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by Jundar al-Mahdi » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:32 pm
by Gallifrey Secundaria » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:06 am
Mesrane wrote:Gallifrey Secundaria wrote:I really doubt you can take on a civilization as advanced as ours, especially with our population. But sure, try
OOC: In what fucked up universe do you live in that nations invade with 300 million men over a homosexuality law? In what universe do nations even have 300 million men?Jute wrote:The "MT" was added later, though.
OOC: So? You honestly don't have an issue with 300 million men and space fleets fighting it out . . . over a homosexuality law?
by Gallifrey Secundaria » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:07 am
Herargon wrote:OFFICIAL POSITION OF THE GOVERNMENT:
The Imperial Government of Herargon,
Hereby declares it position:
That homosexuality is debatable, however not punishable. You are born, grow up and then you encounter your own sexual desires. Some are acceptable, such as heterosexualism and bisexualism; some are certainly bad, such as pedosexualism. Homosexualism is a grey border in this, a known place to mankind. But does that say we should tolerate this fully, or make it punishable? No. Therefore, we declare that homosexualism is not punishable if done privately, but if it is shown in public (that means, having sex with another of the same gender in public, and not promoting homosexualism), you will be punished, according to the ''Public Sexual Propriety Act'', which makes homo-sexual acts in public punishable, but makes private homosexualism tolerable.
IN SHORT: Homosexualism in public is not to be tolerated; in private, that's another matter. Homosexuality in private is tolerated.
Herargon condemns the nations that reasoned they are currently at war with Burlonia because they do not want the law to be passed, because Burlonia is a sovereign country.
We hereby support Burlonia for their war, but not because they want to pass the law; we support Burlonia because they're wrongly and unjust being attacked.
SEALED AND APPROVED BY THE EMPEROR OF THE SENATE AND THE PEOPLE OF HERARGON
by Gallifrey Secundaria » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:09 am
Burleson wrote:Jute wrote:OOC: How the heck is abortion worse than the death penalty?
Other than that, I tend to mostly agree with the position, I guess. Invading will most likely only make things worse.
Abortion kills children inhumanely in the name of inconvenience. The death penalty kills criminals in a relatively humane way.
by Vashta Nerada » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:11 am
by Burleson » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:52 am
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by Dewhurst-Narculis » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:53 am
by Cuatro » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:31 am
by The Nexus of Man » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:44 am
Cuatro wrote:Burleson wrote:If fetuses are less human than babies, does that mean an 8 year old is less human than a 20 year old?
He never said fetuses were less human, he said they were not children, thus the age comparison is not valid (nobody would ask if an orange is less apple than an apple.) A newborn can maintain its biological functions on its own, while the fetus needs the mother to survive. Of course babies don't feed on their own, but they have their own antibodies, fully functional respiratory system, etc., making them fully fledged individuals. I'm playing devil's advocate here though, does Burleson reject all abortions including early embryos?
by Levistavia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:47 am
The Nexus of Man wrote:Cuatro wrote:
He never said fetuses were less human, he said they were not children, thus the age comparison is not valid (nobody would ask if an orange is less apple than an apple.) A newborn can maintain its biological functions on its own, while the fetus needs the mother to survive. Of course babies don't feed on their own, but they have their own antibodies, fully functional respiratory system, etc., making them fully fledged individuals. I'm playing devil's advocate here though, does Burleson reject all abortions including early embryos?
Studies show that fetuses are in fact developing babies.
Shocking!
by Gallifrey Secundaria » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:05 am
by Brellach » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:30 am
by Burleson » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:24 pm
Cuatro wrote:Burleson wrote:If fetuses are less human than babies, does that mean an 8 year old is less human than a 20 year old?
He never said fetuses were less human, he said they were not children, thus the age comparison is not valid (nobody would ask if an orange is less apple than an apple.) A newborn can maintain its biological functions on its own, while the fetus needs the mother to survive. Of course babies don't feed on their own, but they have their own antibodies, fully functional respiratory system, etc., making them fully fledged individuals. I'm playing devil's advocate here though, does Burleson reject all abortions including early embryos?
