K1K: Krytenia v The Multiverse, Debate Thread (OOC)

[Krytenia]

This right here is the thread to debate who should be in the Multiverse All-Time XI to take on a Krytenian All-Time side after World Cup Qualifying, as part of Krytenia's Thousandth Game Celebration.

THE will be doing the physical picking of the Multiverse team - having been around since WC1, he seems the most qualified. He may also pick players not mentioned.

RULES FOR THE MULTIVERSE TEAM

Players who have caps for Krytenia are ineligible.
Players must have played in at least one World Cup cycle.
Players' nation does not need to be currently active.
Players may be of any species.
Active players are mostly ineligible; however those whose immortality (or really long lives) mean they can have very long careers are fine (eg. Valanora's elves, the monks of The Archregimancy).

Feel free to suggest players, debate their merits, and otherwise have fun with this. The match itself will be at the end of WCQs, and a separate IC thread will be up in due course.

[Alasdair I Frosticus]

As the longest-serving active footballing figure in the multiverse, Juan Tzimisces simply must be picked for the Multiverse XI, either as a central midfielder or the team manager.

Core of the Holy Empire's midfield from WCs 1-4, four-time World Cup-winning manager for the same side, and immortal legend known across the multiverse - and indeed beyond - it's inconceivable that he would be excluded from the Multiverse XI.





OOC: And I no longer have 'far too much awesome going on IRL'; the Cairo situation fell through. So I would be available to pick the team.

[Saintland]

Since "King" Andreas is now retired from international competition, the Sanctii captain for 9 WCs is available.

[Krytenia]

I've updated the OP to reflect THE's now official status as Multiverse Team Selector.

[Apox]

For Apoxian players - my four most famous retired ones are:

Dravid Scott (Striker)
Olim Benzari (Right Midfielder)
Matthias Sindelar (Defensive Midfielder)
Tolgus Tregajorran (Striker)

Probably need to mention some players who've been legendary but aren't necessarily around any more, ones such as Alan Belmore, the Egg and Ug-Ug.

[The Archregimancy]

Obvious candidates:

Simeone Di Bradini

Alan Belmore

Laborious Hawk (for whom an 'active player' exemption realistically has to be made)

[Audioslavia]

Pictures of a number of the possible players can be found here. Anyone who participated in World Cup 66 might recognise them.

My own recommendation would be Urk, who played for Giant Zucchini in or around World Cups 4 to 10. The first godmod striker. Hence why he took the form of Peledonna in those pictures.

As for Audioslavians, right-back Lee Branson (WCs9-12) would be a candidate, but naturally the most elligible players would be from World Cups 63/64. Striker Karsten Eiger should be good enough for a place on the bench. Centre-half John Ryan (as seen in this picture from the World Cup 63 final) is my highest-capped outfielder, while current manager Kajaxo Imaslavii is by far the most capped player, having played in goal 172 times for Audioslavia. All those guys won two world cups.

[San Jose Guayabal]

Kohev Küngas-Vaga should be in this (Polarian)

[Eura]

Looking at my own players, I'd think reasonable candidates for a Euran place in the side could be;

- Lee Sharp, the 189-goal goalscoring machine. Almost singlehandedly won WC60 for a debutant team. Played until 38 internationally. Much stronk. I know there's been a few legendary insane strikers in NS history, but I feel he's up there for longevity, and being RPed properly well beyond the first few cycles unlike most newbies best strikers who they end up writing off out of embarrassment.
- 301 cap midfielder and current manager Steve Thompson.
- Nick "Greatest Rightback in the World" Feeney.
- Daniel Belgrave, the keeper who won Eura a World Cup at the age of 39.
- Skorji Oslograd.

I've got a couple of players I'd also give a punt but they're still playing (Sinclair and Spartan) so no can do. I would also give Kelly Sporadic a punt as manager, won World Cups for Audioslavia and Eura and generally famous (or infamous depending on how you look at it) for his rivalries.

As for other international options, I have to say if I was going to pick a Polarian I'd pick Alexsandr van Sorensen over KKV, or Timo Skye at a stretch. I second the obvious recommendations of di Bradini, Tzimisces, Belmore, Hawk. Maybe Urk, I don't know enough about it but who cares about him, he's old and why pick him when you have glorious Sharp? Plus look how wonderful Sharp looks in Audio's photo album. He's beautiful. And who can forget his Gazza goal in the 60 group stag- ok I'm getting carried away.

