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Sarzonia and Saugeais bid for Cup of Harmony 47

Postby Sarzonia » Fri May 06, 2011 7:39 pm

Introduction: In an effort to bring big time international football to the shores of Saugeais and return some of the best footballing players and nations in the world to Sarzonian soil, the respective football associations of Saugeais and Sarzonia have presented their bid to serve as hosts for the 47th edition of the Cup of Harmony.

Sarzonia: Sarzonia has had a long tradition of footballing excellence dating back to the days when many current football powers had not even sent their first teams to compete on the world stage. Its first-ever national team finished a respectable third in the inaugural Atlantian Oceania Cup of Association Football before making its world debut in the third Baptism of Fire Cup.

In the years since, Sarzonia have won a Baptism of Fire Cup, the 10th Cup of Harmony and World Cup XXII. The team became just the third to qualify for four consecutive World Cup semifinals and spent four World Cup cycles as the top-ranked team in the world.

Sarzonian historians divide the nation's history into two "eras", "pre-isolation", before founding president Mike Sarzo was initially diagnosed with an aggressive form of testicular cancer and "post-isolation", which included the nearly yearlong period of mourning and introversion and deliberate avoidance of international affairs by the Incorporated States.

Saugeais: Saugeais has long since considered football to be the national sport, have most of 200 million either watch or participate throughout the season. The Saugeais Premiere League is one of the fastest growing leagues in the world, even having been around for over 60 years. Being a nation on the coast, especially with capital Montbenoit right on the water, the weather will be erratic at times. It could switch from bright and sunny to wet and windy in the matter of minutes. Tornadoes have been known to pop up every now and then across the country, drastically affecting gameplay for one of the local clubs who play through these storms.

Saugeais’ football stadiums come in all shapes and sizes, but are mostly modest buildings. The majority of the stadia capacities are below 50,000, with the national stadium, Stade de Montagne, the only one with over 60,000, with a capacity of 64,500. That doesn’t take away from the general atmosphere of football matches. The fans are the most loyal (and most rowdy) fans you’ll ever meet at a match.

Being a coastal nation also brings in the tourists, who like to frequent the beaches on the shores of Lake Branta. Many of the host cities have excellent shopping districts, and great transportation systems to easily move visitors from hotel, to match site, to shopping malls, and back again.

Experience: While Saugeais has not hosted any major football tournaments, sticking to the domestic leagues, they have had success hosting events in other sports, namely the Saugeais Open Baseball Tournament.

Meanwhile, Sarzonia has a wealth of hosting experience in several sports, both in the "pre-isolation" era and "post-isolation." In the pre-isolation era, Sarzonia hosted the inaugural AO Bowl, a gridball competition featuring national teams from Atlantian Oceania nations, co-hosting two editions of the Basketball World Cup and co-hosting the Futsal World Cup.

In post-isolation, however, Sarzonia has hosted the overwhelming majority of its events, including some of the larger, more important events in the multiverse. As of this writing, Sarzonia is preparing to host the largest World Bowl in terms of participants in the event's history. Sarzonia also co-hosted the 45th edition of the Cup of Harmony with Rejistania. In addition, Sarzonia has hosted the fifth Baptism of Iron for debutant gridball nations prior to World Bowl X; three editions of the NS Arena Bowl and its predecessor tournament, the Sarzonian Indoor Gridball Cup; the seventh Handball World Championships; four editions of the World Lacrosse Championships, including an unprecedented three consecutive WLCs, and the inaugural World Softball Classic. Finally, Sarzonia co-founded the Mike Sarzo Memorial Trophy with Starblaydia, and that tournament has taken its place as being one of the most prestigious and most highly revered tournaments, if not the most prestigious or highly revered, outside WCC purview.

Scorination: Should this bid win, the hosts will use NSFS 3.0.1 to scorinate results, using a combination of official KPB ranking points and RP bonus.

RP Bonus: RP bonus will be calculated with the most recent RP bonuses carrying the most weight, rewarding consistent RPers. Only the first RP created on a particular day will be counted toward that day's/night's matchday if someone posts multiple RPs on the same day.

