Nationstates Olympic Games Discussion Thread

[Shofercia]

That may sound as if I wanted to get the better of someone to help my own ambitions, but..... no wait, that is exactly the goal. And without calling names *cough* Shofercia *cough*...

Because I wonder how a table tennis team with one World Class Player (100) and two seemingly half blind Shakehand players (0 - and I am not talking about Shakehand- in difference to Penholderstyle) can reach a skill of 100. How does the one player make up for his two teammates, if he is only allowed to play two games? Do we have different rules compared to RL-Olympics here, or are the two players playing the singles with the wrong hand and without glasses for a reason? Are the two players playing in the team are different players as the ones playing in the singles and only accidently have the exact same name? Questions upon questions.
Sorry, but somehow that really concerned me when I saw that and I felt like nitpicking after all the discussions about justified Minmaxing.

First, "0" doesn't mean "total newb". One of my wrestlers, Darius Rockstad, won a Bronze Medal with a 0. Zero means competence in the sport, which is equal to varsity level athletics. These are the Olympic Games, and in the Olympic Games Delegations from large countries, no athletes are newbies. Second, if you have an all star anchoring the team, the other two just need to hold the line, which is doable. Third, I am just going to quote exactly what Liv said, since he said it much better than I did: What's to say he can't RP that the two who can't do well individually play better under the pressure of a team situation? Furthermore, I've RPed Virgen Hippensteel as a strategic leader in the previous Olympics.

Sources:
1. viewtopic.php?f=7&t=179876&p=9690275&hilit=Sharron+Joye#p9690275
2. http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=W ... r_Olympics
3. viewtopic.php?f=7&t=183642&p=9906310&hilit=Virgen#p9906310

[The Licentian Isles]

I was reading through the NSWiki articles on each sport at the Emberton Games today (I had a little time on my hands), and I noticed that a few events seem to be missing from the medal summaries. Would anyone have any issue with me digging the results out and adding them in ?? I know that it's most likely alright, but I didn't want to step on anybody's toes by doing it.

[Qazox]

I was reading through the NSWiki articles on each sport at the Emberton Game today (I had a little time on my hands), and I noticed that a few events seem to be missing from the medal summaries. Would anyone have any issue with me digging the results out and adding them in ?? I know that it's most likely alright, but I didn't want to step on anybody's toes by doing it.

Go for it.

[Krytenia]

I was reading through the NSWiki articles on each sport at the Emberton Games today (I had a little time on my hands), and I noticed that a few events seem to be missing from the medal summaries. Would anyone have any issue with me digging the results out and adding them in ?? I know that it's most likely alright, but I didn't want to step on anybody's toes by doing it.

Feel free to.

[United Gordonopia]

So I brought up a question in 8th Olympiad discussion thread about this, but figured I could broach this here. Since I'm having a decent run in distance running right now, I figured I would look up the Olympic records to see if they were at all close. Interestingly, though, as Liventia pointed out and I concur with, the host at the time seemed to be using a wildly different formula. Looking back at the Olympic archives, it seems that all of the times from that Olympics were bunched up around the world records at the time. Of course, for anyone who knows running, those sorts of world records are very, very rarely set at Olympics, and especially in longer distances usually involve pacers (not used at the Olympics) and preparation specifically for the record itself, rather than a championship race. The quirkiness of the scorinator/formula used is especially evident when you look at the depth of times. My 10000 m men's gold medalist's time of 27:01.22 is the third fastest since that first Olympiad, and would be quite competitive in the real life olympics, but in the first NS Olympiad would be good for... 41st.

It seems that track and field is really the only event effected by a formula quirk like this. Every other event on the records page has a diverse mix of Olympiads for their records, but for athletics, all but nine of the 60 events' Olympic Records hail from that first Olympiad, and those exceptions are heavily concentrated in sprinting and field events.

In my own RPs, I've explained the drop in performance by talking about how that first Olympiad was in the midst of a 'dope fueled' era, though it would be kind of nice to actually have some new Olympic records in athletics now and again. Every other sport where records can actually be set has viable marks for breaking, why not athletics as well? Perhaps we could asterisk the Olympic Records page for Athletics and say that the first olympiad marks were discarded due to drug tests? I would not object to trawling through the old olympics results myself to find the new OR marks.

[Liventia]

Perhaps we could asterisk the Olympic Records page for Athletics and say that the first olympiad marks were discarded due to drug tests? I would not object to trawling through the old olympics results myself to find the new OR marks.

