The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC)

[Starblaydia]

So, in an attempt to produce a (third) codified set of rules

Fourth—SN38’s rules, then Spaam’s, then mine…

Fourth it is, then. But blimey, what a list of members that was (made after WC20 I would imagine):

Ariddia, Total n Utter Insanity, Brazillico, Tanah Burung, Spaam, Kingsford, Audioslavia, Bedistan, Europa Brittania, One Red Dot, Kaze Progressa, Rejistania, Cockbill Street, Eauz, The Eagles Nest, Vilita, Giant Zucchini, The Belmore Family, Turori, Starblaydia, Druida

Not everything is covered in here at the moment, including such things as the WCC Vice-President, the actual procedure of calling emergency votes and initiating proposals, as well as a couple of other things, but I've not substantially changed anything, bar inserting my own thoughts (based on spirit, tradition and precedent) into the entry requirements for BoF, CoH and WC.

Is there anything in particular that is outside the scope of this document? Should the exact definition of the KPB ranking system be included (we’ve voted on changing it as if it were part of the rules, so maybe it could be)? Should the format of the World Cup final tournament be included?

I think including the KPBs could well be a good idea, as it's as integral to the Cup as anything else covered in the document. A note on keeping the format of the WC Finals akin as much as possible to replicate an RL World Cup Finals seems sensible also.

i) Elections for the WCC President shall be held after every third World Cup.

Perhaps there should be a definition of which third World Cups are meant, since the timing of the presidential vote has been a source of confusion on a few occasions?

The problem currently is that we do it a cup or so in advance, to take effect immediately after a term finishes so, yes, a bit of clarity there would help.

[Zwangzug]

Just pointing out a couple things in this draft that (I think) are different from we currently have...

However, that user may only exercise their privileges as an EWCC member as long as one of their nations has participated in the most recent World Cup.

Italics mine--is this new? I want to say this was part of an unsuccessful proposal during the EWCC renaming vote.

And then the formal suggestion that BoFs and CoHs be cohosted. What's the rationale behind this?

[Starblaydia]

Just pointing out a couple things in this draft that (I think) are different from we currently have...

However, that user may only exercise their privileges as an EWCC member as long as one of their nations has participated in the most recent World Cup.

Italics mine--is this new? I want to say this was part of an unsuccessful proposal during the EWCC renaming vote.

And then the formal suggestion that BoFs and CoHs be cohosted. What's the rationale behind this?

The inference from the old rule was as it is italicised, I believe, as it mentioned the player being 'active'. To be active in the World Cup, you need to be playing in it, hence that bit of re-wording.

The informal suggestion of 2 hosts has always been there. It has always been the preference for a pairing of one Experienced and one New host for both BoF and CoH. What I'm also attempting to do here is write all the un-written rules, so when somebody yells "Why can't I solo-host the CoH as my first hosting experience?', the answer is in the rules, rather than in the traditions and culture that one has to learn as they go along.

[Daehanjeiguk]

I think people don't like reading legalese, seeing as the only recognizable element in there is the odd numbering system that MS Word stuck in for me. But considering as I don't like reading Legalese either (despite its profligate precision) and regardless of whether Star (or Arch, or both) decided to scrap whatever the hell I sent them, it's a good draft, and I personally have no problems with the vocabulary or its intentions in principle.

As to the suggestion of co-hosts, I think that's personally a decision that the EWCC must make. And judging by the prevalent opinion, co-hosting for newer nations is usually the preferred option taken by the EWCC. I also think that changing the formats of the World Cup Finals is also a decision to be made by the EWCC. With the sole exception of one WCC-sponsored tournament (the infamous Swiss cheese doohickey), most tournaments have followed the formats of the World Cup Finals and most other existing RL tournaments. Whether the hosts wish to try some new blood should be left open as an option, however unenthusiastic I (and others) may be about changing the format the tournament. Somethings should be just left to tradition rather than subject to the scrutiny of future legalistic quibbles.

The one thing that might seem like a good thing is to make the KPB the official WCC ranks (or something along those lines) so when random n00bs decide to make their own rankings (ahem...), no one gets confused or upset. Although that's probably a far-fetched idea to begin with...

As for the BoF "qualifying" criterion, considering as I'm probably the worst offender for sending people into the BoF, I wouldn't care whether the rule was altered to make it impossible for post-WC12 participants to attempt the ordeal or not. Winning it once, and almost winning it twice is good enough...


EDIT - >>> I don't know if anyone else is having de same darned problem, but Jolt won't let me log in. If so, HOW THE %$#^ %$#^ %$#^ %$#^ %$#^ am I supposed to RP?

