Internal Troubles- Fascists Rising (CLOSED, OOC)

[Serderistan]

No problem at all. Before next tuesday, should we finish up the action in the mill?

I'm in favor of that. We can get one big thing out of the way.

[San Mazer]

Seems good. Would it be safe to assume in my next post that the Strike Team have begun entering the huts? Just so I can blow the joint and help wrap this up!

[Capisaria]

So I kinda feel like our relationship prior to this whole thing being sort of like China and the US, economci partners but not really supportive of the other's system. I'm just trying to figure out the extent and mission of my involvement in your affairs.

[Cyldavia]

Seems good. Would it be safe to assume in my next post that the Strike Team have begun entering the huts? Just so I can blow the joint and help wrap this up!

Enter the huts? There's not much need for that. They're not that stable- blast em apart and those nearby will be shredded by the shockwave, and more will be wounded by flying debris. Thing is... why would they enter the ammo huts?

So I kinda feel like our relationship prior to this whole thing being sort of like China and the US, economci partners but not really supportive of the other's system. I'm just trying to figure out the extent and mission of my involvement in your affairs.

Yup, that's correct. We're still pretty suspicious of you guys which was reduced slightly by the aircraft bombings. Its up to you as to how involved you get.

[Alderann]

I will post a better one tomorrow just a little out of it right now with the surgery

[Cyldavia]

Alderann, could you specify exactly what type of missile you've launched? I'm not sure what you've meant. Was the launch supposed to be a warning only? Did the missile self-destruct in the sky? Its rather unclear IMO.

[San Mazer]

Nah, I just thought they'd go inside and use the windows to fire out.

[Alderann]

It was just a ICBM and it was self destructed meant to be a warning

[Raltirian Denethier]

You might want to rethink that warning shot, Alderann. Ballistic missiles are most often nuclear, and anyone who sees one coming assumes the worst. The fact that he doesn't know who fired it would be the only thing stopping an immediate strategic retaliation. Aside from that, remember that detonating a nuclear warhead at high altitude will result in an EMP over a large area. That will piss off a lot of people. You might not have considered these ramifications, so I figured I'd let you know.

[Alderann]

The missile was not nuclear, it was conventional ballistic missiles are most often fitted for nuclear but there is also conventional, chemical and biological variations

[Raltirian Denethier]

The missile was not nuclear, it was conventional ballistic missiles are most often fitted for nuclear but there is also conventional, chemical and biological variations

OK then. In that case, they wouldn't know who to retaliate against. However, keep in mind that ballistic missiles are most cost effective when nuclear, and a prudent leader has to consider a ballistic strike to be nuclear, anticipating a worst case scenario. Be wary of that fact in the future, for your own benefit.

[Alderann]

Thank you I will buy I'm trying to be a major player in this and escalating it is my plan

[The JVP]

Sooooo sorry, I was caught up in SLC for PBL that I forgot all about this. So sorry... But I did take second in my event, so heading to Nationals.

[Cyldavia]

You might want to rethink that warning shot, Alderann. Ballistic missiles are most often nuclear, and anyone who sees one coming assumes the worst. The fact that he doesn't know who fired it would be the only thing stopping an immediate strategic retaliation. Aside from that, remember that detonating a nuclear warhead at high altitude will result in an EMP over a large area. That will piss off a lot of people. You might not have considered these ramifications, so I figured I'd let you know.

Ah thanks, RD. Good info there, I'll draw from it.

Sooooo sorry, I was caught up in SLC for PBL that I forgot all about this. So sorry... But I did take second in my event, so heading to Nationals.

No problem, but jump in quick!

Edit: Also, RD, the Hermes bomber and the pilots are both registered in the Cyldavian Air Force. In case you did ask for identification, you'd find nothing wrong. Details of the bomber: http://z8.invisionfree.invalid/Crookfur_Arms/index.php?showtopic=70

[Neu Engollon]

The missile was not nuclear, it was conventional ballistic missiles are most often fitted for nuclear but there is also conventional, chemical and biological variations

OK then. In that case, they wouldn't know who to retaliate against. However, keep in mind that ballistic missiles are most cost effective when nuclear, and a prudent leader has to consider a ballistic strike to be nuclear, anticipating a worst case scenario. Be wary of that fact in the future, for your own benefit.

Um...Perhaps it was a cruise missile? Which are launched from subs, and they definitely can have a range of more than 325 miles...and can be and often are conventional. The AGM-158 JASSM-ER has a 1000km range. The Babur a 700km range. Taurus KEPD 350 and the Storm Shadow are just about at that possible range from where the sub is, 325 miles out.

[Raltirian Denethier]

OK then. In that case, they wouldn't know who to retaliate against. However, keep in mind that ballistic missiles are most cost effective when nuclear, and a prudent leader has to consider a ballistic strike to be nuclear, anticipating a worst case scenario. Be wary of that fact in the future, for your own benefit.