I would be in favour of such a move. The incomplete Third Winter Olympics threw up some curious Olympic records which makes me question the host of those Olympics, but as those games weren't finished it's easier to ignore those records as unofficial. But with a complete Olympics run at a time when xkoranate wasn't available, it's definitely down to a quirk of the scorinator at the time and given those results will never be reproduced in the forseeable future, I think it's a good idea to treat those records differently.

[United Gordonopia]

I've taken the liberty of compiling a 'New Olympic Records' list for Athletics, taking out the marks and times set in the First Olympiad. Just reposting it here so the only copy isn't in the RP thread. Feel free to debate whether or not to use it for official purposes, as I've already made my own stance clear.

EDIT: In case you didn't realize, I should thank Zwangzug for her awesome archive. Also, a couple records are incomplete thanks, I assume, to whatever Zwangzug used to download the old forums being unable to read some old characters. It seems the most affected is Commerce Heights' records from the second Olympiad.

Men’s 100 m - 9.67 - Matías Almeida (SRG) - VIII (Orean)
Men’s 200 m - 19.29 - Tristiano Droga (PRB) - IV (Aeropag)
Men’s 400 m - 43.29 - Kieran de Silva (KSK) - II (Querzakhi)
Men’s 800 m - 1:42.43 - Tim Robinson (COM) - III (Columbia)
Men’s 1 500 m - 3:29.88 - Adam Oakley (KSK) - II (Querzakhi)
Men’s 5 000 m - 12:56.53 - Tyler England (DEL) - V (Outineau)
Men’s 10 000 m - 27:00.77 - Professor Abreu Vilela de Souza (LID) - V (Outineau)
Men’s 110 m Hurdles - 12.90 - Sunset Sky (EQS) - VIII (Orean)
Men’s 400 m Hurdles - 47.48 - Jay Clemons (DEL) - IV (Aeropag)
Men’s 3 000 m Steeplechase - 8:07.10 - 17378 (BAZ) - II (Querzakhi)
Men’s 4×100 m Relay (Team of 4) - 37.16 - Riley/Lightning/Bolt/Morganson (DAR) - VII (Emberton)
Men’s 4×400 m Relay (Team of 4) - 2:55.52 - Isinbayeva/Plutzakhov/Hratslav/Djoflivic (CHK) - VI (Lasft)
Men’s Marathon - 2:07:08 - 함손립 (COM), Abreu Vilela de Souza (LID) - II (Querzakhi), IV (Aeropag)
Men’s 20 km Walk - 1:19:08 - Millard Lissome (BRN) - VII (Emberton)
Men’s 50 km Walk - 3:37:04 - Kalevi Gardemeister (QOD) - IV (Aeropag)
Men’s High Jump - 2.38 - Kellen Freil (TAE), Roland Labrecque (SPT), Witołd Zielinski (SIB), Macgruber Macgyver (VRB), Boldizsár Agresta (CAR), Adam Wetzel (TAE), Kevin Nlota (CKA), Georg Schlimmes (WSZ) - IV (Aeropag), IV (Aeropag), IV (Aeropag), V (Outineau), V ( Outineau), VI (Lasft), VII (Emberton), VIII (Orean)
Men’s Pole Vault - 6.10 - Doxa Bitexmada (EUS) - VI (Lasft)
Men’s Long Jump - 8.49 - Mark Nicholas (KSK) - II (Querzakhi)
Men’s Triple Jump - 18.13 - 황휘산 (COM) - II (Querzakhi)
Men’s Shot Put - 21.55 - Kris Cholly (COS) - VI (Lasft)
Men’s Discus Throw - 69.03 - Harry R. Hummell (SIB) - IV (Aeropag)
Men’s Hammer Throw - 83.87 - Shawn Marsh (UIE) - II (Querzakhi)
Men’s Javelin Throw - 90.24 - Olima Tokolo (AIS) - VII (Emberton)
Men’s Decathlon - 9011 - Prof. Gino (LID) - VI (Lasft)
Women’s 100 m - 10.46 - Tanya Palistina (STS) - II (Querzakhi)
Women’s 200 m - 21.70 - Samantha Reddy (KRY) - V (Outineau)
Women’s 400 m - 48.39 - Danielle Giles (NEW) - III (Columbia)
Women’s 800 m - 1:54.82 - Brittany Summers (CDG) - VII (Emberton)
Women’s 1 500 m - 3:52.45 - Sheila Glass (UIE) - II (Querzakhi)
Women’s 5 000 m - 14:41.22 - Natasha Bukhanovsky (KJS) - III (Columbia)
Women’s 10 000 m - 29:50.32 - Victoria Slusser (DAR) - VIII (Orean)
Women’s 100 m Hurdles - 12.34 - Juanita Stewart (COM) - II (Querzakhi)
Women’s 400 m Hurdles - 52.85 - Carmela De Santis (CAR), Isabela Gonçalves (FDS) - V (Outineau), VIII (Orean)
Women’s 3 000 m Steeplechase - 8:57.53 - Lívia Vicente (CAF) - VII (Emberton)
Women’s 4×100 m Relay (Team of 4) - 42.01 - 주/Κονσολάκη/Parker/왕 (JSY) - II (Querzakhi)
Women’s 4×400 m Relay (Team of 4) - 3:18.29 - Jordo/Oliveira/Rios/Janurio) (CAF) - II (Querzakhi)
Women’s Marathon - 2:19:05 - 687762 (BAZ) - II (Querzakhi)
Women’s 20 km Walk - 1:26:37 - Gwen Mariani (LID) - IV (Aeropag)
Women’s 50 km Walk - 3:56:39 - Urranna Southerwilds (BRS) - IV (Aeropag)
Women’s High Jump - 2.11 - Ingrid Putanesca (BER) - V (Outineau)
Women’s Pole Vault - 5.05 - Yolanda Savic (MYT) - VI (Lasft)
Women’s Long Jump - 7.07 - Lara Docherty (OSR) - VI (Lasft)
Women’s Triple Jump - 15.65 - Karima Garsia (COM) - II (Querzakhi)
Women’s Shot Put - 20.69 - Παναγιώτης Σπυριδάκη (COM) - II (Querzakhi)
Women’s Discus Throw - 67.21 - Vilma Natalina Conceio (CAF) - III (Columbia)
Women’s Hammer Throw - 77.37 - Lexi Monvel (MKT) - II (Querzakhi)
Women’s Javelin Throw - 71.50 - Valerie Ruby (TAE) - V (Outineau)
Women’s Heptathlon - 6992 - Professor Ana Wolf (LID) - V (Outineau)

