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Postby German Shepherds » Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:46 am

I'm not sure if any of you remembered, but a while back we had a Calvinball tournament. Calvinball was invented by Calvin and Hobbes in the comic, Calvin & Hobbes. I'd really like to bring it back, seeing as it looks fun. If there is a lot of interest, I'll need a host nation, because my scorinator doesn't work. If the host nation wants, they could make the sign-up thread, but I'll do it if needed.

If you aren't aware of what Calvinball is, it's a game where you make all the rules up, but you can't use the same rule twice. Should be interesting to RP.

Here was the info on scorinating and other stuff from the IC Thread:
Each matchday, there will be three sports that will be combined to generate the score of each match. Each sport will count for a certain percentage of the final score. For example, matchday one might be scorinated in the following fashion:

20% Baseball
50% Football
30% Korfball

In addition, one random character will be added to the score of each team in order to replicate the randomness of Calvinball scores in the strip.

Each sport will represent a certain IC aspect of the match. For example, the "baseball" score might represent the number of free throws made while jumping up and down on a pogo stick and singing "The Pogo Stick Song". The "football" score might represent the number of baskets scored while hopping backwards on one leg and making dolphin noises, and so on for each sport that is being incorporated into the final score of the match.

RPs will be graded on creativity, and may be no longer than 450 words. I chose to include this rule to promote the idea of quality over quantity and to prevent people from posting 1,000-word long RPs that are mostly fluff and take forever to get to the point. RPs short be entertaining and consise.

Links to the old OOC/IC of the Watterson Bowl:
IC: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=266101
OOC: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=265898

Workable Set of Rules for NS
The Unofficial Official Rules of Calvinball

Permanent Rule: You may not play the Calvinball the same way twice.

Primary Rule: The following rules are subject to be changed, amended, or deleted by any player(s) involved. These rules are not required, nor necessary to play Calvinball.

1.0. The following words in these rules are mostly freely interchangeable, the Primary Rule applies:

Can

May

Must

Shall

Should

Will

Would

1.1. All players must wear a Calvinball mask (See Calvinball Equipment - 2.1). No one may question the masks.

1.2 Any player may declare a new rule at any point in the game. The player may do this audibly or silently depending on what zone (Refer to Rule 1.5) the player is in.

1.3. A player may use the Calvinball (See Calvinball Equipment - 2.2) in any way the player see fits, whether it be to incur injury upon other players or to gain benefits for himself.

1.4. Any penalty legislation may be in the form of pain, embarassment, or any degradation the rulee wishes to execute upon the other player.

1.5 The Calvinball Field (See Calvinball Equipment - 2.3) should consist of areas, or zones, which are governed by a set of rules declared by players. Zones may be appear and disappear as often and wherever the player decides. For example, a corollary zone would enable a player to make a corollary (sub-rule) to any rule already made. Or a pernicious poem place would require the intruder to do what the name implies. Or an opposite zone would enable a player to declare reverse playibility on the others. (Remember, the player would declare this zone oppositely by not declaring it.)

1.6 Flags (Calvinball Equipment 2.3) shall be named by players whom shall also assign the power and rules which shall govern that flag.

1.7 Songs are an integral part of Calvinball and verses must be sung spontaneously through the game when randomly assigned events occur.

1.8 Score may be kept or disregarded. In the event that score is kept, it shall have no bearing on the game nor shall it have any logical consistency to it. (Legal scores include 'Q to 12', 'BW-109 to YU-34, and 'Nosebleed to Pelvic Fracture'.)



Calvinball Equipment

2.1. Mask - All participants are required to wear a mask

2.2. Calvinball - A Calvinball may be a soccerball, volleyball, or any other reasonable ball. Bowling balls are accepted.


2.3 Calvinball Field - The Calvinball Field should be any well-sized field, preferably with trees, rocks, grass, creeks, and other natural obstacles.

2.4 Miscellaneous - Other optional equipment include flags, wickets (especially of the time-fracture variety), and anything else the players wish to include.

Calvinball Miscellaneous

3.1 Before, During or After the Game the Calvinball Song can/may/must/can't/may not/mustn't be sung:

"Other kids' games are all such a bore!
They've gotta have rules and they gotta keep score!
Calvinball is better by far!
It's never the same! It's always bizarre!
You don't need a team or a referee!
You know that it's great, 'cause it's named after me!"
(Backup-Singing "Rumma Tum Tums")

3.2 Calvinball quotes include but are not limited to

"feel free to harmonize with Hobbes on the Rumma-tum-tums" (Calvin to Rosalyn)
"No sport is less organized then Calvinball" (Hobbes)
"Sooner or later, all our games turn into Calvinball." (Calvin)
"The score is still Q to 12!" (Calvin)

(Credit to http://www.bartel.org/calvinball/)
So, who could like to participate?

