Nationstates Olympic Games Discussion Thread

[Commerce Heights]

@Commerce Heights

Do you know that pankration is MMA and at least a few people are really looking forward to RPing it? I can understand the women's baseball and men's softball stuff. But let's not rush to cut out MMA, just because you don't like it.

Of course I know what it is, but it (a) is not a sport widely practiced in Paripana, (b) comprises 22 events, nearly three times as many as the entire surviving demonstration program, and (c) involves a signup format incompatible with every single other event. I’m sure some people would enjoy it—the same could be said for any possible demonstration event—but I’m under no obligation to organize any, so I’ve chosen to retain only those for which I will feel the effort required is justified.

(Apparently you’ve deleted your post. Oh well, I’ll answer it anyway.)

[Vangaziland]

Well since you chose to answer it anyway, I think the Olympics is not about what is popular in your nation, but rather hosting for the benefit of the community. Sometimes people want to host stuff out of some hope for prestige. I'm just saying, it's not just about what you do or don't like. Think about the true spirit of the games. Now if you want to be honest and say you just don't feel like grading pankration, then say so.

[Commerce Heights]

Well since you chose to answer it anyway, I think the Olympics is not about what is popular in your nation, but rather hosting for the benefit of the community. Sometimes people want to host stuff out of some hope for prestige. I'm just saying, it's not just about what you do or don't like. Think about the true spirit of the games. Now if you want to be honest and say you just don't feel like grading pankration, then say so.

I’ve already been “honest” and explained the exact confluence of reasons why I’ve chosen to omit the sport.

Historically, the main purpose of demonstration events at the RL Olympic Games was to showcase sports relevant to the host nation. The IOC has recently revived this concept by allowing additional medal events with local interest from Tokyo 2020 onwards. From an IC perspective, the PSC has no reason to hold pankration as a demonstration event. This by itself would be reason enough to exclude it, but the OOC factors I mentioned further contributed to the decision.

[Vangaziland]

Saintland, don't quit just because you had to argue. You'll still be a good host, it's not too late. People are always going to argue. And many nationstaters will sit back and not stand up at times when they should. Trust me. But don't let that force you out the community. Put those people on your 'crap list' and then ignore them. If you don't have haters, you're not doing it right.

[Free Swiss States]

Yikes! For what it's worth, I was looking forward to the Ilysean Olympics - brought my nation out of CTE for them. I don't know what all this IRC business is, but hopefully this all gets worked out!

[Liventia]

Saintland, don't quit just because you had to argue. You'll still be a good host, it's not too late. People are always going to argue. And many nationstaters will sit back and not stand up at times when they should. Trust me. But don't let that force you out the community. Put those people on your 'crap list' and then ignore them. If you don't have haters, you're not doing it right.

Without knowing the full details of the "argument", I'd say this post of support is pretty petty and comes across to me that you're saying this purely because a sport you like is going to be excluded from the demonstration list.

[Ceni]

Vangazi, if you feel compelled to RP MMA then you can feel free to create your own tournament for it. But CH is under no obligation to host it because you would like to see it; besides, demonstration events are under host discretion, and CH is exercising that discretion.

[Krytenia]

Saintland, don't quit just because you had to argue. You'll still be a good host, it's not too late. People are always going to argue. And many nationstaters will sit back and not stand up at times when they should. Trust me. But don't let that force you out the community. Put those people on your 'crap list' and then ignore them. If you don't have haters, you're not doing it right.

Without knowing the full details of the "argument", I'd say this post of support is pretty petty and comes across to me that you're saying this purely because a sport you like is going to be excluded from the demonstration list.

Really. Not. Helping.

Also - Vangazi, CH and Ceni have a point. I delegated demo event hosting to others; CH is taking on a massive task at short notice, and felt something had to give. Why not use it as IC impetus for an MMA tournament alongside - or just after - the XI Olympics?

[Ilyseum]

Saintland, don't quit just because you had to argue. You'll still be a good host, it's not too late. People are always going to argue. And many nationstaters will sit back and not stand up at times when they should. Trust me. But don't let that force you out the community. Put those people on your 'crap list' and then ignore them. If you don't have haters, you're not doing it right.

Yikes! For what it's worth, I was looking forward to the Ilysean Olympics - brought my nation out of CTE for them. I don't know what all this IRC business is, but hopefully this all gets worked out!

