Return to the Den - The 2nd Kejian War [OPEN|MT|OOC]

[The Strategic Air Command]

Also, SAC, is that only a single bomber flying into the PROK?

(That's what I get for writing a post with a splitting headache)

Yah, I could have made that clearer. Figure on at least 24 B-70s now crossing the border at various points either over land or sea.

I'll put up a post with the exact number.

[Murovanka]

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Oh, okay, thanks. I've edited my post as well.

[Republic of Kejia]

Full Nation's Name: The Supreme Empire of Imperial Avantia
RP Population: 3.7 bil.
Military Size: 900,000 Active/Reserves CLASSIFIED
Head of State: Emperor Xavier Avantia XVII
Head of Government: Primarch Wilhelm Vert
Civil Rights Rating (/100):29
Economy Rating (/100): 100
Political Freedom Rating (/100): 30
Side Supported: BLUFOR
Type of Support: Military and Economic (mainly loans and navy)
Deployed Forces (If any): 1 Regulus class carrier, 3 Vern class destroyers, 2 Emperor class cruisers, 1 RedactedRedactedRedacted
Any Other Information: I will consume your economy......

Yeah, no you won't. I recall RPing with you before and let's just say it was a huge negative, nah.

Rejected.

[Nerotysia]

Again, I've controlled some of your peoples Wanka. Any problems, just let me know.

[Valdiu]

It's been a few days since I've posted, and I've been meaning to get one up, is it okay if I just put my forces where they would be if I had been posting consistenly?

[Lutvikkia]

When you ask about the C-2, are you asking about the USN C-2


Or the Japanese XC-2

Yes a 6 man team can be dropped by either. BUT the USN C-2 has turbo propellers and turbine engines, which by nature is very loud.

[Nerotysia]

It's been a few days since I've posted, and I've been meaning to get one up, is it okay if I just put my forces where they would be if I had been posting consistenly?

I'm not the OP, but I'd say no. That'd feel way too much like god-modding. Just come up with some reason your troops haven't been deployed yet. Or don't, I mean really not much time has passed. It's been like a day, two days at the very most.

[Republic of Kejia]

It's been a few days since I've posted, and I've been meaning to get one up, is it okay if I just put my forces where they would be if I had been posting consistenly?

I'm not the OP, but I'd say no. That'd feel way too much like god-modding. Just come up with some reason your troops haven't been deployed yet. Or don't, I mean really not much time has passed. It's been like a day, two days at the very most.

Ditto. Thanks for temp-OPing for me Nero.

[AF Independent]

Please mention me as “Independent” or “AF” instead of “AF Indepedent” if that is not an official
document. Reading out the full nation name sounds dull.

Everything so far so good btw. Gonna wait some ic posts first.

[Murovanka]

Again, I've controlled some of your peoples Wanka. Any problems, just let me know.

It's excellent, exactly like zhey would haff answered if I'd been writing ^^

Ah also, we're assuming that there are Kejian officers inside the hotel. No idea what PROKs SAM defences look like, because if you'd have any them bombers would have a hard time.

[Nerotysia]

Again, I've controlled some of your peoples Wanka. Any problems, just let me know.

It's excellent, exactly like zhey would haff answered if I'd been writing ^^

Ah also, we're assuming that there are Kejian officers inside the hotel. No idea what PROKs SAM defences look like, because if you'd have any them bombers would have a hard time.

Eh, that was just an IC way to ask for info on defenses. Unless the PROK can send a rep to the table, which would be very helpful. The answer to the SAM question will, I think, define our overall air strategy.

[Murovanka]

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What I wonder about is that SAC decided to go ahead bombing before launching some kind of SEAD campaign. Kinda risky, if you ask me. But then again, we're only writing a story, and Onto hasn't informed us if the PROK has any SAMs or even proper radars yet (if they don't have proper radars, my bad for sending fighters after invisible targets, but it shouldn't be a problem... I hope).

[Nerotysia]

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What I wonder about is that SAC decided to go ahead bombing before launching some kind of SEAD campaign. Kinda risky, if you ask me. But then again, we're only writing a story, and Onto hasn't informed us if the PROK has any SAMs or even proper radars yet (if they don't have proper radars, my bad for sending fighters after invisible targets, but it shouldn't be a problem... I hope).

