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The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, version III)

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:27 pm
by NSWC Signups
Starblaydia wrote:The WCDT Version II has been locked for going over 500 pages - please continue discussion in this thread.

We'll get the Constitution and useful links edited into this post, too at some point soon - Star

And lo, did Lord Max of Barry send forth his violet salsa prophets to proclaim a new land for the jolted sportsmen of the world. A place was made for them, even referencing the old Forum Seven joke. And there was much hilarity and rolling of dice, whilst sacrificing many chickens of rubber for the Margaret that knows all and annoys all, bringing luck to those who deserve it not, and tragedy to those who post not a roster.

And they did come forth in great numbers to come together and play and discuss and whine and roll dice about sport.

And the sport was Football. Or Soccer, as some heathen differently-worshipping brothers called it.

And they did discuss it in an OOC fashion in this very spot, oh yey, with the OP of the thread being most excellent for leaving Ye Olde World Cup Committee's Constitutional Document, n'shit:

World Cup Committee Constitution wrote:Constitution of the World Cup Committee
This constitution replaces all previous World Cup Committee rules.

Overview
The World Cup Committee (WCC) is a body of nations to regulate and run the Nationstates World Cup (NSWC or WC) and its two associated tournaments, the Baptism of Fire (BoF) and Cup of Harmony (CoH), made up of nations involved in those tournaments. It is older than the World Assembly, but younger than the United Nations before it Ceased and Desisted.

1. Organisation
The World Cup Committee consists of: A President, a Vice-President and two types of members. 'Regular' WCC members, and 'Executive' members who form the Executive World Cup Committee (EWCC). It is, contrary to popular belief, run by a set of rules, which are detailed in this constitution.

1.1 The World Cup Committee
1.1.1 Entry
Nations are admitted to the WCC in two ways:
i) Posting a valid, timely roster or squad list in each of the most recent two completed World Cup's official Roster threads grants membership of the WCC. This must then be renewed each Cup to maintain membership.
ii) Hosting a World Cup to its completion, which grants a nation permanent membership of the WCC. However, that user may only exercise their privileges as a WCC member as long as one of their nations has participated in the most recent World Cup.

1.1.2 Rights and Obligations
WCC members are allowed to:
i) Nominate and vote for a WCC President and Vice-President
ii) Vote on World Cup hosting bids.
iii) Vote on Cup of Harmony hosting bids.
iv) Propose and vote on changes to the WCC Constitution



1.2 The Executive World Cup Committee
1.2.1 Entry
Users of nations which have hosted a World Cup to its completion are admitted permanently to the EWCC. However, that user may only exercise their privileges as an EWCC member as long as one of their nations has participated in the most recent World Cup.

1.2.2 Rights and Obligations
EWCC members are allowed to, in addition to the rights of a WCC member:
i) Vote on Baptism of Fire hosting bids.

1.2.3 Other (E)WCC Rules
i) The list of members of the EWCC and WCC must be publicly available.
ii) Should one person control multiple nations on the WCC or EWCC, those nations will have only one combined vote, and be considered as a user.
iiI) Should one person deceive people into believing that their nations participating in WCC-sanctioned events are controlled by separate people, all nations controlled by that person will be removed from the WCC and EWCC, and can only be reinstated by a vote of the EWCC.



1.3 The Presidency
The WCC President acts as a figurehead for the World Cup Committee, and is elected from a list of nominees nominated by the WCC. The President calls for and collects the votes (via telegram, instant message, smoke signal, carrier pigeon, etc) for World Cup Host, Cup of Harmony Host and WCC President votes, as well as begins and maintains the World Cup Signups thread. The President is usually a pillar of the World Cup community.

1.3.1 Appointment
i) Presidential terms shall last for three World Cups (eg 46-48, 49-51, 52-54, etc)
ii) Elections for the WCC President shall be held after every third World Cup, giving adequate preparation time for any hand-over to take place immediately upon completion (i.e. the World Cup and Cup of Harmony Finals) of the last Cup in the Presidential cycle.
ii) Any WCC user may nominate any one other user for the position and any user receiving more than two nominations will be considered a candidate.
iii) Any user can decline to receive nominations.
iv) If there is only one candidate for President, that candidate will become the President. Otherwise, the WCC will vote on which of the candidates should be the President immediately after the nomination process.
v) If the President is unable to fulfill his/her duties, then the interim President shall be the first available person of: the Vice-President, the candidates in the most recent presidential election (sorted by highest vote total), the members of the EWCC (sorted by earliest WC hosted), and the hosts of the Baptism of Fire tournament and Cup of Harmony (sorted by earliest tournament hosted). If two or more eligible successors are equal in any of these criteria, then they shall be sorted in alphabetical order.

