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Progressive Socialism [IDEOLOGY | OOC]

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Reboot of this: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=323267#p22756830

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Progressive Socialism is a political ideology emerging in the Greater Ardokian Empire during the late 19th Century. Originally being an exclusive Socialist ideology, it quickly adapted to the various views of Ardokian society and became much more moderate closely resembling the economic stances of Liberal Socialism. Like other socialist schools of thought, such as Marxism-Leninism, Progressive Socialism rejects multi-party democracy accusing it of causing disorder, instability and a lack of national unity along with the corruption and popularity contests it creates. Instead, supporting a single-party state to unite the masses and usher in an "eternal march of progress and advancement".

Political Theory
Progressive Socialism supports the establishment of a single-party state, where the citizens directly elect representatives (all candidates must be members of the party, and approved by the party) to their Local Assembly every 5 years. The Local Assembly then elects some of its members to go up to the District Assembly. The pattern then repeats through the Regional Assemblies, the Provincial Assemblies and up to the National Assembly. The National Assembly is the national legislature, though just acts as a rubber stamp for the party's legislature. The lower assemblies sever no purpose any more, except to filter out candidates for the National Assembly.

Members of the party elect representatives to their local branches, who then elect representatives to the district, regional, and provincial branches. The representatives of the Provincial Branches of the party, then elect representatives to the National Congress of the party which meets every six months. The National Congress (of 5000 members) then elects a Central Committee (of 250 members and meets every month) which then elects the Politburo (of 25 members) who rule make party and national policies. The Council of Ministers, is responsible for carrying out policies and legislation designed by the Politburo and approved by the National Assembly. The Council of Ministers is composed of the Premier (head of government) and other ministers who are selected by the Politburo from within the party. The leader of the Politburo, is also the President (head of state) and the General Secretary (of the party).

Economic Theory
Progressive Socialism stands as a sort of compromise, taking elements of classic socialism and capitalism and merging them together to create a superior system. From a fundamental outlook, Progressive Socialism supports economic theory of Ordoliberlism, emphasising the need for state intervention to create a truly free and competitive free market, while also having elements of Dirigisme characterised by the state direction and subsidisation certain sectors of the economy when necessary. Back to its socialist roots, Progressive Socialism strongly supports a welfare state in order to assist those who need it, however free and high quality education job guarantee system have practically eliminated poverty in Ardoki. While also maintaining a monopoly on certain sectors of the the economy, such as the resource, telecommunications and utilities sectors, while also supporting the use of state-owned corporations to take part in the market economy to act as a price-stabiliser and for-profit enterprise.

The implementation of Progressive Socialism in Ardoki has had a profound impact on the nation. Before the Progressive Revolution (1905) the economy was stagnated and there was vast inequality, by 1911 the economy had started growing rapidly and by 1920 had effectively doubled in size. Today Ardoki has a GDP (nominal) of over NS (US) $68 000, along with very low wealth inequality and a high and stable economic growth rate. The liberal free market, government intervention and direction (when necessary), and policies to reduce poverty and increase the living standard of the people, combine perfectly to create the most ideal society. Ardoki, is proof of the 'Progressive Socialist Economic Miracle' and the possibility of mixing socialism and capitalism to create a more prosperous, fairer and equal society for all.

Social Theory
Progressive Socialism is very socially liberal, supporting the legalisation of abortion, prostitution and euthanasia along with a strong tendency to base policies of scientific reason and evidence in stark opposition to the traditionalism of conservative ideologies. It is a strong supporter of scientism and rationalism, and stands actively against superstition and supernaturalism. The ideology supports state atheism in order to foster a "scientific and rational populace", though does not literally prohibit religious practice. However organised religion, the promotion of religion to children, attempts at conversion, public display or support of religion, are all prohibited. Along with the active support of rationalism and science, creativity and the arts are also heavily encouraged as they are all believed to "advance humanity and provide a richer society".

Progressivism is believed to be the natural state of humanity, while conservatism (and reactionaryism) are deemed to be "unnatural, dangerous and must be eradicated". Thus, Progressive Socialism has no problems with social liberalism and has shown a heightened ability to modernise and change with the times, as mentioned previously Ardoki has social freedoms non-existent in a lot of countries (such as marriage equality).
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Postby Republic of Libanon » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:06 pm

We find this ideology to be a militant atheist terrorist, Hard Socialist/Hard Crony Capitalist stupidized form of neo-stalinist communism.

