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Of course we want to join. We're Mediterreania.

As a member of the IASEN I will formally like to say we treat all of our slaves equally.
*Slaves are not to be beaten to the point of bruising or death in circumstances where this is avoidable
*The murder of a slave is to have the same importance as that of a freedman in the eyes of the slave,
*Sexual Intercourse with slaves is not to be engaged in without the slaves consent as outlined by the sovereign nations law
*Slaves must be provided with food water and adequate housing at all times
*Slave families should not be broken up, in any circumstance where such is avoidable
*Pregnant slaves shall not preform work for the duration of their pregnancy, or arduous labor until 3 weeks after the birth,
*Crippled and Elderly slaves shall be assigned only to roles accommodating their limited abilities, in accord with the severity and timespan of their infirmity
*Slaves delivered shall meet the specifications of the slave purchased
*Slaves will be delivered upon the receipt of payment
*Slaves will not be damaged during transit in any avoidable circumstance
*If a slave is injured in transit this will be noted before the transaction is complete and the slave will be given treatment if possible, keeping in mind the severity of the injury
*Nations reserve the right to execute slaves if accosted by pirate forces in international water
Official IASEN document of Treatment of Slaves.

So please do not mess with us as we are treating them perfectly and trying to stop us will be considered the final right with in the Treatment of Slaves rule.

Ah Fuck the IASEN, The CASTLE is where to be, sign me up!

St George of England wrote:OOC: Is it possible to sign/agree to the Kázmér Doctrine and not join CASTLE? The Imperial Papal Empire operates a don't ask, don't tell policy on these things, but reserves the right to ignore it and attack slavers.

Depends on His Majesty's mood.

OOC: Sure.

Necroca wrote:So please do not mess with us as we are treating them perfectly and trying to stop us will be considered the final right with in the Treatment of Slaves rule.

That's it. I'm moving to have you suspended or expelled. You do not speak for the IASEN. Ever. Stop saying what will or will not be considered as something by the IASEN. Do this again, you're gone. No trial, nothing.
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Sorry OP, won't post here again. Neither will he if he wants to retain membership.

signed and request help in waging war on someone who supports the trade

Necroca wrote:As a member of the IASEN I will formally like to say we treat all of our slaves equally.
*Slaves are not to be beaten to the point of bruising or death in circumstances where this is avoidable
*The murder of a slave is to have the same importance as that of a freedman in the eyes of the slave,
*Sexual Intercourse with slaves is not to be engaged in without the slaves consent as outlined by the sovereign nations law
*Slaves must be provided with food water and adequate housing at all times
*Slave families should not be broken up, in any circumstance where such is avoidable
*Pregnant slaves shall not preform work for the duration of their pregnancy, or arduous labor until 3 weeks after the birth,
*Crippled and Elderly slaves shall be assigned only to roles accommodating their limited abilities, in accord with the severity and timespan of their infirmity
*Slaves delivered shall meet the specifications of the slave purchased
*Slaves will be delivered upon the receipt of payment
*Slaves will not be damaged during transit in any avoidable circumstance
*If a slave is injured in transit this will be noted before the transaction is complete and the slave will be given treatment if possible, keeping in mind the severity of the injury
*Nations reserve the right to execute slaves if accosted by pirate forces in international water
Official IASEN document of Treatment of Slaves.

So please do not mess with us as we are treating them perfectly and trying to stop us will be considered the final right with in the Treatment of Slaves rule.

Ah Fuck the IASEN, The CASTLE is where to be, sign me up!

Signed

The government of The Unitary Republic of Lykosia hereby signed and ratified the treaty.

-Phantom Skye
President of Lykosia

Just a small question, but what happened to the World Anti Slavery Organisation (WASO)?

Libertarian Governance wrote:Do not speak that vile name here. It is an organization that has been uncovered as nothing but a front for a few fat cats to line their pockets with the donations of those who sought to bring an end to this heinous inhuman enterprise. Who has this reprehensible front company actually freed? Many supporters freed slaves but the front company itself is a joke and not considered at all a threat by slavers. Slavers in fact, laugh at that group because it is bought and paid for by the very thugs they claim to support.

WASO is not a thug organization. It is noble but ultimately misguided. A peaceful end to slavery is much better than a violent one.

Mediterreania wrote:

Libertarian Governance wrote:Do not speak that vile name here. It is an organization that has been uncovered as nothing but a front for a few fat cats to line their pockets with the donations of those who sought to bring an end to this heinous inhuman enterprise. Who has this reprehensible front company actually freed? Many supporters freed slaves but the front company itself is a joke and not considered at all a threat by slavers. Slavers in fact, laugh at that group because it is bought and paid for by the very thugs they claim to support.