I was more befuddled at the large number of bombers in a single sortie (let alone the first sortie) and without escorts. But perhaps he was attempting a lightning victory or something of the sort. He may have assumed PROK has no significant air defenses and just decided to take the risk that his bombers would be intercepted.

[The Strategic Air Command]

First off, sorry for the lack of posts, but I've been feeling like shit for the last two days. I'll try to get something up later today or tomorrow (provided the approaching blizzard doesn't kill the power).

As for strategy, the B-70s best defence is its speed (mach 3) and its service ceiling (77,000+ ft). While some fighters can reach mach 3 using afterburners, they can't sustain it for long periods, rather short bursts least they drain the fuel tanks or burn out the engines. As for the altitude, at that height most aircraft simply can't operate due to the thin air. (Not bad for a plane designed in the 60s)

The overall attack plan is a coup de main designed to strike hard and fast, knock out important faculties, and possibly force a capitulation.

[Nerotysia]

First off, sorry for the lack of posts, but I've been feeling like shit for the last two days. I'll try to get something up later today or tomorrow (provided the approaching blizzard doesn't kill the power).

As for strategy, the B-70s best defence is its speed (mach 3) and its service ceiling (77,000+ ft). While some fighters can reach mach 3 using afterburners, they can't sustain it for long periods, rather short bursts least they drain the fuel tanks or burn out the engines. As for the altitude, at that height most aircraft simply can't operate due to the thin air. (Not bad for a plane designed in the 60s)

The overall attack plan is a coup de main designed to strike hard and fast, knock out important faculties, and possibly force a capitulation.

Eh, no problem. Speaking of blizzards, you near Philly too?

The B-70s would be severely compromised by SAMs on the ground, that's the reason the question of how many the PROK has is so important. If not we'll have to alter our air strategy considerably and possibly ship in some SAMs ourselves. After all, there's a reason the US shelved the project and the B-70 was never actually produced.

In any case, you're not going to force a capitulation with a single air strike. Especially not when the PROK has the backing of two (maybe three?) committed foreign powers. No, I'd suspect the only way you're taking the north is inch by inch. Same will go for the south, I'd assume. And besides, there aren't too many important facilities that you would know about prior to the mission and be able to strike. And it's even less likely that such a strike would be so devastating as to irreparably destroy the facility.

[Ontorisa]

First off, sorry for the lack of posts, but I've been feeling like shit for the last two days. I'll try to get something up later today or tomorrow (provided the approaching blizzard doesn't kill the power).

As for strategy, the B-70s best defence is its speed (mach 3) and its service ceiling (77,000+ ft). While some fighters can reach mach 3 using afterburners, they can't sustain it for long periods, rather short bursts least they drain the fuel tanks or burn out the engines. As for the altitude, at that height most aircraft simply can't operate due to the thin air. (Not bad for a plane designed in the 60s)

The overall attack plan is a coup de main designed to strike hard and fast, knock out important faculties, and possibly force a capitulation.

Eh, no problem. Speaking of blizzards, you near Philly too?

The B-70s would be severely compromised by SAMs on the ground, that's the reason the question of how many the PROK has is so important. If not we'll have to alter our air strategy considerably and possibly ship in some SAMs ourselves. After all, there's a reason the US shelved the project and the B-70 was never actually produced.

In any case, you're not going to force a capitulation with a single air strike. Especially not when the PROK has the backing of two (maybe three?) committed foreign powers. No, I'd suspect the only way you're taking the north is inch by inch. Same will go for the south, I'd assume. And besides, there aren't too many important facilities that you would know about prior to the mission and be able to strike. And it's even less likely that such a strike would be so devastating as to irreparably destroy the facility.

New Brunswick, Canada here you yanks. Expecting to either lose power or having to get up a 4 something to shovel out my driveway.

PRoK's pretty weak after the July War, and a lot of its military hardware was sold off to try and balance the budget as well as seeing a higher raise in taxes of the normal people. It will be easier to take the PRoK over the RoK, however, on a ground basis it is extremely difficult since the land forces have only seen a decrease in quality, not numbers.