Um...Perhaps it was a cruise missile? Which are launched from subs, and they definitely can have a range of more than 325 miles...and can be and often are conventional. The AGM-158 JASSM-ER has a 1000km range. The Babur a 700km range. Taurus KEPD 350 and the Storm Shadow are just about at that possible range from where the sub is, 325 miles out.

I assumed so to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he said it was an SLBM.

[Cyldavia]

Serder, I don't think you'll have time to post again. Should I wrap things up in the next post? You won't lose any troops, and the mill will fall. Would you like us to pause the RP for you?

[Serderistan]

Serder, I don't think you'll have time to post again. Should I wrap things up in the next post? You won't lose any troops, and the mill will fall. Would you like us to pause the RP for you?

I'd say that it would probably be a good idea to try and wrap things up. As for pausing the RP, I'd like that...though I'd say that it's up to the other players as well.

[Cyldavia]

Alderann, regarding your last post:

Please edit it (retcon, however its called). The war won't start yet. Additionally, please RP your carrier moving toward Cyldavia first. 80 miles is far too close, and RD would definitely have attacked you by the time you got within striking range of his craft. Listen, please don't start any fighting yet- there is still a lot to be organized before the civil war starts.

We need to wrap up the action at the mill; we need to confirm troop deployments and movements; I need to fix the neighbours responses and figure out how to make Kûrvi-Tasch and the military to secede from the rest. Only then will the action start. Keep it to small scale naval skirmishes if needed. No rush, especially with Serder going off for two weeks.

[Cyldavia]

And I confirm that Murovanka and Airstrip 3 are all mine.

Anyhow, the purpose of the Murovankan military paranoia is to spark some small skirmishes. (I intentionally made the whole alert level thing as ridiculous as possible.)

San Mazer and RD, would you mind, maybe, protesting against or even ignoring the message? (similar to the China/Japan Aerospace Identification Zone or however its called, with just a bit more action.)

Once again, there will be some time until the actual war. Alderann, just like in real life- it does take time for a war to develop and there's lots more to it than simple techno-fighting stuff. I'm still open to suggestions, though.

[San Mazer]

Yeah, sure. I'll add that to my next post, after your conclusion to the raid?

Speaking of the aftermath, would it make sense for my marines to turn up at the end and clean things up? Y'know, evacuate casualties, recover the bodies and maybe drop in some reinforcements?

[Cyldavia]

Yeah, sure. I'll add that to my next post, after your conclusion to the raid?

Speaking of the aftermath, would it make sense for my marines to turn up at the end and clean things up? Y'know, evacuate casualties, recover the bodies and maybe drop in some reinforcements?

Yes, that's a great idea. After its over, there's no need to be quiet.

Sent to me from Alderann by TG: "I know about war please don't insult me with suggesting I don't, I have been deployed several times I know what it's like. I don't understand you already have it pre determined how this is going to play out but shouldn't the situation be determined how the nations respond not how you want this to happen"

((Just posting for everyone to see, as this IS the OOC thread))

Alderann, I'm not saying that you don't know how to RP war. I'm sure you do, and I'm sure you're better than me at that. What I'm saying is that you've misunderstood the situation a bit. You've declared war- but you haven't stated your aim yet (do you want to liberate Cyldavia, place Kurvi-Tasch as president/head of state?). Cyldavians will welcome neither San Mazer, Serderistani, RD or Alderann troops on their soil. I'm simply saying that you're moving too fast. There is a lot behind a simple war. I'll write more later as I'm in a hurry to school.

[Alderann]

This is how it will be, I sent you a TG so me and you could talk offline and not in the thread.

[Cyldavia]

This is how it will be, I sent you a TG so me and you could talk offline and not in the thread.

*Got another break*

The point of the OOC thread is to discuss OOC things. Why not post it here for everyone to see, so we can get everyone's opinion on this? Look, from now on, if there are any issues or suggestions which might impact others, please put it on the OOC thread. We deal with them together, is that fair enough to ask?

I promise that once I get home, I'll write a coupla paragraphs as my reply.

[Cyldavia]

Sent to me from Alderann by TG: "I know about war please don't insult me with suggesting I don't, I have been deployed several times I know what it's like. I don't understand you already have it pre determined how this is going to play out but shouldn't the situation be determined how the nations respond not how you want this to happen"

Alright. Firstly, I see that you've removed the post, thank you for cooperating.

To address your points. I'm sorry if I sound(ed) harsh, but I do need to get my message across. I didn't mean to insult you with this: (if thats what it is that disturbed you)

just like in real life- it does take time for a war to develop and there's lots more to it than simple techno-fighting stuff. I'm still open to suggestions, though.

An experienced RP'er, Mokastana I think, told me once that there were two types of II people here: Those who write in a detailed manner of their military technology, Clancy-style, and those who write stories (people's decision making, emotions, conflicts etc.). While I tend to mix both together, I really do prefer story-writing as I feel that the other lacks depth. The first type is suitable for the right situations. And, as it turns out to be, this RP is about story-writing and not getting straight to war. I'm sorry if it doesn't fit your style, but. I think I made it pretty clear in the OP.

