ISA Headquarters (IC/ISA ONLY)

[Legatia]

ISA HEADQUARTERS

ISA Sergius Headquarters complex in Ostia, Imperialis Province, Legatia
Main Thread

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Every full member of the International Space Agency has the right to be represented by 1 (One) member in the ISA Council. For nations that apply, this will be your director.

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Welcome to the Sergius Complex/ International Space Agency headquarters, located in the Legatian port-town of Ostia. At the ISA Headquarters, every full member may send one representative to have a say in major decisions of the ISA. Aside from directors, you need not apply your representative, though do list their name and the nation they represent when you first post for record-keeping purposes.

The ISA Headquarters may also be used to have conversations between representatives as need be.

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[align=center][u][size=110]ISA COUNCIL PROPOSAL[/size][/u][/align]
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[i][size=150][b][align=center]Proposal Name[/align][/b][/size][/i]
[align=center][b][Resolution Number: #][/b][/align]

{Text of proposal. Follow format as seen in WA proposals, if it is a lengthier proposal.}

Signed,

[hr][/hr][i][u][Name of Representative, Country Name][/u][/i][/blocktext][tab=1][/tab][/td][/table]

(credit to IFC for proposal format)

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ON PRECEDENCE IN COUNCIL:

The Secretary-General, if need-be, has a final say in any resolution.

Resolutions relating to any area of responsibility of a certain director require either said director's or the Secretary-General's approval.

Directors and the Secretary-General have the same vote as any member-nation when a resolution is put to the vote.

[Legatia]

Representatives

Legatia- Secretary-General Titania Valia

Congreveopia- Dr. Glenard Crossfield, General Director
Blorbs - Mortimer Kerman, Director of Finances.

New Chilokver- Prof. Cheryl Isherwood
The Pacifican Islands- Johnby Chen
The German Democratic Reich- Doktor Adolf Engles

[New Chilokver]

Chilokver- Prof. Cheryl Isherwood.

[Congreveopia]

Congreveopia - Dr. Glenard Crossfield, ISA General Director

OOC: Also, is this thread meant to be conducted from an IC or OOC perspective, once we're done listing the representatives?

[Legatia]

Congreveopia - Dr. Glenard Crossfield, ISA General Director

OOC: Also, is this thread meant to be conducted from an IC or OOC perspective, once we're done listing the representatives?

This is an IC thread.

[Blorbs]

Blorbs - Mortimer Kerman, Director of Finances.

OOC: So, this will work like a kind of meeting place, or is it a place to post discussions like how discussions of projects over email and other things that take place over a long period of time? Either way, I'm going to start discussing my venus rover proposal, and just want to make sure I use the correct format beyond the initial proposal.

[Legatia]

Blorbs - Mortimer Kerman, Director of Finances.

OOC: So, this will work like a kind of meeting place, or is it a place to post discussions like how discussions of projects over email and other things that take place over a long period of time? Either way, I'm going to start discussing my venus rover proposal, and just want to make sure I use the correct format beyond the initial proposal.

OOC: It is both a conversation/discussion thread and a voting thread.

[Blorbs]

Blorbs - Mortimer Kerman, Director of Finances.

OOC: So, this will work like a kind of meeting place, or is it a place to post discussions like how discussions of projects over email and other things that take place over a long period of time? Either way, I'm going to start discussing my venus rover proposal, and just want to make sure I use the correct format beyond the initial proposal.

OOC: It is both a conversation/discussion thread and a voting thread.

OOC: And one other thing, are the proposals to be used as the proposal of a project that will be discussed and iterated on that is not finished (Much like the venus rover idea, which still has far to go for being a viable design), or is the iterating and discussing something that would be initially done through this thread before the proposal, and once the proposal is made that is the final proposal and it is voted on, getting launched or not depending on the outcome.

[Legatia]

OOC: It is both a conversation/discussion thread and a voting thread.

