West Saintland's Bid for Cup of Harmony 68

[Saintland]

Cup of Harmony 68 Bid - West Saintland

About West Saintland

The Kingdom of Saintland (commonly known as West Saintland) is an island nation of around 350 thousand souls located in northern Atlas. West Saintland has participated, in some form or another, in the past 13 (including this one) World Cup cycles and has qualified for 8 of the last 10 World Cups. West Saintland has modernized in recent years under the leadership of King Petrus XX, embracing constitutional monarchy and equal rights for women. However, the modernization efforts of King Petrus XX led to hardline elements within the Sanctii government, led by the king's younger brother Andreas, seeking the assistance of the Free Republics to overthrow the king. The war ended in a stalemate, with the eastern half of Saintland now under the control of King Andreas. The OOC user behind West Saintland has previously hosted or co-hosted Cup of Harmony 58, World Cup 68, Baptism of Fire 59, the X Winter Olympics, the I Olympia Games, the King Paulus XV Memorial Games, 3 editions of the WBC, an International Baseball Slam, a World Bowl, a WCoH, an IBC, a CR, a CE and countless other tournaments.

Format/Criteria

All nations which have A) not qualified for the World Cup and B) posted at least a roster and one RP during World Cup Qualifying will receive an invite to the Cup of Harmony via telegram following the conclusion of World Cup 76 Qualifying. The format will be adjusted as necessary to accommodate whichever number of nations are deemed worthy of an invite, but will consist of a number of groups playing a home-and-away double round robin followed by a knockout round contested in West Saintland. Posting a roster in the Cup of Harmony thread will be the only valid way to accept an invite.

RP Bonus/Scorinator

My choice of scorinator will be xkoranate with the modified version of SQIS that was used back in World Cup 68 (which was created by Legalese and can be downloaded from my Google Drive account). RP bonus will be cumulative, generous enough to ensure that the end result of the tournament is not a forgone conclusion and based upon quality over quantity.

Tiebreakers

The tiebreakers will be HTH, HTH goal difference, overall goal difference, goals against and, if all of those don't settle it, a tiebreaker match.

Feel free to ask any questions that you may have.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Format/Criteria

All nations which have A) not qualified for the World Cup and B) posted at least a roster and one RP during World Cup Qualifying will receive an invite to the Cup of Harmony via telegram following the conclusion of World Cup 76 Qualifying. The format will be adjusted as necessary to accommodate whichever number of nations are deemed worthy of an invite, but will consist of a number of groups playing a home-and-away double round robin followed by a knockout round contested in West Saintland. Posting a roster in the Cup of Harmony thread will be the only valid way to accept an invite.

A couple of questions:

1) Why the absolute requirement, and why that low?

2) Why will you have home-and-away group stages?

[Saintland]

Format/Criteria

All nations which have A) not qualified for the World Cup and B) posted at least a roster and one RP during World Cup Qualifying will receive an invite to the Cup of Harmony via telegram following the conclusion of World Cup 76 Qualifying. The format will be adjusted as necessary to accommodate whichever number of nations are deemed worthy of an invite, but will consist of a number of groups playing a home-and-away double round robin followed by a knockout round contested in West Saintland. Posting a roster in the Cup of Harmony thread will be the only valid way to accept an invite.

A couple of questions:

1) Why the absolute requirement, and why that low?

2) Why will you have home-and-away group stages?

1) Because I believe in including everybody who wants to participate in the tournament rather than subjectively picking and choosing those that are more deserving than others according to arbitrary criteria and because I'm perfectly comfortable running a tournament with uneven groups if necessary. I've been sitting on some variant of this CoH bid since I was hosting World Cup 68 and nearly posted it several times.

2) For a mix of IC and OOC reasons. ICly because West Saintland does not wish to hold Cup of Harmony matches at tiny high school stadiums. OOCly because a longer group stage increases the weight of RP bonus (and rank) relative to randomness.

[Eastfield Lodge]

A couple of questions:

1) Why the absolute requirement, and why that low?

2) Why will you have home-and-away group stages?

1) Because I believe in including everybody who wants to participate in the tournament rather than subjectively picking and choosing those that are more deserving than others according to arbitrary criteria and because I'm perfectly comfortable running a tournament with uneven groups if necessary. I've been sitting on some variant of this CoH bid since I was hosting World Cup 68 and nearly posted it several times.

2) For a mix of IC and OOC reasons. ICly because West Saintland does not wish to hold Cup of Harmony matches at tiny high school stadiums. OOCly because a longer group stage increases the weight of RP bonus (and rank) relative to randomness.

But surely one RP is a little too low, is it not?

