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Mostly because of major budget reforms and the cutting of my military to mostly reserve.



Also everyone will have to re post there contributes and bases to me

Again this will be a long few days and maybe even weeks.

ZATAK wrote:Mostly because of major budget reforms and the cutting of my military to mostly reserve.



Also everyone will have to re post there contributes and bases to me

You see, that's seems like unnecessary hassle imo, as they've already posted their contributions, and its a simple matter of just finding those on the military thread. Any ones that you've missed can be brought up in discussion.

The budget is different, and will require real reforms so its not reliant on one nation, totally agree there.

Valaran wrote:

ZATAK wrote:Mostly because of major budget reforms and the cutting of my military to mostly reserve.



Also everyone will have to re post there contributes and bases to me

You see, that's seems like unnecessary hassle imo, as they've already posted their contributions, and its a simple matter of just finding those on the military thread. Any ones that you've missed can be brought up in discussion.

The budget is different, and will require real reforms so its not reliant on one nation, totally agree there.

Ya i have the IU reforms and my reforms to worry about now

ZATAK wrote:

Valaran wrote:

You see, that's seems like unnecessary hassle imo, as they've already posted their contributions, and its a simple matter of just finding those on the military thread. Any ones that you've missed can be brought up in discussion.

The budget is different, and will require real reforms so its not reliant on one nation, totally agree there.

Ya i have the IU reforms and my reforms to worry about now

Yeah


Still thanks for agreeing; I imagine all of us have had enough conflict recently.

Listen to me god damnit, I tried my best. I pushed, and pushed, and pushed, and pushed, you lazy fucking people to actually use the assembly like you were meant to do, considering we were the International Union ASSEMBLY, but no, you all had other things to concentrate on like fucking whaling issues. So you listen to me when I say this, I fucking tried. I adopted new format, I changed the forms of the military, I revamped the signups page, I came up with the I.U storefront idea and made the actual fucking storefront, I moderated, mitigated, and observed everything that people could get up off their ass and tell me. Val's right, most founders take a back seat to their organizations, why am I so active? BECAUSE I CARE! So don't tell me, that "nothing got done with EN and Quebec in charge". Do you know how many god damn times I had to defend your membership Zatak, because so many people think you're a horse's ass? Too many than I'd like to mention. All you ever did was sit there and complain, and try and coup, and pretend like you deserved respect, and then try to paint everyone in a worse light than you, so you could seize power, despite being almost as bad as the people you slandered. And that goes for alot of you, sitting here pretending to be so damn shocked that this happened to us, AGAIN. How are you shocked? You don't do anything, and the things that are give to you to take care of, end up floundering anyway. You aren't the one who constantly has to build trust and relationships with new people, both out of necessity and fear that you'll eventually have to do their jobs for them because they'll most likely end up being incompetent. You're not the one that took hours trying to come up with fresh new ideas to get everyone going, just to have them die in the water because people are preoccupied with crap. You're not the one who spent hours coding a signups page, that no one even appreciated, just to have it deleted by some frustrated teenager who lied straight to your face and attempted to blame others. So excuse me, if, after doing and dealing with all of this bullshit day in and day out, I became frustrated and left for a bit, simply to come back. This is a fucking thankless job, serving mostly thankless people. But I deal with it, why? Because god damnit I'm determined...

Elemental North wrote:Listen to me god damnit, I tried my best. I pushed, and pushed, and pushed, and pushed, you lazy fucking people to actually use the assembly like you were meant to do, considering we were the International Union ASSEMBLY, but no, you all had other things to concentrate on like fucking whaling issues. So you listen to me when I say this, I fucking tried. I adopted new format, I changed the forms of the military, I revamped the signups page, I came up with the I.U storefront idea and made the actual fucking storefront, I moderated, mitigated, and observed everything that people could get up off their ass and tell me. Val's right, most founders take a back seat to their organizations, why am I so active? BECAUSE I CARE! So don't tell me, that "nothing got done with EN and Quebec in charge". Do you know how many god damn times I had to defend your membership Zatak, because so many people think you're a horse's ass? Too many than I'd like to mention. All you ever did was sit there and complain, and try and coup, and pretend like you deserved respect, and then try to paint everyone in a worse light than you, so you could seize power, despite being almost as bad as the people you slandered. And that goes for alot of you, sitting here pretending to be so damn shocked that this happened to us, AGAIN. How are you shocked? You don't do anything, and the things that are give to you to take care of, end up floundering anyway. You aren't the one who constantly has to build trust and relationships with new people, both out of necessity and fear that you'll eventually have to do their jobs for them because they'll most likely end up being incompetent. You're not the one that took hours trying to come up with fresh new ideas to get everyone going, just to have them die in the water because people are preoccupied with crap. You're not the one who spent hours coding a signups page, that no one even appreciated, just to have it deleted by some frustrated teenager who lied straight to your face and attempted to blame others. So excuse me, if, after doing and dealing with all of this bullshit day in and day out, I became frustrated and left for a bit, simply to come back. This is a fucking thankless job, serving mostly thankless people. But I deal with it, why? Because god damnit I'm determined...