I simply can't support the idea of the egg being involved though. We all knew he was on enhancers, the chickenshit commie.

[Zwangzug]

I'm super not into the whole "disappeared country magically returns former star to make it all about them and hog the spotlight" angle but if you want representation from Aguazul, let me know and I'll try to see who from the relevant eras might be useful. No big deal either way.

[Starblaydia]

I politely and rather unsubtly in the spirit of things suggest any Starblaydi ever (except Valrauncion, of course, as he falls foul of your first rule). Thank-you to those who have mentioned the impossibly good hair'd Simeone Di Bradini, too. The decade of shameless self-promotion of my author avatar now means that other people promote him for me, which is lovely.

Let me have a look through my files tonight and see if there are any particularly Kry/Star rivalry-worthy candidates. Julius Starblayde is a pretty decent shout for that, as he mostly played (and even captained, iirc) in the AOCAF where we'd be more likely to have met, plus the whole parentage thing from Dominique. People who were around at the time of the XL Bid would work, too, but I need to check.

For non-Starblaydi, as Alan Belmore has already been mentioned I'd probably chuck Jenji Y's name in the hat, too, at least for the inevitable supersub bench goal. If it were NEWI (and various incarnations since) I'd strongly recommend An Egg, but there isn't much merit to the argument for putting it in a team against Krytenia.

[Landau Institute]

Forgot completely the password for Cafundéu (yeah, I think I didn't even get close in the 58392135² attempts made, but that was a 9 year password after all), but remembered of this nation here, so I'll use it to send Cafundelense possibilities (although Cafundéu was always more a group squad so looking back I don't see many world-famous-commented stars, most would be substitutes I guess):

- The Scout, who would work more as a coach or even as an advisor to select the players ICly, since he went from scouting players to coaching National Teams to becoming the WCC President.
- Augusto César, who was the attacking midfielder and main player thanks to his lethal free kicks of the best Cafundéu team in history, the one which reached #3 in the rankings and the final of one World Cup.
- Anatoliy Titov, central defender who played for both Squornshelous and Cafundéu and later managed the squad.
- Franz Braddock as another option of coach/assistant coach, who became even more famous as coach of Sarzonia than of Cafundéu itself.

As for other nominees, I would nominate one from Ariddia, I remember more Xavier Xu (goalkeeper) and Ke Sho (defender, which IIRC was the most famous one and participated in most if not all Ariddia titles) as they played in the Cafundelense league.

And the referee could be Father Luke the Fair or Alan Melchett - although I have no idea of which new referees appeared here

[Audioslavia]

Jeremy Jaffacake has the second worst record of any manager In Audioslavian history, but seeing as three match is against Krytenia, I can't think of anyone better suited to the job.

Someone could have a look through the archives and look for some heroic World Cup Final winning captains and such. I think between Urk, Belmore, Skye, di Bradini and *insert overpowered striker here* we enough iconic forwards, even if they won only one World Cup between them as players.

[Nephara]

Didn't Kohev Kuengas-Vaga score a goal during a World Cup final that the Islandstates went on to win? It'd probably be hard to find a more fitting left-back.

[The Archregimancy]

Pictures of a number of the possible players can be found here. Anyone who participated in World Cup 66 might recognise them.

My own recommendation would be Urk, who played for Giant Zucchini in or around World Cups 4 to 10. The first godmod striker. Hence why he took the form of Peledonna in those pictures.

I came into the thread to add Urk to my nominations.

He also played incognito for the Holy Empire for a cup somewhere in the 20s.

[Audioslavia]

Didn't Kohev Kuengas-Vaga score a goal during a World Cup final that the Islandstates went on to win?

That never happened. History books reporting the final of World Cup 67 were all burnt in that freak fire.

KKV would be as good a choice as any for left-back. Don't think there are many multiverse-famous LB's throughout history. He's technically still playing, but as a thirty-eight year-old defender for 1830 Cathair, having retired from international football. By the time the WC73 qualifiers finish, he will be have recently retired completely (I think).

Lee Branson, the former Audioslavia captain from WCs 9-12, was a right-back. Are there any more famous full-backs?

[The Archregimancy]

Didn't Kohev Kuengas-Vaga score a goal during a World Cup final that the Islandstates went on to win?