[Farfadillis]

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Wow, thanks a lot UG for taking all the time. Specially because I've now gotten a record in Athletics.

I wonder, though. How'd you get to see the Olympic Threads from Jolt? Did Zwang store those as well?

[Liventia]

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Wow, thanks a lot UG for taking all the time. Specially because I've now gotten a record in Athletics.

I wonder, though. How'd you get to see the Olympic Threads from Jolt? Did Zwang store those as well?

Yes.

[Farfadillis]

Wow, thanks a lot UG for taking all the time. Specially because I've now gotten a record in Athletics.

I wonder, though. How'd you get to see the Olympic Threads from Jolt? Did Zwang store those as well?

Yes.

Oh, that's great from her. Thank you.

[Zwangzug]

Sure thing, and thanks to Commerce Heights for helping with the archive collection.

In case you want them, the non-Latin alphabets load okay on my copy of the threads, even Querzakhi. (Maybe it's a zip file problem? Although I can't always get them to show up in Notepad.) So, here you go: some of them even come with built-in transliterations!

Men’s Marathon - 2:07:08: 함손립 (Ham Son-lib)

Men’s Triple Jump - 18.13: 황휘산 (Hwaŋ Hwi-san)

Women’s 4×100 m Relay (Team of 4) - 42.01 (주/Κονσολάκη/Parker/왕)

Women’s Shot Put - 20.69: Παναγιώτης Σπυριδάκη (Panagiṓtīs Spyridákī)

[Karditan]

...a Panagiotis won the women's shotput? Either there was an inverse boy-named-Sue or someone used the guise of foreignspeak to sneak a man into a woman's competition...

(If you're wondering, the feminine form of that name is Panagia.)

[United Gordonopia]

Sure thing, and thanks to Commerce Heights for helping with the archive collection.

In case you want them, the non-Latin alphabets load okay on my copy of the threads, even Querzakhi. (Maybe it's a zip file problem? Although I can't always get them to show up in Notepad.) So, here you go: some of them even come with built-in transliterations!

Men’s Marathon - 2:07:08: 함손립 (Ham Son-lib)

Men’s Triple Jump - 18.13: 황휘산 (Hwaŋ Hwi-san)

Women’s 4×100 m Relay (Team of 4) - 42.01 (주/Κονσολάκη/Parker/왕)

Women’s Shot Put - 20.69: Παναγιώτης Σπυριδάκη (Panagiṓtīs Spyridákī)

Thanks for those Zwang! The above list has been updated accordingly!

