Hurtful Outcomes Incorporated (MT)

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Oi, Work in progress...

Anyways, the rules of this storefront are pretty standardized.

1- Questions regarding current designs and any new designs strongly encouraged
2- 10% discount if you do your own math (and can prove you're right)
3- Please don't ask for RL equipment

What you'll see once this is up:
*Small Arms (mostly rifles, some shotguns, grenade launchers, and a 35 mm payload rifle)
*Small-arms munitions (indiginously developed cartridges)
*Aircraft+Drones (2 drones, 2 planes, may start work on a helicopter)
*Land Vehicles (Light series, Heavy series, and a Super-heavy land-train)
*Ships (A Frigate, may work on land-capable assault hovercraft in kiloton region and a submarine)
*Accessories (scopes, sights, Fire-control systems, radar, IIR-scopes, 'laser-weapon systems')
*Mercenary-Services.
*Products sold under liscense

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First will be quick refferance-list posts /w/ links to individual design-post descriptions

Kampfenburg Armoury: (Obsolete surplus)

K-09DM2S6 (turn) Bolt action sniper-rifle (detachable 20rd magazine, 6x40 scope): $175 (Mostly cost of scope plus S&H)

K-12 (straight pull) Bolt action rifle: $55
K-12B Pump-action Rifle: $65

K-17 LMG: $150
K-17B Automatic Rifle: $175
K-17T Battle-rifle: $200

Kampfenburg Armoury Inc:

Pave-Pointer Pistol: $325
Hellgun revolver-carbine: $274

New Roanoke armoury:

CMG-3/07 Unniversal/General-perpose MG: $875
LAR-655E2 Assault-Rifle (export model): $225
LSR-655 Designated Marksman Rifle (bullpup): $475
CC-35R Recoiless Payload rifle: $1,100

Hurtian Armarments Co.

HAP-655 micro-assault rifle: $275
HM-320 Grenade Launcher: $150
PGL-40 Pump-action Grenade launcher: $975

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6.5x55 mm Hurtian

"Triplex"/"Long-shot" grenades

*35 mm Shell

*120 mm AT Grenade/RAP (hand/rifle/mortar launched)

*Guided Rifle-grenade

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OOC: yes, links and full write-up coming... Just working kinda slow since my computer is outta commission and I'd rather have the string of posts up before spam interupts me.

F-7 Buccaneer, Tactical Bomber/Multirole

Due to the growing concern over the longevity of the F-4 Pantom IIs currently serving in the Hurtian air-arm, and the availability of modern aircraft from friendly nations to fit within a limited budget, weapons procurement was in a jam...

Due to a sever lack of conventional materials for building aircraft, a limited quantity of war-weary frontline aircraft had been slated for scrapping. This however, only allowed for 100 metric tons of vital war materials to be divided amongst what was planned to be no less than 100 twin-engined airframes.

A stopgap purchase of F-5Ms were made, but the performance of these was found quite lacking compared to the aircraft it was to replace (the F-4) in both BVR air to air and general-purpose ground-pounding, the ground pounding in particular. However, the real value of this purchase lay in knowledge of the "fiberglass" TF-70 engine from Aerospace Logistics and how to build more of them.

Airframe construction:
No more than 15% alumunum-lithium and no more than 5% titanium. These are primarily used in the engine, wing-pivot, and high-stress/high-temperature areas.

Bulk of frame is of reinforced polymers such as but not limited to carbon-impregnated epoxy, with thin-strand aluminum/copper reinforcing wires to improve max wing-loading and heat dispersion.

To keep the composite airframe from melting or burning-up, in addition to limiting its radar-signature, much of the airframe was covered in alternating strips of alumia- and ironball- based paints applied in two coats over the carbon-epoxy stressed skin. The belief behind using strips was that it would cut-down of the [loaded] plane's RCS by 12% and prevent radar-waves from hitting the few but extremely reflective metalic parts inside while conducting excess heat away from the aircraft's leading edges.

Butterfly tail assemby is used to hide IR signature from overhead interceptors and lighten the airframe whilst improving dynamic instability.

