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[Roski]

@Draica: Normally. You place the agents where you want to place them.

But worst tendency I encountered on II is that some nations are just magically resistant to corruption, and every intelligence officer attempting to recruit a person will always fail. Some RPers have tendency to idealize people in their nations, and assume that nobody will be willing to betray them for some personal gain...

One tendency I've seen on II is that a lot of right wing nations these days operate by a specific formula:

1. The right wingers are perfect godlike beings. Ubermensch. They are blameless and sinless. Nothing bad could be said about them. They are treated like they are fulfilling the second coming of Jesus Christ.

2. Their opponents are corrupt (left wing, of course) politicians who care more about themselves than the people. They are guilty of every crime imaginable and run their countries like cariactures of the Soviet Union and other such states.

3. The right wingers are magically able to overtake an entire country without any real, meaningful resistance. A small band of rebels, a la the Wolverines in Red Dawn, are able to assault a legislative building without any losses and wipe out plenty of politicians in one full sweep.

4. Everyone wildly supports the revolutionaries and, subsequently, their policies. Even when they are dictatorial themselves, purging countries of leftists, homosexuals, etc, they are still supported. There is literally no one who suggests that things should change. The population is magically firmly in support of the new government.

I could go on, but I think you of all people have seen all the threads of this nature on the forums.

The last one, number 4, can happen, and usually does happen (USSR, United States, France, etc etc). What matters more there is why exactly there is a revolution.

[Shedalonia]

I've got a question

A Fascist group have taken control of my nation. Should I change the official name from the people's republic to something else?

"People's Republic" typically indicates a 'communist' dictatorship. However, its up to your nation's history more than anything. IIRC, Mussolini kept it "Kingdom of Italy", and Hitler


well

Hitler was hitler.

Your current name should suffice, unless its "Communist Republic" or "Socialist Republic"

Well we used be a socialist republic, now were a fascist dictatorship so should I change the name from People's Republic to something else?

[Roski]

"People's Republic" typically indicates a 'communist' dictatorship. However, its up to your nation's history more than anything. IIRC, Mussolini kept it "Kingdom of Italy", and Hitler


well

Hitler was hitler.

Your current name should suffice, unless its "Communist Republic" or "Socialist Republic"

Well we used be a socialist republic, now were a fascist dictatorship so should I change the name from People's Republic to something else?

"Republic of Shedalonia" should do just fine.

[Shedalonia]

Well we used be a socialist republic, now were a fascist dictatorship so should I change the name from People's Republic to something else?

"Republic of Shedalonia" should do just fine.

Thanks

[Ganos Lao]

The last one, number 4, can happen, and usually does happen (USSR, United States, France, etc etc). What matters more there is why exactly there is a revolution.

Those countries all had opposition. The US had Empire Loyalists, the French had the Royalists in the Vendee, the USSR had the Whites. There were a variety of groups in each nation that opposed the incoming new order.

What I meant by my point is that there's not even that in those nations. They are entirely free of any and all opposition. A revolution does not always enjoy the unanimous support of the people and is often opposed by those who stand to lose.

Long after a revolution, nation X (ICly) has no opposition even then. That's what I'm getting at. These nations, most likely out of OOC wish fulfillment I reckon, look more like Mary Sue characters from bad fanfiction.

Funnily enough, it is the "realism or bust" crowd that suffers the most from this tendency.

[New Aeyariss]

@Ganosia: And somebody accused me of creating them since they all attempted to copy my style...

To begin with, many of those threads are based on misunderstanding of nature of military coup. I will not describe "perfect" or "non - perfect" right wingers, I have to write here here naturally. And ironically I have seen not just right wingers do that - communists did it too. While everybody has right to portray his characters as he wants, even if this is unrealistic often (after all who portrayed Hobbesianism as best choice ? ), when it comes to military coups, what some people do IRL would have been overthrown in seconds:

1) Military coup is generally based on lack of intervention of broad masses. You need people to stay neutral for this to succeed.

2) Military coup networks are, in general, small network of officers until the moment of rising. The broader network, bigger chance of detection.

3) Rising militia can be helpful, but it also has dangers of being detected. Also, militia usually is of far worse quality than regular army. I seen threads were a militia tears through security forces. Due to fire - power, militia will always be on disadvantage. Not to mention literal militia armies I seen in some RPs.

4) Purpose of action with many military units is rather to paralyse them (Airborne units can not be paradropped without planes) if they are unlike to join the coup.

5) Both in Warsaw (1926, May Coup) or in Santiago de Chile (Pinochet's coup) the city actually turned into war zone where pro - coup and anti - coup factions waged regular war.


To help people understand military coup, here is how it usually goes. The coup may be divided into six phases.

1) Trabajos (Works): creation of cell involving military officers. The cell, at this moment, is small and consists only few people.

2) Compromisos (Compromise): The coup plotters agree on how the coup will be carried, who will take what role, and plan both coup and post - coup.

