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[Lesser Asbekistan]

IC THREAD

Rough ORBAT:
Lesser Asbekistan:
35,000-70,000 Guerrillas (under Hobo command)
30,000 Armed Soldiers (OT)
40,000 Unarmed, trained, soldiers (OT)
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Asbekistan
30,000-50,000 Veterans (New Lesic)
100,000 Soldiers (In transit to New Lesic)
~99,000 Soldiers (Guata)
40,000 Soldiers (Saint John Harbour)
15,000 Soldiers (In transit to Saint John Harbour)
60,000 Untrained Soldiers (Bandera)

OT = Out of theatre

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Participants:
Asbekistan (A)
Lesser Asbekistan (LA)
Martilia (LA)
Hobbiest Republic (LA)
Allanea (LA)
Tropicarno (A)

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Abstract Update:
Economy crashed, anarchists took over majority of the country. Hobbiest Republic propped up the self-proclaimed principality of Lesser Asbekistan and wrestled, the now derelict, New Lesic from the anarchists in exchange for Saint John Harbour a battle which was rapidly turning against the anarchists. The anarchists declare themselves a soviet community. The soviets acquire tanks and other advanced weaponry from Tropicarno. Lesser Asbekistan's intelligence network found suspicious reports, and rather luckily, was able to obtain tanks from Hobbiest Republic. After the socialists trained their tankers they immediately launched an assault on New Lesic and northern Lesser Asbekistan. Martilia and Tropicarno, fellow communists, joined Asbekistan. Martilia betrayed Asbekistan and joined Lesser Asbekistan. Lesser Asbekistan was moved to an area near Hobbiest Republic. The Soviets capture all of greater Asbekistan except New Lesic. Fighting between Hobo, Martilian and Asbekistani soldiers continues.

[Hobbiest Republic]

Current Deployment
Asbekistan
35-70,000 Foreign Legionaires in former Lesser Asbekistan
25,000 Foreign Legionaires near New Lesic
100,000~ Refugees from Guata

New Lesic
2,000 HRAF(Supporting Martilian advances)
90 LY909'Sparrowhawk' fighters
35 F15L
1st,2nd, and elements of the 5th HNF

Hobbiest Losses so far
Killed
9,506

Wounded
1,140

Captured
240

Hobbiest participation in the war against the Asbeks is on the wane, after the refugees are completely evacuated the 1st and 2nd HNF fleets are expected to withdraw. The remaining official forces will be small ships, 3 large transports, and one Amphibious assault ship carrying a small detachment of fighters. While publicly there to support the Martilian military mission, their hidden agenda is to repatriate guerrillas and find General Valkyrie before Asbekistan is nuked into the ground.

[Martilia]

Soviet Martilian ORBAT

• Army
  
  • 67th Soviet Army
    
    • 5 Infantry Divisions (20,000 troops each)
    • 2 Mixed Divisions (with troops, armor, artillery and other attached brigades)
    • 3 Armored Divisions (with (with troops, artillery and other attached brigades)
• Navy
  
  • 10th Soviet Fleet
    
    • 1 command ship
    • 3 helicopter carriers
    • 5 aircraft carriers
    • 28 missile cruisers
    • 52 destroyers
    • 15 landing ships
  • 17th Soviet Fleet
    
    • 1 command ship
    • 2 helicopter carriers
    • 5 aircraft carriers
    • 25 missile cruisers
    • 47 destroyers
    • 10 landing ships
• Air Force
  
  • 10 Carrier Air Groups (90 aircraft each)
  • 1 Air Army (2 Fighter Divisions, 1 Bombing Division, 2 Transport Divisions)

Casualties and losses

• Troops and personnel: 3,962 (killed), 1,954 (wounded)
• Vehicles: 61
• Ships: 0
• Aircraft: 37

[Lesser Asbekistan]

Do we need an updated map? (Perhaps one specifically for New Lesic, like I and Hobo did for Saint John Harbour?)

There are no tanks inside of New Lesic at the moment, my military is still spooked of foriegn air dominance. I'll reply when I get the chance, have a mortgage test coming up so I'll be pretty busy until the 11th.

[Hobbiest Republic]

With so many carriers on the field, perhaps one of the anarchists could witness an air raid where the sky is blotted out by the number of planes in it? I'm just brainstorming here. An updated map couldn't hurt, as far as the wall goes, there was about 50-100m between the wall and the first buildings in the city, in this area is where the second line of defense was established when the wall fell. My posts are going to be getting a bit shorter to reflect the lowered involvement in the conflict.