Also located here are one of the four Radar-warning recievers, an aircraft parachute, and engine cooling vent.

Propulsion/Engine:
Twin engines based upon ALC (V10's) TF70 design (itself a plasticized copy of the GE F404/F414), there is some controversy as to whether this copying of a protected company secret has been legitimate or a product of poor reverse engineering, as the indiginously produced engines have been observed suffering various problems and generally performing less than anticipated.

The noted lack of sustained thrust has forced the design-team to consider the plane a long-range tactical bomber, rather than as the originally planned multi-role long-range interceptor.

In spite of the engine's shortcomings, they have been used to demonstrate supersonic sprints near ground level, though authorities have denied the press from observing the aftermath of these demonstrations upon the airframes.

The hurtian engine has been reported to burn methane* and involves water-alchohol injection and/or a water-jacket to help cool the entire engine during full power usage. Other forms of active cooling are aparently used, due to the distinct ram-air intakes nested within the wing glove.

The main engine intakes are alongside the fusalage, and features a split-S bend, presumably to reduce RCS.

Aerodynamic considerations:
Due to the limited nature of hurtian airfields, the ever-increasing size of the plane, and the reliability issues associated with blown lifting-surfaces powered by the unreliable engine available, resaulted in the decision to use the archiac and out of place swing-wing.

Inevitably, this feature used up a considerable portion of critically rationed allotment of titanium, but it was deemed that this would return the favor with improved reliability and better performance.

Then came the issue of control. With the wings swept, normal aileron control would prove useless, and spoilers could prove fataly unresponsive. It was decided to use a flying tail-surface and spoilers inside the exhaust-nozzles to facilitate rapid high-speed manuvering at high and low altitude with and without power.

However, it was noted that excessive use of engine-spoilers or thrust-reversers would damage the tailframe, so this feature was deleted in early models until 2D thrust vectoring was decided upon instead.

The front of the fusalage was given chines with spoilers for redundancy, as the butterfly tail-surfaces were designed to be considerably more vertical and each placed outboard the engines.

Another interesting feature of the plane was a "dogtooth" on the outer edge of each wing-glove to further improve handling at high angles of attack, presumably reflecting the last second change in role from a lightly loaded interceptor to a heavily laden bomber. This dogtooth also seems to be used to break the shock-wave upon the ram-air intakes and pitot tubes.

Electronics/Avionics:
For a "mud-mover", the sensors are quite advanced, containing no less than three IIR modules allowing a passive "look-down, shoot-down" capability, each slewed to their own laser-designator, allowing LOBL-LOS from the aircraft and hands-free targeting during highly evasive manuvers so long as the target remains within the 270 degree frontal arc.

Advanced software has allowed each IIR/Laser module to frequency hop and designate for two targets each.

The radar, of course, is no less advanced, being literally ripped from pre-existing long-range missile interceptors, allows for active tracking of enemy ships out to many hundreds of kilometers. and with finite enough resolution for Terrain-contour mapping, navigation, and reconisance.

Included, is a strap-down ring-laser gyroed inertial guidance that recieves updates from GPS, ground control stations, and known TERCOM maps in order to penetrate deep into enemy territory with zero radiological emissions.

An advanced Radar Warning Array built conformal to the outer body of the plane, linked with active radar cancelation software routed through the powerful AESA radar and other electronic countermeasures. All of these features are managed by the Weapon Systems Operator in the starboard section of the cockpit. But in the event of incapacitation, the main computer will automatcly deploy countermeasures if enabled, or will prompt the either of the crew to do so, simply by biting the microphone, affectionatly dubbed "the panic button".

Along the each wing glove is an additional RWR and side-looking IR, which combined with the other sensors, provides unprecedented situational awareness out to 600 km, and can locate and track up to 50 targets out to 400 km away. However, constraints on the fire-control system limits each plane to engaging an absolute maximum of 6 targets simultaniously out to only 100 km away. But considering that these planes can only mount weapons onto 12 of their hardpoints, this is acceptable as it is customary to shoot two missiles at each target.
However, all this information would be useless if it wasn't displayed properly on the five multi-function displays, HUD, and centraly located Weapons-scope.

