Pan-Sondrian Conflict (Closed|Planning Thread)

[Yalos]

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It's 2014, and life in Sondria is probably the best it's ever been. The regional economy is flourishing, life-saving medical breakthroughs are being made almost daily, and the whole region is united by a collective sense of optimism and hope. Military force, especially after the appalling events the Jagite War is being increasingly renounced by regional leaders and new convenience technologies are making people's lives better, happier and more fulfilling. The region's poor can eat heartily, the rich have more cash to waste and there is no dream too exotic to achieve. It's a wonderful time to be alive.

For now.

In the dark corners of Hellas, the Great Vakollicci Haven and her allies prepare for war. Slowly amassing vast arsenals of oppression and doom, the Havenic hosts seek to take what is rightfully hers. Sondria. As the fastest growing Sondrian power, The Vakolicci Haven has, without regret, forcibly been folding nations into its imperialist banner, seeking domination and power to an extent never before seen in the region.

And while the Triad looks on, wary, the Haven, with new technologies and a burning passion for dominance, seems ready to plunge the region into her most brutal conflict yet and conflict that, with the fires of war the blood of infinite martyrs, tear Sondria asunder and completely restructure Sondrian politics. For this will truly be a war that will elicit shudders, even a thousand years into the future. May the Gods have mercy on billions of Sondrian souls.

Amen.

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Hey guys. This is the planning thread for our war...so, yeah.

Just post in this thread with whatever ideas or such you want. This is a planning and discussion thread where the alliances, causi belli and other intricacies of the RP will be settled out and debated. Talk here. Just do your talking here, and yeah, let's all have a great time.

[Yalos]

So, first thing's first--we'll need clear and definite alliances.

[District XIV]

I think I'll have a right-wing coup, kick back, and watch everyone slaughter each other because neutrality = gr8

My economy will probably falter, however, because imports may cease due to the war (;-;).

[Yalos]

I think I'll have a right-wing coup, kick back, and watch everyone slaughter each other because neutrality = gr8

My economy will probably falter, however, because imports may cease due to the war (;-;).

Bruh. Plox.

U gotta fite m8.

Also, we should discuss the use of nukes and chemical weapons, as a side.

[Iohann]

So, first thing's first--we'll need clear and definite alliances.

Define this. Some side-swapping and some intrigue makes this kind of thing fun.

[Yalos]

So, first thing's first--we'll need clear and definite alliances.

Define this. Some side-swapping and some intrigue makes this kind of thing fun.

We need to at least know who's starting on which side, pretty much, at least for the beginning.

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

Nice OP.

Well, I think that while the balance of power in Sondria is...well, balanced...I won't be able to drag people in; therefore, some people are going to have to join voluntarily.

Obviously, with more people in, the way in which the Haven works won't be able to carry on; for example, minorities are already moaning about why it's the 'Greater Vakolicci Haven' and I very much doubt you'll want me rping your nations. Which means new name for the collected superstate, and a new account.

[The IASM]

Titianicia and games. I shall be watching this thread for now.

[Victoriala]

I'll have a little bout between telrania or something. Probably with some Legendardisch involvement.

>I'm four countries
>The other three can't make it because they are not actually sondrians

Damn it

[Zammora]

I'll be on the side of the haven. Long live Imperialism

[Legendardisch]

i'm not sure yet, i'd like to be on the bad side, but joining a superstate for it, no way.

[Yalos]

i'm not sure yet, i'd like to be on the bad side, but joining a superstate for it, no way.

You don't have to join Vak. Just sign some kind of treaty with him and do your own thing.

[Quirina]

To all future alliances: Convince me, as I'm quite bored/nothing to think about in dealing with regional politics.

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

To all future alliances: Convince me, as I'm quite bored/nothing to think about in dealing with regional politics.

Aren't you still in the SCP?

[Quirina]

To all future alliances: Convince me, as I'm quite bored/nothing to think about in dealing with regional politics.

Aren't you still in the SCP?

Sovereignty Cooperation Pact or Santiago Anti-Commie Treaty Organization (formerly Santiago Cooperation Pact)?

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

Aren't you still in the SCP?

Sovereignty Cooperation Pact or Santiago Anti-Commie Treaty Organization (formerly Santiago Cooperation Pact)?

Sacto.

[Onekawa-Nukanor]

Much like Yalos, someone convince me why I should side with them on this side of the conflict?

[Greater Liverpool]

What side to pick

[Crontor]

The Imperial Federation is going to sit this one out.

However, that means that the rest of the region should participate. Let's have a more dynamic power struggle, not just the usual Triad domination.

[Erjunhuf]

I'll be in the anti-Haven coalition

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

frequently asked questions

(q: Why should my nation join the Haven?)
(A:) Joining the Haven comes with a lot of benefits that I shall attempt to show to you via the context of this post.
Firstly, however, I would like to make it clear that in joining the Haven, you are not giving up your sovereignty. Your nation will continue to have its own government, military and can even declare war independently of the Haven should it wish. Your own government can be elected or appointed using whatever system you wish: proportional representation, absolute monarchy, largest lego-tower gets the presidency...it's totally up to you.

