War and Peace (OOC/Closed)

[The Danish Confederacy]

*Plots to anschluss Canada and Mexico. Is probably an idiot*

[Ruridova]

A rule worth remembering:

3. Keep your nations within reason, complete realism is not a requirement but some degree of it is encouraged.

[Luziyca]

A rule worth remembering:

3. Keep your nations within reason, complete realism is not a requirement but some degree of it is encouraged.

So China can't into Africa?

Boo.

[Bojikami]

Thanks, Boji.

*plots to anchluss Central Asia, some Pacific islands, maybe Philippines and even go as far west as Uganda, Kenya, and Madagascar... is probably getting too far ahead of myself*

Realism, keep it within realism.

[Luziyca]

Thanks, Boji.

*plots to anchluss Central Asia, some Pacific islands, maybe Philippines and even go as far west as Uganda, Kenya, and Madagascar... is probably getting too far ahead of myself*

Realism, keep it within realism.

Alright... though AWWA was realistic.

[Ruridova]

Realism, keep it within realism.

Alright... though AWWA was realistic.

AWWA was a mixture of fever dreams and alien space bats. Realism was almost antithetical to AWWA on most occasions.

[Of the Quendi]

I'd imagine roughly OTL, maybe with Wallonia added in for good measure. ^^

It doesn't make much sense for the coalition to diminish the size of France without deposing Napoleon. Of the Great Powers Austria was the only one that wasn't absolutely hell bent on removing Napoleon at all costs. For Russia, Prussia and the United Kingdom allowing a non-Napoleonic France to retain control over the the western bank of the Rhine would have been far preferred to reducing a France led by Napoleon to its 1792 borders.

[Unicario]

I'd imagine roughly OTL, maybe with Wallonia added in for good measure. ^^

It doesn't make much sense for the coalition to diminish the size of France without deposing Napoleon. Of the Great Powers Austria was the only one that wasn't absolutely hell bent on removing Napoleon at all costs. For Russia, Prussia and the United Kingdom allowing a non-Napoleonic France to retain control over the the western bank of the Rhine would have been far preferred to reducing a France led by Napoleon to its 1792 borders.

But with Napoleon having lost the first round, and then winning at Waterloo (during the 100 days), and then being deposed again as per your sign-up (Louis Philippe I), it would make sense for France to be basically at 1792 borders plus Wallonia and Luxembourg. ^^

[Unicario]

Alright... though AWWA was realistic.

AWWA was a mixture of fever dreams and alien space bats. Realism was almost antithetical to AWWA on most occasions.

[Of the Quendi]

But with Napoleon having lost the first round, and then winning at Waterloo (during the 100 days), and then being deposed again as per your sign-up (Louis Philippe I), it would make sense for France to be basically at 1792 borders plus Wallonia and Luxembourg. ^^

His deposition in my application has nothing to do with coalition wars against him. The OP says Napoleon stayed in power. The reason I use Louis Philippe is that Napoleon presumably would have not been alive in 1835. But if Napoleon was still sufficiently strong to prevent the seventh coalition from deposing him I don't see how he can have simultaneously been too weak to keep a Rhine border.

In fact in the Frankfurt proposals Austria's Metternich devised just such a scenario in which Napoleon would remain in power ruling a France restored to its "natural borders", the Rhine, Pyrenees and Alps. The proposal never came to fruition as Austria was the only power supportive of it, with the other coalition powers favoring harsher terms and Napoleon still believing that he could turn the war around. But those terms would seem a good basis for a partial Napoleonic victory in the seventh coalition.

[Luziyca]

But with Napoleon having lost the first round, and then winning at Waterloo (during the 100 days), and then being deposed again as per your sign-up (Louis Philippe I), it would make sense for France to be basically at 1792 borders plus Wallonia and Luxembourg. ^^

His deposition in my application has nothing to do with coalition wars against him. The OP says Napoleon stayed in power. The reason I use Louis Philippe is that Napoleon presumably would have not been alive in 1835. But if Napoleon was still sufficiently strong to prevent the seventh coalition from deposing him I don't see how he can have simultaneously been too weak to keep a Rhine border.

In fact in the Frankfurt proposals Austria's Metternich devised just such a scenario in which Napoleon would remain in power ruling a France restored to its "natural borders", the Rhine, Pyrenees and Alps. The proposal never came to fruition as Austria was the only power supportive of it, with the other coalition powers favoring harsher terms and Napoleon still believing that he could turn the war around. But those terms would seem a good basis for a partial Napoleonic victory in the seventh coalition.

IIRC, Napoleon had a son who briefly assumed the throne as Napoleon II.

[United Marxist Nations]

Alright... though AWWA was realistic.

AWWA was a mixture of fever dreams and alien space bats. Realism was almost antithetical to AWWA on most occasions.

^This.

[Luziyca]

Alright... though AWWA was realistic.

AWWA was a mixture of fever dreams and alien space bats. Realism was almost antithetical to AWWA on most occasions.

It might be, but still, I enjoyed having China span from Manchuria to the dark continent.

[Of the Quendi]

IIRC, Napoleon had a son who briefly assumed the throne as Napoleon II.

Napoleon II was emperor for two weeks during which he wasn't even in France. During his "reign" a five member governmental committee ruled France without ever bothering to recall Napoleon II from Austria. They surrendered to the Bourbons.