Essential avionics have analog backups, such as airspeed indicator, altimeter, fuel-gauge, engine temprature gauge, and free-floating magnetic compass that doubles as an artificial horizon. Additional bobble-heads are optional.

The plane comes with a water/kerosene refueling probe and a boom-type refueling receptical.

Crew Comfort and Safety:
The cockpit seats a pair of operators side-by-side (WSO starboard, pilot to port) with a wide corridor down the center and a small galley in the back (mini-fridge, thermos of coffee, hot-plate, and a crock-pot), though it is only accessible by lying on one's back. This was allowed due to the long endurance this plane must have, with sorties expected to last up to 20 hours without any relief aside from IAR and radio chatter.

The other reason for the side-seating was because the twin-engine layout and large Radar were quite wide, and because "tandem seating looked fugly".

Throttle controls are centrally located, with integral HOTAS for basic pilot functions, while the WSO is tasked with updating and maintaining the computer's simple AI control interface and "roll+pitch" auto-pilot settings and navigation, which was stripped from an advanced cruise missile.

The single canopy was hinged at the rear and locked in front for normal use however, when ejecting the rear hinge is blown and the entire screw-seating-compartment (mini-fridge included) would ride-up, with the roll-bar snagging a hook near the hinge to shear-off the front clasp, forming a large clamshell and protecting the crew no matter where they were. Rapid deceleration from the crew's drogue-chutes in the slipstream would later remove the canopy and allow the crew to parachute safely on their own. A third and international-orange parachute would safely lower the mini-fridge to the ground intact, and in the event of water bailout, would act as a flotation device.

If however, the explosive hinge-bolts fail to detonate, the roll-bar can also be used to penetrate the canopy, though this subjects the crew to high-velocity shards of polycarbonate.

The last option, in the event that your CO removed and sold your ejection seats on the black-market, is to grab the mini-fridge, open the front clasp, and jump. The mini-fridge is important in the event your CO stole one of your parachutes, and so you, your co-pilot, and the mini-fridge, may have to share.

Weapons/Armament:
Each wing glove has three weapons hardpoints rated to 500 kg each mounted underwing, with provisions for an additional hardpoint on the "dogtooth" (150 kg each [hints at using AAM-97L]). While the outboard wing sections each carry two fixed pylons that do not swing with the wing, these are rated for 250 kg and are angled 45 degrees inward. Under the fusalage are a pair of long pyons each rated for 2,000 kg (so it may carry the Hurtian ELRAAM). Brining the max warload to 8,300 kg of external weapons stores.

Under the nose is a recessed bay for an integral gunpod and FLIR, in practice, this is a 35 mm cannon with 60 rounds.

Stats:
Crew: 2
Crew accomodations: 2 seated, 1 bedded
Mini-Fridge Dimensions: 50 cm x 75 cm x 25 cm

Dimensions:
Length: 21 meters
Wingspan, Swept 22.5 degrees: 20 meters
Wingspan, Swept 70 degrees: 12 meters
Height: 5 meters

Wieghts:
Empty: 18,000 kg
Loaded: 22,000 kg
MTOW: 37,000 kg

Powerplant:
Engines: Two TF-70 non-afterburning low-bypass turbofans
Dry: 60 to 70 kN each
Water-injected: ~90 kN each
Fuel: CH4 /w/ water injection OR kerosene
Internal Fuel capacity (methane): 6,000 kg
Internal Water/kerosene Capacity: 500 kg

Performance:
Max speed (altitude): 990 knots (limited by fixed intakes)
Max speed (sea level): 862 knots
Supercruise speed: 800 knots
Cruise speed: 550 knots
Rate of Climb: 110 m/s
Range (combat, max load): 600 km
Range (6000 kg bomload): 800 km
Range (4000 kg bomload): 1,100 km
Range (ferry): 13,000 km

Armarment:
Gun: Integral gunpod
Pylons:
2x fusalage (1,000 kg ea), 6x under wing gloves (500 kg ea), 2x over wigh glove (100 kg each), 4x outer wing (500 kg ea)

