NS Rugby Discussion Thread (v.2)

[NS Rugby Board Executive Council]

(this is Ko-oren)

Time to get this going again. Currently there's World Cup and World Cup of Hockey signups, so we should probably wait until those tournaments are under way before we open up signups for the next tournament here.

The amendments to the governing document have been put forth last December and haven't received a single vote, so allow me to say that the amendments have been rejected. That means that the governing document from the OP still stands. Aels, as the League vice-president, hasn't posted on NS since February, which is another thing to address.

The current term lasts for "a cycle of four or more World Cups including at least one of each of the three types". This term started in December 2015, and since then we have only had one RLWC. Before then, there was a RUWC.

That means that, during this term, we will have a R7WC next, followed by a RUWC, and then a RLWC after which we will elect new vice-presidents. Before that time, I would like your opinions on the timing of the tournaments as well as the issue of electing a League vice-president.

[Saintland]

I'm all for reviving the Sevens World Cup rather than continuing the Sevens series and would like to see the schedule somewhat accelerated (as I believe one Union and one League tournament per year is too few), though I'm sure my opinion on the matter is well-known.

I'm all for opening Sevens WC signups soon (before the momentum from Rio is lost) and retroactively recognizing the various NSRB-recognized Sevens tournaments from last year as official Sevens WCs and using them as the basis of the initial rankings for the revived Sevens WC. As it currently stands, the last official Sevens WC was around 3 and a half years ago, assuming I am not misremembering things.

As regards the League vice president, I believe that Aels is still active on NS as Liventia.

[Krytenia]

I'm all for opening Sevens WC signups soon (before the momentum from Rio is lost) and retroactively recognizing the various NSRB-recognized Sevens tournaments from last year as official Sevens WCs and using them as the basis of the initial rankings for the revived Sevens WC. As it currently stands, the last official Sevens WC was around 3 and a half years ago, assuming I am not misremembering things.

Not sure about recognising them as official WCs, but using them as a rankings base does make sense.

As regards the League vice president, I believe that Aels is still active on NS as Liventia.

You believe correctly.

[Liventia]

I'm all for reviving the Sevens World Cup rather than continuing the Sevens series and would like to see the schedule somewhat accelerated (as I believe one Union and one League tournament per year is too few), though I'm sure my opinion on the matter is well-known.

I'd be in favour of reverting to a WC in sevens myself. Alternatively, we can continue to have a series, just all scorinated by one person (somewhat like the WGPC).

I'm all for opening Sevens WC signups soon (before the momentum from Rio is lost) and retroactively recognizing the various NSRB-recognized Sevens tournaments from last year as official Sevens WCs and using them as the basis of the initial rankings for the revived Sevens WC. As it currently stands, the last official Sevens WC was around 3 and a half years ago, assuming I am not misremembering things.

If we return to a WC I'm happy to use the series as the basis for ranks. I'm not sure about recognising them as WCs though.

As regards the League vice president, I believe that Aels is still active on NS as Liventia.

You'd be right.

[Neu Engollon]

(this is Ko-oren)

Time to get this going again. Currently there's World Cup and World Cup of Hockey signups, so we should probably wait until those tournaments are under way before we open up signups for the next tournament here...

Will there ever be a point where we don't put the rugby cycle on hold for other NS sports that are deemed higher priority? Rugby always seems to take the lowest precedence on NSS of all the organized sports and so there will always be a 'justifiable' reason to delay it in favor of some other big sports Cup or tournament. It feels like that, anyway. Every organized NS sport seems to have a spot on the calendar in relation to the other sports except for rugby. Why is that?

I'm also unclear as to why the incredibly unpopular R7WC, which was unanimously voted out previously, is gaining traction all of the sudden. I guess it is because of Rio. Also, possibly because of the turnover in some NSRB membership.

I think the only two folks still left of the Sevens cycle hosts who are willing to keep hosting sevens tournaments are myself and Ceni (as Racao). Nova Anglicana's Londinium 7s would've been next, but I think that RL got the better of him (and the WC). I was in touch with him in order to coordinate the 7s cycle, and that's the vibe I got. There's never been 'dozens of tournaments', by the way. We're lucky to get 3 going for a cycle.