[Nerotysia]

Eh, no problem. Speaking of blizzards, you near Philly too?

The B-70s would be severely compromised by SAMs on the ground, that's the reason the question of how many the PROK has is so important. If not we'll have to alter our air strategy considerably and possibly ship in some SAMs ourselves. After all, there's a reason the US shelved the project and the B-70 was never actually produced.

In any case, you're not going to force a capitulation with a single air strike. Especially not when the PROK has the backing of two (maybe three?) committed foreign powers. No, I'd suspect the only way you're taking the north is inch by inch. Same will go for the south, I'd assume. And besides, there aren't too many important facilities that you would know about prior to the mission and be able to strike. And it's even less likely that such a strike would be so devastating as to irreparably destroy the facility.

New Brunswick, Canada here you yanks. Expecting to either lose power or having to get up a 4 something to shovel out my driveway.

PRoK's pretty weak after the July War, and a lot of its military hardware was sold off to try and balance the budget as well as seeing a higher raise in taxes of the normal people. It will be easier to take the PRoK over the RoK, however, on a ground basis it is extremely difficult since the land forces have only seen a decrease in quality, not numbers.

Eh, stop complaining. You get to be 'Murica's hat. That or you have some really awesome pants.

That's all pretty bad, but I still can't see PROK ever surrendering. I mean, this is an autocratic dictatorial regime, correct? And they got two massive powers to back them.

[Nerotysia]

Also, I really liked your post, Lutvikkia, really really liked it, but I'd highly recommend you didn't use battleships. They're pretty much useless in modern times.

[The Strategic Air Command]

Eh, no problem. Speaking of blizzards, you near Philly too?

The B-70s would be severely compromised by SAMs on the ground, that's the reason the question of how many the PROK has is so important. If not we'll have to alter our air strategy considerably and possibly ship in some SAMs ourselves. After all, there's a reason the US shelved the project and the B-70 was never actually produced.

In any case, you're not going to force a capitulation with a single air strike. Especially not when the PROK has the backing of two (maybe three?) committed foreign powers. No, I'd suspect the only way you're taking the north is inch by inch. Same will go for the south, I'd assume. And besides, there aren't too many important facilities that you would know about prior to the mission and be able to strike. And it's even less likely that such a strike would be so devastating as to irreparably destroy the facility.

No, I'm in New Jersey closer to NYC.

As for the B-70 and SAMs, I read an article claiming that the threat was rather overblown. Mostly that in order to shoot down Gary Powers' U-2, the Soviets fired at lease 14 SA-2s before one got close (taking down several of their interceptors in the process), also keeping in mind that the Soviets knew where the U-2 was flying and it was a sub sonic aircraft. Rather, the B-70 was the victim of politics in that Robert McNamara preferred missiles over bombers (they were "cheaper" in his opinion) also adding that the SR-71 flew at a comparable altitude and speed against later Russian SAMs and was never hit.

I realize that one bomb run a victory does not make, just that SAC takes a "hit them hard and often" approach. Even if we can't destroy something, by damaging it severally enough resources that would otherwise be used at the front now have to be committed to the rear, placing additional strain on the PROK and its allies.

[Ontorisa]

New Brunswick, Canada here you yanks. Expecting to either lose power or having to get up a 4 something to shovel out my driveway.

PRoK's pretty weak after the July War, and a lot of its military hardware was sold off to try and balance the budget as well as seeing a higher raise in taxes of the normal people. It will be easier to take the PRoK over the RoK, however, on a ground basis it is extremely difficult since the land forces have only seen a decrease in quality, not numbers.

Eh, stop complaining. You get to be 'Murica's hat. That or you have some really awesome pants.

That's all pretty bad, but I still can't see PROK ever surrendering. I mean, this is an autocratic dictatorial regime, correct? And they got two massive powers to back them.

The average person in the PRoK would gladly defect to the RoK seeing as the RoK has completely rebuilt itself and as the PRoK has completely screwed itself over. PRoK is basically poor and uses its military to keep everyone in check.

