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Postby Roski » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:59 pm

IAPA wrote:Sorry to post under my puppet, but a player brought this question came up while I was coding stuff. I figured it was best to get an answer here:

Mal, is there any rule of thumb when determining military size? I would imagine it's based, in part, on a percentage of the population and the resources available?

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You should determine a role of your military. This is the first goal. Are you planning on a quick fight? A long fight? Do you need to be powerful abroad? Are your threats nearby?

North Korea and South Korea are at a constant state of war, with the former sandwiched between Russia, China, South Korea, Japan, and the United States 2nd Fleet. North Korea has a military size of 1,790,000, as of 2012 at least, or 7,679,000, depending on whether or not you include the paramilitary groups. This comes to about 7% or 31%, which is huge. North Korea faces crippling famines, a highly incompetent military, and a largely outdated military. Despite their talk, I think the DPRK is quite aware of this.

South Korea's is just as bad, with 3,600,000 soldiers making the entire military as of 2014, but it still makes up 7.1% of the population. South Korea's military is not (as) outdated, and it benefits from a Superpower backer with infinitely deep pockets.

The general rule of thumb is misleading.

The United States, the most powerful military force on this planet, has less than 1% of its population, in fact, .8%, in its Armed Forces. Physically larger than the North Korean Military, it has a 2,500,000 million man military with the most advanced weapons tech to date. It has no neighboring enemies, literally defended by two massive oceans, and has the money to make a logistical nightmare to any invader.

Geopolitics, technology, tactics, and strategy determine your military size. If you're Canada, you keep a small defence force because the massive nation to your south has lots of reasons to defend you from invasion. If you're North Korea, you hold a massive military in order to deter invasion. If you're France, you keep a force large enough to have an expeditionary force and to defend your country. If you're the United States, you hold a much larger military than others in your situation because you need to have a very large expeditionary force.

In my former region, my national military was rather large and defence spending was rather high because it not only needed to be able to deter invasion from a literal superpower next door, but it also needed to be able to counter that nation's influences abroad. While my nation held numerical, technological, and monetary supremacy, I can't just say "I have a bigger military than you so I will win". My military was built to strike fast and hard, to decimate enemy lines of defences before they were fully up, and his military was literally built to stop exactly that.
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Postby Glaciz » Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:17 pm

Anybody know of/looking for partners for a new(ish) FT RP I could get into?

If not then this puppet was downright useless to make.

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Postby Santheres » Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:43 pm

Glaciz wrote:Anybody know of/looking for partners for a new(ish) FT RP I could get into?

If not then this puppet was downright useless to make.


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Postby Islamic Republic of Aceh » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:00 pm

Umm, anybody know how to make a poll in the thread? Thanks for the answer...
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Postby Pillowlandia » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:14 pm

Islamic Republic of Aceh wrote:Umm, anybody know how to make a poll in the thread? Thanks for the answer...



When making or editing an OP (I belive that you can only do it with OPs) scroll down to the bottom of the text box/editor and there are two little tabs, one is labeled poll creation. From there it is all, well there.
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Postby Adevia-Ardvilla » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:44 am

Just asking. I want to know why do nations create RPs from nations TGing them that they declared war on that nation?
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Postby Roski » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:46 am

Adevia-Ardvilla wrote:Just asking. I want to know why do nations create RPs from nations TGing them that they declared war on that nation?


Im not sure im following this question right.

Are you asking why they declare war on tgs then make a thread?

Or vice versa?
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

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I am the Federal Republic of Roski. I have a population slightly over 256 million with a GDP of 13.92-14.25 trillion. My gross domestic product increases each year between .4%-.1.4%. I have a military with 4.58 million total people, with 1.58 million of those active. My defense spending is 598.5 billion, or 4.2% of my Gross Domestic Product.

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Postby Adevia-Ardvilla » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:52 am

Roski wrote:
Adevia-Ardvilla wrote:Just asking. I want to know why do nations create RPs from nations TGing them that they declared war on that nation?


Im not sure im following this question right.

Are you asking why they declare war on tgs then make a thread?

Or vice versa?

I'm asking why nations create a thread for it?

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Postby Roski » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:01 am

Adevia-Ardvilla wrote:
Roski wrote:
Im not sure im following this question right.

Are you asking why they declare war on tgs then make a thread?

Or vice versa?

I'm asking why nations create a thread for it?


Well, wars are better to RP out than if they were to like do it over tgs.