Criteria will be based largely on knowledge of the sport, quality, creativity, etc. Nations earning the maximum RP bonus will have written a long, compelling, detailed post with no grammatical errors.

Style Modifiers: Permitted style modifiers will range from minus-3 (defensive) to plus-3 (offensive). These shall be initially indicated in the roster post, along with various permissions (more on that later). They can be changed a total of ONCE, and only if there is an RP'd explanation for the change and an OOC note at the top or the bottom of the same IC post expressing what the change is. For instance, if you've fired your head coach and promoted your defensive coordinator to interim head coach and you go from a plus-2 to a minus-3, you would write an RP outlining that change and include the OOC note outlining the change. No further changes will be permitted beyond the first one. (Removed after technical clarification.)

Format: Simple, straightforward, round robin group stage. Teams will be divided into multiples of four. The hosts will accept the first 32 nations who accept our invitation into the Cup. The 32 teams will be divided into eight groups of four, with four groups playing in Saugeais and four groups playing in Sarzonia.

Teams will be extended offers to compete in the Cup of Harmony based on the following criteria: Either one (1) RP post and a roster post by the third-to-last day before qualifying ends OR at least three (3) RP posts and a roster post by the end of qualifying. This set of criteria is in place to establish objective criteria by which the hosts will determine which teams to invite. In addition, the hosts hope to forestall the possibility of nations posting a RP to become "CoH eligible."

Following the group stage, the top two teams from each group will advance to a single elimination knockout round. The locations of the third place playoff and final will be determined. My prospective co-host and I will discuss tiebreakers and will announce those in this post.
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Postby Newmanistan » Fri May 06, 2011 9:09 pm

Sarzonia probably knows what I'm about to say as soon he saw my name in a reply....

But it can't be overlooked. Sarzonia is about to, on his own, host the 72-nation World Bowl. (Yes, there are 72 participants in the World Bowl if you hadn't noticed that!). I can't see how there would not be a conflict in the tournaments if this starts in line, or close to being in line, with the World Cup Proper. As a participant in the World Bowl and soon-to-be participant in the Cup of Harmony, I'd feel better knowing each tournament was the sole focus of the host. Perhaps, Sarzonia and Saugeais could work things out to greatly minimize Sarzonia's overlap; but this is simply something I don't need to worry about with the other bid.

For the record, I mention this when anyone bids to host two significant things that may overlap.
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Postby Sarzonia » Fri May 06, 2011 9:25 pm

Yes, I knew this would come up.

There are several matchdays remaining in the World Cup proper, and there will be some time for people to discuss and debate the respective bids for the Cup of Harmony. In addition, there will also be several days needed to collect and count votes.

Based on the starting day of Sunday for Matchday 1 of the World Bowl and the fact that the approximately two weeks of the group stage will likely comfortably fall into the period before we even select a Cup of Harmony host, I don't foresee a major conflict between my hosting the World Bowl and co-hosting the Cup of Harmony.

For one thing, the earliest I expect the Cup of Harmony might start if everything worked perfectly would coincide with the wild card round of the World Bowl. By then, the 72 competitors in a 13-day competition have dropped to 24 competitors in seven days, with one day being a designated day off.

Knowing the recent history of soliciting bids and voting on those bids, it's more likely that the final decision will come somewhere during the knockout rounds of the World Bowl. During that time, the demands on hosting the World Bowl will be far less strenuous than they will be during the group stage.

Saugeais and I have already had preliminary discussions about how we plan to work together. I'm sure if the World Bowl were still in the works that Saugeais and I would have a plan in place whereby he would handle the early load while I pick up the slack later on.
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Postby Andossa Se Mitrin Vega » Fri May 06, 2011 9:49 pm

I will go on record supporting this bid. Sarzonia is an experienced enough host to fully know his limitations in regards to hosting workload.

My question is another that he knows will be coming.