[Martilia]

With so many carriers on the field, perhaps one of the anarchists could witness an air raid where the sky is blotted out by the number of planes in it? I'm just brainstorming here. An updated map couldn't hurt, as far as the wall goes, there was about 50-100m between the wall and the first buildings in the city, in this area is where the second line of defense was established when the wall fell. My posts are going to be getting a bit shorter to reflect the lowered involvement in the conflict.

Well, if you mean by anarchists, you mean by us (although we are Communists), I could but I am still quite having problems with his AA in the area. I want to minimize casualties as long as possible, not until the Air Army arrives to support us.

[Hobbiest Republic]

You have 10 Aircraft Carrier groups? that's like 900+ fighter/bombers
I can't get my aircraft involved Our air force is in shambles from the civil war. It's something I'm trying to get resolved. It has affected my performance abroad if you couldn't tell. And since this is MT without any fantasy elements the largest strength of my military is kept home. The Allied nations against the Asbekistani anarchists. That was my preferred imagery, unless the slavers got an air force while I wasn't looking.

[Martilia]

You have 10 Aircraft Carrier groups? that's like 900+ fighter/bombers
I can't get my aircraft involved Our air force is in shambles from the civil war. It's something I'm trying to get resolved. It has affected my performance abroad if you couldn't tell. And since this is MT without any fantasy elements the largest strength of my military is kept home. The Allied nations against the Asbekistani anarchists. That was my preferred imagery, unless the slavers got an air force while I wasn't looking.

Yes, 900+ fighter-bombers to be exact, and I cant afford to lose a lot of it from AA gunfire in the forest.

[Hobbiest Republic]

also Asbekistan,
"The two hundred thousand tanks met with a meat-wall of sixty thousand troops"

Whose tanks are those? I was talking with Martilia earlier, and they said they only landed 200 tanks :S , I for one don't even have the personnel to man the tanks. Much less claim that my country has that many.

[Lesser Asbekistan]

Oh sorry, I meant troops, sorry I tend to place the wrong words xP

[Lesser Asbekistan]

If Tropicarno would respond I might be able to get aircraft, but my AA system is pretty effective Probably going to transfer some of my wolfpacks to the front next round.

[Lesser Asbekistan]

Forewarning: fixed military installations, air defense positions

Has you have no eyes, and satellite is not good enough, at Saint John Harbour (and some at Guata) your strike their on those two types of targets will be near nil. Guata will likely only lose some of its fortified bunkers, as even though that would be where you'd have reliable information you are not currently in contact with that group of soldiers.

[Lesser Asbekistan]

About the tanks, I don't think Santos would leave them behind to be destroyed D:, it's okay if you swap them out for Hobo tanks but within the RP is uncharacteristic for him to just to leave them (I will be replying to them, since I assume they will continue to exist under one nationality or the other)

[Hobbiest Republic]

Yeah, might as well.

[Lesser Asbekistan]

Also, Allanea I'm going to need you to adjust damages if this is pertinent to your design, NSDraftrooms I believe (or #d as they call it)

"And yes, I took a look at RCS. This plane is over 4 times heavier than B-2 so it's expectable to have greater RCS; but variable geometry wings, forward swept to add, plus canards, will put it up pretty high.
Small infrared signature is only possible with turbofans, preferably medium-bypass. Somewhat with turbojets. But not with thermal expansion jets: they rely entirely on heat of their exhaust to produce thrust. No cooling ducts can help.

Really I don't understand why bother with stealth here at all in the age of counter-stealth warfare, where everything is designed to detect far stealthier F-22-like planes, and anything like this will be detected anyway by one of the means alternate to X-band radars."

Taken from: http://s4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/ar/t1748.htm

[The Ctan]

Small infrared signature is only possible with turbofans, preferably medium-bypass. Somewhat with turbojets. But not with thermal expansion jets: they rely entirely on heat of their exhaust to produce thrust. No cooling ducts can help.

As RPed by me, it has a massive thermal exhaust. A massive uber-fuck-off ludicrous one.

Really I don't understand why bother with stealth here at all in the age of counter-stealth warfare,

Why indeed? Like the above, it's an afterthought. Neither I nor Allanea have seriously RPed their stealth as being worth much. I at least use the plane not because it's a stealth bomber, or it as useful because it functions as an extreme-range standoff bomber. It flies to within range of the target, fires cruise missiles (or occasionally other payload) and fucks off. I for one, use it for the engines, suited for operating on the scale of the NS world in a way that conventional planes are not. A map is forthcoming.

[The Ctan]

The function of the Corona Bomber:



Right, this is from the North Pony Lands map at last update.

