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Vanitan
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Postby Vanitan » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:56 pm

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Postby Muzztopia » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:18 pm

Bratislav wrote:
Valaran wrote:

So apart form approving this in our council, is the merger ready?


yeah pretty much....I Guess Gibberan, you agree with the HQ and RRF Base locations?

By The order of Emperor Richard IV, Foreign Minister Princess Sarah of Muzztopia and Antares Scorpi, Prince James of Muzztopia and Antares Scorpi, Defense Minister General Erik Johnson, Deputy Defense Minister Kiki Kirishima and General Yuki Kirishima the is here by Approved

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Postby Valaran » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:22 pm

Muzztopia wrote:
Bratislav wrote:
yeah pretty much....I Guess Gibberan, you agree with the HQ and RRF Base locations?

By The order of Emperor Richard IV, Foreign Minister Princess Sarah of Muzztopia and Antares Scorpi, Prince James of Muzztopia and Antares Scorpi, Defense Minister General Erik Johnson, Deputy Defense Minister Kiki Kirishima and General Yuki Kirishima the is here by Approved



And by order order of Prime Minster James Alstan, foreign secretary Eric Nygaard, Ambassador Seward, and Emperor Edric Skaran III, this merger and the formation of the IFC is hereby Approved on behalf of the Valaran Empire.
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Postby Gibberan » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:42 pm

Bratislav wrote:
Valaran wrote:

So apart form approving this in our council, is the merger ready?


yeah pretty much....I Guess Gibberan, you agree with the HQ and RRF Base locations?

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Postby New Carloso » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:17 pm

With the support of the Carlossian parliament and people, the merger of the International Freedom Alliance and the Western Coalition is hereby APPROVED.

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Postby Elemental North » Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:41 pm

By the authority therefore invested in me by the office of Transfer-Interior Minister, I hereby certify the below vote to be accurate and true:

7 AYES
0 ABSTENTIONS
0 NAYS


TIME LEFT FOR VOTING: 1 DAY

APPROVAL GAINED FROM:


[X] Founders
[X] Transfer Council
[X] General Memebers
[ ] Respective Alliance Councils
[ ] Quorum of new federation members by vote close date.
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Postby Bratislav » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:09 pm

Republic of Bratislav votes 'Aye' and also commends Elemental North for the nice voting results box. 8)
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Postby Elemental North » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:16 pm

Bratislav wrote:Republic of Bratislav votes 'Aye' and also commends Elemental North for the nice voting results box. 8)


Noted, and thank you. Administrative works are my forte!. lol :p
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Postby Bratislav » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:44 pm

Here's the final Merger information list, it is what I will submit for approval by the IFA Council:

Status of IFA-WC Merger talks

  • Philosophy/Mission (FINALIZED)
    The Alliance's essential purpose is to safeguard the freedom and security of its members through political and military means.The Alliance believes in democratic values and encourages consultation and cooperation on defence and security issues to build trust and, in the long run, prevent conflict. The Alliance is committed to the peaceful resolution of disputes. If diplomatic efforts fail, it has the military capacity (Rapid Reaction Force) needed to undertake crisis-management operations. The Rapid Reaction Force is a force composed of military contributions of fellow IFA members - it serves to directly aid in the defence of member-states. The Alliance is committed to the principle that an attack against one or several members is considered as an attack against all. The Core Tasks of the Alliance are collective defence, crisis-management and cooperative security. In all, The Alliance stands as a security organization for moderate nations that values democracy and freedom. We stand as an alliance opposed to extremism, authoritarianism, terrorism, and communism. We accept countries into the alliance who similarly value these ideals and strive for a society that is based on the principles of freedom, liberty, and democratic governance.
  • Application Form (FINALIZED)
    Basics:
    Formal Nation Name:
    Head of State:
    Head of Government:
    Military Size: (_/10)
    Nuclear Arsenal (if any):
    Goals (optional):
    Capital city:
    National Creation and Brief History of your nation:
    Language:
    Demonym:
    Economic System:

    Does your nation have...
    Freedom of speech
    Freedom of conscience
    Freedom of assembly
    Freedom of religion
    Freedom of movement
    The right to a fair trial
    Universal adult suffrage
    Racial discrimination
    Religious discrimination
    Gender discrimination
    LGBT discrimination
    Laws to prevent racial/religious/gender/LGBT discrimination
    Slavery
    Is your Government by the people (exercised either directly or through elected representatives)?
    How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right):

    Name of Ambassador to the Council:
    Do you hereby agree to abide by the terms and conditions set forth by the Alliance's Charter?

