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Reatra wrote:

New Rnclave wrote:
Buying land is a lot different then taking it in war, and there's no guarantee I'll even go through with it.

Vancouver dude, Vancouver and Oregon would be built up more to serve my needs in the Pacific.

The USA isn't very good at having the government do things, which is why they let the free market do it.

what on earth are you on about

the US' westward expansion was basically only possible because of government policies

Alaska wasn't just bought because it was MORE LAND, but because Russia was a feudal absolute monarchy, the kind that the USA hates especially, they bought Alaska too get rid of monarchies in the Americas, and made propaganda afterwards implying that the British monarch was next.

Negara-West Hesia wrote:

Reatra wrote:
The USA isn't very good at having the government do things, which is why they let the free market do it.

what on earth are you on about

the US' westward expansion was basically only possible because of government policies

Rnclave hasn't even finished their app I don't think. I know they haven't posted in the IC.

Reatra wrote:Alaska wasn't just bought because it was MORE LAND, but because Russia was a feudal absolute monarchy, the kind that the USA hates especially, they bought Alaska too get rid of monarchies in the Americas, and made propaganda afterwards implying that the British monarch was next.

Literally none of this is true. I would ask what California puts in their water supply, but considering they currently do not have any i can't

But literally that is not why. Like literally no. Literally everyone mocked Seward for purchasing Alaska, literally everyone. It became fun like 20 years later.

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:

Reatra wrote:Alaska wasn't just bought because it was MORE LAND, but because Russia was a feudal absolute monarchy, the kind that the USA hates especially, they bought Alaska to get rid of monarchies in the Americas, and made propaganda afterwards implying that the British monarch was next.

Literally none of this is true. I would ask what California puts in their water supply, but considering they currently do not have any i can't

But literally that is not why. Like literally no. Literally everyone mocked Seward for purchasing Alaska, literally everyone. It became fun like 20 years later.

Doesn't matter if he was mocked, the monarchy part was true. I'd get posters from the era but I'm in class.

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:Alaska was also virtually next to the US and was bought for very little, where as WPNG is an ocean away and is being sold for 400 billion dollars.

You also have to look at when these resources became available. If the cooper was not able to be mined until the 1950s because it was too deep/whatever, it means it is irrelevant in 1898.

Still doesn't change the fact that the land is literally worthless and "people want more" still does not justify throwing that much money at it.

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Reatra wrote:

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:
Literally none of this is true. I would ask what California puts in their water supply, but considering they currently do not have any i can't

But literally that is not why. Like literally no. Literally everyone mocked Seward for purchasing Alaska, literally everyone. It became fun like 20 years later.

Doesn't matter if he was mocked, the monarchy part was true. I'd get posters from the era but I'm in class.

I mean it's not but okay considering literally no one supported the idea.

The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:Alaska was also virtually next to the US and was bought for very little, where as WPNG is an ocean away and is being sold for 400 billion dollars.

You also have to look at when these resources became available. If the cooper was not able to be mined until the 1950s because it was too deep/whatever, it means it is irrelevant in 1898.

Still doesn't change the fact that the land is literally worthless and "people want more" still does not justify throwing that much money at it.

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None of this is relevant in the slightest but sure.

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:

Reatra wrote:Alaska wasn't just bought because it was MORE LAND, but because Russia was a feudal absolute monarchy, the kind that the USA hates especially, they bought Alaska too get rid of monarchies in the Americas, and made propaganda afterwards implying that the British monarch was next.

Literally none of this is true. I would ask what California puts in their water supply, but considering they currently do not have any i can't

But literally that is not why. Like literally no. Literally everyone mocked Seward for purchasing Alaska, literally everyone. It became fun like 20 years later.

Technically untrue. The purchase of Alaska was met with mixed reactions, with many celebrating it, and many dismissing it. It's only in recent decades that revisionists have portrayed it as a perceived mistake by the government, and "Seward's Folly" entered school textbooks.

Reatra wrote:Alaska wasn't just bought because it was MORE LAND, but because Russia was a feudal absolute monarchy, the kind that the USA hates especially, they bought Alaska too get rid of monarchies in the Americas, and made propaganda afterwards implying that the British monarch was next.

No. America liked Russia, and Russia liked America. Similarly, Russia sold Alaska to America to counter British Canada, and because Russia was poor. Russia knew they couldn't keep Alaska if the British Empire attacked for it, so they gave it to America. America liked it because it continued to remove foreign powers from the continent, expanded American territories and reach, and set the way for the future (perceived) annexation of B.C. The Russian Empire and the United States had had favorable relations ever since America declared independence, regardless of Russia's status as an absolute monarchy.

Reatra wrote:Alaska wasn't just bought because it was MORE LAND, but because Russia was a feudal absolute monarchy, the kind that the USA hates especially, they bought Alaska too get rid of monarchies in the Americas, and made propaganda afterwards implying that the British monarch was next.

no lol it was bought because it was for sale

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The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:
A map from 1945 is literally irrelevant.

