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Bezombia wrote:

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:So does anyone know for certain what the DOS was about past night?

There are four leading series:

1: It was an RPer who wanted to time out the proposal (EXTREMELY UNLIKELY)
2: It was a raider who wanted to make it look like it was an RPer (EXTREMELY UNLIKELY)
3: It was a mod-induced "false flag" to make it look like it was an RPer (EXTREMELY UNLIKELY)
4: It was a butthurt former player or extra-NS troll who decided that now was the best time to make everyone mad. (Likely)

Or, most likely, someone with no connection to NS at all. Speculation's getting us nowhere.

Ecomonically speaking, unless Max can afford a true 'dedicated' server, he's probably hosting this on a webserver, allbeit it a more powerful one

Most webservers are a big cluster of servers operating on the same network hosting any number of sites (could be 5 or it could be thousands - depending),

When someone DoS's one of the sites on the server, think of Denial of Service as a bunch of fat guys trying to use a revolving door, they're junk packets that stall the door(connection) from moving by flooding it, thus preventing you, the normal user from using it, just in this situation the revolving door is the same for NS and any other site on the server, so NS can, but more likely in this scenario is not, the intended target.

The reason the forums remained up the entire time was because they where(to my knowledge) hosted on a different webserver, they lagged because the attack will 'rebound' when the forum server trys to make connections to the main server and vice versa.

-Technical Tiger

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Oh ffs, please don't bring the DOS attack into this discussion.

Hobbesistan wrote:Ecomonically speaking, unless Max can afford a true 'dedicated' server, he's probably hosting this on a webserver, allbeit it a more powerful one

Most webservers are a big cluster of servers operating on the same network hosting any number of sites (could be 5 or it could be thousands - depending),

When someone DoS's one of the sites on the server, think of Denial of Service as a bunch of fat guys trying to use a revolving door, they're junk packets that stall the door(connection) from moving by flooding it, thus preventing you, the normal user from using it, just in this situation the revolving door is the same for NS and any other site on the server, so NS can, but more likely in this scenario is not, the intended target.

The reason the forums remained up the entire time was because they where(to my knowledge) hosted on a different webserver, they lagged because the attack will 'rebound' when the forum server trys to make connections to the main server and vice versa.

-Technical Tiger

Clearly someone doesn't remember the DDOS~Moose.

Bezombia wrote:

Hobbesistan wrote:Ecomonically speaking, unless Max can afford a true 'dedicated' server, he's probably hosting this on a webserver, allbeit it a more powerful one

Most webservers are a big cluster of servers operating on the same network hosting any number of sites (could be 5 or it could be thousands - depending),

When someone DoS's one of the sites on the server, think of Denial of Service as a bunch of fat guys trying to use a revolving door, they're junk packets that stall the door(connection) from moving by flooding it, thus preventing you, the normal user from using it, just in this situation the revolving door is the same for NS and any other site on the server, so NS can, but more likely in this scenario is not, the intended target.

The reason the forums remained up the entire time was because they where(to my knowledge) hosted on a different webserver, they lagged because the attack will 'rebound' when the forum server trys to make connections to the main server and vice versa.

-Technical Tiger

Clearly someone doesn't remember the DDOS~Moose.

I'm just saying its probably more likely that it has nothing at all to do with us, could be moose or not.

I'll flee the thread now before im chased out by a mob of angry RPers

Hobbesistan wrote:

Bezombia wrote:
Clearly someone doesn't remember the DDOS~Moose.

I'm just saying its probably more likely that it has nothing at all to do with us, could be moose or not.

I'll flee the thread now before im chased out by a mob of angry RPers

*pulls to the ground* RARRRRGH! I'M ANGRY!!!!!!

So if the dictatorial moderators have banned the 'It's only politics' flag, what protest flag will you all be using now?

Wind in the Willows wrote:So if the dictatorial moderators have banned the 'It's only politics' flag, what protest flag will you all be using now?

The flag is no longer banned.

Wind in the Willows wrote:So if the dictatorial moderators have banned the 'It's only politics' flag, what protest flag will you all be using now?

Bro you're like thirty five hours late.

Bezombia wrote:

Wind in the Willows wrote:So if the dictatorial moderators have banned the 'It's only politics' flag, what protest flag will you all be using now?

Bro you're like thirty five hours late.

Yeah, because my internet went out last night.

