Community Football development thread

[Kinitaria]

Although I've just discovered this, I'd be interested in taking part in an international tournament.

I do have a few questions, however.
Offside - Does it exist, can a player be offside? Under what circumstances?

Time - when does each period stop? Some suggestions:
Dead on 15 minutes
When more than 15 minutes have elapsed and the ball next goes out of play
After 15 minutes, plus any time added on to compensate for stoppages

Substitutes - assuming a team is allowed to use five substitutions, do five players sit on the bench, or more?

Players' equipment should probably be defined (each player must wear X).

Fouls - should all fouls give a ground ball? What if a player is two yards from goal and is rugby-tackled by an opponent? A ground ball would give the offending team an advantage.

Those are things I think need to be clarified, however, I also have a few rule ideas:
A team which has fewer than six (five?) players on the field due to either warnings or ejection forfeits the game.
Dissent towards a match official is a foul.
Climbing on the goalposts (to get extra height) is a foul.
Is 5 meters the right height for the crossbar? Rugby crossbars are 3 meters.

[The Babbage Islands]

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Also, what do you think about changing the thread name to "Community Football Discussion Thread", as that is what it had effectively become?

How about 'development thread' for a while, then 'discussion' when we think we're done. Personally, I would like to iron out the detail which is missing from the rules, or from the general understanding of game play. I agree with TBI & Carmadin that we've got ourselves a game of Community Football, but are we finished?

Development Thread sounds about right.

Although I've just discovered this, I'd be interested in taking part in an international tournament.

I do have a few questions, however.
Offside - Does it exist, can a player be offside? Under what circumstances?

Time - when does each period stop? Some suggestions:
Dead on 15 minutes
When more than 15 minutes have elapsed and the ball next goes out of play
After 15 minutes, plus any time added on to compensate for stoppages

Substitutes - assuming a team is allowed to use five substitutions, do five players sit on the bench, or more?

Players' equipment should probably be defined (each player must wear X).

Fouls - should all fouls give a ground ball? What if a player is two yards from goal and is rugby-tackled by an opponent? A ground ball would give the offending team an advantage.

Those are things I think need to be clarified, however, I also have a few rule ideas:
A team which has fewer than six (five?) players on the field due to either warnings or ejection forfeits the game.
Dissent towards a match official is a foul.
Climbing on the goalposts (to get extra height) is a foul.
Is 5 meters the right height for the crossbar? Rugby crossbars are 3 meters.

Nice meaty post. Let's try for answers.

1. Offside, at present, does not exist.
2. A period ends when the head official says it does--15 minutes, plus time added for significant injury.
3. Five subs was a working rule for the just-concluded convocation. Nothing has really been settled on subs.
4. Equipment can be defined but is fairly low in priority compared to other play issues.
5. Great question on fouls -- and it also reminds me of a question raised in RP over the concept of advantage ("play on").

Your rule ideas:
Forfeit for failure to have X players on the field: Not likely to be necessary, as all warnings/ejections are temporary player shortages.
Dissent: Unsportsmanlike conduct is already a foul-with-sanction; that should cover dissent.
Climbing on the goalpost: Yes, this should go on the list.
Crossbar height: 5 m is high by design, to keep scoring from getting out of hand. It certainly could be discussed.

[The Kiaser Colonies]

It would surprise me how anyone could climb onto a 5m high bar without either pole vaulting or a ladder so that shouldn't be a problem, leave that down to "Godmod events" in RP permissions as i see no problem but if you insist, make a rule.

1) i feel there should be no offside

3) 5 subs seems to be generally accepted now.

4) equipment: boots, jersey, shorts? i see no need for a helmet, shin guards or a cup/box as it is essentially a non-contact sport

5) maybe the ground ball could just be taken from where the foul was committed or if it is too close to goals to score then it could be moved back X metres.

Forfeit: is there any point in having forfeits? if we have the substitution loop-hole for ejection it would take 8-11 red cards for this and i doubt that anyone would RP or even allow such to happen. Even so i don't think there should be a forfeit anyway. Even if a team went 3 or 4 men down they could still play the game.

Dissent: agreed. there should be no space for dissent in any sport. i think it should carry a penalty. first instance if a player talks back when (a) its an opponents ground ball then it is moved up 5 metres (b) its their teams ground ball then it is turned over to the other team. second and further instances are a yellow card. anyone else agree?

[Carmadin]

Although I've just discovered this, I'd be interested in taking part in an international tournament.