3) Accion (Action): Rising of a single military unit designated by the coup plotters.

4) Pronunciamiento (Pronouncement): Broad declaration of the coup to civilians and military, asking them to support or remain uninvolved.

5) Seizure: The coup faction seizes power and announces creation of new government.

6) Creation and organisation of new government.

Following model has been taken from The Coup: Tactics in the Seizure of Power by Bruce W. Fracau.

[Neo Philippine Empire]

I have a question, considering I have outnumber non- human controlled rebels 3 to 1 and they are far from supply lines, can I consider them destroyed already?

That depends on inummerous variables.

Here's a few:
Are they fighting symmetrically or asymmetrically? (Meaning, are they fighting like the United States Army or like the Taliban/Vietcong)
What kind of equipment do they have?
what kind of equipment do you have?

1. They are defending an 19th century fort, in a plain geography
2. 40mm anti tank cannons and 40mm AA guns, small arms(assult rifles), some mortars, (the old cannons are still usable plus there are preserved ammo)
3. Super Tucano Aircraft, MLRS systems,SPGs, IFVs ,Mortars, Main Battle tanks, small arms and heavy arms

[Questers]

I've got a question

A Fascist group have taken control of my nation. Should I change the official name from the people's republic to something else?

"People's Republic" typically indicates a 'communist' dictatorship. However, its up to your nation's history more than anything. IIRC, Mussolini kept it "Kingdom of Italy", and Hitler


well

Hitler was hitler.

Your current name should suffice, unless its "Communist Republic" or "Socialist Republic"

In fact, Italian fascism never succeeded in asserting total control of the country. Italy was literally a Kingdom; it was nothing to do with how Mussolini 'kept the name'. The King ordered his removal in 1943, and outlived him until Italy became a Republic in 1946.

[Roski]

"People's Republic" typically indicates a 'communist' dictatorship. However, its up to your nation's history more than anything. IIRC, Mussolini kept it "Kingdom of Italy", and Hitler


well

Hitler was hitler.

Your current name should suffice, unless its "Communist Republic" or "Socialist Republic"

In fact, Italian fascism never succeeded in asserting total control of the country. Italy was literally a Kingdom; it was nothing to do with how Mussolini 'kept the name'. The King ordered his removal in 1943, and outlived him until Italy became a Republic in 1946.

Great nitpick. And?

That depends on inummerous variables.

Here's a few:
Are they fighting symmetrically or asymmetrically? (Meaning, are they fighting like the United States Army or like the Taliban/Vietcong)
What kind of equipment do they have?
what kind of equipment do you have?

1. They are defending an 19th century fort, in a plain geography
2. 40mm anti tank cannons and 40mm AA guns, small arms(assult rifles), some mortars, (the old cannons are still usable plus there are preserved ammo)
3. Super Tucano Aircraft, MLRS systems,SPGs, IFVs ,Mortars, Main Battle tanks, small arms and heavy arms

Plains kn a castle? Alright, are you looking to keep the castle standing or what? You could just level the castle and be done with them.

[Questers]

And?

It's not a 'nitpick' at all. If you post something substantially wrong you're obliged to have it corrected, sorry.

[Neo Philippine Empire]

In fact, Italian fascism never succeeded in asserting total control of the country. Italy was literally a Kingdom; it was nothing to do with how Mussolini 'kept the name'. The King ordered his removal in 1943, and outlived him until Italy became a Republic in 1946.

Great nitpick. And?

1. They are defending an 19th century fort, in a plain geography
2. 40mm anti tank cannons and 40mm AA guns, small arms(assult rifles), some mortars, (the old cannons are still usable plus there are preserved ammo)
3. Super Tucano Aircraft, MLRS systems,SPGs, IFVs ,Mortars, Main Battle tanks, small arms and heavy arms

Plains kn a castle? Alright, are you looking to keep the castle standing or what? You could just level the castle and be done with them.

Good, this answered my question.. Though the real enemies are the threat since the province in the Western part of the Empire is undeveloped and they'd probably use Viet Cong Tactics...

[Ganos Lao]

@Ganosia: And somebody accused me of creating them since they all attempted to copy my style...

SACTO is the big thing when it comes to what passes as rightism on NS, after all.

And ironically I have seen not just right wingers do that - communists did it too.

Of course. But mostly I've seen it done by right wing nations.

While everybody has right to portray his characters as he wants, even if this is unrealistic often (after all who portrayed Hobbesianism as best choice ? ),

Hobbesianism isn't unanimously supported, however. It has plenty of adherents, sure, but it also has detractors.

What I meant by my words is that so often I see people falling into what I see as a trap. People won't find you appealing to roleplay with if you paint your nation so, well, blandly. You gotta put out an incentive to get people to roleplay with you or otherwise they'll move on in search of greener pastures.

Following model has been taken from The Coup: Tactics in the Seizure of Power by Bruce W. Fracau.

