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Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:45 am**

Urmanian wrote:
New Sangheilios wrote:OOC: this is actually true. You can check my nations leading causes of death. I've been trying to get ritual sacrifice and capital punishment down for ages. And the cr/pf trend. Civil rights/Political freedoms have skyrocketed since the fall of the old regime.
I sincerely hope that you reconsider.

I see no IC evidence. However if all ponies in your nation are paid compensation or, even better, let go to a CoPS nation of their choice, then I may reconsider.

Everyone in New Sangheilios is allowed go anywhere of their choice as long as the nation in question has open borders. The gifting of money or property from the government to a person (or, in this case, pony) is strictly forbidden in New Sangheilios, so there is not much we can do in the line of compensation. We will try to find some way to compensate the ponies, but we are built on the sound principal that all are equal. If we give money to the ponies, we will have to give money to the people, and so forth and so forth. This is what happened to the Irish government. And New Sangheilios refuses to be Germany's bitch.

However, the Hippostanian Communist Party is currently housed in New Sangheilios. Out of good faith, we will send them back, as long as Hippostania swears that they will be treated equally to the ponies there.
Equality for ponies is not just rights for ponies. It implies that humans and ponies have the same rights.

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:47 am**

Against for membership, meh for observer.

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:47 am**

New Sangheilios wrote:If we give money to the ponies, we will have to give money to the people, and so forth and so forth. This is what happened to the Irish government. And New Sangheilios refuses to be Germany's bitch.

~~Well then obviously you should commence genocide of humans and then pay both humans and ponies compensation~~

I'll still wait for majority vote on Sangheilios, however whyever should we accept him is unknown

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:10 am**

I'm rather lukewarm of New Sangheilios as an observer... Regime changes and pony genocide are rather dark stains on their national image. But we do not wish to outright deny them as of yet should this be genuine; it would be much better if we were to keep a closer eye on how they compensate their pony population and improve their civil rights record. Would it be possible to create another category for Pending Nations?

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:48 am**

New Sangheilios wrote:Name of State: New Sangheilios
Number of Ponies Living Withing Your State: 619 (They are a minority)
Do Ponies Act As a Major Part of Your Nation's Economy or Military?: Not really, because there is only 619 of them
Do Ponies Have Equal Rights in Your Nation?: Yes

I would like to apply for observer status. I am a member of AAPS, but only to deter acts of war started by the more psychotic pony states. I wish for all sentient life, be it human, pony or otherwise to be treated instantly.

YellowApple reluctantly votes in favor of New Sangheilian observer membership if and only if the following conditions are met:

New Sangheilios will speak in favor of YellowApple's observer status in the AAPS and assist in bringing acts of genocide, or the willingness to perform acts of genocide, whether performed by the AAPS as a whole or by individual members thereof, to our attention, so that they may be handled appropriately and quickly.
New Sangheilios will maintain its policies of providing all sapient equines in its jurisdiction with the same rights as any other sapient being in its jurisdiction, including humans.

We feel that, as YellowApple is petitioning for observer status with the AAPS for the purposes of monitoring potential genocidal activities, it would only be fair to allow a member of the AAPS the same privilege for counter-monitoring, so that the AAPS as a whole can observe for themselves that their accusations of our "imperialism" are unfounded.

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:50 am**

YellowApple wrote:
New Sangheilios wrote:Name of State: New Sangheilios
Number of Ponies Living Withing Your State: 619 (They are a minority)
Do Ponies Act As a Major Part of Your Nation's Economy or Military?: Not really, because there is only 619 of them
Do Ponies Have Equal Rights in Your Nation?: Yes

I would like to apply for observer status. I am a member of AAPS, but only to deter acts of war started by the more psychotic pony states. I wish for all sentient life, be it human, pony or otherwise to be treated instantly.

YellowApple reluctantly votes in favor of New Sangheilian observer membership if and only if the following conditions are met:

New Sangheilios will speak in favor of YellowApple's observer status in the AAPS and assist in bringing acts of genocide, or the willingness to perform acts of genocide, whether performed by the AAPS as a whole or by individual members thereof, to our attention, so that they may be handled appropriately and quickly.
New Sangheilios will maintain its policies of providing all sapient equines in its jurisdiction with the same rights as any other sapient being in its jurisdiction, including humans.