    Name of Military:
    Branches of Military:
    What other military alliances are you a part of:

    Does your nation have an IIwiki page as of yet?
    RP example:
    Reason for Joining:
  • Governance Structure/Council (FINALIZED)
    We have agreed to adopt the IFA Governance Structure with a few more positions in the Cabinet. This is how the general structure looks like:

    Executive Heads
    The 2 Secretary Generals: Bratislav and Gibberan. They are permanent positions that play key administrative roles, accept/reject members, and work with the Prime Minister in heading the Alliance. They are the dual Executive Head of the Alliance. They have a right to dismiss the Prime Minister and his Cabinet if they feel that they have done a poor job and/or have worked against the interests of the alliance. In practice, they will let the PM take a more active role in the administrative duties of the Alliance.

    Cabinet
    Prime Minister(leads the cabinet, helps with administrative duties along side Founders, accepts/rejects members, serves as speaker in IFA Council) [elected]
    -Foreign Minister (responsible for representing alliance in international settings and recruitment) [appointed by Prime Minister]
    -Deputy FM (helps with recruiting) [appointed by FM]
    -Defense Minister (leads the RRF) [elected]
    -Deputy FM (helps with activities of the RRF, can lead the RRF is DM is unavailable) [appointed by DM]
    -Treasurer [appointed by the Prime Minister]
    -Graphics Designer [appointed by Prime Minister]

    IFC Council
    This council represents all the members of the alliance through their representatives. Any major decision must get approval from the IFC Council. This is the main legislative body of the alliance and all the key decisions and discussions go through here.
  • Alliance Name: International Freedom Coalition (FINALIZED)
  • Alliance Logo (FINALIZED)
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  • Logistics (main thread, elections, transitional council etc) (FINALIZED)
    1)We will integrate existing resolutions from the two alliances.

    2)We will have these threads:
    -OOC/Signup thread (this is the main thread of the alliance, elections take place here)
    -News Thread (member-states post news stories occurring in their countries)
    -Council Thread (IC thread for the IFC Council)

    3)We will have an IFC Admin account for the OP post of each of the IFC threads. Only Gibberan and Bratislav will have access to that account. This joint account is more for being able to edit the OPs of the IFC threads.

    4)The IFC HQ is located in Musrum, Bratislav while the main Rapid Reaction Force Base of the IFC is located in Gibberan.

    5)The Transitional Council is the following until elections are held (in approximately 2 weeks):
    Secretary-Generals: Bratislav and Gibberan
    Prime Minister: Elemental North
    Foreign Minister: Valaran and Flardania
    Defense Minister: New Carloso
    Energy/Treasurer positions suspended till the elections.


    6)Encouraged editing and use of the iiwiki page: http://iiwiki.com/wiki/International_Freedom_Coalition
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Postby Flardania » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:59 pm

With the support of I, Lady Satsuki Kiryuin, the consultation of Parliament, and by the Grace of the Goddess Illias The Anime Reality Republic of Flardania the merger of the International Freedom Alliance and the Western Coalition is hereby APPROVED
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Postby Bratislav » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:38 pm

I have submitted the Merger proposal to the IFA Council for approval. Please note the merger is not officially complete and finalized until it is officially approved by the IFA Council. Given the importance of the resolution, I want a majority of IFA members to vote on the resolution and voice their opinion regarding the merger.

I assume WC will do the same with their council.
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Postby Rentalla » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:53 am

As a member of both the IFA and WC the Imperial Republic of Rentalla is pleased with the results of this council. The merger of the IFA and WC is hereby APPROVED.
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Postby Organized States » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:03 am

I might be over thinking this here, but would a logistical command element be something IFC has?