WASO is not a thug organization. It is noble but ultimately misguided. A peaceful end to slavery is much better than a violent one.

Unfortunately, though, there is no sign of that ever happening.

I know nations have signed and have not been added yet those nations will be added as soon their voted on. Thanks for your support in ongoing operations against slavery.

Aldarminia wrote:

Mediterreania wrote:WASO is not a thug organization. It is noble but ultimately misguided. A peaceful end to slavery is much better than a violent one.

Unfortunately, though, there is no sign of that ever happening.

[Note: the following is an IC comment]

What we really find disturbing is the trend towards violence. OTHO and CASTLE are replacing IASEN and WASO. And while we are radically antislavery, there is still a need for reasonable men to conduct peaceful diplomacy. At least IASEN and WASO kept its members in line.

Armed force has freed 200,000,000 slaves while reasonable men hope, pray and talk. viewtopic.php?f=5&t=101062

After some debate, the shareholders and officers of the Makibishi Corporation, speaking for the Incorporated States as per the terms of the Charter of Incorporation, conclude that the terms of the CASTLE Accords are just and reasonable, and have sustained a motion that the Incorporated States should become a signatory of, and be bound by the terms of, those same accords.

Accordingly, acting on my authority as Chief Executive Officer of the Makibishi Corporation, I hereby sign the CASTLE Accords on behalf of the Incorporated States.

Melkolf Arcturus Zaduras
CEO, Makibishi Corporation

Mediterreania wrote:

Aldarminia wrote:Unfortunately, though, there is no sign of that ever happening.

[Note: the following is an IC comment]

What we really find disturbing is the trend towards violence. OTHO and CASTLE are replacing IASEN and WASO. And while we are radically antislavery, there is still a need for reasonable men to conduct peaceful diplomacy. At least IASEN and WASO kept its members in line.

While these "reasonable men" conduct peaceful diplomacy millions, nay, billions suffer, chained to lands they do not own. Possibly millions of them die every day due to horrible conditions. Every single debate and meeting has always led to either of the following: A massive purchase of slaves so that they may be freed or pointless bickering that accomplishes nothing. Slavery must be destroyed by force of arms. It is one of the very few matters where the ends really do justify the means.

OTHO will be swept aside by UR and CASTLE forces. IASEN and WASO are unorganizedn facades. They are both in no better of a state than a state of decadence. For the first time, there is a whole wave of crusades against slavery and they are largely successful. The dagger of freedom has slit the throats of the slavers and now they must bleed. Peace has only led to more profits for the slavers, but it has brought about weakness, much in the way peace and apathy had brought about the weakness of the Conglomerate. The time to strike is now.

OOC-I thought this entire thread was in IC either way.

Aldarminia wrote:

Mediterreania wrote:[Note: the following is an IC comment]

What we really find disturbing is the trend towards violence. OTHO and CASTLE are replacing IASEN and WASO. And while we are radically antislavery, there is still a need for reasonable men to conduct peaceful diplomacy. At least IASEN and WASO kept its members in line.

While these "reasonable men" conduct peaceful diplomacy millions, nay, billions suffer, chained to lands they do not own. Possibly millions of them die every day due to horrible conditions. Every single debate and meeting has always led to either of the following: A massive purchase of slaves so that they may be freed or pointless bickering that accomplishes nothing. Slavery must be destroyed by force of arms. It is one of the very few matters where the ends really do justify the means.

OTHO will be swept aside by UR and CASTLE forces. IASEN and WASO are unorganizedn facades. They are both in no better of a state than a state of decadence. For the first time, there is a whole wave of crusades against slavery and they are largely successful. The dagger of freedom has slit the throats of the slavers and now they must bleed. Peace has only led to more profits for the slavers, but it has brought about weakness, much in the way peace and apathy had brought about the weakness of the Conglomerate. The time to strike is now.

OOC-I thought this entire thread was in IC either way.

Mediterreania agrees with using force to end slavery. Protect life of the innocents by punishing the life of the guilty. But should there not be a way to prevent WWIII?

Aldarminia wrote:

Mediterreania wrote:[Note: the following is an IC comment]

What we really find disturbing is the trend towards violence. OTHO and CASTLE are replacing IASEN and WASO. And while we are radically antislavery, there is still a need for reasonable men to conduct peaceful diplomacy. At least IASEN and WASO kept its members in line.