Fire-control system:
Range:
Effective RWR traking range: 400 NM
Effective AESA Radar range: 150 NM
FLIR range: 30 NM
Targeting coverage:
Radar: 60 degrees off boresight
Laser: 270 degrees off coverage, 3.5 laser designaters
IR: 30 degrees off-boresight /w/ AIM-9P5, 2 overhead rails

Cost: $40 million each

FMA-6C, Close-Air Support/Utility

Structural Stealth:
Faceting is obvious, though that was just to cut costs, any stealth derived from that is only percieved and not actual. Though it is helpful when marketing it as stealth when it looks the part.

The stealth lies in the structure, as the outer paneling is RADAR transparent plywood, underneath is radar-absorbent foam cells, and and then a sheet of ccorrogated durilium for rigidity, though bolts and flush-rivets are occassionally visable, and this undoubtedly reflets some RADAR, but the chances of a plane being spotted because of this alone is far less than what would happen to the structure had they been omited.

The armored tub was tested at an altitude of 3,000 feet by local ground based AAA.

Powrplant:
The rear mounted pusher Tubo-prop is a fairly standard light-duty gas turbine operating a pair of contra-rotating propellers.

The air inlet is located immediately behind the cockpit and the motor is recessed in an S-bend, with the exhaust spread out above the airframe behind the intake (and so ensuring optional heating, cooling is achieved by sucking cold air into the exhaust manifold and around the cockpit), also contributing pressure for the blown flaps which allow for its unique STOL properties.

Landing gear:
The plane operates on a tricycle landing gear. The noseheel may be jacked to allow for 15 degrees of additional nose-up for shortened take-offs. In the rear is a hook for catching an arrestor wire for carrier landings.

Performance:
The plane is an inherently stable, thus allowing it a steady gun and bomb platform capable of absorbing large amounts of in-flight damage and return home safely.

Low stall speed is achieved by large blown flaps and slats.

Armarment:
35 mm is the smallest cannon size my nation fields, though the mounting may be downgraded in a pinch. The two ammunition drums are readily accessable by the ground crew, allowing complete replacement of all magazines in a matter of seconds.

All pylons have electronic uplinks for guided munitions, and ECM pods, The inboard pylons are 'wet'.

The internal bomb-bay may be retro-fitted as a passenger compartment.

Cockpit:
Entry to the cabin is through the nosewheel landing gear, although the canopy is fitted with explosive bolts and a manual release, it is not recommended that this be used as normal egress as the joint may wear out and break over time.

The cabin is non-pressurized and is open directly to the internal bomb-bay, thaough a ballistic nylon tarp may be strung up as an improvised 'bulkhead' should the pilot wish for privacy.

The plane lacks an ejection seat. Although the cockpit is roomy enough for the plane to carry a co-pilot in a supine position (/w/ smuggled military cot) for extended patrols and reduced crew fatigue. There is a rear-facing pintle mounted GPMG offered as an optional weapons package.

Sensors:
Most noticeable is the complete lack of RADAR, as this was deemed not only unnecessary, but actually counter-productive. It was also deemed sufficent to outfit RWR atop the twin horizontal stabalizers.

The nose houses a very powerful FLIR and laser designating/ranging assembly for engaging air and ground targets semi-automaticly.

A thermal image is presented on the HUD, the pilots then utilizes a light-gun to select and track targets on the HUD, to which the image is supplied by a CRT display. This system allows the plane to track targets wide off boresight without using helmet mounted displays.

There is also the option of mounting an HUD on every panel of the canopy, as the slap sided glass and roomy cockpit readily presents themselves to this option. Provided the canopy is never removed.