In fact, I initially hoped to avoid war altogether. I'm just pointing out that right from the beginning, you wanted to send a fleet to invade Cyldavia and it looks as though you don't seem to want to change your mind. Accordingly- I am willing to adapt to your posts to have a civil war. Now, if you've read my posts, you will realize that the CFO/NPC fascists that you're supporting wish to gain power legally and legitimately by winning the elections. And not, I repeat not by acquiring power by brute force (although force was included to some degree). These are not left-wing Marxists. Have you studied Hitlers' rise to power? Yes, that was initially what I was planning. I believe that I've told you this the last time you tried to send a naval force. To impose the military on the country was to be the last resort, and I'm sure I've stated so before.

"I don't understand you already have it pre determined how this is going to play out but shouldn't the situation be determined how the nations respond not how you want this to happen"

Okay, so I'm being unfair and selfish for planning everything out already with no consideration to anyone else involved. Yes, I admit that this is possibly what I've been doing. I've seen other OP's do it before (it was a civil war RP, and the OP seemed to not have read any of our posts despite urging us constantly to post quickly. Mizrad and I, as belligerents in the RP supporting opposing factions, had just begun the first skirmishes and suddenly a truce was declared.) Of course, this is unfavorable; after repeated requests which reached deaf ears we quit. On the other hand, the OP does need to keep a close eye on where the RP is going, and when necessary steer the others in the right direction. Haven't you seen so many RP's which had dozens of players all fighting each other in one great chaos, without any coordination at all? It is not simple for the OP in striking the balance between when to say "I don't want that- here, I've already got it all planned out" and "do whatever the hell you like" to the others. My outlook on the different scenarios for the end result of this whole saga are, yes, quite limited. For one, I don't want Valmont to be nuked to the ground. I also don't want it to become a colony of Alderann. Or Raltirian Denethier for that matter. Or San Mazer. You get the point. But this is why we have an OOC thread and a rather crappy TG system. I said before, I repeat again; If you have suggestions (or complaints!!), please inform me via the OOC thread or by TG San Mazer, as an example, has TG'ed me several times regarding his part in the RP- the excellent ideas of the bombing of his troop ships, the engagement of our Special Forces and the upcoming CQC are all his. He’s been very helpful throughout this period, and maybe just a bit too willing to follow my suggestions .

Anyway, I'd like to use this opportunity to reiterate my chant that I'm absolutely open for suggestions and I'm very eager to hear any complaints (so I can construct argument-essays like this to rebut your claims or, if I'm wrong, write them anyways while saying that you're right). Only that way I can improve. This shall not be my last RP.

I'd like to make one more request to you, Alderann. You know, in the OP I've laid down pretty tight rules, but as time passed I've been quite lax on them because, for one, it is extremely difficult to cope with 'em (particularly the "post-within-3-days" rule which Neu Engollon pointed out to me, and rightly so). But one thing I'd like to see in future is an improvement in your overall grammar and punctuation. You have stated many times that you're in the military (US, I assume, considering your overseas deployment) which means that you are indeed at least 17 years old (I don't think the US employs anyone under that age, as that would certainly provoke protests at the Obama's door). My point is, your overall grammar and punctuation (and at times, spelling) is rather disappointing, although you have improved in extending the size of your posts. To prevent any future misunderstandings and conflict, I urge you to maybe put a bit more effort into writing proper sentences and continue to improve on the size and quality of your posts. To be brutally honest, this was what caused me to hesitate when you asked me how you could be a bigger player in this RP.

Now, I’m afraid I once again am talking in a far too unfriendly manner. Alderann, your progress is excellent; there’s no doubt about that. Your willingness to cooperate on many occasions, quite often against your wishes, has been a great help. On another note, I hope that you’re fine with me posting your TG on here, especially since I just realized I never actually acquired your permission to do so. I feel that this impacts and will impact all of us and that it’s simply vital for me to bring up your question to the rest of us.

*Achtung- Irrelevant! *

So, I’ve reached the end of writing another essay. Thanks for taking the time to read through all this- and if anyone did, please comment on what I can improve. I’ve figured out a long time ago that NS is really helping me practice my english writing skills, which definitely contributed to my excellent grades for my history, english and geography assessments (you guessed right- I am probably many years younger than any of you). My english teacher has pointed out that I like to ramble on, and I’m afraid I’ve done that here too. I also doubt the structuring of this piece. Nevertheless, thanks for bearing with me!

*check*- ~1.1k words

*re-read for spelling mistakes so as not to be caught out for critisizing Alderanns english*

*spots repeated errors- ‘acquired’ spelt wrong. Now I’ve got it.*

Edit: Also, RD, just wondering where you are. I could technically go ahead with the next post, but I'd like to wait for yours first.