thing wouldn't happen until my Christmas break, where I would have ~3-4 weeks of peacefulness to post.

But how do we know that you will keep up the torunament all the way through?

Frenline Delpha wrote:

Ontorisa wrote:
Oh no, I was trying to get it done, but it was a serious grind. I didn't realize how bad September was going to be until two days in when I had to stand at the doors of my school and welcome people back, tour new kids and basically had no break/time to post until the next week.

Anyways, the lacrosse thing wouldn't happen until my Christmas break, where I would have ~3-4 weeks of peacefulness to post.

But how do we know that you will keep up the torunament all the way through?

I'm expecting ~8 teams, which means that the tournament would only last a week or less if I don't do off-days. Easy peasy macaroni.

Ontorisa wrote:

Frenline Delpha wrote:But how do we know that you will keep up the torunament all the way through?

I'm expecting ~8 teams, which means that the tournament would only last a week or less if I don't do off-days. Easy peasy macaroni.

Still, you didn't keep your commitments for the only two tournaments (or two incarnations of the same tournament) you hosted. Why should we believe you this time?

Gregoryisgodistan wrote:

Ontorisa wrote:
I'm expecting ~8 teams, which means that the tournament would only last a week or less if I don't do off-days. Easy peasy macaroni.

Still, you didn't keep your commitments for the only two tournaments (or two incarnations of the same tournament) you hosted. Why should we believe you this time?

Obviously you don't have to join. I don't care who joins or whether if you trust me or not. Obviously you don't trust my hosting skills, so, don't join. Easy solution.

Ontorisa wrote:

Gregoryisgodistan wrote:
Still, you didn't keep your commitments for the only two tournaments (or two incarnations of the same tournament) you hosted. Why should we believe you this time?

Obviously you don't have to join. I don't care who joins or whether if you trust me or not. Obviously you don't trust my hosting skills, so, don't join. Easy solution.

Now that's rather unfair. Why should Greg (if he wants to) miss out on an event just because you can't do your job? I fail to see how tis would be his fault.

Frenline Delpha wrote:

Ontorisa wrote:
Obviously you don't have to join. I don't care who joins or whether if you trust me or not. Obviously you don't trust my hosting skills, so, don't join. Easy solution.

Now that's rather unfair. Why should Greg (if he wants to) miss out on an event just because you can't do your job? I fail to see how tis would be his fault.

Obviously you don't have to join either and I wasn't tossing the blame around, but I'm just saying, this whole "discussion" is because you, Greg, and a bunch of other people disliked the way how I chose my life over the IHT and then ripped at me for it. Just because I got sucker punched in the face by numerous jobs I had to participate in during the first two weeks of my school year doesn't mean that I didn't try avoiding to do my job. If anything, I tried getting a post down, I tried to keep the U18 IHT going. But honestly, it was a pretty difficult thing to do.

Besides, in Christmas break, I don't have two opening weeks to help out new kids with.

Ontorisa wrote:

Frenline Delpha wrote:Now that's rather unfair. Why should Greg (if he wants to) miss out on an event just because you can't do your job? I fail to see how tis would be his fault.

Obviously you don't have to join either and I wasn't tossing the blame around, but I'm just saying, this whole "discussion" is because you, Greg, and a bunch of other people disliked the way how I chose my life over the IHT and then ripped at me for it. Just because I got sucker punched in the face by numerous jobs I had to participate in during the first two weeks of my school year doesn't mean that I didn't try avoiding to do my job. If anything, I tried getting a post down, I tried to keep the U18 IHT going. But honestly, it was a pretty difficult thing to do.

Besides, in Christmas break, I don't have two opening weeks to help out new kids with.