Aquitayne also expressed interest in hosting a NSRB 7s tournament.

I still intend to host the AVBF 7s, and I hope to retain NSRB sanctioning, but I guess that's up to a vote. I'm going to run that tournament, regardless of official sanctioning though.
If there's a way to retain future rank from sevens tournaments and also run the R7WC, I'm all for it. In the end, I have to accept the decision of the majority. It's been a long, busy weekend, so sorry if my thoughts are a bit jumbled.

[Terre des Gaules]

And...? What happened?

[Frenline Delpha]

Neu Engollen, may I apologize for my actions last year? I understand how silly I acted, and I'd like to issue a public apology for that.

[Neu Engollon]

Neu Engollen, may I apologize for my actions last year? I understand how silly I acted, and I'd like to issue a public apology for that.

It's fine. Water under the bridge. I honestly don't remember what the beef was about.

So, yeah, are we moving forward or not with NSRB? Was there supposed to be a vote on bringing back the Sevens WC?

[Lisander]

Maybe a little too late to join again the bandwagon, but giving a try.

Fortunately for me (and unfortunately for Rugby), after the World Cup in last november, NSRB freezed. Lisander have not joined RWC24 because there was no team ready last november. Lisander joined Port Louis Sevens with hopes of win something. And won the Shield, the lower of the tournaments, earning a great 13th place.

As well as NSRB, Lisander rugby also freezed, at least until June, when I finally managed to start a local sevens series. Back on the track and with a growing league, I feel now is the time to Lisander try higher flies.

Count on me. The "ten seasons to top" is still running. There's 9 left.

[Alice Bay]

And just to give a bump, count on Lisander favorite puppet, Alice Bay too.

[Frenline Delpha]

I feel like this thread could ise some life. Especially with an unsanctioned Rugby Sevens tournament in the works. We might want to figure out the plan soon.

And no, I do not condemn the unsanctioned one. I just want rugby.

[Lisander]

I feel like this thread could ise some life. Especially with an unsanctioned Rugby Sevens tournament in the works. We might want to figure out the plan soon.

And no, I do not condemn the unsanctioned one. I just want rugby.

Racao is busy with the WC76 (as Ceni). Liventia is busy with GCF. If I want some international rugby, the only way of getting it is hosting a tournament. People do this all the time in football (Usually with outrageous roleplaying or no-roleplaying at all, sadly), then why not myself?

[Frenline Delpha]

I feel like this thread could ise some life. Especially with an unsanctioned Rugby Sevens tournament in the works. We might want to figure out the plan soon.

And no, I do not condemn the unsanctioned one. I just want rugby.

Racao is busy with the WC76 (as Ceni). Liventia is busy with GCF. If I want some international rugby, the only way of getting it is hosting a tournament. People do this all the time in football (Usually with outrageous roleplaying or no-roleplaying at all, sadly), then why not myself?

Like I said, i am glad you did. I also want to see the rubgy sevens series come back, is all.

[Neu Engollon]

Amen to all of the above.

Also, expect the AVBF sevens, which is a NSRB sanctioned tournament, in the next month or so.

EDIT: I've also just reactivated the NSRB account from CTE doom. For the 3rd time. If that tells you anything. I'd say the Prez needs to enter his email account for notifications, but I doubt that would help at the rate things have been going.

[Lisander]

Now I think of it... You know... Would be nice if URSA Sevens could be sanctioned too...

I'm able to complete any requirements and fill any forms.

[Racao]

Now I think of it... You know... Would be nice if URSA Sevens could be sanctioned too...

I'm able to complete any requirements and fill any forms.

Yeah, we could sanction it, I guess. It'll probably replace the Lyndainium Sevens, 'cause from what I recall, NA's not running that anymore.

[Neu Engollon]

Now I think of it... You know... Would be nice if URSA Sevens could be sanctioned too...

I'm able to complete any requirements and fill any forms.

Yeah, we could sanction it, I guess. It'll probably replace the Lyndainium Sevens, 'cause from what I recall, NA's not running that anymore.

Londinium. Yes, I think he's dropped hosting duties for that.