The Havenic government, such as their is one, is comprised of representatives (known as 'Schkorpallors' after the name of the Haven's unicameral legislative chamber, the Havensschkorpal) which are elected proportionally from your own nations, known for confederal government and sports purposes as Provinces. This Havensschkorpal, as one can expect from a nation comprising many differing cultures, is mainly filled with small parties, and so the only way a government can be formed is often via a coalition of electoral coalitions. The president is the leader of the largest party in the largest coalition of the governing coalition, described as the coalition with the most Schkorpallors. As you can probably imagine, the Havensschkorpal's activities are very slow, and therefor the Haven is severely lacking in confederal laws.
Absolute freedom of movement, free trade and peaceful relationships between Havenic provinces form the backbone of the Haven's laws, with most other decisionas being given to the individual provinces.
(q:) You say I can keep my own military? How does that work?
(A:) The Haven's regular standing military, that which is controlled at all times by the Havenic joint command is known as the Vakolskrtm, or rather 'Vakolicci regulars.' This military does, however, only comprise around 15 % of the Haven's total military although it does lead the way in military technology development Haven-wide. In the event of a war, Provincial militaries are required to join with the Havenic Vakolskrtm to form a united force under the control of the joint command: a body comprised of the leading generals both of the Vakolskrtm and of provincial militaries.

(Q: Will this hurt my economy?)
(A:) No. In fact, it will boost it substancially. One of the Haven's primary beliefs is free trade between all provinces, and so your citizens will gain access to a wide variety of goods from all over the world. As the Haven is located in 4 resource-rich regions, your production lines will be greased by a constantly-flowing stream of natural resources at new low prices.

(Q:) Will my nation have to legalise slavery to join?
(A:) It's a well-known fact that the Haven is accepting of slaver states joining. It was founded by slavers, its oldest provinces trade in slaves, and one of its booming industries is the trade of slaves. However, some of our largest provinces (including all 3 provinces in Velstrania, the Haven's holdings in Varathron) are not slave traders. So, in short, their is no requirement for your nation to legalise slavery.

(Q:) You mentioned sport?
(A:) What can I say; the Haven has strange priorities. Although the Haven is lacking a truly confederal-level police force which is soley publically-funded, Havenssport is a thriving, if corrupt body. The Haven recently performed well at the most recent Olympics, cracking the top 20 in our debut appearance.
The Haven's sporting success is largely due to the interprovincial games which are held every year. This event, which brings in a large amount of revinue to the host province, allows the Haven's sportsmen and women to showcase their abilities in almost 60 separate sports.

(Q:) Yeah...no. I'm not joining. Would the Haven negociate a trade and military alliance with my nation?

(A:) Of course. The Haven is always seeking new partners both for strategic military alliances as well as free trade treaties.

(Q:) Last question. Why are you talking to yourself?)

(A:) I'm not. You just think you are.

If anyone has more questions, I'll be happy to answer.

[Mahdah]

Gonna sit this one out, exploit the effects of this war later.

[Yalos]

Why to not join the Haven:

Freedom from Havenic oppression and tyranny. And because the alternative is fighting the Triad sans Crontor.

[Erjunhuf]

So it seems like (just as a summation for people still on the fence about who to support in the coming conflict, along with an attempt by myself to fully understand what the motivations are for both sides) the two primary coalitions will have the following motivations:

-Haven Side: Overthrow the old order (i.e. the Triad) and establish a hegemonic order/greater power for itself and its allies. Will likely try to attract additional allies by promising them enhanced glory, land, and power within Sondria as well as putting a halt to any future Triad exploitation/domination by crushing them militarily.

-Triad Side: Stop an outside power from establishing any sort of dominance in the Sondrian region. Will likely try to attract additional allies by pointing towards Haven's extraregional primary location as indicative of a colonial power attempting a land/power/influence grab that must be militarily halted in order to preserve Sondria.

This obviously doesn't take into account how the war will begin or what other moves will be made prior to this conflict actually initiating, but does this sound about right?

[Yalos]

So it seems like (just as a summation for people still on the fence about who to support in the coming conflict, along with an attempt by myself to fully understand what the motivations are for both sides) the two primary coalitions will have the following motivations:

-Haven Side: Overthrow the old order (i.e. the Triad) and establish a hegemonic order/greater power for itself and its allies. Will likely try to attract additional allies by promising them enhanced glory, land, and power within Sondria as well as putting a halt to any future Triad exploitation/domination by crushing them militarily.

-Triad Side: Stop an outside power from establishing any sort of dominance in the Sondrian region. Will likely try to attract additional allies by pointing towards Haven's extraregional primary location as indicative of a colonial power attempting a land/power/influence grab that must be militarily halted in order to preserve Sondria.

This obviously doesn't take into account how the war will begin or what other moves will be made prior to this conflict actually initiating, but does this sound about right?

This essentially seems like it. Any objections or such?