It would allow for us to more easily perform airlifts, move supplies/equipment, provide Ariel Refueling, etc (all of which are things I take great pride in my nation having the ability)...
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Postby Valaran » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:07 am

Organized States wrote:I might be over thinking this here, but would a logistical command element be something IFC has?

It would allow for us to more easily perform airlifts, move supplies/equipment, provide Ariel Refueling, etc (all of which are things I take great pride in my nation having the ability)...



I would have thought much of this came under the control of RRF leadership (ie the defense minister) who would also have to deal with the logistics of the RRF. Of course, I am sure you can still contribute to this force in the logistical department, by donating things like C130s, fuel planes, etc (or try and become defense minister :p )

But for non military matters, I didn't think anyone has official authority... (so I guess yeah)

What exactly were you thinking this would be for?
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Postby Organized States » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:27 am

Valaran wrote:
Organized States wrote:I might be over thinking this here, but would a logistical command element be something IFC has?

It would allow for us to more easily perform airlifts, move supplies/equipment, provide Ariel Refueling, etc (all of which are things I take great pride in my nation having the ability)...



I would have thought much of this came under the control of RRF leadership (ie the defense minister) who would also have to deal with the logistics of the RRF. Of course, I am sure you can still contribute to this force in the logistical department, by donating things like C130s, fuel planes, etc (or try and become defense minister :p )

But for non military matters, I didn't think anyone has official authority... (so I guess yeah)

What exactly were you thinking this would be for?

I was thinking, should IFC ever have to respond to a humanitarian crisis, do we have any non-overtly military assets in the RRF (Infantry Men and Armor can't really clean up after an earthquake, or provide medical and logistical support), so I'm proposing that we have a separate Material Command, that would supply RRF, as well as have the capability to operate without RRF.
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Postby Valaran » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:31 am

Organized States wrote:
Valaran wrote:

I would have thought much of this came under the control of RRF leadership (ie the defense minister) who would also have to deal with the logistics of the RRF. Of course, I am sure you can still contribute to this force in the logistical department, by donating things like C130s, fuel planes, etc (or try and become defense minister :p )

But for non military matters, I didn't think anyone has official authority... (so I guess yeah)

What exactly were you thinking this would be for?

I was thinking, should IFC ever have to respond to a humanitarian crisis, do we have any non-overtly military assets in the RRF (Infantry Men and Armor can't really clean up after an earthquake, or provide medical and logistical support), so I'm proposing that we have a separate Material Command, that would supply RRF, as well as have the capability to operate without RRF.




Back in the IFA there was some vague proposal of an aid ministry, but it never got off the ground...


I personally think it should focus on aid rather than logistics for both (better to keep the military stuff one department so that when we need it, the army can get there on its own accord).


But otherwise? Absolutuely :)
There should definitely be something like this in place to help member states (an on occasion, everyone else)... so I would happily propose this as the first issue for the IFC council to vote on.


What does everyone else think?
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Postby Organized States » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:33 am

Valaran wrote:
Organized States wrote:I was thinking, should IFC ever have to respond to a humanitarian crisis, do we have any non-overtly military assets in the RRF (Infantry Men and Armor can't really clean up after an earthquake, or provide medical and logistical support), so I'm proposing that we have a separate Material Command, that would supply RRF, as well as have the capability to operate without RRF.




Back in the IFA there was some vague proposal of an aid ministry, but it never got off the ground...


I personally think it should focus on aid rather than logistics for both (better to keep the military stuff one department so that when we need it, the army can get there on its own accord).


But otherwise? Absolutuely :)
There should definitely be something like this in place to help member states (an on occasion, everyone else)... so I would happily propose this as the first issue for the IFC council to vote on.

Ok, still I'll back that proposal for the Aid Ministry...

EDIT: Who uses Probe refueling for their aircraft?
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Postby Vanitan » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:38 am

Organized States wrote:
Valaran wrote:


Back in the IFA there was some vague proposal of an aid ministry, but it never got off the ground...


I personally think it should focus on aid rather than logistics for both (better to keep the military stuff one department so that when we need it, the army can get there on its own accord).


But otherwise? Absolutuely :)
There should definitely be something like this in place to help member states (an on occasion, everyone else)... so I would happily propose this as the first issue for the IFC council to vote on.