Physical Characteristics:
Length: 40 ft
Span: 30 ft
Empty Weight: 12,000 lbs
Max takeoff weight: 24,000 lbs
Fuel: 200 gal
Structure: Composite sandwich panels and monocoque tube bracing
Control: FBW with 2 Wire and Pulley control redundancies/feedback
Avionics: IRST, gimballed LRF, Radios, UH to LFDF (radar warning/direction finder) GPS/inertial Nav.
Flight display: Analogue (dials) and HUD+gunsight
Engine: Turboprop (1,000 hp)

Performance:
Maximum Speed: 350 mph @ sea level
Cruise Speed: 180 mph (max range)
Loitering speed: 90 mph (max endurance)
Take off speed: 60 mph (landing gear limits angle of attack)
Min. Speed: 30 mph (at very high angles of attack)
Range: (200 gal) 1500 miles (600 gal) 6,000 miles (1000 gal) 10,000 miles (1400 gal) 15,000 miles
Rate of Climb: 1200 ft/min
Ceiling: 25,000 ft
Minimum Runway: 1000 ft

Load:
Internal:
Two 1 ton hardpoints may carry a 400-gallon ferry tank each
External:
Two 1 ton pylons on inside of wing, may carry a 200-gallon drop tank each
Two ½ ton pylons on outside of wing
A pair of ¼ ton wingtip pylons
Guns: One CC-35B revolver cannon with 250 shells (35 mm) in nose.

Flight Characteristics and Capabilities:

Roll Rate of 180 degrees/second
Incorporates rudimentary STEALTH technology
Highly Departure Resistant
Forgiving Flying Qualities
Heavy ceramic/composite armored ‘Tub’ proof to 30-mm cannon (10% chance of penetration), resists up to 75-mm (50% chance of penetration)
Maintains Level Flight at Angles of Attack Over 30 Degrees
STOL and unsurpassed rough field handling
Stressed for Navy use

Cost: $5 Million

FMA-6D, Ground-attack UCAV

Physical Characteristics:
Length: 40 ft (~13 meters)
Span: 60 ft (~18.5 meters)
Empty Weight: 10,000 lbs (~4,536 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 26,000 lbs (~11,790 kg)
Fuel: 400 gallons (1514 liters)
Structure: Composite sandwich panels and monocoque tube bracing
Control: FBW radio-command /w/ inertial/GPS/Stellar autopilot and crude combat-AI

Engine: V-12 turbo-Diesel Motor driving two contra-rotating ducted fans (3,000 SHP) + Afterburning Motorjet
~200 HP/Ton

Performance:
Max speed @ 10,000 ft/3,000 m: 325 kts (~600 km/hr)
Maximum Speed @ sea level: 275 kts (~500 km/hr)
Cruise Speed: 175 kts (~325 km/hr)
Loitering speed @ altitude: 125 kts (235 km/hr)
Loitering speed @ sea-level: 100 kts
Take off speed: 60 kts
Stall Speed: 40 kts (at very high angles of attack)

Range: (400 gallon internal fuel) 750 miles (1,380 km) 5-6 hrs
(Internal fuel plus centerline 200 gallon ferry tank) 1,000 miles (1,850 km) 7-8 hrs
Patrol Radius (Hi-Hi-Hi): 250 miles /w/ 2hr loiter
Combat radius (Hi-Lo-Lo/Lo-Lo-Hi): 325 miles (~600 km)
Combat radius (Lo-Lo-Lo): 200 miles
Hi-Lo Kamikaze/Cruise-missile strike: 600-800 miles
Rate of Climb: 1000 ft/min (5 m/s)

Ceiling: 15,000 ft (4,570 m)

Load:
Internal:
Two half-ton bomb-racks /w/ 'missile-crutches' (trapeeze)
External:
One centerline pylon rated for 1-ton (resserved for gunpod+towed decoy)
Four 250 kg underwing pylons
Two 125 kg wingtip pylons
Two 125 kg overwing pylons

Guns: One CC-35A linear action cannon with 50 shells (35 mm) in nose.
Lasers: 1 MW IR Gas-Dynamic Laser, and 2x 480 watt Nd-YAGs.
Compatable weapons:
Bofors RBS-70
AIM-9/AGM-122
Hydra-70/APKWS/FIM-92
AGM-65 Maverick
AGM-114 HELLFIRE
AGM-45 Shrike/Hughes Brazo
AIM-7R/AIM-120/AIM-152 BVRAAMs with limited capability

Cost: $4 million

MMP-1 Squad-level UAV

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HT-101

HT-106

M.U.H.T.