Doing a war RP is a way to get others involved, as well as potentially getting RP help.

I dunno any other reason tbh
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

Follow my Vex Robotics team on instagram! @3921a_vex

I am the Federal Republic of Roski. I have a population slightly over 256 million with a GDP of 13.92-14.25 trillion. My gross domestic product increases each year between .4%-.1.4%. I have a military with 4.58 million total people, with 1.58 million of those active. My defense spending is 598.5 billion, or 4.2% of my Gross Domestic Product.

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Postby Adevia-Ardvilla » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:02 am

Roski wrote:
Adevia-Ardvilla wrote:I'm asking why nations create a thread for it?


Well, wars are better to RP out than if they were to like do it over tgs.

Doing a war RP is a way to get others involved, as well as potentially getting RP help.

I dunno any other reason tbh

But why don't nations just ignore the TG?

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Postby Aquitayne » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:14 am

Adevia-Ardvilla wrote:
Roski wrote:
Well, wars are better to RP out than if they were to like do it over tgs.

Doing a war RP is a way to get others involved, as well as potentially getting RP help.

I dunno any other reason tbh

But why don't nations just ignore the TG?


There's a misconception with some roleplayers that if someone else declares a war on you, you have to do it. There's nothing stopping you, as a player, from ignoring the TG and the player who sent it. This is often called "ignore cannon", blasting them in the face with your attention being elsewhere. You have the ability and right to decide to ignore, accept, or whatever else any other player's interaction with you, granted that it is within the bounds of an RP. That is to say, not godmodding (though that only applies after an RP has already started, not whether or not to agree to begin one).
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Postby Adevia-Ardvilla » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:36 am

Aquitayne wrote:
Adevia-Ardvilla wrote:But why don't nations just ignore the TG?


There's a misconception with some roleplayers that if someone else declares a war on you, you have to do it. There's nothing stopping you, as a player, from ignoring the TG and the player who sent it. This is often called "ignore cannon", blasting them in the face with your attention being elsewhere. You have the ability and right to decide to ignore, accept, or whatever else any other player's interaction with you, granted that it is within the bounds of an RP. That is to say, not godmodding (though that only applies after an RP has already started, not whether or not to agree to begin one).

If I had a nation TG me and they said that they declared war on me, then I would either do it via TG or ignore it.

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Postby Aquitayne » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:45 am

Adevia-Ardvilla wrote:
Aquitayne wrote:
There's a misconception with some roleplayers that if someone else declares a war on you, you have to do it. There's nothing stopping you, as a player, from ignoring the TG and the player who sent it. This is often called "ignore cannon", blasting them in the face with your attention being elsewhere. You have the ability and right to decide to ignore, accept, or whatever else any other player's interaction with you, granted that it is within the bounds of an RP. That is to say, not godmodding (though that only applies after an RP has already started, not whether or not to agree to begin one).

If I had a nation TG me and they said that they declared war on me, then I would either do it via TG or ignore it.


Your inbox would get pretty full pretty fast.
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Postby Lubyak » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:20 am

Adevia-Ardvilla wrote:Just asking. I want to know why do nations create RPs from nations TGing them that they declared war on that nation?


In general it's good form to notify players you've set up an RP with when the RP is made. However, from your later comments, I'm supposing that the TG's you're talking about aren't in the line of, "Hey Maxtopia, here's the RP we talked about! [link]" but more along the lines of, "I'm declaring war on you now! I send 100k men to invade your capital! ~President Max Bobson, Maxtopia".

In which case, it's still generally considered good form to have RPs like that in the open. After all, while private RPs via TG can be what you want, it's usually better to keep the RP public, so other players can see, read, and become involved if they wish. When you do a war via TG, you're going to lose that ability, and it'd be very hard to try and get someone caught up with the war, as opposed to there being a thread.

And yes, if someone sends you a TG declaring war, you're entirely free to just ignore it. NS is all about open form RPing, which means there's nothing they can do if you tell them "No". Of course, this is a two edged sword, as if you start abusing your ability to say 'no' in order to try and 'win' RPs, other players are going to get very iffy very quickly about letting you join their groups or RPs. Always remember that when you're considering ignoring someone.

Of course, it's also bad form to just demand someone RP with you. War RPs particularly should at least be discussed prior to their start, if only to set the baseline of how players are going to interact with one another.

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Postby New Communist and Socialist Unions » Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:04 am

So, are cognitohazards godmods?