In this timeline I imagine Napoleon II would have been reunited with his father in France after the Seventh Coalition, but if Napoleon dies while his son is still a child, and that seems most likely, then I don't see Napoleon II being able to accede to the throne. In 1812 during the Mallet coup general Clarke failed (and was later admonished by Napoleon) to declare the King of Rome emperor when it was believed Napoleon had died in Russia. One of Napoleon's generals (unfortunately I can't remember which) apparently said something along the lines of; "People always forget that King of Rome" which I think sums up the lack of strength of the Bonapartist line of succession.

[Luziyca]

IIRC, Napoleon had a son who briefly assumed the throne as Napoleon II.

Napoleon II was emperor for two weeks during which he wasn't even in France. During his "reign" a five member governmental committee ruled France without ever bothering to recall Napoleon II from Austria. They surrendered to the Bourbons.

In this timeline I imagine Napoleon II would have been reunited with his father in France after the Seventh Coalition, but if Napoleon dies while his son is still a child, and that seems most likely, then I don't see Napoleon II being able to accede to the throne. In 1812 during the Mallet coup general Clarke failed (and was later admonished by Napoleon) to declare the King of Rome emperor when it was believed Napoleon had died in Russia. One of Napoleon's generals (unfortunately I can't remember which) apparently said something along the lines of; "People always forget that King of Rome" which I think sums up the lack of strength of the Bonapartist line of succession.

Well, he could have a regent.

[United Marxist Nations]

IIRC, Napoleon had a son who briefly assumed the throne as Napoleon II.

Napoleon II was emperor for two weeks during which he wasn't even in France. During his "reign" a five member governmental committee ruled France without ever bothering to recall Napoleon II from Austria. They surrendered to the Bourbons.

In this timeline I imagine Napoleon II would have been reunited with his father in France after the Seventh Coalition, but if Napoleon dies while his son is still a child, and that seems most likely, then I don't see Napoleon II being able to accede to the throne. In 1812 during the Mallet coup general Clarke failed (and was later admonished by Napoleon) to declare the King of Rome emperor when it was believed Napoleon had died in Russia. One of Napoleon's generals (unfortunately I can't remember which) apparently said something along the lines of; "People always forget that King of Rome" which I think sums up the lack of strength of the Bonapartist line of succession.

What about either a return of the Republic or a non-absolutist monarchy? IIRC, Napoleon said something like "a constitutional monarchy will suit my son".

[Of the Quendi]

Well, he could have a regent.

But no one wants a child emperor of France. Napoleon managed to suspend the republic and introduce only because of his enormous personal skills and not because there was any great love in France of the idea of an empire. Without Napoleon I around support for the idea would plummet.

What about either a return of the Republic or a non-absolutist monarchy? IIRC, Napoleon said something like "a constitutional monarchy will suit my son".

That was when he promulgated the Charter of 1815 upon his return from Elba. His personal prestige and glory had taken a hit from the looses in the sixth coalition and he could no longer rule simply by pointing to an impressive military record but needed to compromise with liberals and democratic minded people to oust the Bourbons. Hence the very liberal constitution. Had Napoleon won the seventh coalition he could have probably ruled with the charter of 1815, but I don't think it would satisfy, Republicans when Napoleon was no longer around.

As for a republic ... Thats actually not a bad idea. It would presumably have been what France would have reverted back to with Napoleon gone so if no one would try to fight it it might work. I will think about that.

[Bojikami]

I will have the IC up in a little.

[Bojikami]

IC: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=349115

[United Marxist Nations]

As my opening post will depend greatly on the aftermath of Waterloo, I will wait until Quendi decides what he will want to do with that.

[United Marxist Nations]

NS Name: United Marxist Nations
Nation Claimed: Empire of Ethiopia
Head of State: Sahle Dengel (Civil War going on, it is complicated)
Head of Government: Sahle Dengel
Capital: Addis Ababa
Government type (as of 1835): Absolute Monarchy, but with civil war making effectively feudal

[Bojikami]

NS Name: United Marxist Nations
Nation Claimed: Empire of Ethiopia
Head of State: Sahle Dengel (Civil War going on, it is complicated)
Head of Government: Sahle Dengel
Capital: Addis Ababa
Government type (as of 1835): Absolute Monarchy, but with civil war making effectively feudal

Accepted.

[Unicario]

I made this.

[Unicario]

To make clear:

Maria II of Brazil is the daughter of John VI of Portugal, sister of Pedro IV of Portugal and aunt to Maria II of Portugal. She is married to Archduke Franz Karl, second eldest living child of Francis I of Austria.

They have two sons, Maximilian and Franz Joseph. Maximilian is OTL's Maximilian I of Mexico, who was executed by Republican rebels, and Franz Joseph is the good ol' Kaiser Franz who ruled Austria from 1848 to 1916.

Brazil's monarchy has made it where Franz Karl is co-Emperor with his wife; making him, legally, Francisco I of Brazil. When his wife dies, should he not die before her, he will be sole ruler of Brazil until the heir to the Brazilian throne comes of age -- at which point, Franz is expected to abdicate to said son. Maximilian is not likely to reign with his birth name, and will probably adopt his grandfather's name (and rule as John VII), or follow his father and rule as Francisco II.

Brazil basically assumes that all Portuguese monarchs were monarchs of Portugal, therefore, Brazil uses Portugal's numeration therein.

[Luziyca]

Hmm.... Korea is a Chinese tributary. It seems tempting to just abolish the tributary states and centralize the government into a shitload of prefectures, and incorporate Korea. What could possibly go wrong?