[Liventia]

Just to confirm, Krytenia will be my Olympic Council vice-president by virtue of him having hosted the last Winter Olympics not hosted by myself.

[Saugeais]

I guess with the Summer Olympics over, I'd like to announce that, once the time draws near for bids to be placed, I'll be bidding for the Winter Olympics. Still in the preliminary write-up phase, so don't worry: planning all this out with what I want to do is going to take a while. I guess the one thing I can confirm at this time is that even though Sochi is right around the corner, I'll be using the base events from Vancouver.

[Quakmybush]

Perhaps we could asterisk the Olympic Records page for Athletics and say that the first olympiad marks were discarded due to drug tests? I would not object to trawling through the old olympics results myself to find the new OR marks.

I would be in favour of such a move. The incomplete Third Winter Olympics threw up some curious Olympic records which makes me question the host of those Olympics, but as those games weren't finished it's easier to ignore those records as unofficial. But with a complete Olympics run at a time when xkoranate wasn't available, it's definitely down to a quirk of the scorinator at the time and given those results will never be reproduced in the forseeable future, I think it's a good idea to treat those records differently.

Yup, you nailed me.......

Anything to back up these claims?

[Liventia]

I would be in favour of such a move. The incomplete Third Winter Olympics threw up some curious Olympic records which makes me question the host of those Olympics, but as those games weren't finished it's easier to ignore those records as unofficial. But with a complete Olympics run at a time when xkoranate wasn't available, it's definitely down to a quirk of the scorinator at the time and given those results will never be reproduced in the forseeable future, I think it's a good idea to treat those records differently.

Yup, you nailed me.......

Anything to back up these claims?

The fact that medals were all over the place, and the records were literally better than RL ones (very rare if you were using xkoranate) and would still be standing much like the ones from Ashford?

[Olympic Council]

An updated list of members of the Olympic Council (participated in either the VIII Winter Olympics or the Games of the VIII Olympiad) follows. If you believe you should be on this list but are not, please telegram Liventia.

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[Silkjd]

From September 1, 2013, Silkjd National Olympic Committee will use the following emblem:

Please give some opinions about the emblem.

[Shofercia]

Considering that quite a few of us will be watching the Sochi Olympics in February, shouldn't we start planning for the Games right now? Or is it still too soon?

Ideally, the host meet one of the following criteria:

1. Hosted the Olympics before
2. Hosted a multi-sport event before, as well as a team event

This is to prevent newbies from bidding on the Olympics, which usually results in hilarity for some of us, and a "not this again!" for others

[Vaugania]

Considering that quite a few of us will be watching the Sochi Olympics in February, shouldn't we start planning for the Games right now? Or is it still too soon?

Ideally, the host meet one of the following criteria:

1. Hosted the Olympics before
2. Hosted a multi-sport event before, as well as a team event

This is to prevent newbies from bidding on the Olympics, which usually results in hilarity for some of us, and a "not this again!" for others

Vaugania is very qualified to host this. We have hosted 84 editions of the Vaugania Olympics.

The Olympics will be in our new stadium, Olympic Stadium. It is really big and it is red, blue, green, yellow, and black. It seats 400,000 people and all of the events will be in the stadium or right outside of the stadium. we promise will do good.

I agree, Shof. It always takes a while to get bids for these anyway and the RP count as well as the number of participating delegations will take a hit if we don't start thinking about this right now.

[Saugeais]

*notes that we are nearing the end of writing up a bid*

[Liventia]

The past few Winter Olympics votes haven't happened till late December so I'm not overly concerned yet.

[Shofercia]

The past few Winter Olympics votes haven't happened till late December so I'm not overly concerned yet.

That's true, but we didn't have the Olympic Games IRL.

Fifth Winter (2010, 63 nations) Olympics: February 12th - February 28th: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36740
Sixth (2011, 58 nations) Winter Olympics: February 11th - February 27th: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=94750
Seventh (2012, 67 nations, +2 combined) Winter Olympics: February 10th - March 9th: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=94750
Eight (2013, 69 nations, +2 combined) Winter Olympics: February 1st - February 27th: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=222126

In 2010, we had the NS Olympics correspond to the RL Olympics. If we do it again, we might end up with a drop in nations that can attend, because following Olympics on NSG and IRL could be too much. So, I wouldn't worry if it was a non-Olympic year, but during an Olympic year, I'd prefer an earlier starting date than February.

[Liventia]

I've no real intention to change the date of the vote; bidders can express in their bids when they intend to hold the Games.