Definition of cognitohazard: A image or sound that causes insanity or hysteria, may cause death.
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Postby Sunset » Sun Jul 03, 2016 3:44 am

'May' is the operative word. It is generally bad form - unless agreed on between the players - to post a situation where there is no choice or possible response other than to suffer some particular result. Describing an image as horrifying or revolting is fine, but stating that it will cause death or madness if viewed. There are caveats and reasonable uses; A black box covered in warning labels, pictograms, and standardized plackards that warn 'will cause permanent and total insanity if opened' would be somewhat more reasonable - then it is the one players choice to open it and the others choice to insist on the effects. Now there will always be some give and take; the black box may be used as a trap against player b with the understanding that player b might not blunder into it. The most important point is collaboration and cooperation. If you stick to these you'll end up with less god-modding - even if you actually end up writing your friends characters for them!
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Postby New United Germany » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:30 am

I've got a question. Are nations allowed to start RPs branching out from a RP that they're in? I'm asking because a nation on a RP that I'm in wants to drag it on by doing this. And a nation won't join a RP because a nation that he doesn't seem to like is in it. Are they allowed to do that?
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Postby Roski » Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:14 am

New United Germany wrote:I've got a question. Are nations allowed to start RPs branching out from a RP that they're in? I'm asking because a nation on a RP that I'm in wants to drag it on by doing this. And a nation won't join a RP because a nation that he doesn't seem to like is in it. Are they allowed to do that?


As long as the original poster of the RP is in agreeance, aure, why not?
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I am the Federal Republic of Roski. I have a population slightly over 256 million with a GDP of 13.92-14.25 trillion. My gross domestic product increases each year between .4%-.1.4%. I have a military with 4.58 million total people, with 1.58 million of those active. My defense spending is 598.5 billion, or 4.2% of my Gross Domestic Product.

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Postby Sunset » Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:49 pm

Yes, in that Nation B could choose to do a continuing RP as far as their own characters or events in their nation are concerned. It would be poor form for them to continue an RP using Nation A's characters/geography/creations but it is perfectly reasonable to RP out the personal consequences and effects of events that originated elsewhere. This does not mean that others have to accept or acknowledge these sub-events as having consequences in their own nation. However, it is just as much poor form to only acknowledge the history and events in someone else's nation that you like or that are good for your nation. All or nothing; to do otherwise is to establish a bad precident where a player can get away with poor behavior in one area and in one circle and not suffer the reasonable consequences in another.
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Postby New Communist and Socialist Unions » Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:44 pm

Are cognitohazards MT or PMT? Because, those things are possible in MT.
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Postby Roski » Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:31 am

New Communist and Socialist Unions wrote:Are cognitohazards MT or PMT? Because, those things are possible in MT.


Cognitohazards exist throughout all time periods becauae of the sun and epilepsy.
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

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I am the Federal Republic of Roski. I have a population slightly over 256 million with a GDP of 13.92-14.25 trillion. My gross domestic product increases each year between .4%-.1.4%. I have a military with 4.58 million total people, with 1.58 million of those active. My defense spending is 598.5 billion, or 4.2% of my Gross Domestic Product.

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Postby New Communist and Socialist Unions » Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:35 am

Roski wrote:
New Communist and Socialist Unions wrote:Are cognitohazards MT or PMT? Because, those things are possible in MT.


Cognitohazards exist throughout all time periods becauae of the sun and epilepsy.


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Postby Wesontia » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:40 am

Is it considered an issue to create an RP in which you control multiple nations? May as well use the most likely example-I was considering having an RP focused on this nation, civil unrest or something, which is in an alternate-history U.S. Obviously as OP you can do what you like, but do people tend to get annoyed if the other nations (for example, Wesontia is in the western U.S., so perhaps the Mexican Empire, or Pacifica) get involved/take actions as well?
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Postby New United Germany » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:46 am

Wesontia wrote:Is it considered an issue to create an RP in which you control multiple nations? May as well use the most likely example-I was considering having an RP focused on this nation, civil unrest or something, which is in an alternate-history U.S. Obviously as OP you can do what you like, but do people tend to get annoyed if the other nations (for example, Wesontia is in the western U.S., so perhaps the Mexican Empire, or Pacifica) get involved/take actions as well?

No it isn't. I once had a RP where I controlled multiple nations.

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Postby Krugeristan » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:20 am

Where do you put the "(NS Nation Name) Diplomat/President/Leader/Etc. is looking for love" RPs? I've seen those around, and I'd like to try one out.
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