The thing is we want you to stay EN........ We dont want you to leave


you but in a lot of work and i dont know why qubec did it but come on man no need to get upset over this all

Again i dont know why qubec did it......... i dont know his motives and reasoning behind it........ but trust me i wish i knew.....

Elemental North wrote:Listen to me god damnit, I tried my best. I pushed, and pushed, and pushed, and pushed, you lazy fucking people to actually use the assembly like you were meant to do, considering we were the International Union ASSEMBLY, but no, you all had other things to concentrate on like fucking whaling issues. So you listen to me when I say this, I fucking tried. I adopted new format, I changed the forms of the military, I revamped the signups page, I came up with the I.U storefront idea and made the actual fucking storefront, I moderated, mitigated, and observed everything that people could get up off their ass and tell me. Val's right, most founders take a back seat to their organizations, why am I so active? BECAUSE I CARE! So don't tell me, that "nothing got done with EN and Quebec in charge". Do you know how many god damn times I had to defend your membership Zatak, because so many people think you're a horse's ass? Too many than I'd like to mention. All you ever did was sit there and complain, and try and coup, and pretend like you deserved respect, and then try to paint everyone in a worse light than you, so you could seize power, despite being almost as bad as the people you slandered. And that goes for alot of you, sitting here pretending to be so damn shocked that this happened to us, AGAIN. How are you shocked? You don't do anything, and the things that are give to you to take care of, end up floundering anyway. You aren't the one who constantly has to build trust and relationships with new people, both out of necessity and fear that you'll eventually have to do their jobs for them because they'll most likely end up being incompetent. You're not the one that took hours trying to come up with fresh new ideas to get everyone going, just to have them die in the water because people are preoccupied with crap. You're not the one who spent hours coding a signups page, that no one even appreciated, just to have it deleted by some frustrated teenager who lied straight to your face and attempted to blame others. So excuse me, if, after doing and dealing with all of this bullshit day in and day out, I became frustrated and left for a bit, simply to come back. This is a fucking thankless job, serving mostly thankless people. But I deal with it, why? Because god damnit I'm determined...

Also keep in mind we said Qubec and tuva never did anything

ZATAK wrote:

Elemental North wrote:Listen to me god damnit, I tried my best. I pushed, and pushed, and pushed, and pushed, you lazy fucking people to actually use the assembly like you were meant to do, considering we were the International Union ASSEMBLY, but no, you all had other things to concentrate on like fucking whaling issues. So you listen to me when I say this, I fucking tried. I adopted new format, I changed the forms of the military, I revamped the signups page, I came up with the I.U storefront idea and made the actual fucking storefront, I moderated, mitigated, and observed everything that people could get up off their ass and tell me. Val's right, most founders take a back seat to their organizations, why am I so active? BECAUSE I CARE! So don't tell me, that "nothing got done with EN and Quebec in charge". Do you know how many god damn times I had to defend your membership Zatak, because so many people think you're a horse's ass? Too many than I'd like to mention. All you ever did was sit there and complain, and try and coup, and pretend like you deserved respect, and then try to paint everyone in a worse light than you, so you could seize power, despite being almost as bad as the people you slandered. And that goes for alot of you, sitting here pretending to be so damn shocked that this happened to us, AGAIN. How are you shocked? You don't do anything, and the things that are give to you to take care of, end up floundering anyway. You aren't the one who constantly has to build trust and relationships with new people, both out of necessity and fear that you'll eventually have to do their jobs for them because they'll most likely end up being incompetent. You're not the one that took hours trying to come up with fresh new ideas to get everyone going, just to have them die in the water because people are preoccupied with crap. You're not the one who spent hours coding a signups page, that no one even appreciated, just to have it deleted by some frustrated teenager who lied straight to your face and attempted to blame others. So excuse me, if, after doing and dealing with all of this bullshit day in and day out, I became frustrated and left for a bit, simply to come back. This is a fucking thankless job, serving mostly thankless people. But I deal with it, why? Because god damnit I'm determined...