There is plenty of proof of the supernatural out there, there is proof of God, and so the state should not force it's militant atheist agenda on the people, moreover Rationalism is quite irrational when combined with a Totalitarian state and Leftist economic policies, its an ideology that advocates immorality such as abortion and a leftist excuse for neo-colonialism.
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Postby Tunguskania » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:08 pm

Republic of Libanon wrote:We find this ideology to be a militant atheist terrorist, Hard Socialist/Crony Capitalist/Corporate Fascist stupidized form of neo-stalinist communism.

What?

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Postby Republic of Libanon » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:09 pm

Tunguskania wrote:
Republic of Libanon wrote:We find this ideology to be a militant atheist terrorist, Hard Socialist/Crony Capitalist/Corporate Fascist stupidized form of neo-stalinist communism.

What?



This ideology is just a repeat of the 20th century tyrants of old, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini and Lenin.
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Postby Tunguskania » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:10 pm

Republic of Libanon wrote:
Tunguskania wrote:What?



This ideology is just a repeat of the 20th century tyrants of old, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini and Lenin.

And whats the problem with that?

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Postby Ardoki » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:26 pm

Progressive Socialism

"the most stupid, politically correct, frankfurtist, neo-marxist, keneyisian, cultural marxist, corperate fascist, crony capitalist, revisionist-socialist, neo-communist, totalitarian, quasi-nazi bullshit ideology ever invented. "

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It can be our advertising slogan.
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Postby New Aeyariss » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:35 pm

Well, generally keep OOC discussion about what Stalin did and did not off this thread please.

In Nihon this ideology is banned alongside communism, and it's adherents usually land in prison or are sent to colonies of Nihon as punishment. Just as Russians have taken the prisoners into Siberia, such Nihonese land socialists in Kaltsedonian Islands, land of eternal snow,where they work until they are free.
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Postby Republic of Libanon » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:38 pm

Also side note, anyone caught advocating this "Progressive-Socialist" ideology in Libanon is exiled to a work-camp along with commies.
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Progressive Socialism in Austrova

Postby Austrova » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:40 pm

Progressive Socialism is a minority ideology in Austrova; however, its been making headlines for the last few years, quickly receiving popularity in certain parts of the nation, before being banned in 2011, sparking an intense court battle destined to be settled in the near future.
The Progressive Socialist Party of Austrova was formally founded in 2004, and partook in the 2006 elections. While it received no seats in the National Assembly, and had no significant percentage of the national vote, they won multiple council seats in the north of the nation, with their strongholds being along the Columbian Border. In one county near the Columbian Border, the PSPA won 37% of the vote.
In the 2010 election, multiple counties in the north were won by the PSPA, and they received one seat in the National Assembly. The PSPA won many council seats in the Austrovan Mainland, as well as one in the Hawaiian Islands. This should have marked the beginning of the popularity of the PSPA in Austrova.
However, in 2011, the Constitutional Defense Act was passed, enabling the National Assembly to ban any political parties which were deemed to go against the Austrovan constitution. Weeks later, the PSPA was banned. The reasons were that its State Atheist and Single-Party State policies threatened the constitution of Austrova, which guaranteed a secular and democratic state. Other parties, such as the National Restoration Party and the Fascist Party were also banned. All elected officials of the PSPA and other banned parties were officially designated as independents, though an unofficial organization continued to bind them together.
In late 2012, the NSPA, PSPA and FPA legally challenged the Constitutional Defense Act, arguing that it violated the guarantee of a Democratic State and the Right to Vote. It has been battled for the last 1 1/2 years, and the elections in 2014 were postponed to the summer of 2015 pending whether or not the parties in queston could partake in the elections. An official ruling is to be announced in March.
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Dear masses of the motherland,

Due to past Ardoki jingoism, as well as the controversies of progressive socialism, which makes compromises in our view to the reactionary enemies of the people, we deem this ideologue that of a revisionist system, which is thenceforth discouraged in our nation. We recommend our people whilst also those of our honourable allies, to steer clear from the idea. In addition, the emphasised support in favour of social decadence, sexual deviancy (faggotry on the borderline extent of Jimmy Savile), hedonism in addition to Frankfurtian "rationalist" values, disgusts our State to the bloody utmost. We refuse to support such a system. In regards to society, traditional moral values are best. We shalt never allow social libtard ideals to infect peoples anywhere. However, we will mainly oppose this through political debates as well as speeches.