Anyone willing to throw a few hundred billion at half of a worthless, uncolonizable, island ICly really, really concerns me.

"everyone wants land" is not justification for a silly land purchase.

New Guinea has been proven to have deposits of copper, gold, and oil. That makes it valuable, even if it's just a little amount of those resources. Heck, America bought Alaska back before anyone knew it was valuable, because they felt like it and wanted MORE LAND.

it's worthless because all of those resources can't be exploited atm

also cool it with the spam

Negara-West Hesia wrote:

The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:New Guinea has been proven to have deposits of copper, gold, and oil. That makes it valuable, even if it's just a little amount of those resources. Heck, America bought Alaska back before anyone knew it was valuable, because they felt like it and wanted MORE LAND.

it's worthless because all of those resources can't be exploited atm

also cool it with the spam

Just trying to prove that Westerners wanted land for the sake of having land.
EDIT: pretty much done now.

The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:

Negara-West Hesia wrote:it's worthless because all of those resources can't be exploited atm

also cool it with the spam

Just trying to prove that Westerners wanted land for the sake of having land.
EDIT: pretty much done now.

they did, but it wasn't in everyone's interest to go around buying random plots lol

the US buying west-papua is completely nonsensical tbh, considering it's completely beyond their sphere of influence, and it isn't even valuable as a naval base like the Philippines is

Maybe he just wants it. Why do you people care so much how people throw away their money? It doesn't do anything to you.

Negara-West Hesia wrote:

The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:Just trying to prove that Westerners wanted land for the sake of having land.
EDIT: pretty much done now.

they did, but it wasn't in everyone's interest to go around buying random plots lol

the US buying west-papua is completely nonsensical tbh, considering it's completely beyond their sphere of influence, and it isn't even valuable as a naval base like the Philippines is

I don't actually plan on buying it. It was an idea for awhile, but I have no point of resupply, and can't really rule over it.

New Rnclave wrote:

Negara-West Hesia wrote:they did, but it wasn't in everyone's interest to go around buying random plots lol

the US buying west-papua is completely nonsensical tbh, considering it's completely beyond their sphere of influence, and it isn't even valuable as a naval base like the Philippines is

I don't actually plan on buying it. It was an idea for awhile, but I have no point of resupply, and can't really rule over it.

Again, I can fix that.

Rattanakosin is willing to buy Cochinchina and Annam for 80 Million Guilders in the form of gold bullion, gemstones, and other trade goods paid out over the next decade. The Dutch would retain leases on the major port facilities for that decade, as well as a lowered tax rate for a further fifty years.

I've had it up to here with the OOC dick waving, alliance/economic proposals, and nonsensical ideas for land purchases.

Stop, everyone, lest there be consequences.

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Rattanakosin is willing to buy Cochinchina and Annam for 80 Million Guilders in the form of gold bullion, gemstones, and other trade goods paid out over the next decade. The Dutch would retain leases on the major port facilities for that decade, as well as a lowered tax rate for a further fifty years.

Too late. It's Japan's. I'm paying him 100 million guilders and giving him leases on naval bases in Korea and the Izu Islands.

Sanabel wrote:I've had it up to here with the OOC dick waving, alliance/economic proposals, and nonsensical ideas for land purchases.

Stop, everyone, lest there be consequences.

New Guinea was my only nonsensical idea.

The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Rattanakosin is willing to buy Cochinchina and Annam for 80 Million Guilders in the form of gold bullion, gemstones, and other trade goods paid out over the next decade. The Dutch would retain leases on the major port facilities for that decade, as well as a lowered tax rate for a further fifty years.

Too late. It's Japan's. I'm paying him 100 million guilders and giving him leases on naval bases in Korea and the Izu Islands.

No it's not. Nothing has been signed IC. OOC agreements matter not.

And you've not made any effort to make loans or make a purchasing plan, which would be needed if you're spending 10% of your national GDP.

The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Rattanakosin is willing to buy Cochinchina and Annam for 80 Million Guilders in the form of gold bullion, gemstones, and other trade goods paid out over the next decade. The Dutch would retain leases on the major port facilities for that decade, as well as a lowered tax rate for a further fifty years.

Too late. It's Japan's. I'm paying him 100 million guilders and giving him leases on naval bases in Korea and the Izu Islands.

Just a reminder:

paying a hundred million guilders in 1898 is going to leave you bankrupt, unable to pay your soldiers and your civil servants.

New Rnclave wrote:

Sanabel wrote:I've had it up to here with the OOC dick waving, alliance/economic proposals, and nonsensical ideas for land purchases.

Stop, everyone, lest there be consequences.

New Guinea was my only nonsensical idea.

Better be.

Now finish your app before I open up your reservation.

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:

The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:Too late. It's Japan's. I'm paying him 100 million guilders and giving him leases on naval bases in Korea and the Izu Islands.

Just a reminder:

paying a hundred million guilders in 1898 is going to leave you bankrupt, unable to pay your soldiers and your civil servants.

Hence those aforementioned loans