[Madives]

I have created the U20 Rugby cup. I hope there will be more Rugby events like under-19 and 17. For the younger teams of ore Nations

[Cymrea]

I have created the U20 Rugby cup. I hope there will be more Rugby events like under-19 and 17. For the younger teams of ore Nations

Link for ease of discovery?

[Madives]

I have created the U20 Rugby cup. I hope there will be more Rugby events like under-19 and 17. For the younger teams of ore Nations

Link for ease of discovery?

Here is the link: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=393395

[Elejamie]

I have created the U20 Rugby cup. I hope there will be more Rugby events like under-19 and 17. For the younger teams of ore Nations

On the one hand, this does look very interesting (to the point where I've bookmarked it) and I'm thinking about whether or not to sign up, especially since I'm not sure when the 25th RWC will begin. But, on the other hand, I do have a few suggestions, especially since there are one or two things that confuse me:

1. You don't really need that "special bonus" thing. As Cymrea pointed out, everyone's pretty much going to set it to three. Not to mention that people tend to use RP bonus to determine how well teams do, even in competitions where there aren't any rankings (i.e. the World Junior Hockey Championship), so it might be easier to just use that.
2. I'd probably recommend that you (and everyone else who's posted) wait until the everything thread is up before you write up your squad and all that. That way, if and when the tournament starts, those taking part don't have to keep going back to the sign-up thread just to find out who's playing for what team.
3. I'd recommend asking people interested in hosting for things like scorinators (which is basically a program used to generate results. For example, the old NS Sports staple Xkoranate) and maybe if they have any experience. That way, you know that the tournament will be run by someone who knows what they're doing.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea; on the contrary, NS Sports NEEDS more rugby. I'm just saying that there are a few things that make me a bit unsure. Sorry. Also, sorry if I came across as a bit rude here. I'm not, I was just trying to offer some constructive criticism.

If there's anyone here with more experience than I do, please let me know if I've got anything wrong or if I've missed anything. I know Barunia gave some advice here but if anyone else wants to chip in please let me know.

[Neu Engollon]

I don't think they paid much attention to or acknowledged Barunia, Elejamie, and we'll see what happens with them listening to your portion here. But good luck with that. Also, just FYI to Madives, there was a collegiate rugby tournament some time back, so you're not the first 'under 20', unless we're going by name only.

In other news, the long promised AVBF Sevens Tournament (2nd edition) sign ups are now POSTED. I look forward to getting back in the mix of hosting rugby.

[Elejamie]

I don't think they paid much attention to or acknowledged Barunia, Elejamie, and we'll see what happens with them listening to your portion here. But good luck with that.

To be fair, NE, they weren't online when I posted that. Not to mention that I posted it in here so they won't think I'm signing up. But, saying that, I haven't seen any response to Barunia yet but I'll still keep an eye on the thread just in case.

But still, thanks.

[Madives]

I have created the U20 Rugby cup. I hope there will be more Rugby events like under-19 and 17. For the younger teams of ore Nations

On the one hand, this does look very interesting (to the point where I've bookmarked it) and I'm thinking about whether or not to sign up, especially since I'm not sure when the 25th RWC will begin. But, on the other hand, I do have a few suggestions, especially since there are one or two things that confuse me:

1. You don't really need that "special bonus" thing. As Cymrea pointed out, everyone's pretty much going to set it to three. Not to mention that people tend to use RP bonus to determine how well teams do, even in competitions where there aren't any rankings (i.e. the World Junior Hockey Championship), so it might be easier to just use that.
2. I'd probably recommend that you (and everyone else who's posted) wait until the everything thread is up before you write up your squad and all that. That way, if and when the tournament starts, those taking part don't have to keep going back to the sign-up thread just to find out who's playing for what team.
3. I'd recommend asking people interested in hosting for things like scorinators (which is basically a program used to generate results. For example, the old NS Sports staple Xkoranate) and maybe if they have any experience. That way, you know that the tournament will be run by someone who knows what they're doing.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea; on the contrary, NS Sports NEEDS more rugby. I'm just saying that there are a few things that make me a bit unsure. Sorry. Also, sorry if I came across as a bit rude here. I'm not, I was just trying to offer some constructive criticism.