I do have a few questions, however.
Offside - Does it exist, can a player be offside? Under what circumstances?

Time - when does each period stop? Some suggestions:
Dead on 15 minutes
When more than 15 minutes have elapsed and the ball next goes out of play
After 15 minutes, plus any time added on to compensate for stoppages

Substitutes - assuming a team is allowed to use five substitutions, do five players sit on the bench, or more?

Players' equipment should probably be defined (each player must wear X).

Fouls - should all fouls give a ground ball? What if a player is two yards from goal and is rugby-tackled by an opponent? A ground ball would give the offending team an advantage.

Those are things I think need to be clarified, however, I also have a few rule ideas:
A team which has fewer than six (five?) players on the field due to either warnings or ejection forfeits the game.
Dissent towards a match official is a foul.
Climbing on the goalposts (to get extra height) is a foul.
Is 5 meters the right height for the crossbar? Rugby crossbars are 3 meters.

As TBI said, good post, good questions.
My opinions:

Offside: I think some measures should be taken to prevent goal-hanging, but that offsides may be difficult on a circular pitch. Perhaps something like

No player may score unless
A. An opposing player is between them and the target goal at the time they recieved the ball
B. A does not apply, but the player recived the ball in the inner ring
or
C. A player traveled from the outer ring, through the inner ring, and back into the outer ring on the oppisite side, all the time handling the ball themselves, and not relinquishing possesion

So, in "translation",
A is pretty much the football offside rule
B is "Get the ball in the inner ring-no worries
C is "a rampaging cross-field run is not offside

That's my take on it, feedback appreciated

Time: 15 minutes, plus stoppage time as per head official

Subs: I would assume substitutions for substitutes would be permitted, which would mean more than the alloted sub number on the bench

Equipment: I think the kits made by Wight, with light padding inside, along with standard football or rugby shorts would work well. I don't think there is a need for helmets or heavy padding


Fouls: There should definetly be a play-advantage or play-on rule, I believe I said that when TKC originally brought up the ground ball idea.
Perhaps a blatant foul in the outer ring, and within the goalposts (that is, between the 2 imaginary lines drawn from goalpost to opposing goalpost), which could be called the "goal area", merits a drop-kick from the 18m line?

Forfeit: No, I don't think it's necessary. As TKC said, it would mean an absurd number of bookings in a match, and even then, a team would presumably be down to 4 or 5 only at the very end, meaning the game would be nearly over anyway

Dissent: Yes!

Climbing on the Posts: Well, if you can climb up 5 meters (15 feet) a post while still playing the game and helping the team, you shouldn't be playing, you should be waiting for the Olympics, and going out for the pole vault team
That said, climbing on players (not lifting) could be a foul

Height: Yes, 5 meters was intentional to make scoring harder

[The Kiaser Colonies]

i think it was Wight who had the ground ball idea.

I still think offsides should not be included. It allows the game to flow freely and lets players get on with the game. Also ICly people would want to watch a quick paced free flowing event, having offsides would slow the game down since each time there would be a ground ball and the attack would change direction meaning it takes longer to score.

personally i think padding should be optional as for some it may be seen as extra weight and unnecessary.

climbing players would definitely be a foul since it is a non-contact sport. also it should be a foul for the ball carrier to run into an opposition player intentionally.

[Bears Armed]

What about flying players? After all, if there's no rule against them then sooner or later somebody's bound to try...

^_^

[Wight]

What about flying players? After all, if there's no rule against them then sooner or later somebody's bound to try...

^_^

Good point - better inform FIFA too!

[Carmadin]

A Bump, a thred title change, and a reminder that this thread exists!

Just a thought: Shall we try to get in a competition before proposing as a demonstration sport?

[The Kiaser Colonies]

I think first before a tournament we should work out the rules and give it a proper base so we should fix it then create a tournament

[Equestrian States]

What about flying players? After all, if there's no rule against them then sooner or later somebody's bound to try...

^_^

Dropping by to say that this would affect my RPs...alot. Seeing as I have Pegasai on all my sports teams, the exclusion of flying players would be a bit drastic. What I do is keep them on the group, but let them use their wings to jump a little higher or to go faster.

Oh, and a pat on the back for all of you. Nice job putting this all together guys.