[Saintland]

1) Because I believe in including everybody who wants to participate in the tournament rather than subjectively picking and choosing those that are more deserving than others according to arbitrary criteria and because I'm perfectly comfortable running a tournament with uneven groups if necessary. I've been sitting on some variant of this CoH bid since I was hosting World Cup 68 and nearly posted it several times.

2) For a mix of IC and OOC reasons. ICly because West Saintland does not wish to hold Cup of Harmony matches at tiny high school stadiums. OOCly because a longer group stage increases the weight of RP bonus (and rank) relative to randomness.

But surely one RP is a little too low, is it not?

If it was, surely the WCC Constitution would ban CoH hosts from inviting nations that posted a single RP during Qualifying. I feel that any standard other than the one in the Constitution is inherently arbitrary.

[Eastfield Lodge]

But surely one RP is a little too low, is it not?

If it was, surely the WCC Constitution would ban CoH hosts from inviting nations that posted a single RP during Qualifying.

It used to IIRC. In fact, I think it used to mandate the entry requirement as roster + two RPs, nothing more, nothing less. It was removed to allow for variable entry limits and to stop the tournament size ballooning. In terms of spirit, I don't think a requirement as lax as what you are suggesting was really envisaged.

[Krytenia]

Saintland is perfectly entitled to use those entry rights if he so wishes - though rival bids are also just as entitled to use that as a stick to beat him with (not literally).

My question is this - seeing as this is a (very rare) solo bid for the competition, what would happen in the hypothetical situation that you were unable to scorinate for a period of time? (I'm talking somewhere over 72 hours here - nobody would lose sleep on a day or two delay.)

[Saintland]

My question is this - seeing as this is a (very rare) solo bid for the competition, what would happen in the hypothetical situation that you were unable to scorinate for a period of time? (I'm talking somewhere over 72 hours here - nobody would lose sleep on a day or two delay.)

Obviously, I have no contingency plan for that, but I've hosted many, many tournaments over the last 3 and a half years and have never delayed a tournament for more than 24 hours.

[Ethane]

Saintland is perfectly entitled to use those entry rights if he so wishes - though rival bids are also just as entitled to use that as a stick to beat him with (not literally).

My question is this - seeing as this is a (very rare) solo bid for the competition, what would happen in the hypothetical situation that you were unable to scorinate for a period of time? (I'm talking somewhere over 72 hours here - nobody would lose sleep on a day or two delay.)

It's an issue with every sports tournament on here, but we get plenty of single hosts in other sports, so I see no problem with it personally.

[Krytenia]

My question is this - seeing as this is a (very rare) solo bid for the competition, what would happen in the hypothetical situation that you were unable to scorinate for a period of time? (I'm talking somewhere over 72 hours here - nobody would lose sleep on a day or two delay.)

Obviously, I have no contingency plan for that, but I've hosted many, many tournaments over the last 3 and a half years and have never delayed a tournament for more than 24 hours.

That's fair. As I said, hypothetical situation due to unusual bid.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

I trust that if West Saintland or Ilyseum qualify for the CoH, you will seek a third-party scorinator for the knockout stage as is usual, but will you do so for the group stage as well given it's part of the "final" tournament sort of?

[Audioslavia]

I'd just like to take a second to commend the timing of the bid. The earlier we get CoH bids, the better, and I see nothing wrong with (West) Saintland's proposal. As stated earlier, the minimum requirement of one RP and a roster in the World Cup thread is fairly normal, and doesn't necessarily mean that any and all team who meet the minimum requirement will be allowed entry.

[Eastfield Lodge]

I'd just like to take a second to commend the timing of the bid. The earlier we get CoH bids, the better, and I see nothing wrong with (West) Saintland's proposal. As stated earlier, the minimum requirement of one RP and a roster in the World Cup thread is fairly normal, and doesn't necessarily mean that any and all team who meet the minimum requirement will be allowed entry.

The reading I have of this bid suggests precisely that anyone meeting the minimum requirement will be allowed entry...

[Saintland]

I trust that if West Saintland or Ilyseum qualify for the CoH, you will seek a third-party scorinator for the knockout stage as is usual, but will you do so for the group stage as well given it's part of the "final" tournament sort of?

Should my nations meet the standard for entry into the CoH (and should I deem their entry preferable in terms of numbers), I'd be scorinating their matches during the group stage. Given the hassle involved in finding a third party scorinator for the knockout rounds, if anything, I'd probably be biased against my own nations.