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by Jute » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:49 pm
Burleson wrote:Cuatro wrote:
He never said fetuses were less human, he said they were not children, thus the age comparison is not valid (nobody would ask if an orange is less apple than an apple.) A newborn can maintain its biological functions on its own, while the fetus needs the mother to survive. Of course babies don't feed on their own, but they have their own antibodies, fully functional respiratory system, etc., making them fully fledged individuals. I'm playing devil's advocate here though, does Burleson reject all abortions including early embryos?
All abortion is illegal in Burleson and anyone that takes part in these activities is tried for infanticide.
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
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by Furry Alairia and Algeria » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:55 pm
Gallifrey Secundaria wrote:Burleson wrote:If fetuses are less human than babies, does that mean an 8 year old is less human than a 20 year old?
In volume, yes. Also, fetuses can't survive outside their mother's body. Therefore, they are but parasites until they grow enough that they can survive outside the womb. As such, the mother has all the right to remove the parasite should she wish to do so.
Levistavia wrote:
So is an egg after fertilization, abortion isn't even cruel - and as for the death penalty being humane, that's not exactly the case, the three drugs used in it aren't very nice and can go terribly wrong - I still agree with it though.
The Nexus of Man wrote:Cuatro wrote:
He never said fetuses were less human, he said they were not children, thus the age comparison is not valid (nobody would ask if an orange is less apple than an apple.) A newborn can maintain its biological functions on its own, while the fetus needs the mother to survive. Of course babies don't feed on their own, but they have their own antibodies, fully functional respiratory system, etc., making them fully fledged individuals. I'm playing devil's advocate here though, does Burleson reject all abortions including early embryos?
Studies show that fetuses are in fact developing babies.
Shocking!
Cuatro wrote:Burleson wrote:If fetuses are less human than babies, does that mean an 8 year old is less human than a 20 year old?
He never said fetuses were less human, he said they were not children, thus the age comparison is not valid (nobody would ask if an orange is less apple than an apple.) A newborn can maintain its biological functions on its own, while the fetus needs the mother to survive. Of course babies don't feed on their own, but they have their own antibodies, fully functional respiratory system, etc., making them fully fledged individuals. I'm playing devil's advocate here though, does Burleson reject all abortions including early embryos?
by Gallifrey Secundaria » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:56 pm
Burleson wrote:Cuatro wrote:
He never said fetuses were less human, he said they were not children, thus the age comparison is not valid (nobody would ask if an orange is less apple than an apple.) A newborn can maintain its biological functions on its own, while the fetus needs the mother to survive. Of course babies don't feed on their own, but they have their own antibodies, fully functional respiratory system, etc., making them fully fledged individuals. I'm playing devil's advocate here though, does Burleson reject all abortions including early embryos?
All abortion is illegal in Burleson and anyone that takes part in these activities is tried for infanticide.
by Burleson » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:59 pm
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by Mesrane » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:15 pm
The Union of Tentacles and Grapes wrote:Mesrane wrote:Accidentally put two of the same one, but that doesn't make the whole "Civil rights violations? Attack!" logic/lack of logic any less ridiculous.
I think I hold the moral high ground here, with the zero blood and lots of lube on my hands. My nation isn't the one literally holding its gay citizens hostage. I think there might be a WA resolution against at least one part of that.
by The Union of Tentacles and Grapes » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:12 pm
1. (1) Genocide shall be defined as any act committed, or measure enacted, with the intent to destroy, in whole or partially, an identifiable group of persons on the basis of belief, ethnicity, nationality, culture, or a perceived innate characteristic, which for the purposes of this resolution shall include sexual orientation.
(2) Acts of genocide include, but are not limited to: killing or inflicting serious harm upon members of the group, creating living conditions for the group which tend to bring about its physical destruction, forcibly removing children from the group, or taking measures to prevent births within the group.
2. Member nations are prohibited from perpetrating acts of genocide, and must take action against non-state groups undertaking such activities whithin their borders.