Cordially yours,

- Comrade El-Commandente Bashar Che Al-Assad, Brotherly Revolutionary Chairman of all Bilad ash-Sham, Regional-President of Souriya Al-Assad Soviet Regional Republic within Bilad ash-Sham, Supreme Soviet Generalissimo of Résistance, Second Saladin, Anointed One, Glorious One, Conqueror Whom Smites Sectarianism Whilst Obliterates Neo-Imperialism, Unifying Lion of the Peoples, Seeker of Truth, Exposer of the Conspiracies, Saviour of Humankind, Ya Sayyid al-Ubat (O Master of the Proud Ones)
- Comrade People's Revolutionary Premier Aisha Al-Qadhafi (in 2022)
- Comrade Walid Moallem, People's Commissar of Foreign & Expatriate Affairs
- Supreme President of The Arab People's Democratic Revolutionary Résistance Republic of Egypt, Comrade Abdel Hakim Abdel Nasser, now Regional-President Elect of the Masr (Egypt) Soviet Regional Republic within Bilad ash-Sham
- Chairman of the People's Democratic Republic of Al Jazair (Algeria) Comrade Abdelaziz Boutéflika, now Regional-President Elect of the Al Jazair (Algeria) Soviet Regional Republic within Bilad ash-Sham
- Chairman of the Sahrawi-Morocco Arab Revolutionary Democratic Republic Comrade Mohammed Abdelaziz, also Secretary-General of Frente Polisario, Supreme Marshal-Generalissimo of the Sahrawi-Morocco People's Liberation Army; Regional-President Elect of the Sahrawi-Morocco Arab Revolutionary Democratic Republic within Bilad ash-Sham
- Comrade Seyyed Hassan Nasrallah, Regional-Premier of the Lebanon Soviet Regional Republic within Bilad ash-Sham
- Comrade Salih Muslim Mohammed, Founder Secretary-General & Chairman of the PYD, Regional-President of the Rojava-Kurdistaniye Soviet Regional Republic within Bilad ash-Sham
- Comrade Munir Hamarneh, Chairman of the Jordanian People's Résistance National Front Coalition Bloc (consists of his Communist Party of Jordan, of Comrade Akram al-Homsi's Arab Socialist Ba'athist Party, of Comrade Abla Abu Elbah's Jordanian Democratic People's Party, of Comrade Saeed Thyab's Jordanian Democratic Popular Unity Party, of Comrade Fouad Dabor's Jordanian Arab Progressive Baath Party) Regional-President of the Jordaniyya Soviet Regional Republic within Bilad ash-Sham
- Comrade Andros Kyprianou, Secretary-General & Chairman of the Progressive Party of Working People, Regional-President of the Cypriot Soviet Regional Republic within Bilad ash-Sham
- Camarade Le Dragon, Chairman-In-Exile of the Sixth French Republic People's Revolutionary Government in Exile
- Comrade Speaker of the People's Assembly Mohammad Jihad al-Laham
- Comrade Ahmed Mohamed Mohamoud, former President of the Republic of Somaliland, also did like Oman al-Bashir; except later on is now the Regional-President Elect of the Somaliland Soviet Regional Republic within Bilad ash-Sham, in elections after the merger was completed
- Comrade Muhammad Mukhtar Al-Khatib, leader of the Sudanese Communist Party, Chairman of the National Sudanese Revolutionary Block Coalition (consists of his Communist Party of Sudan, consists of Comrades Mohamed Ali Jadin & Kamal Hamed Boulad's Sudanese Ba'ath Party, consists of Comrade Al-Tijani Mustafa Yassin's Arab Socialist Ba'athist Party - Organisation of Sudan, consists of Comrade Taiseer Mutassir's Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party – Country of Sudan, consists of Comrade Satia Ahmad Al-Haj's Sudanese Nasserist Party, consists of Comrade Abulgasim Ahmed Hashim's Working Forces Organisation, consists of Comrade Mustafa Mahmoud's Arab Nasserist Party of Sudan, consists of Comrades Dr. Jamal Idris & Enstar Alagali's Socialist Unionist Nasserist Party, consists of Comrade Babiker Karrar's Islamic Socialist Party), as well as is Regional-President Elect of the Sudan Soviet Regional Republic within Bilad ash-Sham
- Comrade Joseph Wol Modesto, leader of the South Sudan Communist Party, as well as Regional-President Elect of the South Sudan Soviet Regional Republic within Bilad ash-Sham
- Comrade Ibrahim Sharif Supreme People's Director of the Unified Liberation Résistance Coalition Front for Bahrain, of the Democratic People's Islamic Anti-Zionist Republic of Bahrain, as well as People's Commissar of Defence & Supreme Generalissimo of the People's Revolutionary Defence Forces of Bahrain
- Comrade Sheikh Ali Salman, Chairman of the Democratic People's Islamic Anti-Zionist Republic of Bahrain
- Comrade Hassan Ali, Premier of the Democratic People's Islamic Anti-Zionist Republic of Bahrain
- Comrade Hassan Madan, People's Commissar of Foreign & Expatriate Affairs of the Democratic People's Islamic Anti-Zionist Republic of Bahrain
- Comrade "Great Father" (or Father of the Chadian National People's Awakening) Colonel Mosi Chidiebube Leclair, of the Corrective African Popular Socialist Republic of Chad
- Comrade Raoul Hayder Yassir, Secretary-General of The Mauritanian People's Tripartite Coalition Front For Liberation as well as Change (MPTCFLC)/National People's Liberation Front for Mauritania (NPLFM), of the Arab People's Socialist Republic of Mauritania
- Comrade Mahfouz Weld al-Azizi the Chairman of the Mauritanian Revolutionary Government & Supreme Generalissimo of the People's Liberation Army of Mauritania (PLAM), of the Arab People's Socialist Republic of Mauritania
- Comrade Messoud Ould Boulkheir Premier of the Mauritanian Revolutionary Government, of the Arab People's Socialist Republic of Mauritania
- Comrade People's Lioness Sheikha Hind bint Hamad bin Khalifa ibn Al-Thani, of The Popular Arab Socialist Revolutionary Republic of Qatar