1.3.2 Responsibilities
i) The WCC President is responsible for initiating all WCC or EWCC votes, and makes the final decision on what proposals are voted upon, except when that decision would contradict a rule.
ii) The President maintains and provides the lists of WCC and EWCC members, determines the length of time of every vote, and may choose how to proceed if an EWCC or WCC vote results in a tie.
ii) The President will initiate World Cup Signups with the official NSWC Signups forum account, who's password will be made known to all Presidents.
iii) If the President is involved in a WCC-sanctioned hosting vote as a candidate, the Vice-President will be called on to collect the votes.

1.4 The Vice-President
i) The Vice-President is selected in accordance with rule 1.3.1
ii) The Vice-President is the first user responsible for taking over if the sitting WCC President is unable to fulfill his/her duties.
iii) If the President and Vice-President are both involved in a WCC-sanctioned hosting vote as candidates, members of the EWCC will be called on to collect the votes.

1.5 Elections
Members of the WCC shall ballot for President and Vice President after the nominees have been determined. Each voter's ballot is a list of any number of nominees in order of preference for the office of President.
i) Initial count. The designated vote collector counts the first eligible preference on each ballot. If one nominee is named as the first preference on a majority of all ballots cast, they shall become President.
ii) Elimination and reallocation. Otherwise, the remaining nominee(s) with the fewest number of ballots are eliminated from consideration. Their ballots are reallocated to the nominee listed with the highest preference who is still under consideration.
iii) Recounting. After reallocation, the ballots are again counted. If a nominee receives a majority of the ballots after any recount, they shall become President.
iv) Additional recounts as needed. Otherwise, repeat the Step 2 and 3 process of elimination and reallocation until either one candidate receives a majority or there is only one candidate remaining, who then becomes President.
v) Vice-President. To determine the Vice President, start again with all ballots being cast for their first preferences. Treat the newly-elected President as eliminated, reallocate their ballots, and count. Then continue as above until a Vice-President is elected.
vi) Deadlock. If all remaining uneliminated nominees have the same number of votes at any stage, eliminate the nominee(s) with the smallest number of first preferences on all ballots and reallocate as above. Should all such nominees still be tied, use second-, third, and lower preferences in order until a difference is found to eliminate the lowest.
vii) One nominee. If there is only one nominee, no ballot is required. They become President without an election.


2. WCC-Sanctioned events
2.1 Overview
i) The World Cup, Cup of Harmony, and Baptism of Fire tournaments are the only WCC-sanctioned events. The WCC has no rights or responsibilities over the running of any other event.
ii) The host(s) of a WCC-sanctioned event have complete control and responsibility of that event, except where that control has been given to the WCC, EWCC, or WCC President by other rules.
iii) A party bidding to host a WCC-sanctioned event must clearly declare, before voting starts, any significant changes from the normal operation of the event.
iv)The EWCC may vote to replace the host(s) of a WCC-sanctioned event if they are no longer able to proceed as hosts or if there is a serious problem with how the event is run by the host(s). Should this happen, the President must choose the replacement host(s) from available bids.
v) World Cup Hosts must produce a list for the President, at the end of their World Cup, of nations that have posted Rosters for the WCC Membership records.

2.2 The Baptism of Fire
The Baptism of Fire is the first event in the World Cup cycle, being a pre-World Cup tournament for newcomer nations. It is a warm-up event that has continually unearthed the best new nations in world football. And the worst. In fact, all of them, regardless of quality.

2.2.1 Entry
The conditions for entry into the BoF are:
i) A nation must not have previously participated in a WCC-sanctioned Baptism of Fire
ii) A nation must have zero KPB points at the beginning of the World Cup cycle
iii) A nation must have signed up for the World Cup in the appropriate Signup Thread and also indicated a wish to enter the Baptism of Fire.

2.2.2 Hosting
i) Any nation that has previously participated in a World Cup and is signed up for the current edition of the World Cup may bid to host the BoF.
ii) Two-host bids are the preferred format, though any number of hosts are acceptable.
iii) The EWCC will be directed by the President to vote: a) for one of the offered bids, b) to officially abstain, or c) to re-open the process for new bids.