If there's anyone here with more experience than I do, please let me know if I've got anything wrong or if I've missed anything. I know Barunia gave some advice here but if anyone else wants to chip in please let me know.

I wants to thank you. Sorry that I started the U20 Rugbg cup. But after this information it has really help me! But I think I still have to learn more. but the U20 Rugby cup will continue. And I hope that it will be a great event but so far in small format.

[Frenline Delpha]

Note: I'll put this back for consideration, as I believe I have amassed enough experience to successfully host one of these events.

Host Bid for Frenline Delpha
Presenting the: Freedom 7's Tourney

IC Information

Frenline Delpha is a democratic nation that celebrates heavy freedoms and a small wealth gap. The economy of Frenline Delpha is heavily industrialized but incredibly efficient. The tax rate is high, but the cost of living is low. All religions are accepted and you can find at least 20 different religions in whatever city you are in. Many cultures are represented in Frenlinian cuisine. If it exists in the multiverse, you can probably find it here. We plenty of travel options throughout the city, from taxis to travel busses for teams, to busses for tourists. We also have rental cars. Take a stop at one of the several scenic relics from acient bloodbenders in the capital. There are even decorative fire hydrants, painted by local youth expressive artists. Most of our available hotels are at least 3 stars, and they come quite cheap. Plus, our currency is valued at .62 theories ({) for 1 NSD. If you are low on money, we also have high quality motels that offer free breakfast and wi-fi.

Group Draw

The group draw will be sorted using the appropriate number of pots. After nations have been divided by pots, a group draw will be played out on a Chatzy that I will create.

Format

16 teams: 4 groups of 4; single round robin; Group winners advance to a single elimination tournament for the Snaker Cup; the next 4 best teams advance to play for the Democratic Plaque, the next four best teams will compete in the Healthcare Bowl

20 teams: 4 groups of 5; same format as the 16 teams

24 teams: 6 groups of 4; single round robin; group winners plus next two best teams advance to play for the Snaker Cup; next best four teams advance to play for the Democratic Plaque, next best four advance to the Healthcare Bowl

Stadiums

Location: Nagais, Frenline Delpha
Capacity: 21,000

This stadium was built originally as the site meant to host collegiate rugby championships. It was recently modified to fit international standards. The three poles at the back have a name of one of the three original champions enscribed on them.

Location: Bloodbenderopolis, Frenline Delpha
Capacity: 29,000

This stadium is the largest in Frenline Delpha. It hosts several collegiate games, and it serves as the home stadium for the travel adult team, Club Bad Bruiser.

Location: Crystal Ice, Frenline Delpha
Capacity: 23,500

This field serves as both a football field and a rugby field. It takes crews an average of 6 hours to convert between the two. It plays home to the collegiate team, Arten Southern University Equestrian. It is reknowned for its fantastic blue field.

Location: Green Hills, Frenline Delpha
Capacity: 16,840

Another convertable field, this one has lines for rugby, soccer, and football. It plays host to the University of Nightspeak Ninjas.

Tiebreakers

Tiebreakers will be (in order): 1. Head-to-head result between the tied teams.
2. Difference in points scored and allowed during pool play.
3. Points scored during pool play.
4. Coin toss (higher RP points).

Scorinating Experience

Frenline Delpha Baseball League
2nd United Valhaven Track Championship
Gaelic Football World Championships II
Frenline Delpha Domestic Water Polo League
Various Soccer Friendlies
NSCF 12 Mineral Conference
NSCF 14 Zephyr Conference
World Bowl XXIX (With Drawkland)
IBS X (With Schiltzberg)
WBC 37 (With Ilyseum)

Scorination

The scorinating will be done on version 0.3.3 of Xkoronate, using the Rugby Union Sevens format. There will be a Roster bonus worth 2 points, and all participants have the ability to earn two days worth of RP bonus before the first match-day, including the Roster bonus. The RP grading will be two points, with quality being taking into account well before quantity. RPs will be cumulative, and RP bonus will be reset by 30% after the group stage.[/quote]

If any of the board members have questions, I will be open to answer them.