Nations interested:
Super Llamaland
New Wolfopolis
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Postby Super-Llamaland » Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:51 am

Interested (champs at the Watterson Bowl!) but I'm not going to be able to host.

*Clap clap clap clap clap*
"Congrats to New Wolfopolis...and now, Watterson Bowl Champions...the Llamaland Lligers!
*Wild cheering*
"Now, we present Super-Llamaland with the Watterson Bowl!"
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Postby New Wolfopolis » Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:18 am

I'm also interested and unable to host.
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Postby German Shepherds » Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:58 am

I had an idea where there could be a season and then playoffs, then Watterson Bowl, but I think we should restart the Watterson Bowl and get more interest before we do that.
For: Canoli's, NFL, Christmas, Thanksgiving, pizza, ice cream, watermelon, doggies, snow, summer nights, Santa Claus

Against: Slushy stuff that snow turns into after it rains, feminists,I kinda dislike anime, when people call American Football "egghand" because that is a stupid name even if it has some logic

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Postby German Shepherds » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:36 am

*bump!*
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:49 am

German Shepherds wrote:I had an idea where there could be a season and then playoffs, then Watterson Bowl, but I think we should restart the Watterson Bowl and get more interest before we do that.


You shouldn't restart the Watterson Bowl; that's Shadowbourne's tournament, and while there would be no objection to a Calvinball tournament as far as I'm concerned, you can't claim a name that's already been used by another user.
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Postby German Shepherds » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:35 pm

The Licentian Isles wrote:
German Shepherds wrote:I had an idea where there could be a season and then playoffs, then Watterson Bowl, but I think we should restart the Watterson Bowl and get more interest before we do that.


You shouldn't restart the Watterson Bowl; that's Shadowbourne's tournament, and while there would be no objection to a Calvinball tournament as far as I'm concerned, you can't claim a name that's already been used by another user.

Oh, I thought it was just the official name. I guess either we can make a World Cup of Calvinball, and some other tournaments like a Hobbes Cup and a Calvin Cup.
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Postby Shadowbourne » Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:24 pm

...I would certainly have no problem with a reboot of the Watterson Bowl, provided someone else would be willing to organize it.

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Postby German Shepherds » Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:41 pm

Of course. I think we should wait for more interest and maybe wait until all the World Cups are done, considering that most people will RP there.
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Postby New Wolfopolis » Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:03 pm

Shadowbourne wrote:...I would certainly have no problem with a reboot of the Watterson Bowl, provided someone else would be willing to organize it.

Host (ya know, host duties) or organize (like, sign-up threads, stuff like that)?
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Second Place: Watterson Bowl I
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Postby Shadowbourne » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:05 pm

New Wolfopolis wrote:Host (ya know, host duties) or organize (like, sign-up threads, stuff like that)?

Both, although ideally there would be some sort of bidding system to determine the host.

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Postby New Wolfopolis » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:07 pm

Shadowbourne wrote:Both, although ideally there would be some sort of bidding system to determine the host.

I could organize it (as long as I get to be called President of the International Watterson Bowl Committee :P JK) if you like.
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Postby Shadowbourne » Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:34 pm

That'd be great.

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Postby Super-Llamaland » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:58 pm

I'd be interested in scorinating Calvinball events. After we get this going, this should convert into a discussion thread.

Possible Tournaments (ranked in descending order of PRESTIGE)

Watterson Bowl
World Cup of Calvinball
Calvinball Legends Invitational (only past semifinalists or something): really rare
Calvinball World Open
Unranked Calvinball Championships

And then unofficial tournaments like Hobbes Cups and Calvin Cups, of course, somewhere between the CLI and the UCC.
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Postby New Wolfopolis » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:00 pm

So, when do people want to get things started? It hasn't been too terribly long since Watterson Bowl I (we should change that name, IMO: World Bowl and Watterson Bowl both have WB acronym. I was going to propose Watterson Bowl of Calvinball, but then it's WBC, and that doesn't work either) but I think the next logical tournament would be Watterson Bowl II, to drum up more interest since there doesn't seem to be a ton right now.