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Postby Stormwrath » Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:52 am

"Progressive Socialism? Well, it does seem to be an efficient ideology when you want quick progress and economic growth. However, while it is a good ideology in substance and in quality, we think that it can't be just applied to every nation, as much as multi-party democratic republics can't be implemented everywhere. The last time someone tried to implement something similar in Stormwrath, it erupted into civil war."

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Sounds like it has an easily noticed potential for abuse and potential to suppress dissenters. Otherwise, the UCE approves.
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Ardoki wrote:Reboot of this: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=323267#p22756830

Political Theory
Progressive Socialism supports the establishment of a single-party state, where the citizens directly elect representatives (all candidates must be members of the party, and approved by the party) to their Local Assembly every 5 years. The Local Assembly then elects some of its members to go up to the District Assembly. The pattern then repeats through the Regional Assemblies, the Provincial Assemblies and up to the National Assembly. The National Assembly is the national legislature, though just acts as a rubber stamp for the party's legislature. The lower assemblies sever no purpose any more, except to filter out candidates for the National Assembly.



Seems like fascism but wait...

Ardoki wrote:Reboot of this: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=323267#p22756830


Economic Theory
Progressive Socialism stands as a sort of compromise, taking elements of classic socialism and capitalism and merging them together to create a superior system. From a fundamental outlook, Progressive Socialism supports economic theory of Ordoliberlism, emphasising the need for state intervention to create a truly free and competitive free market, while also having elements of Dirigisme characterised by the state direction and subsidisation certain sectors of the economy when necessary. Back to its socialist roots, Progressive Socialism strongly supports a welfare state in order to assist those who need it, however free and high quality education job guarantee system have practically eliminated poverty in Ardoki. While also maintaining a monopoly on certain sectors of the the economy, such as the resource, telecommunications and utilities sectors, while also supporting the use of state-owned corporations to take part in the market economy to act as a price-stabiliser and for-profit enterprise.


The same ideology as Mussolini's Italian fascist party.

Ardoki wrote:Reboot of this: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=323267#p22756830


Social Theory
Progressive Socialism is very socially liberal, supporting the legalisation of abortion, prostitution and euthanasia along with a strong tendency to base policies of scientific reason and evidence in stark opposition to the traditionalism of conservative ideologies. It is a strong supporter of scientism and rationalism, and stands actively against superstition and supernaturalism. The ideology supports state atheism in order to foster a "scientific and rational populace", though does not literally prohibit religious practice. However organised religion, the promotion of religion to children, attempts at conversion, public display or support of religion, are all prohibited. Along with the active support of rationalism and science, creativity and the arts are also heavily encouraged as they are all believed to "advance humanity and provide a richer society".

