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How should we deal with contestants withdrawing?

Poll ended at Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:16 pm

select a wildcard at random from the 1-nomination group
9
43%
select a wildcard from the contestants who did not emerge victorious in their previous matchups.
3
14%
give the opponent of the withdrawingcontestant a bye into the next round
8
38%
do not allow contestants to withdraw
1
5%
 
Total votes : 21

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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:52 pm

I bet you all forgot about this thread, didn't you?

Well, while Valaran was dealing with personal matters, I decided to keep the competition open, and so have refrained from progressing until today.

For today, something has changed. The floodgates have opened: the production line moves swiftly on, a glorious and harmonious creschendo as men, women and children have their opinions heard and their works judged by others. This is what we are here, on this thread for, and it is what will be restarting now.

For today, with Xiscapia V.s. Huerdae I, The Greater Vakolicci Haven, can guarantee to you that business as usual has restarted itself!

((disclaimer: Business as usual did not restart all on its own. Business as usual required some prompting to restart by the Greater Vakolicci Haven.))
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Postby Valaran » Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:29 pm

Just to say, it was entirely my fault, for which I apologise.
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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:18 am

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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Sat Oct 04, 2014 5:31 am

Voc, this is the last call for your rp sample. If you can't provide them to me today (before 00:00 gmt tomorrow), or if someone helpful doesn't provide it to me, I will have to carry on with the competition without you, handing your opponent a bye to the next round.
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Postby Tiami » Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:37 am

The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:Voc, this is the last call for your rp sample. If you can't provide them to me today (before 00:00 gmt tomorrow), or if someone helpful doesn't provide it to me, I will have to carry on with the competition without you, handing your opponent a bye to the next round.

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Postby Dreadful Sagittarius » Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:58 pm

The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:Voc, this is the last call for your rp sample. If you can't provide them to me today (before 00:00 gmt tomorrow), or if someone helpful doesn't provide it to me, I will have to carry on with the competition without you, handing your opponent a bye to the next round.


Onus is on you to ask participants for them. Hell, at this point I'm not even sure half the people listed for the first round know they're in it.
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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:40 pm

Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:Voc, this is the last call for your rp sample. If you can't provide them to me today (before 00:00 gmt tomorrow), or if someone helpful doesn't provide it to me, I will have to carry on with the competition without you, handing your opponent a bye to the next round.


Onus is on you to ask participants for them. Hell, at this point I'm not even sure half the people listed for the first round know they're in it.


Everyone, including Voc, has been asked for an rp sample. Voc multiple times.

I've received one now, so I'm going to set up these 2 matches.
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Postby The Advent-Unity » Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:56 pm

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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:57 pm

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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:41 am

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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:33 pm

2-hour warning on Nerotysia V.s. Kraven and Tuthina V.s. Vocenae...
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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:29 pm

Hello lovely/evil/insane members of the II roleplaying community;

Yet another short pause is going to occur in the proceedings of this illustrious competition. Unlike the most recent short pause, this will differ in 3 ways: it's totally my fault, it will actually be short, and you'll actually have a roll in the reason the short pause is occurring.

As we know, El Cuscatlán withdrew from the II rper of the year competition over the whole dirty business with cirtain members of Sondria and cirtain members of the NS sanctuary community, which will not be discussed any further on this thread. However, Valaran's 2 nominations had slipped my notice, for which I was rather stupid, and it was relatively simple to replace El Cuscatlán.

However, now I am faced with a problem: or rather, 2 similar problems close together. allanea and new belhavia have both decided, for different reasons, to withdraw from this contest.
I have checked the nominations twice, and their are no more 1-nomination candidates who actually hold 2 nominations. Therefore, I have decided to ask you, the people voting in this contest, how I should deal with this issue.

I have placed what I believe to be the most agreeable options on a poll;
(1) A random wildcard from the 1-nomination group. Considering that the minimum number to get a matchup was the enormous figure of 2, people who only got 1 nomination may actually be at an equal or higher level of rp than some of our competetors with more nominations, so giving them a random wildcard could throw another good rper into the mix.
(2) Bring in 2 of the people who did not win their competition.
Face it: some people had pretty hard draws, and lost narrowly; Huerdae and valaran spring to mind (although what I believe is farer has no bearing whatsoever on the random draw programme. Considering that I wrote the random draw programme, I know it's damn difficult to play around with to get a skewed result.)
3. The simplest option is to give the contestants facing the withdrawing contestant a bye to the next round. I'll be honest here, I feel this devalues the other competetors work, but it would make the competition which has been full of delays a bit closer to schedule (although schedule is impossible.)
4. Face it. This competition is not the most involved in the world. I've gone out and looked for rp samples for people with small post counts, who for one reason or another haven't responded to me. It's not difficult. So, the final option is simply to disallow resignations.

Obviously, as I'm posting this, this isn't my decision; it's yours. Go ahead and vote, and I'll happily go with whichever system is winning when the poll closes in 3 days.
Thanks for reading!
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Postby Shazbotdom » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:36 pm

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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:39 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:Option 1


Mind voting on the poll? I don't want to duplicate results so it's better if everyone just votes on the poll.
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Postby The Fedral Union » Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:10 am

How you should deal with them withdrawing? Simple. Deal with it, you cannot FORCE them to be a part of your game. If they say no.. NO MEANS NO.. remember rp etiquette?

All this contest is doing is putting to the FOREFRONT the hypocrisy of the statements "cooperative story telling".. But making peoples styles compete like star wars versus star trek.