I thank both of you for your support and apologize for having to pull out of hosting the Olympics. There's a long story here, going back to my World Cup 67 bid and continuing through my hosting of World Cup 68 and the individual in question isn't exactly easy to avoid either (as they are a regular WCC tournament bidder, whose partiality in scorination I have long had serious doubts about). I regret that I did not stand up a few weeks ago and object when the source of this problem abused their power with regard to somebody else.

Nor would it be easy to just avoid going on IRC ever again, as that means being smeared behind my back and being totally unaware of it unless I somehow hear about it secondhand.

[Vangaziland]

Sometimes you have to ignore idiots on NS. My support for you was genuine, by the way Saintland. I know how easy it easy for NSers to gang up on one person and ignore rhyme and reason. For example, when people tried to judge me above, I just ignored them. They aren't worth my time. I have had to take breaks too. But like I said, you are welcome on NS. People can't force you out just because they don't like you.

For the record, I only had 3 people signed up for pankration. MMA is not such a big interest of mine. I was just thinking of everyone having to change their apps. But if it makes things easier on the host so be it.

Also, screw IRC. It's made for people who waste time chatting, when they could be RPing or creating something else useful.

There is also one person whose hosting I do not think highly of, based on questionable results in the past and generally poor decisions that seemed to benefit their teams... But hey, if they want to metagame and cheat, think of how big of a loser they are to need to win so bad on NS Sports. And they would know that when they are honest with themselves.

[Commerce Heights]

There's a long story here, going back to my World Cup 67 bid and continuing through my hosting of World Cup 68 and the individual in question isn't exactly easy to avoid either (as they are a regular WCC tournament bidder, whose partiality in scorination I have long had serious doubts about).

The Olympic Games Discussion Thread is absolutely not the correct place to be making such a serious accusation against a respected member of the World Cup community.

For the record, I only had 3 people signed up for pankration. MMA is not such a big interest of mine. I was just thinking of everyone having to change their apps. But if it makes things easier on the host so be it.

To be clear, as I stated previously, no one who entered before I announced that I would cancel those events will be required to change their entries, even if it means their skill average for the remaining demonstration events is now over 50.

[Eonstar]

If there is high cheating in scorination, shouldn't it be quite easy to demonstrate using a test statistic and calculating the p-value?

[Drawkland]

It may not be the right time to ask, but is there some sort of Google Drive file or Forum Post containing the current Olympic event records? Just out of my own curiosity.

[Free Swiss States]

If there is high cheating in scorination, shouldn't it be quite easy to demonstrate using a test statistic and calculating the p-value?

Yes, but this would require host nations to reveal the RP bonuses which they assign, I think.

[Vers-Gelderland]

If there is high cheating in scorination, shouldn't it be quite easy to demonstrate using a test statistic and calculating the p-value?

I would just like to point out that just because something is low probability doesn't mean the host is rigging the results - Maggie (our goddess of randomness) rears her head quite a few times. So an improbable result doesn't equal a rigged one.

[Commerce Heights]

I would just like to point out that just because something is low probability doesn't mean the host is rigging the results - Maggie (our goddess of randomness) rears her head quite a few times. So an improbable result doesn't equal a rigged one.

Indeed. The probability of a particular team doing a particularly exceptional thing may be very low, but there are so many different exceptional events that could happen in NS Sports that inevitably, some of them do happen. For example, in Globe Cup 57, Crossceaster United FC, from unranked Lutine, reached the semi-finals. The probability of that specific event would have been extraordinarily low, but I doubt anyone thinks it’s evidence that I was secretly fixing UICA matches to favor Lutine for some reason.

This discussion has absolutely nothing to do with the Olympic Games, though.

[Ilyseum]

Sometimes you have to ignore idiots on NS. My support for you was genuine, by the way Saintland. I know how easy it easy for NSers to gang up on one person and ignore rhyme and reason. For example, when people tried to judge me above, I just ignored them. They aren't worth my time. I have had to take breaks too. But like I said, you are welcome on NS. People can't force you out just because they don't like you.

For the record, I only had 3 people signed up for pankration. MMA is not such a big interest of mine. I was just thinking of everyone having to change their apps. But if it makes things easier on the host so be it.

Also, screw IRC. It's made for people who waste time chatting, when they could be RPing or creating something else useful.

There is also one person whose hosting I do not think highly of, based on questionable results in the past and generally poor decisions that seemed to benefit their teams... But hey, if they want to metagame and cheat, think of how big of a loser they are to need to win so bad on NS Sports. And they would know that when they are honest with themselves.

Reading this, I have to admit you're 100% right here on all points. If I do decide to stick around NS, I'm done worrying about what the self-proclaimed "elites and gatekeepers" around here think. Maybe things would be better off around here if certain so-called "respected members of the World Cup Community" had less influence to drive people away, artificially shorten signup periods to reduce signup numbers and push for scorination formulas and RP bonus scales that are designed to protect the precious ranks of rank coasters.

[Liventia]

Reading this, I have to admit you're 100% right here on all points. If I do decide to stick around NS, I'm done worrying about what the self-proclaimed "elites and gatekeepers" around here think. Maybe things would be better off around here if certain so-called "respected members of the World Cup Community" had less influence to drive people away, artificially shorten signup periods to reduce signup numbers and push for scorination formulas and RP bonus scales that are designed to protect the precious ranks of rank coasters.

Once again, Saintland, this thread really isn't the place for this. If you're insistent on bringing up an issue related to the World Cup then there's the World Cup Discussion Thread. Can we please keep this thread for Olympic Games discussion, thanks.

[Northern Sunrise Islands]

By the way, not my kind of thing to take part of, but if there's some legit interest towards MMA, Adun held a thing way back named the ANSF that was the best. Used this little tool called Ultimate MMA Simulator 2. It's not really hard to use, but I do wonder how people would add RP Bonuses to that.

I kinda have no clue if Pankration is just MMA with fancy suits but if it is, this could be a bit handy for a prospective host.

[Astyrian Olympics Delegation]

The Paripana Sporting Council invites the Executive Committee of the Olympic Council to move the Games of the XI Olympiad to Aeropag, Paripana.

The Olympic capital of Aeropag is the most convenient possible site to host the Games in such a contingency. The Olympic Tower, in addition to being the site of the Olympic Council’s headquarters, is purpose-built for an event of this magnitude, containing convertible venues suited to all sports playable indoors, as well as sufficient lodging for all athletes and officials. The PSC is additionally prepared to host equestrian, open-water swimming, the marathon and race walks, sailing, triathlon, and the requisite elements of modern pentathlon outdoors in Aeropag. Football would be played at venues across Paripana, with the final matches at Olympic Tower Stadium. However, it is recommended that canoeing, cycling, golf, and rowing be moved to another city, as it would be logistically difficult to provide temporary venues in Aeropag at this juncture. The PSC also recommends the cancellation of the demonstration events of blitzball, pankration, women’s baseball, and men’s softball, but is prepared to host the remainder of the proposed events.

It is believed that there is still sufficient time to make the necessary preparations without any delay to the existing schedule. Additional details will be provided at a later date.

(OOC: My intent is to delegate the canoeing, cycling, golf, and rowing events to a co-host—preferably in Atlantian Oceania for IC reasons, though I won’t make it a requirement. I may also choose to delegate the demonstration events to an OOC co-host, even though these events will be held in Aeropag. I’m not going to make a decision on these unless and until the Executive Committee approves Aeropag as the new host city, so don’t contact me about this until then.

Regarding the demonstration events that would be cancelled, I propose that any existing entries to the non-cancelled demonstration events will remain valid, regardless of whether the cancellations would result in a delegation having a skill average greater than 50 for the remaining demonstration events. Any entry, including modified entries, made after this post would have to adhere to the 50 average for the reduced slate of demonstration events.)

So, just to double check, the 4 demo events I have put in bold are the only ones cancelled, correct?

[Commerce Heights]

…blitzball, pankration, women’s baseball, and men’s softball…

So, just to double check, the 4 demo events I have put in bold are the only ones cancelled, correct?

Correct. 7ball, gridiron, traditional pentathlon, men’s baseball, and women’s softball are still on.

[Astyrian Olympics Delegation]

So, just to double check, the 4 demo events I have put in bold are the only ones cancelled, correct?

Correct. 7ball, gridiron, traditional pentathlon, men’s baseball, and women’s softball are still on.

and rugby 7's?

[Commerce Heights]

and rugby 7's?

Rugby sevens is a medal event. All medal events will go on as planned.

[Astyrian Olympics Delegation]

My bad. But...whew!

I will say that some of our folks will be disappointed that pankration is gone, but I understand the complicated nature of hosting such a demo event.

[Eonstar]

Is men's rythmic gymnastics still on?