Also, German Shepherds: I think you should change the title of the topic to "Calvinball Discussion Thread," since that's basically what it's become.
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Champion: None
Second Place: Watterson Bowl I
Third Place: BoI XIV, IBS III, WHS I
Fourth Place: IWC
Host: WBC 30, IWC, Maple Leaf Bowl II, KWC III, NSCAA ACC
Co-Host: IBS III, IBS IV
Founder of World Hoops Showcase
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Also, our sports teams are the Wolfpack, not the Wolves.
Super-Llamaland wrote:"But coach...that's so...that's so New Wolfopolis!"
"Yeah, New Wolfopolis is a good team."
"No, that's not what I meant! It's--organized!"

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Postby Shadowbourne » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:08 pm

New Wolfopolis wrote:So, when do people want to get things started? It hasn't been too terribly long since Watterson Bowl I (we should change that name, IMO: World Bowl and Watterson Bowl both have WB acronym. I was going to propose Watterson Bowl of Calvinball, but then it's WBC, and that doesn't work either) but I think the next logical tournament would be Watterson Bowl II, to drum up more interest since there doesn't seem to be a ton right now.


Well, with the Winter Olympics coming up, we would probably either want to either start it in the near future or just push it back until late February/early March. As far as changing the name goes, I don't know that it's really necessary, but I'd be OK with it.

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Postby New Wolfopolis » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:00 pm

Taking Shadowbourne's comment into consideration, I propose we start signups around the end of IBC. This way, IBC will be over, World Cup will be winding down (I think, I'm not in it so I have no idea but I've seen it around the forums for a while) and most High School/College finals will be over so people will have more time to RP.
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Second Place: Watterson Bowl I
Third Place: BoI XIV, IBS III, WHS I
Fourth Place: IWC
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Co-Host: IBS III, IBS IV
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Postby German Shepherds » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:21 pm

New Wolfopolis wrote:Taking Shadowbourne's comment into consideration, I propose we start signups around the end of IBC. This way, IBC will be over, World Cup will be winding down (I think, I'm not in it so I have no idea but I've seen it around the forums for a while) and most High School/College finals will be over so people will have more time to RP.

Agreed, that should also be after the holidays, right?
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Postby New Wolfopolis » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:25 pm

German Shepherds wrote:
New Wolfopolis wrote:Taking Shadowbourne's comment into consideration, I propose we start signups around the end of IBC. This way, IBC will be over, World Cup will be winding down (I think, I'm not in it so I have no idea but I've seen it around the forums for a while) and most High School/College finals will be over so people will have more time to RP.

Agreed, that should also be after the holidays, right?


I don't think we can have 6-13 days between signups and this tournament starting, so even if we opened signups today, the holiday season will have passed by the time Watterson Bowl II would start.
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Champion: None
Second Place: Watterson Bowl I
Third Place: BoI XIV, IBS III, WHS I
Fourth Place: IWC
Host: WBC 30, IWC, Maple Leaf Bowl II, KWC III, NSCAA ACC
Co-Host: IBS III, IBS IV
Founder of World Hoops Showcase
Member of the WBC Council
Also, our sports teams are the Wolfpack, not the Wolves.
Super-Llamaland wrote:"But coach...that's so...that's so New Wolfopolis!"
"Yeah, New Wolfopolis is a good team."
"No, that's not what I meant! It's--organized!"

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Postby Super-Llamaland » Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:55 pm

Shadowbourne wrote:
New Wolfopolis wrote:So, when do people want to get things started? It hasn't been too terribly long since Watterson Bowl I (we should change that name, IMO: World Bowl and Watterson Bowl both have WB acronym. I was going to propose Watterson Bowl of Calvinball, but then it's WBC, and that doesn't work either) but I think the next logical tournament would be Watterson Bowl II, to drum up more interest since there doesn't seem to be a ton right now.


Well, with the Winter Olympics coming up, we would probably either want to either start it in the near future or just push it back until late February/early March. As far as changing the name goes, I don't know that it's really necessary, but I'd be OK with it.


So...expect a Watterson Bowl or a World Cup of Calvinball in March?
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Postby Shadowbourne » Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:09 am

Super-Llamaland wrote:So...expect a Watterson Bowl or a World Cup of Calvinball in March?

Basically, yes.

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This dead or?
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Postby Super-Llamaland » Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:45 pm

Hobbesistan wrote:This dead or?


No, we're just waiting for March to start signups. (After the Winter Olympics)
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