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Katana class frigate
Variants:
AAW
Gunship (mortar/VGS)
ASW
Arsenal-ship
Helicopter-carrier [for using VH-22s and Mi-6/26s]
CAMS-equipped/drone-ship

Conventional Submarine: (undesignated program)
-Arsenal-ship variant
-Drone/Cruise missile carrier
-Cargo/minelaying variant

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Other services

Non-MT objects:
Kinetic-Energy-Weapon/Laser (KEWL)
Power-armor

OOC: no... not nearly ready yet... I'll bump it when finished.

[Crumlark]

"why hello, may i receive a shipment of one million bolt action rifles if there is that many in there? Because I need to equip my army with more than wristblades, machetes and assorted pistols+sniper rifles looted from a nation I dominated

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"why hello, may i receive a shipment of one million bolt action rifles if there is that many in there? Because I need to equip my army with more than wristblades, machetes and assorted pistols+sniper rifles looted from a nation I dominated

I assume you mean for the 'standard' K-12 rifle that never saw Hutrian service due to severe shortcomings. The design was largely improved replaced four years later after much R&D by a cammed pump-action design.

We'd be happy to ship our entire stockpile of approximately 15,000 rifles for $575,000 plus the cost of renting one of our tramp merchant-steamers for the task of making the transaction and cursory instruction on use for a total of $600,000. Some offloading, cleaning, and assembly at point of purchase required. We are not liable for any products damaged in transit unless you purchase the extended warranty.

Please hold while we perform a standard background-check on your regime.

A quick inventory of specific types, marks, models, and functionality of the rifles will be made at your destination. Please have your chief armorers, weapons-inspectors, invoice, and cash on-hand to finalise the transaction.

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and, we would like a recommendation, what weapon would we be looking for when we want a gun with a good range, but are willing to comprimise that for rapid fire, and it has to be dependable

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A belt-fed heavy machine-gun on a tripod with a scope.

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For a sniper-rifle, there are many other things at work than just spamming a bunch of high-quality bullets downrange.

For one, is a reduced firing-profile and improved mobility; tripods are big, muzzle-flash and dust kicked-up from the blast are real problems, the person carrying it also has to be able to still hide from patrol-sweeps.

The advantage of semi-automatic weapons is never having to take your eyes off the sight; which is great for low-recoil arms, but when the recoil is strong enough to completely ruin your firing-posture, there really isn't any point.

Some people say semi-automatic is bad because it auto-chucks a shiny lump of brass into the air, and tapped gases reduce effective range. While both conditions are true, the brass-flick is going to have to wait in line behind the muzzle-blast, and most rifles already have the tiny range limitation. The real issue may be that fouling of the gas-port may change the muzzle-velocity to a slightly greater extent than normal barrel-fouling alone.

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If you want to kill a bajillion infantry caught in the open, fast; call the artillery.

The sniper's job is to find and kill the SOB that is directing the enemy's artillery upon your position.

Click-click-boom.

I could also sell you a number of Lebel and Berthier Mle. 16 rifles.

Also got a few swedish Krags.

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about 1,000,000 US dollars worth of those suggested rifles at the bottom should do for any remaining problems, thank you

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I figure I could outfit your army with 5,000 such rifles and 2,500 rifle-scopes for such a cost.

However, these rifle-scopes may not be of the finest quality.

Expect a hodge-podge collection of Pu/ZF4 (Krags), APX mle. 1921 (Berthiers), and some Lunnette scopes, 4x, 3x, and 2.5x respectively.

Don't expect them to perform miracle-shots: the barels are old, worn, and pitted; the 8mm cartridge could also use a little help.

On the other hand, You'll be shooting something comparable (ballisticly) to a really good 7.62x39 soviet.

Just remember that you're shooting vintage .30-40 krag, 8x50R, 7.62x54R, 6.5x55 Swede, and 6.5x50SR Arisaka.