OOC: And one other thing, are the proposals to be used as the proposal of a project that will be discussed and iterated on that is not finished (Much like the venus rover idea, which still has far to go for being a viable design), or is the iterating and discussing something that would be initially done through this thread before the proposal, and once the proposal is made that is the final proposal and it is voted on, getting launched or not depending on the outcome.

Proposals can be made with or without discussion.

[Blorbs]

Blorbs Mortimer Kerman ISA COUNCIL PROPOSAL Clypus I Venus Rover [Resolution Number: #1] Blorbs and the esteemed Mortimer Kerman, as had been previously discussed offhand, would like to propose a Venus rover. The most recent iteration of the Clypus I proposal includes the following (Note: This design will be in need of discussion and additions to a large degree before it will be complete and voted on): - Possible use of legs instead of wheels to better move around the harsh surface of Venus - Half inch nickel alloy acid resistant armor, with a top layer of hardened Asbestos to be used as a lightweight, corrosion resistant ablative covering - (Power source not yet defined) - (Cooling not yet defined) - Two instrument 'flaps' with sealable, moving hatches that temporarily open, revealing instruments for measuring the surface without having the fragile instruments at constant exposure of the harsh enviroment of Venus. - Upper stage used as an orbital Venus satalite to help the probe communicate with the Earth while also taking high definition photographs of venus (Amongst a few other scientific measurements). - Current planned mission time 2-4 weeks (Will change wildly once power and cooling are defined) Signed, [Mortimer Kerman, Blorbs]

[Legatia]

Titania Valia frowns. "How would legs be more useful on Venus than wheels, Mr. Kerman?" She'd ask. "Do you not have any ideas for the cooling and power system?"

[Blorbs]

"Well, the legs were mainly just a possibility, however the idea would be that you can decrease the chance of transporation limb breaking by putting the moving parts higher up from the ground..." Mortimer paused "And as far as cooling and power goes, there are several difficulties. We can cool it down if we have a strong enough power source, but we can't use solar panels because there isn't nearly enough light to produce a substantial amount of power, thermocouples require a difference in temperature, and an RTG will only contribute to the heat problem, with the amount of power one would be able to use to cool the craft will be less than the amount of heat the RTG added itself, and just bringing a big battery won't last long enough to make the mission worth it." He furld his brow "Anybody have any ideas on long term power without producing too much heat?"

[The Pacifican Islands]

"Well, the legs were mainly just a possibility, however the idea would be that you can decrease the chance of transporation limb breaking by putting the moving parts higher up from the ground..." Mortimer paused "And as far as cooling and power goes, there are several difficulties. We can cool it down if we have a strong enough power source, but we can't use solar panels because there isn't nearly enough light to produce a substantial amount of power, thermocouples require a difference in temperature, and an RTG will only contribute to the heat problem, with the amount of power one would be able to use to cool the craft will be less than the amount of heat the RTG added itself, and just bringing a big battery won't last long enough to make the mission worth it." He furld his brow "Anybody have any ideas on long term power without producing too much heat?"

Pacifican Space Program (PASA)- Johnby Chen (Pacifican Director for Massive Projects)

"Hi guys, sorry I'm late." Johnby listened to the conversation. "Just to put this crazy idea out there, what if we had a fuel cell and an ISRU unit? It would mine the planet, but.." Johnby faltered. "That would cause too much heat. How about....I don't know."

[The Pacifican Islands]

The Pacifican Islands Johnby Chen ISA COUNCIL PROPOSAL Atomic Cargo System (ACS) [Resolution Number: #2] A PASA official recently published a report about atomic shuttles. The decision was given from the Director of PASA to propose it to the ISA. The most recent proposal consists of 5 Atomic Cargo Systems, consisting of (from front to back) -A large APAS style docking port -A large fuel tank -Fueling port -A fueled adapter -Multiple radiators throughout -1 dual mode NERVA rocket engine (reactor+engine) The whole Atomic Cargo System's dry mass is 70 tons. It can be lifted in one launch by PASA's heavy lifter, the SR-750 Equator. It will then be refueled in orbit. The system will provide cheap service from Low Earth Orbit to Low Moon Orbit, allowing different nations to bring landers, bases and resupply missions to the Moon. Strictly speaking, it is just for orbit to orbit. The current projected life of one ACS is 5-10 years. A factor that is still up for debate is whether the system should have the shielding and accommodation to be man-rated, or should the system stay cargo only. Another factor is whether the ACS should be able to aerobrake, but all PASA votes have voted against aerobraking. For your consideration, the Atomic Cargo System. Signed, [Johnby Chen, The Pacifican Islands]