2.3 The World Cup
The World Cup is the second, and most important, event in the World Cup Cycle. It will always consist of 32 teams (including the co-hosts), who have been whittled down by the Qualifying Process to turn scores of hopeful countries into thirty relieved ones and countless disappointed ones. It is the longest running sports competition on Nationstates, dating back to early 2003 when internet piracy barely existed, and Max Barry was still trying to simply promote a book.

2.3.1 Entry
The conditions for entry into the World cup are:
i) A nation must have signed up for the World Cup in the appropriate Signup Thread
ii) A user may only sign up one nation in their first entry, but may from their second entry onwards sign up a second nation known as a puppet. This nation will be treated separately for the purposes of BoF/WC/CoH entry, but will not give the user a second vote on the WCC or EWCC.

2.3.2 Hosting
i) Any nation that has previously participated in a World Cup, and participated in its most recently completed edition, may bid to host the World Cup, except if the user has co-hosted the previous World Cup.
ii) Bids must consist of at least two hosts.
iii) The WCC will be directed by the President to vote: a) for one of the offered bids, b) to officially abstain, or c) to re-open the process for new bids.
iv) Friendlies are not the responsibility of the hosts beyond basic organisation. Co-hosts may not include as part of their proposal any information on the organisation of friendlies, nor may they answer questions on friendly organisation. Co-hosts may choose to start a thread for friendly organisation, may choose to schedule slots in World Cup qualification for friendlies, and may limit the number of friendlies; but there is no presumption that co-hosts will scorinate any friendly matches, and nations holding friendlies should assume that they are responsible for arranging their own friendly scorination unless otherwise specified.



2.4 The Cup of Harmony
The Cup of Harmony is the third and last event in the World Cup cycle. It is designed to be the Cup of Losers Non-Qualifiers, who have failed to get to the World Cup itself but have still demonstrated an insane desire to try and lift some sort of silverware. Originally called the Frosty Cup, the term Cup of Harmony is a much better name for the participating nations who just couldn't make it to the actual World Cup.

2.4.1 Entry
The conditions for entry into the Cup of Harmony are:
i) A nation must have signed up for the corresponding World Cup in the appropriate Signup Thread
ii) That nation must have failed to qualify for that World Cup, given the conditions set by the hosts.
iii) That nation must have posted at least one roleplay in the appropriate RP thread during the corresponding World Cup
iv) That nation must also have indicated a desire to play in the Cup of Harmony in response to a host invitation.

2.4.2 Hosting
i) Any nation that has previously participated in a World Cup and is participating in the current edition of the World Cup may bid to host the Cup of Harmony.
ii) Two-host bids are the preferred format, though any number of hosts are acceptable.
iii) The WCC will be directed by the President to vote: a) for one of the offered bids, b) to officially abstain, or c) to re-open the process for new bids.



3. Official Rankings
Originally created by Kaze Progressa, with some modifications by Bedistan, the KPB rankings are the only place to compare one nation's skill (or lack thereof) with another.

3.1 KPB Rankings
i) Every World Cup shall use the official KPB Rankings system to determine ranks before the Qualifiers begin
ii) The ranking formula must be public
iii) The full list of ranks must be made publicly available in a suitable format
iv) Any changes to the KPB formula must be approved by WCC vote.

3.1.1 KPB Updates
i) The ranks must be updated in a timely manner by responsible and knowledgeable WCC members
ii) The ranks must be updated after the Baptism of Fire, so new nations receive their correct rank going into the World Cup (Qualifiers).
iii) The ranks may be updated after World Cup Qualifiers at the request of the World Cup hosts.
iv) The ranks must be updated after the World Cup and Cup of Harmony Finals have both finished.



4. Rule Changes
4.1 Procedure
i) This constitution takes effect once passed by a two-thirds majority of the WCC.
ii) The WCC may vote to amend or repeal any portion of this proposal.
iii) The WCC may vote to pass any new proposal. If a new proposal contradicts an older proposal, the new proposal supercedes the old one unless otherwise stated. Passage of a new proposal shall be achieved only if the proposal receives a majority of votes from those voting. If multiple contradicting proposals concerning the same subject are considered for vote simultaneously, at least two rounds of voting must be held, with an Instant Runoff/Preferential system also fulfilling this requirement.