While these "reasonable men" conduct peaceful diplomacy millions, nay, billions suffer, chained to lands they do not own. Possibly millions of them die every day due to horrible conditions. Every single debate and meeting has always led to either of the following: A massive purchase of slaves so that they may be freed or pointless bickering that accomplishes nothing. Slavery must be destroyed by force of arms. It is one of the very few matters where the ends really do justify the means.

OTHO will be swept aside by UR and CASTLE forces. IASEN and WASO are unorganizedn facades. They are both in no better of a state than a state of decadence. For the first time, there is a whole wave of crusades against slavery and they are largely successful. The dagger of freedom has slit the throats of the slavers and now they must bleed. Peace has only led to more profits for the slavers, but it has brought about weakness, much in the way peace and apathy had brought about the weakness of the Conglomerate. The time to strike is now.

OOC-I thought this entire thread was in IC either way.

Not owning land =/= slavery.

And largely successful? Apart from a defeat of Underium, and I would dispute the '200,000,000' slaves figure hotly, the wars against slavery failed. Has The Scandinvians stopped using slaves? Nickslynvania? Countless others? No. This 'wave of crusades' was nothing more than anti-sovereignty operations under the guise of wars against slavery.

WWIII will not come. The slavers are barely unified. We can divide them and conquer them easily. Their pathetic greed keeps them from risking their precious money to jump to aid their fellow slavers. The few that do ally with each other and retaliate against us are too weak to stand by themselves. With our numbers we could overpower them individually.

Don't be fooled and think Aldarminia wouldn't love to reach a peace. The fact is that peace will only be reached when there is not a slave or slaver in existence and there are only free men and women. What's unfortunate is that there is not a slaver nation out there willing to give up their practice without some sort of preposterous amount of money or tribute or armed conflict.

Is a cruel nation's sovereignty worth more than the millions of lives that nation has ruined? No. it's not. Our war on slavery is not some disguise. It is what it is. A liberation of people forced to work without pay and forced to be treated like dirt. Sovereignty is respected but those nations that practice slavery are just like murderers. They had forsaken their rights to sovereignty when they had stripped human beings of their right to freedom. Where our war has been waged, it has been largely successful. That is undeniable. The vctory over Underium is a testament to that. As for Scandinvans and the Anglo-Saxons, soon they too will meet their fate. Whether they accept to abolish slavery or not is up to them. Either way though, abolition will occur. Peacefuly or not.

Aldarminia wrote:WWIII will not come. The slavers are barely unified. We can divide them and conquer them easily. Their pathetic greed keeps them from risking their precious money to jump to aid their fellow slavers. The few that do ally with each other and retaliate against us are too weak to stand by themselves. With our numbers we could overpower them individually.

Don't be fooled and think Aldarminia wouldn't love to reach a peace. The fact is that peace will only be reached when there is not a slave or slaver in existence and there are only free men and women. What's unfortunate is that there is not a slaver nation out there willing to give up their practice without some sort of preposterous amount of money or tribute or armed conflict.

Is a cruel nation's sovereignty worth more than the millions of lives that nation has ruined? No. it's not. Our war on slavery is not some disguise. It is what it is. A liberation of people forced to work without pay and forced to be treated like dirt. Sovereignty is respected but those nations that practice slavery are just like murderers. They had forsaken their rights to sovereignty when they had stripped human beings of their right to freedom. Where our war has been waged, it has been largely successful. That is undeniable. The vctory over Underium is a testament to that. As for Scandinvans and the Anglo-Saxons, soon they too will meet their fate. Whether they accept to abolish slavery or not is up to them. Either way though, abolition will occur. Peacefuly or not.

George, that's Aldarminia(more specificly its Emperor) talking, not me. Just making that clear. And as far as I'm concerned every nation attacked in the UR's war on slavery accepted the war. "working on land they do not own" was implying the obvious.

Can the Imperial Papal Empire expect to see Aldarminia moving against nations which disallow women or men the vote? Which disallow women or men the right to assembly? The right to serve in government? All could be called apart of a wider 'right to freedom'? Will Aldarminia move against nations which jail abortion doctors? Or nations which jail political dissidents? There is a 'right to freedom' violated, but, again, the Imperial Papal Empire does not see Aldarminia, or Libertarian Governance, or Allenea, or any other moving against nations such as Abruzi, Algrinia or perhaps even Lyras?