I'm busy too. I''m working full-time and don't have time to host tournaments. So you know what I do? Not host tournaments. And the one tournament I did host, the Runner Cup (with Santaclausisgodistan), I realized it was too much with my work schedule (and if the Runner Cup is too much, any other tournament certainly would be) but I kept my commitment and finished the tournament. And I learned my lesson and didn't try to host again, and won't for the foreseeable future. If I were truly unable to host, I would have asked someone else to finish and given them the data they needed, but I managed to pull through. It was a minor tournament, much like what you were hosting, so it was only about 20-30 minutes a day. Now, 20-30 minutes of extra work a day seems like a lot when you're already working 8 hours, so don't tell me that because I already know. But it was only for about a week, so I managed. The U18HT was about the same length, or would have been if it finished on time. You could probably have managed it. And if you couldn't have, then you shouldn't have committed to it.

Nobody's blaming you for choosing your life over hosting, but if your schedule is too busy to host, don't try. And if you do try not realizing how much of a commitment it is, either finish the job, learn your lesson, and don't try again until you're able, or, at the very least, ask someone else to do it.

How do we know there's not some other commitment you have over Christmas Break that you've forgotten about? How do we know you're not going to suddenly remember you're going on vacation with your family for two weeks or organizing a ski club trip or suddenly realizing you're doing something else? Nobody would blame you for taking a vacation or having a life, but then you shouldn't commit to hosting while you're away. And frankly, I don't trust you to keep your hosting commitments at this point.

I think we should stop the discussion here. There's already been a moderation report filed.

Frenline Delpha wrote:I think we should stop the discussion here. There's already been a moderation report filed.

Moderation report for what?

Gregoryisgodistan wrote:Snip

To be real, knowing my luck, the minute I do host the tournament something would pop up.

Honestly, IDC about the hosting record, but this tournament is still a bad idea as it sucks away a lot of interest from regular lacrosse and the actual WLC ends up suffering quite a bit. As an example, see the crisis that came up when there were three baseball tournaments and everyone knew that interest would be sucked from the in-trouble WBC.

Super-Llamaland wrote:Honestly, IDC about the hosting record, but this tournament is still a bad idea as it sucks away a lot of interest from regular lacrosse and the actual WLC ends up suffering quite a bit. As an example, see the crisis that came up when there were three baseball tournaments and everyone knew that interest would be sucked from the in-trouble WBC.

Yeah, even two might be too many. I'm seriously considering disbanding the IBS since it's really decreased interest in that and the WBC. We'll see....

Ontorisa wrote:

Frenline Delpha wrote:I think we should stop the discussion here. There's already been a moderation report filed.

Moderation report for what?

Sorry to butt in, but I filed a report in the spam megathread for the derailment that happened basically as soon as you posted your interest to start the junior lacrosse tourney.

Can you and Frenline take it to TGs or something?

Super-Llamaland wrote:Honestly, IDC about the hosting record, but this tournament is still a bad idea as it sucks away a lot of interest from regular lacrosse and the actual WLC ends up suffering quite a bit. As an example, see the crisis that came up when there were three baseball tournaments and everyone knew that interest would be sucked from the in-trouble WBC.

Lacrosse is kind of a back-page sport already here. No need to divide it even further.

Gregoryisgodistan wrote:

Super-Llamaland wrote:Honestly, IDC about the hosting record, but this tournament is still a bad idea as it sucks away a lot of interest from regular lacrosse and the actual WLC ends up suffering quite a bit. As an example, see the crisis that came up when there were three baseball tournaments and everyone knew that interest would be sucked from the in-trouble WBC.

Yeah, even two might be too many. I'm seriously considering disbanding the IBS since it's really decreased interest in that and the WBC. We'll see....

Please no. Can we at least give it one more shot before we close the curtain?

Frenline Delpha wrote:

Gregoryisgodistan wrote:

Yeah, even two might be too many. I'm seriously considering disbanding the IBS since it's really decreased interest in that and the WBC. We'll see....

Please no. Can we at least give it one more shot before we close the curtain?

Should we take this to the IBS discussion thread?

Kaboomlandia wrote:

Frenline Delpha wrote:Please no. Can we at least give it one more shot before we close the curtain?

Should we take this to the IBS discussion thread?

If Greg is willing to answer my question, that'd be the best place for a discussion of this nature.