We feel that, as YellowApple is petitioning for observer status with the AAPS for the purposes of monitoring potential genocidal activities, it would only be fair to allow a member of the AAPS the same privilege for counter-monitoring, so that the AAPS as a whole can observe for themselves that their accusations of our "imperialism" are unfounded.

I assure you that these conditions will be met.

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:56 am**

New Sangheilios wrote:
YellowApple wrote:
YellowApple reluctantly votes in favor of New Sangheilian observer membership if and only if the following conditions are met:

New Sangheilios will speak in favor of YellowApple's observer status in the AAPS and assist in bringing acts of genocide, or the willingness to perform acts of genocide, whether performed by the AAPS as a whole or by individual members thereof, to our attention, so that they may be handled appropriately and quickly.
New Sangheilios will maintain its policies of providing all sapient equines in its jurisdiction with the same rights as any other sapient being in its jurisdiction, including humans.

We feel that, as YellowApple is petitioning for observer status with the AAPS for the purposes of monitoring potential genocidal activities, it would only be fair to allow a member of the AAPS the same privilege for counter-monitoring, so that the AAPS as a whole can observe for themselves that their accusations of our "imperialism" are unfounded.

I assure you that these conditions will be met.

Then we are in agreement. YellowApple confirms its affirmative vote.

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:11 am**

I just thought i should let you know, that i'm not a very good Rper, i don't Godmod, but the quality of my posts is lacking

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:12 am**

Super Bwitain wrote:I just thought i should let you know, that i'm not a very good Rper, i don't Godmod, but the quality of my posts is lacking

Pity, but I hope by hanging around with chaps like YellowApple and Princess Luna you'll improve your RP skills

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:13 am**

Urmanian wrote:
Super Bwitain wrote:I just thought i should let you know, that i'm not a very good Rper, i don't Godmod, but the quality of my posts is lacking

Pity, but I hope by hanging around with chaps like YellowApple and Princess Luna you'll improve your RP skills

Yeah, that was one of the reasons why i joined, to improve.

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:15 am**

Super Bwitain wrote:
Urmanian wrote:
Pity, but I hope by hanging around with chaps like YellowApple and Princess Luna you'll improve your RP skills

Yeah, that was one of the reasons why i joined, to improve.

OOC: Well, then welcome.

But we should keep the OOC chatter in the OOC thread, lest we get this one locked too.

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:28 am**

From the Imperial and Royal Foreign Ministry
To the Pony Republic of Hippostania
Encryption Level: Unencrypted

Mesdames et Messieurs

I apologise but what have you all been smoking recently?! I have three million Gulden receipt for aspirin and general pain-killers. Who's gonna pay?

Yours Sincerely
The Acting Imperial and Royal Foreign Minister
Melanie Julie Reichsgräfin von Jülichgrätz

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:01 am**

Urmanian wrote:
Super Bwitain wrote:I just thought i should let you know, that i'm not a very good Rper, i don't Godmod, but the quality of my posts is lacking

Pity, but I hope by hanging around with chaps like YellowApple and Princess Luna you'll improve your RP skills

OOC:
> is not worthy of mention
> sadface

I suppose I need to do moar RP's with ponies. :/

On a more serious note, it is definitely a good idea to hang around the more experienced RP'ers, as you can learn a lot from them.

New Sangheilios wrote:Name of State: New Sangheilios
Number of Ponies Living Withing Your State: 619 (They are a minority)
Do Ponies Act As a Major Part of Your Nation's Economy or Military?: Not really, because there is only 619 of them
Do Ponies Have Equal Rights in Your Nation?: Yes

I would like to apply for observer status. I am a member of AAPS, but only to deter acts of war started by the more psychotic pony states. I wish for all sentient life, be it human, pony or otherwise to be treated instantly.

Strongly Opposed. The Republic believes that it would be highly counterproductive to accept this state as a member of this coalition.

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:10 am**

I vote Nay for any kind of membership of New Sangheilios as long as they are apart of the Alliance Aganist Ponyist States.