[Jeruselem]

EDIT - >>> I don't know if anyone else is having de same darned problem, but Jolt won't let me log in. If so, HOW THE %$#^ %$#^ %$#^ %$#^ %$#^ am I supposed to RP?

Log into NS ... click on JOLT and then click on the link "Go to the old Jolt forum anyway" which continues to the old Jolt forum.

[Yafor 2]

I think people don't like reading legalese,

But he's such a great guy!

Also, down with the EWCC.

[Quakmybush]

ba dum ching

[Daehanjeiguk]

I think people don't like reading legalese,

But he's such a great guy!

Also, down with the EWCC.

In the meantime, I was really talking about bureaucratese.

[Sarzonia]

I also agree with Yaf on the EWCC.

Down with it! Down I say! Down!

[Qazox]

Constitution of the World Cup Committee
This constitution replaces all previous World Cup Committee rules.


1.1 The World Cup Committee

1.1.1 Entry
Nations are admitted to the WCC in two ways:
i) Posting a valid, timely roster or squad list in each of the most recent two completed World Cup's official Roster threads grants membership of the WCC. This must then be renewed each Cup to maintain membership.
ii) Hosting a World Cup to its completion, which grants a nation permanent membership of the WCC, as long as it has participated in the most recent World Cup.

1.2.3 Other (E)WCC Rules
i) The list of members of the EWCC and WCC must be publicly available.
ii) Should one person control multiple nations on the WCC or EWCC, those nations will have only one combined vote, and be considered as a user.
iii) Should one person deceive people into believing that their nations participating in WCC-sanctioned events are controlled by separate people, all nations controlled by that person will be removed from the WCC and EWCC, and can only be reinstated by a vote of the EWCC.[/blocktext]

I would like to add an addendum to 1.1.1 Entry: iii): Nation MUST RP at least ONCE per World Cup participating. This way we can ensure that active nations have a say in voting for WC Hosts, WCC President/Vice-President, and changes to the WCC Consitiution.

And a question about 1.2.3. (Other (E)WCC Rules) iii): IS Qazox/Satviaville ONE NATION; and Prux ONE NATION; and (if they return) Green Wombat ONE NATION, as previously disscussed both via TG and previously on the WCDT2?

[Qazox]

Speaking of old time BoF's

Technically QAZOX is the only active remanant from the class of BoF14 (pre-WC 27) that is active, though it is very doubtful my brother (Green Wombat) will come back to the Cup any time soon (due to Work issues). Tynelia hasn't been heard from since WC 45 (i think) and the others all CTEd or declined to participate after WC28 and/or WC29.

It is so sad to be the only one left

[Jeruselem]

Speaking of old time BoF's

Technically QAZOX is the only active remanant from the class of BoF14 (pre-WC 27) that is active, though it is very doubtful my brother (Green Wombat) will come back to the Cup any time soon (due to Work issues). Tynelia hasn't been heard from since WC 45 (i think) and the others all CTEd or declined to participate after WC28 and/or WC29.

It is so sad to be the only one left

And then there's oldies like me ... I started in WC11 and most nations currently active here are fairly recent. And the only Ariddians left in the cup are Dallases.

[Qazox]

we all miss Arridia.

Maybe we can coax them back for WC 50!

[Liventia]

I would like to add an addendum to 1.1.1 Entry: iii): Nation MUST RP at least ONCE per World Cup participating. This way we can ensure that active nations have a say in voting for WC Hosts, WCC President/Vice-President, and changes to the WCC Consitiution.

A roster qualifies as an RP for CoH eligibility purposes, so I don't see the point of this. How does posting one RP two cups in a row mean that one is any more active than by posting one roster two cups in a row? This is unnecessary.

[Qazox]

A roster qualifies as an RP for CoH eligibility purposes, so I don't see the point of this. How does posting one RP two cups in a row mean that one is any more active than by posting one roster two cups in a row? This is unnecessary.

I withdraw the submission.

[Starblaydia]

I think people don't like reading legalese, seeing as the only recognizable element in there is the odd numbering system that MS Word stuck in for me. But considering as I don't like reading Legalese either (despite its profligate precision) and regardless of whether Star (or Arch, or both) decided to scrap whatever the hell I sent them, it's a good draft, and I personally have no problems with the vocabulary or its intentions in principle.

I ain't got nothing rules-collating-organisation-esque from you, matey, but Arch has been away working on... well, extremely pressing, fairly exciting (as far as Arch's work goes) and rather time-consuming work, so he's not been around to do very much at all, which includes sending on to me whatever you came up with.