4.2 Definitition of: "The (E)WCC may vote..."
i) When a vote to select a Hosting bid is initiated by the President, a majority of those voting shall be required to decide the outcome. Users that have submitted a hosting bid are not permitted to participate in voting for the event they have placed a bid for. Voters are instructed to cast a single ballot listing their hosting preference, along with the order in which the other options, including the option to re-open bids, should be considered. If no option receives a majority of the first preference votes cast, the bid with the fewest number of votes shall be eliminated, and the ballots cast in that direction re-counted using their next preference. The mechanics of the vote shall follow the mechanics laid out by article 1.5 (Elections), with a focus on clauses i,ii,iii,iv, and vi, with the exception that the option to re-open the process for new bids may not be eliminated by any result but another option receiving a full majority.
ii) Any proposal by a WCC member can, if supported by three other WCC members, be put to a WCC-wide vote.


Stuff you should read:
A guide to sports role-playing - a comprehensive guide on what sports role-playing is about, how to do it, and how to enjoy it. It also contains links to a variety of other useful threads.
World Cup FAQs - a semi-complete list of Frequently Asked Questions, as well as some questions that are not so frequently-asked.
General Sports Role-Playing Questions - in case you have questions that aren't answered in the previous two links.
World Cup NSwiki, Baptism of Fire NSwiki, Cup of Harmony NSwiki - articles on the major WC tournaments, including details like former champions.
NS World Cup: Presidential Announcements - the acting president will post announcements regarding hosts, hosting, and votes. This is very important information regarding running specific tournaments.
The current KPB rankings - updated as of the cycle posted in the signature and/or on the document itself

Past WCDT links
Version I
Version II

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:27 pm
by Civil Citizenry
umm dood what sport is this

:p

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:28 pm
by Taeshan
Of course star would be around to open the new thread....Then three days from now he shall vanish into the mist.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:31 pm
by Ko-oren
Can't we ask if the mods open the other thread for a few minutes so that someone doesn't need to spend over 9000 hours to redo the op?

(And maybe keep rankings updated so that I don't have to look for them all the time and forget where they were?)

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:34 pm
by Socialist States Owen
It's a shame this had to be started in the first place.

Onwards, we shall continue!

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:36 pm
by Starblaydia
Ko-oren wrote:Can't we ask if the mods open the other thread for a few minutes so that someone doesn't need to spend over 9000 hours to redo the op?

I'm sure Arch will be able to copy and paste the Constitution over for us.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:38 pm
by Ko-oren
Not just the text, but the tags etc mainly =D

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:39 pm
by Ancharmunn
He's a mod, so I think he has powers which allow him to copy formatting from otherwise locked posts.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:43 pm
by Starblaydia
Ko-oren wrote:Not just the text, but the tags etc mainly =D

I'm the only one who really knows how long it took to make those tags, being as I'm the one that wrote it all like that in the first place :p

Ancharmunn wrote:He's a mod, so I think he has powers which allow him to copy formatting from otherwise locked posts.

This.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:43 pm
by Mangolana
I hope so, don't want to have to go back and forth between threads to see constitution when needed to.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:59 pm
by Nakatumo Isle
ooh, shiny new thread :eek:

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:30 pm
by New West Guiana
Ko-oren wrote:(And maybe keep rankings updated so that I don't have to look for them all the time and forget where they were?)


That would be nice.

Oh that thread had so much history in it, but at lest it will be saved and hopefully archived.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:09 pm
by Michael VII
So for RP purposes, where are the Pod matches being played? It says neutral sites, so is that at TBI/Saugeais? Or elsewhere?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:35 pm
by Qazox
Whine whine whine

BITCH BITCH BITCH

complain complain complain


Qazox now has offically broken in the WCDT3.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:46 pm
by Vilita
Well this thread seems strangely small :)

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:14 pm
by The Babbage Islands
Michael VII wrote:So for RP purposes, where are the Pod matches being played? It says neutral sites, so is that at TBI/Saugeais? Or elsewhere?


From the RP thread, courtesy of a not-very-old edit:

  • First-place teams qualify for World Cup
  • Second-place teams enter four-team playoff pods at neutral sites
  • Pod winners (six) qualify for World Cup

All pod matches scorinated by TBI

Pod Round One (Thu 20 June)

At Tapandie Stadium (36000), Metalton, Saugeais
1A: Gp 1 v Gp 2
1B: Gp 3 v Gp 4
At Callahan & Babcock Arena (39275), Bloomfield, Verne, TBI
1C: Gp 5 v Gp 6
1D: Gp 7 v Gp 8
At Circle Stadium (39000) in Longview, Saugeais
1E: Gp 9 v Gp 10
1F: Gp 11 v Gp 12
At Maes Cymreig (26722), Great Falls, North Island, TBI
1G: Gp 13 v Gp 14
1H: Gp 15 v Gp 16
At Pitape Stadium (47850), Gilley, Saugeais
1I: Gp 17 v Gp 18
1J: Gp 19 v Gp 20
At Memorial Park (42357), Belgium, Daimler, TBI
1K: Gp 21 v Gp 22
1L: Gp 23 v Gp 24