Wind in the Willows wrote:

Bezombia wrote:Bro you're like thirty five hours late.

Yeah, because my internet went out last night.

It was a DoS attack. All other websites worked fine.

Wind in the Willows wrote:

Bezombia wrote:Bro you're like thirty five hours late.

Yeah, because my internet went out last night.

The flags were only banned for like an hour or two. And they weren't unbanned last night, it was the night before.

Jordslag wrote:

Wind in the Willows wrote:
Yeah, because my internet went out last night.

It was a DoS attack. All other websites worked fine.

No, my actual router wasn't connecting for some reason.

Bezombia wrote:

Wind in the Willows wrote:
Yeah, because my internet went out last night.

The flags were only banned for like an hour or two. And they weren't unbanned last night, it was the night before.

Ah well, that's good.

Wind in the Willows wrote:

Jordslag wrote:It was a DoS attack. All other websites worked fine.

No, my actual router wasn't connecting for some reason.

Oh. Geez. Sorry then.

Oh no.... this can't go through, I'm officially through with gameplay, I'm a forum based role-playing nation, this proposal would only be a thorn to my side and all other players less interested in gameplay and more in RP.

Thankfully, it seems set to fail quorum.

Ainin wrote:Thankfully, it seems set to fail quorum.

It'd be incredibly stupid if it did.

Unless Raiders deliberately want more opposition.

I'm surprised the Mods didn't step in. If this actually did pass they'd have a shit hurricane on their hands.

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Having just written a dispatch that documents our plight I do humbly request that if you agree with its sentiment you up-vote it to insure its deceleration top ranks in everyone's dispatch intake. Given that even I as havens delegate had WA TGs on block this gives us another avenue to try and address this issue.

Please again when you are advocating on behalf of this cause remain calm, cogent and respectful and remember its not food if its not happy.

Ainin wrote:Thankfully, it seems set to fail quorum.

Thankfully yes, but the underlying issue at hand here remains unsolved.

So, do we have an update on how the discussions are going?

The lack of a comprehensive and organized response by any of the major groups involved -- the moderators, the mentors, the admins, [violet], Max -- and the responses of many individuals makes me concerned that the higher-ups will simply wait for the SC proposal to be defeated, and then point at that as evidence that the system works, ignoring the sheer amount of distress/emotion roiling the community and the headaches that this has caused everyone. In addition, the fact that this issue has been around for years, and pops up regularly, is indicative that something must change, to avoid more anger, outrage, and headaches overall. The status quo simply does not work, for that reason alone.

So we've seen individuals respond -- vague promises on behalf of the mentors (which I appreciate, and I love them, but their promises are vague), individual moderators responding with conflicting and personal opinions (which only adds to the confusion, especially as Mall shows no sign of remorse or guilt), and silence from the higher-ups. Lack of transparency will only lead to confusion down the road when -- or if -- any changes are announced or implemented, and if the situation is not resolved here and now, that same lack of transparency will only rear its ugly head in the next argument, six months down the line.

Tergnitz wrote:

Ainin wrote:Thankfully, it seems set to fail quorum.

Thankfully yes, but the underlying issue at hand here remains unsolved.

I concur.

Yasuragi wrote:So, do we have an update on how the discussions are going?

The lack of a comprehensive and organized response by any of the major groups involved -- the moderators, the mentors, the admins, [violet], Max -- and the responses of many individuals makes me concerned that the higher-ups will simply wait for the SC proposal to be defeated, and then point at that as evidence that the system works, ignoring the sheer amount of distress/emotion roiling the community and the headaches that this has caused everyone. In addition, the fact that this issue has been around for years, and pops up regularly, is indicative that something must change, to avoid more anger, outrage, and headaches overall. The status quo simply does not work, for that reason alone.

So we've seen individuals respond -- vague promises on behalf of the mentors (which I appreciate, and I love them, but their promises are vague), individual moderators responding with conflicting and personal opinions (which only adds to the confusion, especially as Mall shows no sign of remorse or guilt), and silence from the higher-ups. Lack of transparency will only lead to confusion down the road when -- or if -- any changes are announced or implemented, and if the situation is not resolved here and now, that same lack of transparency will only rear its ugly head in the next argument, six months down the line.

They've already done that. Literally none of the mods except Scolo have even mentioned anything about this once it blew up, and Scolo didn't even try to actually resolve the issue.