3. Member nations must provide aid, protection and refuge to victims of genocide to the best of their ability, and must deny such aid to the perpetrators of genocide.
4. Genocide, conspiring to commit genocide, direct and public incitement to genocide, attempting to commit genocide, and complicity in genocide shall be punishable acts in all member states.
5. (1) Nations must facilitate the extradition of those suspected of the crimes specified in section 4 to the appropriate authority should they have escaped outside of the appropriate authority's control, subject to national and international law.
(2) The crimes specified in section 4 may not be considered political crimes for the purposes of preventing extradition proceedings.
6. In consideration of the gravity of the crime of genocide, member nations are strongly urged to apply the harshest penalties under their laws for the punishment of those convicted of genocide, and part of the sentence shall include measures to prevent those found guilty of genocide from repeating such acts.
7. The final goal of action against genocide is to uphold the rights of sapient beings, and actions taken against genocide should be consistent with this higher goal.
by Burleson » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:46 pm
The Union of Tentacles and Grapes wrote:The Union is engaged in this conflict per its duties as a WA member state, under resolution #38, the Convention against genocide. As Burlesonian governmental authority is being used for the express purpose of genocide, that nation is engaged in a crime against sentient beings. We will not stand for this.1. (1) Genocide shall be defined as any act committed, or measure enacted, with the intent to destroy, in whole or partially, an identifiable group of persons on the basis of belief, ethnicity, nationality, culture, or a perceived innate characteristic, which for the purposes of this resolution shall include sexual orientation.
(2) Acts of genocide include, but are not limited to: killing or inflicting serious harm upon members of the group, creating living conditions for the group which tend to bring about its physical destruction, forcibly removing children from the group, or taking measures to prevent births within the group.
2. Member nations are prohibited from perpetrating acts of genocide, and must take action against non-state groups undertaking such activities whithin their borders.
3. Member nations must provide aid, protection and refuge to victims of genocide to the best of their ability, and must deny such aid to the perpetrators of genocide.
4. Genocide, conspiring to commit genocide, direct and public incitement to genocide, attempting to commit genocide, and complicity in genocide shall be punishable acts in all member states.
5. (1) Nations must facilitate the extradition of those suspected of the crimes specified in section 4 to the appropriate authority should they have escaped outside of the appropriate authority's control, subject to national and international law.
(2) The crimes specified in section 4 may not be considered political crimes for the purposes of preventing extradition proceedings.
6. In consideration of the gravity of the crime of genocide, member nations are strongly urged to apply the harshest penalties under their laws for the punishment of those convicted of genocide, and part of the sentence shall include measures to prevent those found guilty of genocide from repeating such acts.
7. The final goal of action against genocide is to uphold the rights of sapient beings, and actions taken against genocide should be consistent with this higher goal.
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by The Nexus of Man » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:52 pm
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:This is for roleplay, not for debating.Gallifrey Secundaria wrote:In volume, yes. Also, fetuses can't survive outside their mother's body. Therefore, they are but parasites until they grow enough that they can survive outside the womb. As such, the mother has all the right to remove the parasite should she wish to do so.Levistavia wrote:
So is an egg after fertilization, abortion isn't even cruel - and as for the death penalty being humane, that's not exactly the case, the three drugs used in it aren't very nice and can go terribly wrong - I still agree with it though.Cuatro wrote:
He never said fetuses were less human, he said they were not children, thus the age comparison is not valid (nobody would ask if an orange is less apple than an apple.) A newborn can maintain its biological functions on its own, while the fetus needs the mother to survive. Of course babies don't feed on their own, but they have their own antibodies, fully functional respiratory system, etc., making them fully fledged individuals. I'm playing devil's advocate here though, does Burleson reject all abortions including early embryos?Dewhurst-Narculis wrote:
Volume wise, yesBurleson wrote:If fetuses are less human than babies, does that mean an 8 year old is less human than a 20 year old?Gallifrey Secundaria wrote:OOC: Fetuses aren't children
by The Union of Tentacles and Grapes » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:59 pm
by Furry Alairia and Algeria » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:04 pm
by The Nexus of Man » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:07 pm
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