Progressivism is believed to be the natural state of humanity, while conservatism (and reactionaryism) are deemed to be "unnatural, dangerous and must be eradicated". Thus, Progressive Socialism has no problems with social liberalism and has shown a heightened ability to modernise and change with the times, as mentioned previously Ardoki has social freedoms non-existent in a lot of countries (such as marriage equality).


Enforcing an ideology on the people is all an act of fascism.

All in all Progressive Socialism possesses the Political, Social and Economics of Fascism.
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So is this a nazi with another name then?

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Tunguskania wrote:So is this a nazi with another name then?

I have a feeling you don't understand what nazism is.

Since when would Nazis support communist-style political systems and very socially liberal policies (such as abortion, equality, marriage equality, state enforced tolerance/political correctness and anti-discrimination policies)?
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Postby Tunguskania » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:21 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Tunguskania wrote:So is this a nazi with another name then?

I have a feeling you don't understand what nazism is.

Since when would Nazis support communist-style political systems and very socially liberal policies (such as abortion, equality, marriage equality, state enforced tolerance/political correctness and anti-discrimination policies)?

Since the hitler regime

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Postby Gwynevas » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:22 pm

I really like this! But why a one-party system though?
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Postby Zunkwentania » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:25 pm

Does Progressive Socialism make any attempt at full cooperativization of the economy? Or does it rather aim at full state control? Because to me, this ideology seems to be a libertarian version of fascism.
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Postby New Aeyariss » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:27 pm

I wouldn't say it is fascism, but it certainly borrowed few concepts from fascism.
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:27 pm

Tunguskania wrote:
Ardoki wrote:I have a feeling you don't understand what nazism is.

Since when would Nazis support communist-style political systems and very socially liberal policies (such as abortion, equality, marriage equality, state enforced tolerance/political correctness and anti-discrimination policies)?

Since the hitler regime

Okay, the Nazis banned abortion, killed LGBT people, practised institutionalised racism and sexism, etc. But if you want to ignore that, fine by me.

By the way, our economics are much more in line with the social market economy of post-war and present Germany.
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:28 pm

Gwynevas wrote:I really like this! But why a one-party system though?

In order to stop the people from being mislead or manipulated into voting against their own, or others (i.e. minorities) interests.
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Postby Zunkwentania » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:30 pm

New Aeyariss wrote:I wouldn't say it is fascism, but it certainly borrowed few concepts from fascism.

Well, the social aspects are certainly quite different from fascism, and it could be argued that the social aspects are the most important part of fascism. I'm not trying to use fascism as a boogeyman here, though.

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Postby Ardoki » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:30 pm

Zunkwentania wrote:Does Progressio Socialism make any attempt at full cooperativization of the economy? Or does it rather aim at full state control? Because to me, this ideology seems to be a libertarian version of fascism.

Social Market Economy with state-control over some key sectors (natural resources, infrastructure, telecommunications, utilities) as well as minor state involvement in the market (for example there is a state run public bank and insurance conglomerate to keep prices low and for revenue).
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Postby Zunkwentania » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:32 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Zunkwentania wrote:Does Progressio Socialism make any attempt at full cooperativization of the economy? Or does it rather aim at full state control? Because to me, this ideology seems to be a libertarian version of fascism.

Social Market Economy with state-control over some key sectors (natural resources, infrastructure, telecommunications, utilities) as well as minor state involvement in the market (for example there is a state run public bank and insurance conglomerate to keep prices low and for revenue).

At the current. But does it incentivize workers' cooperatives? Does it aim for full socialism, whether that be market socialism or state socialism? Because if it doesn't, it really wouldn't be correct to call it socialism.

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Postby Ardoki » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:35 pm

Zunkwentania wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Social Market Economy with state-control over some key sectors (natural resources, infrastructure, telecommunications, utilities) as well as minor state involvement in the market (for example there is a state run public bank and insurance conglomerate to keep prices low and for revenue).

At the current. But does it incentivize workers' cooperatives? Does it aim for full socialism, whether that be market socialism or state socialism? Because if it doesn't, it really wouldn't be correct to call it socialism.

It's like Liberal Socialism in its economics.
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