[Nerotysia]

Eh, no problem. Speaking of blizzards, you near Philly too?

The B-70s would be severely compromised by SAMs on the ground, that's the reason the question of how many the PROK has is so important. If not we'll have to alter our air strategy considerably and possibly ship in some SAMs ourselves. After all, there's a reason the US shelved the project and the B-70 was never actually produced.

In any case, you're not going to force a capitulation with a single air strike. Especially not when the PROK has the backing of two (maybe three?) committed foreign powers. No, I'd suspect the only way you're taking the north is inch by inch. Same will go for the south, I'd assume. And besides, there aren't too many important facilities that you would know about prior to the mission and be able to strike. And it's even less likely that such a strike would be so devastating as to irreparably destroy the facility.

No, I'm in New Jersey closer to NYC.

As for the B-70 and SAMs, I read an article claiming that the threat was rather overblown. Mostly that in order to shoot down Gary Powers' U-2, the Soviets fired at lease 14 SA-2s before one got close (taking down several of their interceptors in the process), also keeping in mind that the Soviets knew where the U-2 was flying and it was a sub sonic aircraft. Rather, the B-70 was the victim of politics in that Robert McNamara preferred missiles over bombers (they were "cheaper" in his opinion) also adding that the SR-71 flew at a comparable altitude and speed against later Russian SAMs and was never hit.

I realize that one bomb run a victory does not make, just that SAC takes a "hit them hard and often" approach. Even if we can't destroy something, by damaging it severally enough resources that would otherwise be used at the front now have to be committed to the rear, placing additional strain on the PROK and its allies.

That all may be true, but you gave examples of reconnaissance craft. Not bombers. Even disregarding the weight of weaponry, those bombers have got to slow down and leave the dizzying heights eventually of they want to do their job properly, and that's where the SAMs and/or our fighters would come in.

That's all fine, I was just worried you were expecting some swift victory off the back of a bombing run. Though honestly resources likely will not be a problem - Nerotysia's got plenty of resources to throw around, that's for sure.

[Nerotysia]

Eh, stop complaining. You get to be 'Murica's hat. That or you have some really awesome pants.

That's all pretty bad, but I still can't see PROK ever surrendering. I mean, this is an autocratic dictatorial regime, correct? And they got two massive powers to back them.

The average person in the PRoK would gladly defect to the RoK seeing as the RoK has completely rebuilt itself and as the PRoK has completely screwed itself over. PRoK is basically poor and uses its military to keep everyone in check.

Same was the case in Germany. Still they fought to the Reichstag and even further than that. There's always a core, and people generally don't defect en masse.

[Murovanka]

Same was the case in Germany. Still they fought to the Reichstag and even further than that. There's always a core, and people generally don't defect en masse.

Maybe because the enemy troops at the gates of Berlin were the very feared evil bolshevist-jewish troops of the evil Jewish empire of Soviet Russia? It was no secret that the Slavs and Jews were being massacred in massive numbers, so of course they would prefer to fight and die then to face the wrath of the Soviets. Here, both sides are more or less brothers. Wouldn't be surprised if the population welcomed them with open arms.

[Ontorisa]

Same was the case in Germany. Still they fought to the Reichstag and even further than that. There's always a core, and people generally don't defect en masse.

Maybe because the enemy troops at the gates of Berlin were the very feared evil bolshevist-jewish troops of the evil Jewish empire of Soviet Russia? It was no secret that the Slavs and Jews were being massacred in massive numbers, so of course they would prefer to fight and die then to face the wrath of the Soviets. Here, both sides are more or less brothers. Wouldn't be surprised if the population welcomed them with open arms.

Nailed it bro.

Anyways, I'll try and get more detailed posts up today since I'll be heading home early. Probably. No promises.

[Lutvikkia]

Nerotysia » 26 Jan 2015 19:02

Also, I really liked your post, Lutvikkia, really really liked it, but I'd highly recommend you didn't use battleships. They're pretty much useless in modern times.

THANKS!! I looked over my fleet that I was sending and realized that an old BB was involved so I made it a point to show it leaving port and then getting wounded to go home, Hope I can keep up with you guys....you all post so well.