[The Babbage Islands]

I think first before a tournament we should work out the rules and give it a proper base so we should fix it then create a tournament

^^^ This. Fix what needs to be fixed, ratify what needs to be ratified, and then have a full-blown tournament. It doesn't matter if it is ever a "demonstration sport" or part of a big multi-sport festival. Let's not dissipate the momentum we've built, and at all costs let us avoid the perfect becoming the enemy of the good.

[Carmadin]

I think first before a tournament we should work out the rules and give it a proper base so we should fix it then create a tournament

^^^ This. Fix what needs to be fixed, ratify what needs to be ratified, and then have a full-blown tournament. It doesn't matter if it is ever a "demonstration sport" or part of a big multi-sport festival. Let's not dissipate the momentum we've built, and at all costs let us avoid the perfect becoming the enemy of the good.

Excellent point

[The Babbage Islands]

After having said what I did above,

<snip> Fix what needs to be fixed, ratify what needs to be ratified, and then have a full-blown tournament. It doesn't matter if it is ever a "demonstration sport" or part of a big multi-sport festival.…

here I've gone and done it. So I'll call attention of the community football-playing nations to the existence of another tournament in the sport. Should you choose to sign up use the Games of the VII Olympiad sign-up thread, but please make sure you read the OP before doing so!

[Mapletish]

Glad that it is now in the Olympics,for Community Football teams to play in.

[Filopines]

I think it's time to have another competition but, I'm not hosting it. I don't have the courage to.

[Liventia]

I think it's time to have another competition but, I'm not hosting it. I don't have the courage to.

Yes, and if you re-read TBI's post, he points out it is being proposed as a demonstration Olympic sport.

[Krytenia]

I think it's time to have another competition but, I'm not hosting it. I don't have the courage to.

Yes, and if you re-read TBI's post, he points out it is being proposed as a demonstration Olympic sport.

Indeed, I have accepted it as such, subject to it getting enough entrants.

[Triimoria]

Looking at the NS wiki page, there's no information on player positions, might be something that needs to be remedied?

[The Babbage Islands]

Looking at the NS wiki page, there's no information on player positions, might be something that needs to be remedied?

Positions are still in flux given a sport in its infancy. The two rosters already posted for the ClearCola Classic exhibit different thoughts, and perusing the original Community Football Convocation thread will reveal several other ideas. Feel free to invent your own scheme. The only rules reference to positions involves roles on a center circle start or restart.

[Triimoria]

Looking at the NS wiki page, there's no information on player positions, might be something that needs to be remedied?

Positions are still in flux given a sport in its infancy. The two rosters already posted for the ClearCola Classic exhibit different thoughts, and perusing the original Community Football Convocation thread will reveal several other ideas. Feel free to invent your own scheme. The only rules reference to positions involves roles on a center circle start or restart.

Okay. Thanks!

[Triimoria]

Another quick question. I noticed several rosters including players as "lifters" what are they? Thanks.

[The Babbage Islands]

Another quick question. I noticed several rosters including players as "lifters" what are they? Thanks.

As noted on the wiki page:

The centre circle is used for starting play or restarting after interruptions. In a neutral start, one official blows a starting whistle blast and a second throws the ball up in the centre of the pitch. As the whistle blows two lifters for each side physically lift a third player, the centre, to compete for the ball.

[Cyborg Holland]

I'm just wondering, would Community Football be able to be brought into the real world? Obviously the pitch doesn't exist, so it'd have to be painted on/whatever. But could the sport be played IRL? Do the rules translate, and could they work?

I play at a local rugby club, and we have enough to form two teams (working off TBIs roster) and I was tossing up the idea of trying to play a game.

[Karditan]

I'm just wondering, would Community Football be able to be brought into the real world? Obviously the pitch doesn't exist, so it'd have to be painted on/whatever. But could the sport be played IRL? Do the rules translate, and could they work?

I play at a local rugby club, and we have enough to form two teams (working off TBIs roster) and I was tossing up the idea of trying to play a game.

I don't see why you couldn't give it a shot. The lifting may take some practice, but I don't think there's anything too unrealistic or improbable about the game.

[Wight]

I'm just wondering, would Community Football be able to be brought into the real world? Obviously the pitch doesn't exist, so it'd have to be painted on/whatever. But could the sport be played IRL? Do the rules translate, and could they work?

I play at a local rugby club, and we have enough to form two teams (working off TBIs roster) and I was tossing up the idea of trying to play a game.

There is nothing supernatural or other-wordily about it, so in theory, yes, I would think so. Be fascinated to know how it goes if you do it!