Research, such as reading such books, is something I can't recommend enough to any aspiring roleplayer.

[The Macabees]

Yep.

Taking a read through your factbooks, I offer the following advise based on what I'm seeing:

Take out the hard numbers. Listing a set amount of, damage of, resilience of, size of, or cost of anything is an invitation to both yourself and others to indulge in number-wanking. To a reader, numbers and statistics are dead weight. They add nothing to the flavor while only encouraging those with an ego to buttress to engage in a pointless game of one-upmanship. Instead focus on the why and the who (and not 'why' the technology works); Why do you have the military you have? Do you have an ancient foe that is constantly attacking your worlds? Or are you a peaceful civilization who only maintains a small defensive force? Are you a warmongering culture? Is there a strong martial ethos that considers a brief period of national service a must? How do politics and history play into it?

Write the story of your military. Establish its flavor. Give those who you interact with a reason to care, even if it is just to loath them.

It may seem counter-intuitive, but having a powerful military in a forum-based RP is not about the numbers. Numbers can be made up; They last about as long as it takes to hit the edit button. Creativity lasts (and numbers are hardly ever creative) as does Cooperation, Coherence, and Continuity. Include others in your creation; A military system (ship, tank, whatever) purchased from this ally or nation or sold to them. A military that is declared to be shrinking with the hard times of a recent budget crisis. One that has suffered the events of the past and learned from them.

The strongest military is not the largest in number - it is the most amazing in story.

Awesome advice.

[Western Pacific Territories]

Question: In a thread called the Komino-Versutian War, there was a lot of godmodding. The OP, and the player he declared war on, were both godmodding. I brought the issue to the Moderation forum, and so far the only response I received was that RP rules are not enforced by mods, which I understand, and that another mod could address this. He did say though that if it broke this forums rules, Moderation would enforce it. I would just like to know if the godmodding in the thread broke any of this threads rules.
Link to thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=348404

[Lubyak]

Question: In a thread called the Komino-Versutian War, there was a lot of godmodding. The OP, and the player he declared war on, were both godmodding. I brought the issue to the Moderation forum, and so far the only response I received was that RP rules are not enforced by mods, which I understand, and that another mod could address this. He did say though that if it broke this forums rules, Moderation would enforce it. I would just like to know if the godmodding in the thread broke any of this threads rules.
Link to thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=348404

Things like godmodding or wanking are not rules which are enforced by mods. Feel free to check the FAQ for a summary of the rules. This is not the forum for determining what is against the rules. That's moderation's job. You've done all you can by reporting them, and it's now up to the mods to determine whether rule breaking has occurred.

[Western Pacific Territories]

I've gotten another reply from a mod, and they won't take action unless someone broke a site rule (which they haven't as far as I can tell.)

[Castille de Italia]

I've gotten another reply from a mod, and they won't take action unless someone broke a site rule (which they haven't as far as I can tell.)

You can ask that player to stop posting in the thread if you are the OP, and if they continue, then Moderators can take action.

If you aren't OP, then move on. Godmodders aren't fun to RP with anyways. Find a new RP, or a region built upon RPing. Regions tend to stick to the general rules of RPing and in most cases, apply realism to RP.

[The Templar High Council]

I've gotten another reply from a mod, and they won't take action unless someone broke a site rule (which they haven't as far as I can tell.)

You can ask that player to stop posting in the thread if you are the OP, and if they continue, then Moderators can take action.

If you aren't OP, then move on. Godmodders aren't fun to RP with anyways. Find a new RP, or a region built upon RPing. Regions tend to stick to the general rules of RPing and in most cases, apply realism to RP.

The OP, and the player he declared war on, were both godmodding.

[Western Pacific Territories]

don't worry, I've ignored him. I ain't OP.

[The Templar High Council]

don't worry, I've ignored him. I ain't OP.

Good deal. Be the bigger man.
Or woman, if that's how it is.

I roleplay on the P2TM forum mainly, so I wish I had somewhere I could send you for a good experience. But I only have links for you if you're into character roleplaying, not nation.

[Western Pacific Territories]

I could character roleplay, I don't have experience doing it but I think I could do well.

[The Templar High Council]

I could character roleplay, I don't have experience doing it but I think I could do well.

Let me know some genres/fandoms you're interested in, and I'll get back to you tomorrow with some links. Hopefully, they'll be RPs where I hold some sway and can vouch for you.

[Western Pacific Territories]

Hmm... I didn't think about that. I just thought of the idea of a member of a royal family during some random event. Perhaps a war...

[Bulkan]

Would anyone be interested in a Destiny rp?
And if their already is one, that is Open, point me in its direction please. Thanks.

[The Templar High Council]

Hmm... I didn't think about that. I just thought of the idea of a member of a royal family during some random event. Perhaps a war...

Well, IDK about that. I know II and P2TM differ in terms of content, and nation stuff is usually in II (or at least most of it, from what I see).