OOC: This is like the IRL reusable nuclear shuttle

[Blorbs]

Mortimer spoke to Johnby with a slight look of dissapointment "A nuclear shuttle would be a bad idea for the simple reason that you are setting off a nuclear engine in LEO, the location where all space stations are located, and is near the thicker part of the atmosphere, making any radioactive exaust or meltdowns devestating... And a fuel cell will only increase heat, as it burns the fuel and generates energy with a thermocouple."

[Legatia]

Titania frowned. "Legatia votes no. We don't have need of refuelers yet, and the heat problem would prove devastating. Current booster technologies would make this unnecessary."

"Might I also suggest that we keep the amount of proposals on the floor limited to one?"

[The German Democratic Reich]

The GDR- Doktor Adolf Engles

[Blorbs]

Titania frowned. "Legatia votes no. We don't have need of refuelers yet, and the heat problem would prove devastating. Current booster technologies would make this unnecessary."

"Might I also suggest that we keep the amount of proposals on the floor limited to one?"

"I second this. I raise we shelve the shuttle proposal until the current one has been either solved or abandoned."

[The Pacifican Islands]

Titania frowned. "Legatia votes no. We don't have need of refuelers yet, and the heat problem would prove devastating. Current booster technologies would make this unnecessary."

"Might I also suggest that we keep the amount of proposals on the floor limited to one?"

"I second this. I raise we shelve the shuttle proposal until the current one has been either solved or abandoned."

Johnby frowned. "That makes sense. Okay."

Mortimer spoke to Johnby with a slight look of dissapointment "A nuclear shuttle would be a bad idea for the simple reason that you are setting off a nuclear engine in LEO, the location where all space stations are located, and is near the thicker part of the atmosphere, making any radioactive exaust or meltdowns devestating... And a fuel cell will only increase heat, as it burns the fuel and generates energy with a thermocouple."

"What if we had it in a higher orbit? Sure the Oberth Effect would wear off, but we think that this system has potential. And- Oh god." Johnby put his head in his arms. "But then, we have a Mars transfer vehicle in Low Earth Orbit, with a Nuclear Lightbulb, ready to go during February of this year!" "I'm sorry for our nation's shortsightedness, but we need to figure out this issue." He stepped away from his desk, out the door and turned on his phone. Screaming could be heard. He came back, hair ruffled. "We can solve this issue later, but we'll have to delay the Mars flight."

[The German Democratic Reich]

"Nuclear powered shuttles?" Doktor Engles looked around his comrades of science. "Did thought go into that proposal?" The German quickly leaned back and said "I agree with the rest, No." He then heard the request to keep proposal numbers down "Agreed. It would be far too crazy for us to have multiple proposals to vote on..."

The man would then move onto the first proposal "Now, tell me, what if we had both wheels and legs and have an automated system to tell which ones to use?"

[Legatia]

"Nuclear powered shuttles?" Doktor Engles looked around his comrades of science. "Did thought go into that proposal?" The German quickly leaned back and said "I agree with the rest, No." He then heard the request to keep proposal numbers down "Agreed. It would be far too crazy for us to have multiple proposals to vote on..."

The man would then move onto the first proposal "Now, tell me, what if we had both wheels and legs and have an automated system to tell which ones to use?"

Titania gave a sweep of her hand. "I say it's a bit too complicated. We need to worry about size issues, as this thing can't be too large, and the computing for that would take up too much space." She shook her head.