I've been trying, also, not to put too much pseudo-legalese into this, but you can't help but use it when trying to be specific. The NSWC is so gargantuan that it requires the set of rules that we've ended up with in order to run it in the manner that has been proved to work. Much better that we've come up with the rules along five years of playing, rather than starting from scratch with all these rules and seeing if they can then generate five years of play.

And a question about 1.2.3. (Other (E)WCC Rules) iii): IS Qazox/Satviaville ONE NATION; and Prux ONE NATION; and (if they return) Green Wombat ONE NATION, as previously discussed both via TG and previously on the WCDT2?

Qazox/Satviaville are two nations with the same user. For Prux, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on this as a second user. Adding Green Wombat in is yet another can of worms that I don't want opened, as all three (Sativaville, Prux & GW) nations (iirc, correct me if I'm wrong) have been entered as puppets of Qazox at some point in the past.

[Peisandros]

I must say.. As quite a n00b to this all, it's all very impressive! And thanks to Star for sorting this all out.

As for BoF rivalries, I'd say Bears Armed and I have gotten off to a pretty good start! Albeit rather recently.

[Bears Armed]

As for BoF rivalries, I'd say Bears Armed and I have gotten off to a pretty good start! Albeit rather recently.

And there's still Akbarabad on the 'currently active' list from "our" BoF, too. Hr'rmm, maybe we should try to set up a three-nation mini-tournament, instead of just our "traditional" friendly match, in the pre-qualifiers stage for WC47?

[Newmanistan]

As for BoF rivalries, I'd say Bears Armed and I have gotten off to a pretty good start! Albeit rather recently.

And there's still Akbarabad on the 'currently active' list from "our" BoF, too. Hr'rmm, maybe we should try to set up a three-nation mini-tournament, instead of just our "traditional" friendly match, in the pre-qualifiers stage for WC47?

I was thinking of a friendly mini-tournament of only BoF champions. BOF34 winner, Somewhereistonia, (Edward City around anymore?), Bears Armed, (Myedvedeya gone), West Zirconia, Arroza, Newmanistan, and Dancougar.

That'd be seven teams. Perhaps BoF 30 runner-up Secristan could replace Myedvedya. That would be eight teams and knock off traditional friendlies in the process: us/Dancougar, us/Secristan, you/Dancougar, Arroza/Dancougar (?).

[Somewhereistonia]

I was thinking of a friendly mini-tournament of only BoF champions. BOF34 winner, Somewhereistonia, (Edward City around anymore?), Bears Armed, (Myedvedeya gone), West Zirconia, Arroza, Newmanistan, and Dancougar.

I'd be up for that, I need to set up a rivalry with someone.

[West Zirconia]

Sounds like a plan. I could do with a good (un)healthy rivalry as well.

[Bears Armed]

As for BoF rivalries, I'd say Bears Armed and I have gotten off to a pretty good start! Albeit rather recently.

And there's still Akbarabad on the 'currently active' list from "our" BoF, too. Hr'rmm, maybe we should try to set up a three-nation mini-tournament, instead of just our "traditional" friendly match, in the pre-qualifiers stage for WC47?

I was thinking of a friendly mini-tournament of only BoF champions. BOF34 winner, Somewhereistonia, (Edward City around anymore?), Bears Armed, (Myedvedeya gone), West Zirconia, Arroza, Newmanistan, and Dancougar.

Sounds good to me. Mydedvedeya is actually back in NS, he posted about his return in [these forums' version of] 'General' a few days back, but l don't know how active he's likely to be...

That'd be seven teams. Perhaps BoF 30 runner-up Secristan could replace Myedvedya. That would be eight teams and knock off traditional friendlies in the process: us/Dancougar, us/Secristan, you/Dancougar, Arroza/Dancougar (?).

Us/Arroza is becoming "traditional", too... although so far they've won both of our 'friendly' meetings...

[Taeshan]

The Opfficial almost ten cup aniversary for the Hathcling Cup, AKA BOF 24 teams. The teams left around are... At least sporttwise.
Prux
Vanek Drury Drieires/Kenavt
Us
The Indonesian States, on and off.

Small crowd isnt it.

[Dancougar]

That would be eight teams and knock off traditional friendlies in the process: us/Dancougar, us/Secristan, you/Dancougar, Arroza/Dancougar (?).

I say ship it.

I'm gonna get my friggin' bird back.

[Krytenia]

I'm the only one left from the class of BoF 2, but not WC15...can't think who the other survivor is though...