That never happened. History books reporting the final of World Cup 67 were all burnt in that freak fire.

KKV would be as good a choice as any for left-back. Don't think there are many multiverse-famous LB's throughout history. He's technically still playing, but as a thirty-eight year-old defender for 1830 Cathair, having retired from international football. By the time the WC73 qualifiers finish, he will be have recently retired completely (I think).

Lee Branson, the former Audioslavia captain from WCs 9-12, was a right-back. Are there any more famous full-backs?

Rejistania's entire team?

[Audioslavia]

There absolutely *must* be a Rejistanian in defence.

I've pitched Imaslavii as a goalkeeper, but does anyone remember Dennisov's main guy? Gerry Cheevers? Goalie from about WC4 to WC12? Is it just me?

[Krytenia]

There absolutely *must* be a Rejistanian in defence.

I've pitched Imaslavii as a goalkeeper, but does anyone remember Dennisov's main guy? Gerry Cheevers? Goalie from about WC4 to WC12? Is it just me?

On a personal level, I'd say Taniquetar (sp?) of Starblaydia in goal.

Also, given it's a team playing us, there's got to be at least one Sarzonian. I'd suggest Brian Wilson myself.

[Eura]

Didn't Kohev Kuengas-Vaga score a goal during a World Cup final that the Islandstates went on to win?

That never happened. History books reporting the final of World Cup 67 were all burnt in that freak fire.

KKV would be as good a choice as any for left-back. Don't think there are many multiverse-famous LB's throughout history. He's technically still playing, but as a thirty-eight year-old defender for 1830 Cathair, having retired from international football. By the time the WC73 qualifiers finish, he will be have recently retired completely (I think).

Lee Branson, the former Audioslavia captain from WCs 9-12, was a right-back. Are there any more famous full-backs?

Don't know if he's on the same level but in my post I mentioned I had a right back called Feeney who was at the top level for over a decade and played a big role in winning WC66. But I'm assuming there must be some fairly iconic other right backs around, or do people really care that little about them?

[Cosumar]

If there's any interest in a Cosumarite representative, you can pick from my database of NT players (including stats and records) in my national Factbook. It's not wholly complete yet, but it's close enough to glean who the best candidates are. A few:

Sur Arora - 100+ goal scorer, Cosumarite record, but never qualified

Rikki Varshney - Scored 87 goals including in five World Cups and played club ball in Cafundeu. Known for his many clutch goals on the biggest stage - the Cosumarite a casual World Cup viewer would be most likely to recognize (if they're old enough...)

Luke Crisalus - Our caps leader. Varshney's strike partner or AM in the golden years, also is Cosumarite royalty as a Duke.

Irvinn Rincon - Our first captain, first world class player and all-time assist leader (CM)

Farris Crowley - Managed the team for almost 40 years including all seven of our World Cups


Cosumar has played in every World Cup since 51, qualified for seven of them, and medaled in three Cups of Harmony.

Most of the names thrown out so far by others are definitely deserving, especially KKV, Urk, Hawk, Tolgus, Di Bradini, Belmore, etc. My nation probably doesn't deserve a spot since we've never made the semifinals, but I figured I'd post just in case

[Alasdair I Frosticus]

Looking at this objectively - as the person who has to pick the team - I'll throw out an idea....

I pick one person from each set of 10 World Cups for the starting XI. So one each from each set of 1-10, 11-20, 21-30, etc.

I then have some discretion over the remaining four members of the starting XI, plus the substitute's bench.

This makes the team representative of the WC as a whole across time, promises some level of investment in the team on the part of current WC participants who might not know who/what Urk, Rejistania, and Alan Belmore all are, but still gives me some discretion how to fill up the team.

Thoughts?

[Nephara]

Farris Crowley - Managed the team for almost 40 years including all seven of our World Cups
Most of the names thrown out so far by others are definitely deserving, especially KKV, Urk, Hawk, Tolgus, Di Bradini, Belmore, etc. My nation probably doesn't deserve a spot since we've never made the semifinals, but I figured I'd post just in case

I dunno, I'd say Crowley deserves consideration considering his sheer longevity.

And, yeah, that makes sense, THE.

[Audioslavia]

Can't think of a better person to pick the team than The Arch, and that system seems fair, so yes, that gets my vote

[Liventia]

Seconding the nomination for An Egg.