Say that President Kazansky wants to bomb Lesser Asbekistan. He sends a bomber to that red dot there and it deploys a LY589 Hellion or something similar, and it can hit any part of the nation (if the missile is intercepted). It really doesn't matter what kind of bomber it is, whether it's stealthy, or so on, for any practical reasons, because it's so very unlikely that your SAM would actually be able to hit anything at that range. As I said in TG, the only differences between this, in application, and a fleet of B-52s, except in that the Corona has the ability to go anywhere in the world without refueling, which is its asset.

I for one am quite happy to RP as if it has *no* stealth (indeed my present use of the bomber is leading up to an indigenous redesign of the same concept as the Type 1024 bomber, which will certainly not have such unnecessary features), because I'm going to be firing AGM-86B & AGM-129 ACMs (you may rename at leisure if it suits your verisimilitude) at you. And functionally, the difference between how I plan to use them and a B52 dropping the same is -nil-, except the range and speed that the bomber's travelled. It's not the -bomber- that is the threat to your nation, it is the missile.

[Lesser Asbekistan]

Small infrared signature is only possible with turbofans, preferably medium-bypass. Somewhat with turbojets. But not with thermal expansion jets: they rely entirely on heat of their exhaust to produce thrust. No cooling ducts can help.

As RPed by me, it has a massive thermal exhaust. A massive uber-fuck-off ludicrous one.

Really I don't understand why bother with stealth here at all in the age of counter-stealth warfare,

Why indeed? Like the above, it's an afterthought. Neither I nor Allanea have seriously RPed their stealth as being worth much. I at least use the plane not because it's a stealth bomber, or it as useful because it functions as an extreme-range standoff bomber. It flies to within range of the target, fires cruise missiles (or occasionally other payload) and fucks off. I for one, use it for the engines, suited for operating on the scale of the NS world in a way that conventional planes are not. A map is forthcoming.

He has. You can read his latest post (I believe it's in the first sentence or two).

As I've said before, if you don't mind firing from that distance it will reduce accuracy.

[Hobbiest Republic]

Does the Convoy have any protective armor, aka tanks? ooh, and they'll be ever so delighted to see such a small defensive contingency. ( the convoy trying to move on while the bulk of the unit holds off attackers). They'll probably press the attack while they have the advantage. I'll work up a post on it in a bit.

[Lesser Asbekistan]

The convoy trucks themselves don't have much armour, but remember, if you blow them up you don't get the supplies. And you have to worry about your flanks now as well

[Hobbiest Republic]

true, the tanks were more for intimidation anyway, the numbers will sort themselves out. I'm trying to decide if the two battalions that attacked first will return to base as ordered or strike again after their successful raid.

[Lesser Asbekistan]

Well you'd have to consider if they have communication equipment, if not they could easily get lost and no longer be a fighting unit so it'd be better to have them manuever back to base but if you have communication then you should be able to.

[Lubyak]

As I've said before, if you don't mind firing from that distance it will reduce accuracy.

Not really.

The missile is not guided by the bomber. It's guided by itself. You could launch the missile a hundred kilometers away or three thousand and there will be no change in accuracy. It'll still look for what its been told to hit and do its best to hit it.

[Lesser Asbekistan]

As I've said before, if you don't mind firing from that distance it will reduce accuracy.

Not really.

The missile is not guided by the bomber. It's guided by itself. You could launch the missile a hundred kilometers away or three thousand and there will be no change in accuracy. It'll still look for what its been told to hit and do its best to hit it.

The input information isn't accurate, the only unit in the area is Hobo-led guerrillas and they have no way to relay that info (to my knowledge) as well, they have no clear view into the actual city since it is now 'effectively' (the missiles have blown a few wholes) walled. It's an empty city, so only certain factories have been retooled as well as only certain apartments are occupied. Without information on which ones are and are not (and now that they knocked out the electricity they can't tell by watt usage) billeted.

[Martilia]

Not really.

The missile is not guided by the bomber. It's guided by itself. You could launch the missile a hundred kilometers away or three thousand and there will be no change in accuracy. It'll still look for what its been told to hit and do its best to hit it.

The input information isn't accurate, the only unit in the area is Hobo-led guerrillas and they have no way to relay that info (to my knowledge) as well, they have no clear view into the actual city since it is now 'effectively' (the missiles have blown a few wholes) walled. It's an empty city, so only certain factories have been retooled as well as only certain apartments are occupied. Without information on which ones are and are not (and now that they knocked out the electricity they can't tell by watt usage) billeted.

I think satellites could be used to target the suspected factories, but the reliance on satellites would be hard as it is not confirmed whether or not those factories are being used or not? I don't know, that's my assessment. Correct me if I am wrong.