[The Pacifican Islands]

"Nuclear powered shuttles?" Doktor Engles looked around his comrades of science. "Did thought go into that proposal?" The German quickly leaned back and said "I agree with the rest, No." He then heard the request to keep proposal numbers down "Agreed. It would be far too crazy for us to have multiple proposals to vote on..."

The man would then move onto the first proposal "Now, tell me, what if we had both wheels and legs and have an automated system to tell which ones to use?"

"Yes, the whole R&D department's thought for a whole year." Johnby shook his head. "I hate how people treat the word "nuclear" like a bad word. Onto Doktor Engles's proposal, I believe no. It would be too complex and why have both? Ounces make kilos, and kilos make taxpayer dollars."

[Blorbs]

"Nuclear powered shuttles?" Doktor Engles looked around his comrades of science. "Did thought go into that proposal?" The German quickly leaned back and said "I agree with the rest, No." He then heard the request to keep proposal numbers down "Agreed. It would be far too crazy for us to have multiple proposals to vote on..."

The man would then move onto the first proposal "Now, tell me, what if we had both wheels and legs and have an automated system to tell which ones to use?"

Titania gave a sweep of her hand. "I say it's a bit too complicated. We need to worry about size issues, as this thing can't be too large, and the computing for that would take up too much space." She shook her head.

Mortimer, motioning everyone to quiet down, spoke up "Now, extra computing power doesn't take much space at all, however without power to run a cooling system no processor is going to last very long, and I say we stick with the main problem of powering the craft." He paused, and began to think "Actually, now that I think about it, if we had to use battery, we could actually half the amount of weight needed per watt, at least allowing for more power if we had no other way of providing power (Which I very much hope we do), which is using a normal chemical battery, but only taking the alkaline part, and extracting the acidic part from the terrain/air of Venus... Not sure whether or not thats an outrageus idea, but whether or not it is we still need to try to come up with a different, longer lasting power solution."

OOC: Ive also been thinking about, since this wont necesarily constitute its own RP, we could possibly have some sort of system that by using RNGs and a set of probabilities based off of how good our solutions are, the harshness of the enviroment, and the amount of testing invested into it. We could then make a couple posts about it, describing some of its measurements, what went wrong, and when.

[Guadalupador]

Professor Unzuelo Moritoni of the Guadalupadorian Federal Space Agency quietly listened along to the debate at hand. With a short raise of his hand, he quietly said in his not so perfect English. "For the first proposition, I will set an AYE vote." The softspoken Professor continued to listen along, and nodded approvingly at Mortimer's latest suggestion on the utilization of Venus' environment on assisting in the powering of the probe.

[The Pacifican Islands]

Titania gave a sweep of her hand. "I say it's a bit too complicated. We need to worry about size issues, as this thing can't be too large, and the computing for that would take up too much space." She shook her head.

Mortimer, motioning everyone to quiet down, spoke up "Now, extra computing power doesn't take much space at all, however without power to run a cooling system no processor is going to last very long, and I say we stick with the main problem of powering the craft." He paused, and began to think "Actually, now that I think about it, if we had to use battery, we could actually half the amount of weight needed per watt, at least allowing for more power if we had no other way of providing power (Which I very much hope we do), which is using a normal chemical battery, but only taking the alkaline part, and extracting the acidic part from the terrain/air of Venus... Not sure whether or not thats an outrageus idea, but whether or not it is we still need to try to come up with a different, longer lasting power solution."

OOC: Ive also been thinking about, since this wont necesarily constitute its own RP, we could possibly have some sort of system that by using RNGs and a set of probabilities based off of how good our solutions are, the harshness of the enviroment, and the amount of testing invested into it. We could then make a couple posts about it, describing some of its measurements, what went wrong, and when.

"Well, Mortimer, I think that your idea is great, but it seems a bit too far fetched for my tastes. I think converting the atmosphere of Venus to energy would also cause a lot of heat." Johnby frowned. "I have heard your concerns about photovoltaic panels before, but maybe that's the only option. Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we have set too high of a goal for this probe. We could possibly scale down some features to make it use photovoltaic panels."