The thing is we want you to stay EN........ We dont want you to leave


you but in a lot of work and i dont know why qubec did it but come on man no need to get upset over this all

Again i dont know why qubec did it......... i dont know his motives and reasoning behind it........ but trust me i wish i knew.....

I know, I'm sorry, I just....had to vent...you know?

Elemental North wrote:

ZATAK wrote:The thing is we want you to stay EN........ We dont want you to leave


you but in a lot of work and i dont know why qubec did it but come on man no need to get upset over this all

Again i dont know why qubec did it......... i dont know his motives and reasoning behind it........ but trust me i wish i knew.....

I know, I'm sorry, I just....had to vent...you know?

I just want to know........... why qubec did it............. i want to know why he would do it

I will stick to my position on this and stick to the government and military area

ZATAK wrote:

Elemental North wrote:
I know, I'm sorry, I just....had to vent...you know?

I just want to know........... why qubec did it............. i want to know why he would do it

I'm sure it was because he was angry with me/us for removing him from the presidency, but he did the one before too, when the flag was black, and that didn't have and provoctation at all.

Elemental North wrote:

ZATAK wrote:I just want to know........... why qubec did it............. i want to know why he would do it

I'm sure it was because he was angry with me/us for removing him from the presidency, but he did the one before too, when the flag was black, and that didn't have and provoctation at all.

Can i vote that qubec be officially kicked out of the IU right here.

ZATAK wrote:

Elemental North wrote:
I'm sure it was because he was angry with me/us for removing him from the presidency, but he did the one before too, when the flag was black, and that didn't have and provoctation at all.

Can i vote that qubec be officially kicked out of the IU right here.

He already resigned from the alliance.

Valaran wrote:

ZATAK wrote:Can i vote that qubec be officially kicked out of the IU right here.

He already resigned from the alliance.

So no more qubec................


Im still debating if we should of removed him..........

ZATAK wrote:

Valaran wrote:

He already resigned from the alliance.

So no more qubec................


Im still debating if we should of removed him..........

We can place him on the perma-ban list with Israela.

Elemental North wrote:

ZATAK wrote:So no more qubec................


Im still debating if we should of removed him..........

We can place him on the perma-ban list with Israela.

Was it right for us to remove him.............

ZATAK wrote:

Elemental North wrote:
We can place him on the perma-ban list with Israela.

Was it right for us to remove him.............

Maybe. I never actually took part in this stuff (mainly since I was asleep when it all went down)

But what's done is done now, we should move on.

It was right to remove him off. His roleplaying, although good, he never did anything. The last time a summit was called was when Israela was still in power, or as far as I remember; He's the only one with the account password, so he was the one who probably hacked it twice; He is the absolute worst preventer of conflicts, when he and Roski were arguing, Qubec wanted to fight, and when ZATAK got personal with him, Qubec did absolutely nothing. When the Whaling conflict absorbed a few of our nations, he joined it and encouraged members to join his side. It seemed like EN was the only person who actually knew what he was doing, and held Qubec's hand

Yes, this was terrible, but it's over for now. I think this is a sore spot for all of us, and we've already determined the cause-we're not the NTSB investigating a horrible crash, we should stop with the psychology and motives and look at preventing a similar incident.

So far, the most effective official tool we have is Executive Order 2, which mandates that Executive President, President, Vice President, and Chat Admin all keep a copy of the OPs. I"m considering expanding it to whomever would like to have a copy gets one. I can sneak in a nearly-transparent '(c) International Union' if need be.

Valdiu wrote:Yes, this was terrible, but it's over for now. I think this is a sore spot for all of us, and we've already determined the cause-we're not the NTSB investigating a horrible crash, we should stop with the psychology and motives and look at preventing a similar incident.

So far, the most effective official tool we have is Executive Order 2, which mandates that Executive President, President, Vice President, and Chat Admin all keep a copy of the OPs. I"m considering expanding it to whomever would like to have a copy gets one. I can sneak in a nearly-transparent '(c) International Union' if need be.

I like that executive order, its good to keep drafts of all these

Look. I have a feeling that President should not have access to the account for past purposes and security checks: I.E. Israela and Qubec.

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Look. I have a feeling that President should not have access to the account for past purposes and security checks: I.E. Israela and Qubec.

So who should have it then?

Executive President and Me. I've been here long enough to win his trust, and I've put lots of time and trust into this. I'll stay out of role playing in order to keep the IU safe. The President has proven unreliable with the password.

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Executive President and Me. I've been here long enough to win his trust, and I've put lots of time and trust into this. I'll stay out of role playing in order to keep the IU safe. The President has proven unreliable with the password.

who is the new president?