OOC: love the nation name though

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:15 am**

Adun wrote:I vote Nay for any kind of membership of New Sangheilios as long as they are apart of the Alliance Aganist Ponyist States.

OOC: love the nation name though

OOC: Ok, ok, I can see where this is going. I'll back off. But, in the event that the AAPS, any of it's members or any other nation has committed or is planning to commit genocide or other unjustnesses to ponies due to the fact that they are ponies, I will be sure to alert you, for the sake of fairness, equality and justice.

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:16 am**

Name of State: The Beastling States of Crystal Spires
Number of Ponies Living Within Your State: fifty-one million four hundred sixty-five thousand.
Do Ponies Act As a Major Part of Your Nation's Economy or Military?: Military is a voluntary service, and most ponies are by their very nature uninterested in fighting ever, much less voluntarily. As for Economically, of course. There's several Pony owned private businesses which have strong headquarters in major cities.
Do Ponies Have Equal Rights in Your Nation?:

Crystal Spires Official Charter of Protected Rights:

I. All reasoned beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act kindly towards one another in a spirit of goodness.

II. Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Charter, without distinction of any kind, such as race, color, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth, blood type, or any other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the Nation State to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

It's Pretty clear that the ponies are an ethnicity of the beastling race. They're protected by law, and held to the highest standard of protection as a citizen and even an ambassador in Crystal Spires.

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:21 am**

If such a case exists that the Alliance of Anti Ponyist States (AAPS) is to allow YellowApple observer status in their union. The Shadow Coporation Agrees, that New Sangheilios should be allowed to join The Coalition of Ponyist States (CoPs) in the capacity of an observer as well.

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:24 am**

Crystal Spires wrote:Snip.

Aye for membership!

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:25 am**

LONG LIVE THE ALLIANCE AGAINST PONYIST STATES WHOOO

I HATE PONYIST STATES

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:25 am**

New Sangheilios wrote:
Adun wrote:I vote Nay for any kind of membership of New Sangheilios as long as they are apart of the Alliance Aganist Ponyist States.

OOC: love the nation name though

OOC: Ok, ok, I can see where this is going. I'll back off. But, in the event that the AAPS, any of it's members or any other nation has committed or is planning to commit genocide or other unjustnesses to ponies due to the fact that they are ponies, I will be sure to alert you, for the sake of fairness, equality and justice.

Thank you

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:32 am**

Crystal Spires accepted. No objections?

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:46 am**

Urmanian wrote:Crystal Spires accepted. No objections?

None whatsoever from YellowApple.

New Sangheilios wrote:
Adun wrote:I vote Nay for any kind of membership of New Sangheilios as long as they are apart of the Alliance Aganist Ponyist States.

OOC: love the nation name though

OOC: Ok, ok, I can see where this is going. I'll back off. But, in the event that the AAPS, any of it's members or any other nation has committed or is planning to commit genocide or other unjustnesses to ponies due to the fact that they are ponies, I will be sure to alert you, for the sake of fairness, equality and justice.

We appreciate your willingness to assist in ensuring that genocidal actions do not occur without appropriate repercussions. Even if New Sangheilian membership is ultimately rejected, you have our gratitude and support, though we also will understandably keep a wary eye on all members of the AAPS, for our own safety.

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:48 am**

Urmanian wrote:Crystal Spires accepted. No objections?

No objections to Crystal Spires becoming a full member of the Coalition.

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:49 am**

Lubyak wrote:
Urmanian wrote:Crystal Spires accepted. No objections?

No objections to Crystal Spires becoming a full member of the Coalition.

None here as well.

Posted: **Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:51 am**

YellowApple wrote:We appreciate your willingness to assist in ensuring that genocidal actions do not occur without appropriate repercussions. Even if New Sangheilian membership is ultimately rejected, you have our gratitude and support, though we also will understandably keep a wary eye on all members of the AAPS, for our own safety.

Giving a nation that states "however, once they begin forcing ponyism on other states, they become a problem that has to be neutralised", which basically means "once they try to restore civil rights, most importantly freedom of conscience and thought, in a state that quells them, they become a problem that has to be neutralised" means to spy on the Coalition may seem a rather silly idea, but probably it's just me.

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