Ok, still I'll back that proposal for the Aid Ministry...

EDIT: Who uses Probe refueling for their aircraft?

Me why?
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Postby Valaran » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:39 am

Organized States wrote:
Valaran wrote:


Back in the IFA there was some vague proposal of an aid ministry, but it never got off the ground...


I personally think it should focus on aid rather than logistics for both (better to keep the military stuff one department so that when we need it, the army can get there on its own accord).


But otherwise? Absolutuely :)
There should definitely be something like this in place to help member states (an on occasion, everyone else)... so I would happily propose this as the first issue for the IFC council to vote on.

Ok, still I'll back that proposal for the Aid Ministry...




Well that idea hasn't been around for some time now (and I totally forgot about asking for one in the merger talks) :p

Anyways, I like your idea more, as the logistics front is something that many nations often don't address adequately. It also makes it easier for more nations to contribute aid collectively (especially smaller ones without large apparatus to do so normally)
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Postby Organized States » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:41 am

Vanitan wrote:
Organized States wrote:Ok, still I'll back that proposal for the Aid Ministry...

EDIT: Who uses Probe refueling for their aircraft?

Me why?

Ok, I'm using the Boom, and trying to decide whether putting both systems on my KC-46s is practical (I barely use Probe).

Valaran wrote:
Organized States wrote:Ok, still I'll back that proposal for the Aid Ministry...




Well that idea hasn't been around for some time now (and I totally forgot about asking for one in the merger talks) :p

Anyways, I like your idea more, as the logistics front is something that many nations often don't address adequately. It also makes it easier for more nations to contribute aid collectively (especially smaller ones without large apparatus to do so normally)

The Logistics Command is probably something we'll need in the RFF (I'd be happy to take it :D), and I've got a large amount of transport and tanker aircraft.
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Postby Vanitan » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:42 am

Valaran wrote:
Organized States wrote:Ok, still I'll back that proposal for the Aid Ministry...




Well that idea hasn't been around for some time now (and I totally forgot about asking for one in the merger talks) :p

Anyways, I like your idea more, as the logistics front is something that many nations often don't address adequately. It also makes it easier for more nations to contribute aid collectively (especially smaller ones without large apparatus to do so normally)


Here's a thought if it hasn't already been said,
We should make a hyper realistic alliance with natural resource limits and caps on man power!
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Postby Vanitan » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:43 am

Organized States wrote:
The Logistics Command is probably something we'll need in the RFF (I'd be happy to take it :D), and I've got a large amount of transport and tanker aircraft.


Woah Woah Woah Brat! If this gets made i want a treaty drafting office

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Postby Bratislav » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:46 am

Guys, we can discuss about opening such regional offices once the alliance has officially been established and started. For the purposes of starting the IFC, we just have the main HQ (in Bratislav) and the main RRF Military Base (in Gibberan). Further regional offices can be also established and will be something for us to discuss in the IFC Council. :)
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Postby Valaran » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:48 am

Organized States wrote:
Vanitan wrote:Me why?

Ok, I'm using the Boom, and trying to decide whether putting both systems on my KC-46s is practical (I barely use Probe).

Valaran wrote:


Well that idea hasn't been around for some time now (and I totally forgot about asking for one in the merger talks) :p

Anyways, I like your idea more, as the logistics front is something that many nations often don't address adequately. It also makes it easier for more nations to contribute aid collectively (especially smaller ones without large apparatus to do so normally)

The Logistics Command is probably something we'll need in the RFF (I'd be happy to take it :D), and I've got a large amount of transport and tanker aircraft.




Its seems more practical to have the other system as well.

Yeah, that might be sub position under the defense minister, though of course, he could handle it himself, or you could just donate a few aircraft :p. That's not my call at the moment though, as I don't have much in the way of interior power...
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Postby Valaran » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:49 am

Bratislav wrote:Guys, we can discuss about opening such regional offices once the alliance has officially been established and started. For the purposes of starting the IFC, we just have the main HQ (in Bratislav) and the main RRF Military Base (in Gibberan). Further regional offices can be also established and will be something for us to discuss in the IFC Council. :)



Yeah, as I said, this should be the first proposal in the IFC council. :)
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Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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