Considering your history with Qazox, will it become an issue if Qazox or Cabric find their way into the CoH? Let me also say that the two of you seem to be on civil terms in the World Bowl to this point. I commend both of you for that.
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Postby Saugeais » Fri May 06, 2011 9:57 pm

If Qazox and/or Cabric do in fact meet qualifications, then I see no reason not to let them in. I hope that Sarzonia can put aside past opposition and let them play.
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Postby Sarzonia » Fri May 06, 2011 9:58 pm

There's no sense in dancing around the subject. (yes, it's a Stevie Nicks line. So sue me. :P)

The reason I put in the specific objective requirements Saugeais and I are looking for when we send our invitations stems from the problems last time when Qazox did not originally get an invite. I wanted to return the Cup of Harmony to its roots of being for the *best* RPers who didn't make it to the proper. I still want to see it become that rather than the free for all it's become lately.

However, quality is entirely subjective. What one person thinks is fine RP may be what someone considers crap. Even though trying to use sheer numbers alone is flawed, establishing a three RP threshold with a bare minimum of one RP by the third to last day of qualifying at least makes it harder for someone to post one bleh RP just for the sake of "qualifying" for the Cup of Harmony. That's what I want to get away from.

Now, to answer the specifics about the history between me and Qazox, I believe I proved in that Cup of Harmony that I can objectively scorinate his matches. I'll note that he won his first Cup of Harmony match in a good, long while on my watch and came close to qualifying for the knockout rounds. He even complimented my hosting in the wake of that tournament. More important, I consistently gave him high marks for his RP creativity because he earned them.

If I were to scorinate his matches as Qazox or as Cabric, I would be able to do so objectively. Would I invite both Qazox AND Cabric? No. He would have to pick one. But would I invite the player to send either Qazox or Cabric if both nations missed out? Yes, based on the fact that he met the standards established in the OP.
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Postby Qazox » Fri May 06, 2011 10:04 pm

I have no problem with Sarzonia or Saugeais hosting this CoH. Despite how I got into CoH45, Sarzonia did do a good job of hosting, and any doubts I had about them being objective were non-existent by the end. (Or else I wouldn't be in WB 14 nor have voted for them to host it.)

If I were in a postition to choose (and hopefully I wouldn't be), Qazox would take the bid.
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Postby Valanora » Fri May 06, 2011 10:43 pm

As far as I can tell, the bid is in proper order after the removal of the technical error. While I do prefer a -+5 modifer scale (when the scorinator uses the modifiers correctly), I understand Sarzonia's preference for the -+3 scale.

My only question is, if elected as hosts, will the the tournament be up and running before the end of the group stage of the Proper? (if the voting period allows such)
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Postby Mytannion » Sat May 07, 2011 1:51 am

This is a sound bid and I'd have full support for you two to host the CoH..

Just pointing something out here though, if it is the first thirty-two teams/nations that accept your invite - some people who live in different timezones may not be able to accept their invite. I'm just pointing this out, it probably won't be a huge problem but it could present problems for people like me - who live in different places to the hosts (Well, I assume this anyway).
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Postby Civil Citizenry » Sat May 07, 2011 9:08 pm

As a fellow CoH bidder, I only have one question about this bid, and it is directed to Saugeais. You have stated on other threads that you are currently busy and will not have the ability to be active very much; you said earlier today and in days previous that you aren't sure if you'll be able to be an active member of the WBC Council. You are also beginning the second edition of your baseball tournament. Between all this, where will you have time to co-host a tournament like the Cup of Harmony?
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Postby Saugeais » Sat May 07, 2011 9:49 pm

Civil Citizenry wrote:As a fellow CoH bidder, I only have one question about this bid, and it is directed to Saugeais. You have stated on other threads that you are currently busy and will not have the ability to be active very much; you said earlier today and in days previous that you aren't sure if you'll be able to be an active member of the WBC Council. You are also beginning the second edition of your baseball tournament. Between all this, where will you have time to co-host a tournament like the Cup of Harmony?


This upcoming week is finals week for me, so I'll be busy between Monday and Thursday. After that, I'm free to do whatever, be it the Cup of Harmony or my baseball tournament, I'll be able to take part in all of them without hindrance.
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