Do not pretend that these 'crusades' were anything other than selective. The way the 'crusaders' went about their wars was wrong, both in practice and in aim. Why go after the small slaver states and ignore the larger ones? If you break the largest the smallest will have no choice but to fall in line.

And your assertions to that Aldarminia would 'love to reach a peace' don't fly when, in the very same paragraph you state: "What's unfortunate is that there is not a slaver nation out there willing to give up their practice without some sort of preposterous amount of money or tribute or armed conflict." Is an expensive peace not preferable to war, the Imperial Papal Empire asks? It thinks so.

We cannot speak for Libertarian Governance, Allanea, or any other nation for that matter, but if the Imperial Republic had the economy, the military strength, and the all-around power, we would wage war on all those who do not give the very basic human freedoms. Those rights are the right to life, the right to liberty, and the right the right to the pursuit of happiness. The right to liberty or the right right to freedom is violated every single time a person is enslaved. The right to freedom is the right to live free from oppression and bondage. As long as that right and the others are not violated, we have no quarrel. The right to vote, the right to assembly, and the right to serve in government are not human rights, but civil rights which must be determined by the nation.

Aldarminia, sadly, cannot wage wars on all those nations who pactice slavery. We just can't. We don't have the strength. So we does this mean we jsut sit idle and let the slavers continue their practice while we wait? No. It merely means that we must liberate all those we can. When the day comes that Aldarminia is stronger and larger than all of its enemies, you can expect us to be ridding the world of slavery nation by nation. That day will not come soon though. It might not come at all.

Nor can Aldarminia afford to wreck its entire economy and the lives of more than a billion Aldarminians to liberate a few million slaves by purchasing them for trillions. So as Aldarminia has done for years, we will do what we can. Besides, when fellow anti-slavery nations do give the slavers money, the slavers only give a portion of their slaves and they still continue their practice.

Aldarminia wrote:We cannot speak for Libertarian Governance, Allanea, or any other nation for that matter, but if the Imperial Republic had the economy, the military strength, and the all-around power, we would wage war on all those who do not give the very basic human freedoms. Those rights are the right to life, the right to liberty, and the right the right to the pursuit of happiness. The right to liberty or the right right to freedom is violated every single time a person is enslaved. The right to freedom is the right to live free from oppression and bondage. As long as that right and the others are not violated, we have no quarrel. The right to vote, the right to assembly, and the right to serve in government are not human rights, but civil rights which must be determined by the nation.

What about self-ownership?

Aldarminia, sadly, cannot wage wars on all those nations who pactice slavery. We just can't. We don't have the strength. So we does this mean we jsut sit idle and let the slavers continue their practice while we wait? No. It merely means that we must liberate all those we can. When the day comes that Aldarminia is stronger and larger than all of its enemies, you can expect us to be ridding the world of slavery nation by nation. That day will not come soon though. It might not come at all.

Amen.

Nor can Aldarminia afford to wreck its entire economy and the lives of more than a billion Aldarminians to liberate a few million slaves by purchasing them for trillions. So as Aldarminia has done for years, we will do what we can. Besides, when fellow anti-slavery nations do give the slavers money, the slavers only give a portion of their slaves and they still continue their practice.

If the larger slave states are paid off to abolish, the smaller ones will follow suit.

St George of England wrote:Can the Imperial Papal Empire expect to see Aldarminia moving against nations which disallow women or men the vote? Which disallow women or men the right to assembly? The right to serve in government? All could be called apart of a wider 'right to freedom'? Will Aldarminia move against nations which jail abortion doctors? Or nations which jail political dissidents? There is a 'right to freedom' violated, but, again, the Imperial Papal Empire does not see Aldarminia, or Libertarian Governance, or Allenea, or any other moving against nations such as Abruzi, Algrinia or perhaps even Lyras?

Do not pretend that these 'crusades' were anything other than selective. The way the 'crusaders' went about their wars was wrong, both in practice and in aim. Why go after the small slaver states and ignore the larger ones? If you break the largest the smallest will have no choice but to fall in line.

And your assertions to that Aldarminia would 'love to reach a peace' don't fly when, in the very same paragraph you state: "What's unfortunate is that there is not a slaver nation out there willing to give up their practice without some sort of preposterous amount of money or tribute or armed conflict." Is an expensive peace not preferable to war, the Imperial Papal Empire asks? It thinks so.

Why should we move against Lyras when Lyras attacked that very same slave trader that thought the war was over. It is as he was told. The attacks would continue and they did continue!