I do not on principle agree with it, and people are free to vote who how and to what they like. But remember what you say and make sure your foot isn't in your mouth here.

Because do you have any idea the amount of combined drama this has caused? never mind me though, I take wanting to have fun as the tenant of NS, and I do not like having to DEAL with people coming to me about post rigging in FT and about who's better than who..
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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:35 am

The Fedral Union wrote:How you should deal with them withdrawing? Simple. Deal with it, you cannot FORCE them to be a part of your game. If they say no.. NO MEANS NO.. remember rp etiquette?

All this contest is doing is putting to the FOREFRONT the hypocrisy of the statements "cooperative story telling".. But making peoples styles compete like star wars versus star trek.

I do not on principle agree with it, and people are free to vote who how and to what they like. But remember what you say and make sure your foot isn't in your mouth here.

Because do you have any idea the amount of combined drama this has caused? never mind me though, I take wanting to have fun as the tenant of NS, and I do not like having to DEAL with people coming to me about post rigging in FT and about who's better than who..


Not allowing people to withdraw is an unpopular poll option, and one that I don't support. However, it is an option.
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Postby The Fedral Union » Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:37 am

The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:
The Fedral Union wrote:How you should deal with them withdrawing? Simple. Deal with it, you cannot FORCE them to be a part of your game. If they say no.. NO MEANS NO.. remember rp etiquette?

All this contest is doing is putting to the FOREFRONT the hypocrisy of the statements "cooperative story telling".. But making peoples styles compete like star wars versus star trek.

I do not on principle agree with it, and people are free to vote who how and to what they like. But remember what you say and make sure your foot isn't in your mouth here.

Because do you have any idea the amount of combined drama this has caused? never mind me though, I take wanting to have fun as the tenant of NS, and I do not like having to DEAL with people coming to me about post rigging in FT and about who's better than who..


Not allowing people to withdraw is an unpopular poll option, and one that I don't support. However, it is an option.



It cant be an option because simply put someone can ask a moderator to remove their name from that list.. so the point is moot.

Our nation names are intellectual property, we don't want it mentioned it. IT cannot LEGALLY.. be mentioned.
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Postby Rephesus » Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:38 am

The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:
The Fedral Union wrote:How you should deal with them withdrawing? Simple. Deal with it, you cannot FORCE them to be a part of your game. If they say no.. NO MEANS NO.. remember rp etiquette?

All this contest is doing is putting to the FOREFRONT the hypocrisy of the statements "cooperative story telling".. But making peoples styles compete like star wars versus star trek.

I do not on principle agree with it, and people are free to vote who how and to what they like. But remember what you say and make sure your foot isn't in your mouth here.

Because do you have any idea the amount of combined drama this has caused? never mind me though, I take wanting to have fun as the tenant of NS, and I do not like having to DEAL with people coming to me about post rigging in FT and about who's better than who..


Not allowing people to withdraw is an unpopular poll option, and one that I don't support. However, it is an option.

Forcing people to participate in a contest they have no desire to participate in? I'm pretty sure you actually Can't do that.

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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:47 am

Rephesus wrote:
The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:

Not allowing people to withdraw is an unpopular poll option, and one that I don't support. However, it is an option.

Forcing people to participate in a contest they have no desire to participate in? I'm pretty sure you actually Can't do that.


Technically, they're not doing anything if I'm finding the rp sample. However, I take what you're saying, although I must stress that it's not going to be winning in the poll, so it's a rather moot point.
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Postby The Fedral Union » Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:55 am

The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:
Rephesus wrote:Forcing people to participate in a contest they have no desire to participate in? I'm pretty sure you actually Can't do that.


Technically, they're not doing anything if I'm finding the rp sample. However, I take what you're saying, although I must stress that it's not going to be winning in the poll, so it's a rather moot point.



Moot point...

Well lets put at this way, you've ignored entire sections of FT and other players who are just as valid in existence and talent as the ones you've put up as contestants..

Second you notice only the people who knew those contestants voted for them ..


Third "Winning" doesn't exist, oh it doesn't matter it doesn't matter? yeah just like election campaign adds don't matter when they give influence to certain people and an endorsement to them.

This is not conductive to cooperative rp, and I can see people using their "political capital" to be dicks.

I have seen it happen. I've been here for 11 years, and frankly this shouldn't have even been sticked and should have been taken off site imo. So now we all have to watch as one group with political/ group affiliation becomes lauded and advertized as the BEST OF THE BEST OF THE BEST...

Yeah not a slippery slope at all.

It belong in congress in DC.. not NS.
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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:05 am

Firstly, people get nominated. I didn't choose them. I can link you to the nominations thread if you want (I didn't even nominate a person.)

Also, this has been proved completely false by the most recent matchup, Kraven V.s. Nerotysia. By your logic, Kraven (as a member of Gholgoth) should have easily beaten Nerotysia, who doesn't have a large region behind him.
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Postby Asigna » Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:09 am

You just wait TGV haven... my time will come! :p

Next year rematch.
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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:12 am

Asigna wrote:You just wait TGV haven... my time will come! :p

Next year rematch.


bring it on! :)
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Postby The Order of Takhisis » Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:16 am

I must say, I didnt expect to be voted upon by my peers of the role-play community. That being said, I look forward to the outcome, win or lose!

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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:52 am

The Order of Takhisis wrote:I must say, I didnt expect to be voted upon by my peers of the role-play community. That being said, I look forward to the outcome, win or lose!


It's only supposed to be a light-hearted competition, so win or lose you've still got your name out their.
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