Pod Round Two (Fri 21 June)

2A: Winners 1A and 1B at Tapandie Stadium
2B: Winners 1C and 1D at Callahan & Babcock Arena
2C: Winners 1E and 1F at Circle Stadium
2D: Winners 1G and 1H at Maes Cymreig
2E: Winners 1I and 1J at Pitape Stadium
2F: Winners 1K and 1L at Memorial Park

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:19 pm
by Valanora
Some people, geez.

Well, this still has a new thread smell to it. Imagine that will go away soon what with tomorrow being the last MD. Oh Elune, let the peace last long.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:37 pm
by Jeruselem
Interesting playoff format. Prefer to avoid them altogether then!

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:07 pm
by Civil Citizenry
Well, that's seven failures at qualification. I dunno how many RPs I posted this tournament (including three in one day), but now I'm getting up there with some of the most futile nations ever. Just gotta keep grinding away.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:12 pm
by Jeruselem
Civil Citizenry wrote:Well, that's seven failures at qualification. I dunno how many RPs I posted this tournament (including three in one day), but now I'm getting up there with some of the most futile nations ever. Just gotta keep grinding away.


So you're officially more futile than Jeruselem was.

Congrats to the following (undecided positions left off the list)

Qualified
* Jeru FC
* ASMV
* Gyatso-kai
* The FSSO
* Jedi8246
* Jeruselem
* Mytannion
* Dorian and Sonya
* Bostopia
* Valladares
* Bears Armed
* Sargossa
* New Montreal States
* Erathore
* Cafundeu
* Cassadaigua
* Polar Islandstates
* Mangolana
* Chetkosk
* Cotdelapoms

Play-off
* Michael VII
* Kulverint
* Ipeland
* Nicole Scherzinger
* Vilita
* Ko-oren

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:13 pm
by Jeruselem
Code: Select all
Group 9                             Pld    W   D   L    GF   GA   GD   Pts
1 Cotdelapoms                          13   10   0   3    34   14  +20    30 P
2 Legalese                             13    8   4   1    31   19  +12    28
3 Qazox                                13    7   4   2    29   21   +8    25
4 Phoenigetuzstha                      13    6   3   4    23   18   +5    21 E
5 Starblaydia                          13    4   3   6    11   15   −4    15 E
6 Ishaanabad                           13    2   4   7     8   17   −9    10 E
7 Isointania                           13    2   3   8    13   26  −13     9 E
8 Arcquest                             13    2   1  10    12   31  −19     7 E


Oh dear, Qaz is going real happy LOL

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:24 pm
by Michael VII
Well this will be interesting. I've guaranteed second place in the group...YAY! But these pods scare me. First I'd have to beat Kulverint or Silver Beach, and then almost surely play the winner between Arch and THE. Guess M7's luck has to run out some time...

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:28 pm
by Western cuba
Well how about that, my first matchday not posting a rp and I win by five! Is Margaret telling me something?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:30 pm
by Jeruselem
Good luck there Michael VII, the pods look scary even to veteran like me!

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:33 pm
by Qazox
Jeruselem wrote:
Code: Select all
Group 9                             Pld    W   D   L    GF   GA   GD   Pts
1 Cotdelapoms                          13   10   0   3    34   14  +20    30 P
2 Legalese                             13    8   4   1    31   19  +12    28
3 Qazox                                13    7   4   2    29   21   +8    25
4 Phoenigetuzstha                      13    6   3   4    23   18   +5    21 E
5 Starblaydia                          13    4   3   6    11   15   −4    15 E
6 Ishaanabad                           13    2   4   7     8   17   −9    10 E
7 Isointania                           13    2   3   8    13   26  −13     9 E
8 Arcquest                             13    2   1  10    12   31  −19     7 E


Oh dear, Qaz is going real happy LOL

I'll refer you to this post:
Qazox wrote:Whine whine whine

BITCH BITCH BITCH

complain complain complain


Qazox now has offically broken in the WCDT3.


Just got it out of the way early I guess. Gotta say my group turned out to be one of the GoD's this time around and just gotta go :clap: to Cotdelapoms and Legalese. But this of the positive, maybe I can win a CoH finally! :rofl: