Nationstates Olympic Games Discussion Thread

[Electrum]

Will equestrian events be included in the olympics?

Yes. It is a requirement that all Summer NS Olympics will have the same events as their real life counterparts (individual and team equestrian jumping, dressage and eventing)

[Ilyseum]

Must10inator (my new boxing/MMA scorinator) is designed to produce professional style scores. I'll set it to 3 round fights to mirror RL.

For Pankration (MMA), I'm going to use 3 rounds for preliminary fights and 5 rounds for medal fights.

For tiebreaks (since somebody has to advance in the event of a draw and since Must10inator currently does not have any sort of overtime option in the event of a tie), here's what I'll do:

If a fight should end in a majority draw (2 fighters score the fight a draw, other scores it for one fighter), the fighter that won on one judge's scorecard would advance. Should it end in a split draw (1 judge for 1 fighter, the other for a different fighter, third scores it a draw), if one fighter won on one judge's scorecard by more points than he lost on the other judge's scorecard, that fighter advances (for example if the score is 29-28, 28-28, 27-29 the second fighter advances). If there's no other way to determine a winner objectively, I'll scorinate a one-round sudden death overtime fight between the two fighters. The result of this round will determine the winner.

ICly, I'll attempt to handle that situation the same way its handled in RL once we know what that is. That means that the result of the sudden death round may or may not be posted.

According to Google, women's boxing has four rounds and men's has three. Also, do all weight classes and sexes have the same chance of KO and TKO? This doesn't seem particularly realistic.

As for the first question, I'll use four rounds for women's boxing rather than three.

As for the second, Must10inator, like xkoranate's scorinator for amateur boxing under the old rules, does not distinguish between men's boxing/women's boxing or between weight classes. Its possible to alter those probabilities by adjusting the constants, but doing so would also alter the balance of the 3 Rs (which was my reason for dropping the other planned style modifier which would have affected the likelihood of a KO/stoppage as opposed to a decision). In fact, none of the combat sports scorinators in xkoranate make that particular distinction either.

[Ilyseum]

I have now updated my bid with the inclusion of a logo, courtesy of Northern Sunrise Islands.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Will equestrian events be included in the olympics?

Yes. It is a requirement that all Summer NS Olympics will have the same events as their real life counterparts (individual and team equestrian jumping, dressage and eventing)

On this note, how will sapient horses participating in the equestrian events be handled IC-ly? Will they have to have a rider? A sapient rider? An object the weight and shape of a rider? Or will they have to ride a non-sapient horse themselves? And what about the riding portion of modern pentathlon, where one of the challenges is the athletes are assigned to a horse they've never ridden before five minutes before the start and only have that much time to train on it, which obviously would give sapient horse athletes in that event a huge advantage?

[Ilyseum]

Yes. It is a requirement that all Summer NS Olympics will have the same events as their real life counterparts (individual and team equestrian jumping, dressage and eventing)

On this note, how will sapient horses participating in the equestrian events be handled IC-ly? Will they have to have a rider? A sapient rider? An object the weight and shape of a rider? Or will they have to ride a non-sapient horse themselves? And what about the riding portion of modern pentathlon, where one of the challenges is the athletes are assigned to a horse they've never ridden before five minutes before the start and only have that much time to train on it, which obviously would give sapient horse athletes in that event a huge advantage?

I'm pretty sure that question's come up in the past. I'll have to look up how past hosts handled it, though it could be a moot point if nobody enters a sapient equine this year.

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On another note, I have made a change to my bid regarding the Signup Creator. Previously, I had hoped to put together a web-based version, but I am not confident in my ability to have it done before the end of the host vote (when I intend to open signups should my bid win), so I will update the existing Signup Creator instead.

[Vers-Gelderland]

Voting is now open.

[Aekra]

I know it's a bit late to join the current games, but I would like to participate... Could someone point me to signups?

[Gregoryisgodistan]

I know it's a bit late to join the current games, but I would like to participate... Could someone point me to signups?

Signups will be open once we elect a host.

[Aekra]

I know it's a bit late to join the current games, but I would like to participate... Could someone point me to signups?

Signups will be open once we elect a host.

OH. That's how it's organized. Alright, someone alert me via message when signups are open.

[Vangaziland]

Wow! I just noticed Ilyseum is Saintland! The Olympics should be like the King Paulus (IX?)Games then, eh? That's a fun NS sports memory.

[Krytenia]

Signups will be open once we elect a host.

OH. That's how it's organized. Alright, someone alert me via message when signups are open.

The NS Olympics are a biiig thing, so a TG probably isn't going to be logistically viable (so sayeth the former host). Best bet is to check back here in a couple of weeks and see how things are moving along.

[Ilyseum]

OH. That's how it's organized. Alright, someone alert me via message when signups are open.

The NS Olympics are a biiig thing, so a TG probably isn't going to be logistically viable (so sayeth the former host). Best bet is to check back here in a couple of weeks and see how things are moving along.

Should my bid defeat reopen host bids, I'll attempt to have the signup thread open as soon as I see the results.

The issue with TGs, for me, is remembering to send them, but I will send that TG if I remember.

Wow! I just noticed Ilyseum is Saintland! The Olympics should be like the King Paulus (IX?)Games then, eh? That's a fun NS sports memory.

XV.

I also hosted the X Winter Olympics as Free Republics about a year and a half ago.

[Ilyseum]

I want to thank all 11 people who voted for my bid and announce the opening of the signup thread for the Games of the XI Olympiad.

[Benjamin Mark]

Can I save my delegation via signup-creator?

[Drawkland]

I would like to playfully request that everybody planning to submit teams to 7ball to make their skill number 77.

[Commerce Heights]

I don’t think it’s proper to close a vote prior to the stated deadline when 11 votes out of a possible 79 have been collected.

[Ilyseum]

Can I save my delegation via signup-creator?

Signup Creator can't actually save a partially finished delegation and load it back into the program later. I recommend waiting until you are ready to enter your entire delegation to begin entering it into Signup Creator.

If your average skill modifier is 50 or less, you can save a partially finished delegation using Finish Delegation, but you'll have to type every single entry in again whenever you decide to add to your delegation.

You could also rename the file, save another partially finished version of your delegation and manually merge both of them (as long as the average style mod of both halves is 50 or less).

[Liventia]

I don’t think it’s proper to close a vote prior to the stated deadline when 11 votes out of a possible 79 have been collected.

I voted for the bid, but I'll second this completely. The results were posted with more than 10 hours left to the deadline. That's not good form.

Edit to note that NG has apologised on IRC for his error, which I welcome very much.

[Vers-Gelderland]

I don’t think it’s proper to close a vote prior to the stated deadline when 11 votes out of a possible 79 have been collected.

I don’t think it’s proper to close a vote prior to the stated deadline when 11 votes out of a possible 79 have been collected.

I voted for the bid, but I'll second this completely. The results were posted with more than 10 hours left to the deadline. That's not good form.

Edit to note that NG has apologised on IRC for his error, which I welcome very much.

I do acknowledge this mistake and apologize sincerely for it.

[Frenline Delpha]

I would like to playfully request that everybody planning to submit teams to 7ball to make their skill number 77.

Just for that, I'll make it 78.

[Ilyseum]

This post is for the benefit of future Olympic hosts and is not relevant to those participating or planning to participate in the upcoming Games of the XI Olympiad:

I have decided to publicly release Input Maker (this link is to a Windows version of the program, but it can also be compiled for any operating system with a functioning C++ compiler), which is a new program I just wrote today that reads a file containing an Olympic signup and automatically creates xkoranate input files based upon that signup.

You can use it in one of two ways. Either you can put entries in a file called entries.txt or you can send a custom file name as a command line argument.

To use a custom file name, load the command prompt, navigate to the directory/folder where you have Input Maker saved and enter "inputmaker [filename]". Do not include the .txt part of the file name as the program adds that automatically. For example, if I saved entries in a file called snt.txt, I would send that file to Input Maker by typing "inputmaker snt" from the command line. This allows for quick adding of multiple entries.

Another benefit of using the command line is that you will be able to see the output, in the event that the program detects an error with the signup (ie. a missing event header). If this happens, you will have to manually remove all of the entries up to that point in the signup.

Signups need to be entered in a very specific format. Copy only the signup list out of a signup and make sure that the signup list resembles the Signup Creator format (ie. blank lines after each sport, but no blank lines between different events that fall under the same general heading). So, there should not be a blank line between swimming entries and synchronized swimming entries but there should be a blank line between entries for Aquatics and entries for Archery. Also note that there are potential complications if this is used for any multi-sport event other than the Winter or Summer Olympics, due to the second level sport headings being hard-coded into the program. Depending on the event list for a non-Olympic multi-sport tournament (or future changes to the Olympic event list), the program may require some minor modifications to work.

I have also publicly released the source for this program.

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What all of the above means is that this program will be reading your signups and automatically entering them into xkoranate input files, saving me dozens of hours over the next month and a half that would have otherwise been spent doing that. I will still be looking over your signup manually for errors and using a spreadsheet to check your numbers but the task of actually entering signups into the scorinator will be wholly automated.

Should your format be in a format that is valid according to the instructions in the signup thread, it will be accepted and I will make any necessary formatting adjustments so that Input Maker can read it.

[Electrum]

Ilyseum, it is regrettable that you have resorted to this step in cancelling the Olympics.

I urge you to reconsider your decision. It's not work cancelling over a single argument over IRC.

As for everyone else, in the interim I will create a new Olympiad sign-up thread. Should Ilyseum come back, I will relinquish control of it. Otherwise, we, the Executive Committee, will decide what our next steps will be. NOTE: A new host has not been chosen yet. Check back for details.

[Frenline Delpha]

Ilyseum, it is regrettable that you have resorted to this step in cancelling the Olympics.

I urge you to reconsider your decision. It's not work cancelling over a single argument over IRC.

As for everyone else, in the interim I will create a new Olympiad sign-up thread. Should Ilyseum come back, I will relinquish control of it. Otherwise, we, the Executive Committee, will decide what our next steps will be. NOTE: A new host has not been chosen yet. Check back for details.

What argument, if I may ask?

[Ilyseum]

Ilyseum, it is regrettable that you have resorted to this step in cancelling the Olympics.

I urge you to reconsider your decision. It's not work cancelling over a single argument over IRC.

As for everyone else, in the interim I will create a new Olympiad sign-up thread. Should Ilyseum come back, I will relinquish control of it. Otherwise, we, the Executive Committee, will decide what our next steps will be. NOTE: A new host has not been chosen yet. Check back for details.

What argument, if I may ask?

It was a discussion related to certain current events that took place tonight and a certain IRC OP's desire to shut down a point of view because she didn't like it. As this is not an isolated incident of misconduct, but rather part of a continuing pattern, I requested that this OP be stood down and came to the realization once the overwhelming majority of IRC decided to side with this individual that I do not have the desire to spend 3+ hours of my time every day for around a month for the benefit of a community that condones such conduct from individuals in a position of authority.

[Commerce Heights]

The Paripana Sporting Council invites the Executive Committee of the Olympic Council to move the Games of the XI Olympiad to Aeropag, Paripana.

The Olympic capital of Aeropag is the most convenient possible site to host the Games in such a contingency. The Olympic Tower, in addition to being the site of the Olympic Council’s headquarters, is purpose-built for an event of this magnitude, containing convertible venues suited to all sports playable indoors, as well as sufficient lodging for all athletes and officials. The PSC is additionally prepared to host equestrian, open-water swimming, the marathon and race walks, sailing, triathlon, and the requisite elements of modern pentathlon outdoors in Aeropag. Football would be played at venues across Paripana, with the final matches at Olympic Tower Stadium. However, it is recommended that canoeing, cycling, golf, and rowing be moved to another city, as it would be logistically difficult to provide temporary venues in Aeropag at this juncture. The PSC also recommends the cancellation of the demonstration events of blitzball, pankration, women’s baseball, and men’s softball, but is prepared to host the remainder of the proposed events.

It is believed that there is still sufficient time to make the necessary preparations without any delay to the existing schedule. Additional details will be provided at a later date.

(OOC: My intent is to delegate the canoeing, cycling, golf, and rowing events to a co-host—preferably in Atlantian Oceania for IC reasons, though I won’t make it a requirement. I may also choose to delegate the demonstration events to an OOC co-host, even though these events will be held in Aeropag. I’m not going to make a decision on these unless and until the Executive Committee approves Aeropag as the new host city, so don’t contact me about this until then.

Regarding the demonstration events that would be cancelled, I propose that any existing entries to the non-cancelled demonstration events will remain valid, regardless of whether the cancellations would result in a delegation having a skill average greater than 50 for the remaining demonstration events. Any entry, including modified entries, made after this post would have to adhere to the 50 average for the reduced slate of demonstration events.)