I'd just like to take a second to commend the timing of the bid. The earlier we get CoH bids, the better, and I see nothing wrong with (West) Saintland's proposal. As stated earlier, the minimum requirement of one RP and a roster in the World Cup thread is fairly normal, and doesn't necessarily mean that any and all team who meet the minimum requirement will be allowed entry.

The reading I have of this bid suggests precisely that anyone meeting the minimum requirement will be allowed entry...

That's my intention, though I will encourage those who do not intend to RP during the CoH to decline their invitations and I am considering adding in a "carryover" equivalent to a matchday's worth of RP bonus based upon each participating nation's RP output during WC Qualifying.

[Gadirya]

I trust that if West Saintland or Ilyseum qualify for the CoH, you will seek a third-party scorinator for the knockout stage as is usual, but will you do so for the group stage as well given it's part of the "final" tournament sort of?

Should my nations meet the standard for entry into the CoH (and should I deem their entry preferable in terms of numbers), I'd be scorinating their matches during the group stage. Given the hassle involved in finding a third party scorinator for the knockout rounds, if anything, I'd probably be biased against my own nations.

The reading I have of this bid suggests precisely that anyone meeting the minimum requirement will be allowed entry...

That's my intention, though I will encourage those who do not intend to RP during the CoH to decline their invitations and I am considering adding in a "carryover" equivalent to a matchday's worth of RP bonus based upon each participating nation's RP output during WC Qualifying.

How many nations do you plan to invite for the CoH? Since the standards for invite are low?

[Eastfield Lodge]

The reading I have of this bid suggests precisely that anyone meeting the minimum requirement will be allowed entry...

That's my intention, though I will encourage those who do not intend to RP during the CoH to decline their invitations and I am considering adding in a "carryover" equivalent to a matchday's worth of RP bonus based upon each participating nation's RP output during WC Qualifying.

I suppose that makes things a bit more palatable.

[Anglatia]

Hey, I don't really have experience with hosting actual competitions instead of just domestic leagues, and I haven't broken into hosting just yet, but if you need someone to be a third-party scorinator if one of your nations makes it into the CoH, I can probably do it depending on when the cutoff time is.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Should my nations meet the standard for entry into the CoH (and should I deem their entry preferable in terms of numbers), I'd be scorinating their matches during the group stage. Given the hassle involved in finding a third party scorinator for the knockout rounds, if anything, I'd probably be biased against my own nations.



That's my intention, though I will encourage those who do not intend to RP during the CoH to decline their invitations and I am considering adding in a "carryover" equivalent to a matchday's worth of RP bonus based upon each participating nation's RP output during WC Qualifying.

How many nations do you plan to invite for the CoH? Since the standards for invite are low?

However many meet the requirement, I would assume. Makes it hard to state an exact number in advance unless you're a psychic, which I assum Saintland isn't.

[Ceni]

We will not be handing over RP bonus data to Saintland should he win this bid (or for any other potential CoH host for that matter), so just keep that in mind if he is going to try and add an "equivalency carryover".

[Gadirya]

How many nations do you plan to invite for the CoH? Since the standards for invite are low?

However many meet the requirement, I would assume. Makes it hard to state an exact number in advance unless you're a psychic, which I assum Saintland isn't.

I guess that's true, but Saint might have an idea about how many nations he would like to invite, right? Or is that still a weird question to ask?

Btw I'm not being sarcastic, it's a genuine question.

[Eastfield Lodge]

However many meet the requirement, I would assume. Makes it hard to state an exact number in advance unless you're a psychic, which I assum Saintland isn't.

I guess that's true, but Saint might have an idea about how many nations he would like to invite, right? Or is that still a weird question to ask?

Btw I'm not being sarcastic, it's a genuine question.

He's going to invite everybody that posts a roster and one RP that didn't qualify. We have no idea how many people that will be.

[Saintland]

I guess that's true, but Saint might have an idea about how many nations he would like to invite, right? Or is that still a weird question to ask?

Btw I'm not being sarcastic, it's a genuine question.

He's going to invite everybody that posts a roster and one RP that didn't qualify. We have no idea how many people that will be.

That's essentially correct.

We will not be handing over RP bonus data to Saintland should he win this bid (or for any other potential CoH host for that matter), so just keep that in mind if he is going to try and add an "equivalency carryover".

Should I decide to go that route (and I'm leaning strongly toward it), I would use my own evaluation of RPs posted during WCQ even if the WC hosts provided me with bonus data. I should have been more clear about that.

Hey, I don't really have experience with hosting actual competitions instead of just domestic leagues, and I haven't broken into hosting just yet, but if you need someone to be a third-party scorinator if one of your nations makes it into the CoH, I can probably do it depending on when the cutoff time is.

Thanks for the offer. I'll consider it.