1850 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][CLOSED]

[The Union of Courland]

I am a WWI Expert. I studied it for fun. And I know it was caused by the alliances. But it was caused also by imperialism on the Germans part which caused France and Great Britain, age old enemies, to sign an alliance.

Erm no.
Any actual expert who keeps a close eye can tell you the only "Imperialism" that Germany did was taking Alsace Lorraine (Which is Imperialist, but who the flying fuck wasn't) and colonizing Africa. (Along with trying to Rival the British navy, but that's not Imperialist) Britain, Russia, and France allied in order to protect their interests; as did Germany, Austria, and Italy. The war sparked because Russia joined Serbia (Which was an ally of them) against Austria, and so Austria called Germany. Then Russia called France and Britain. Oh, and the reason why Austria invaded Serbia was because of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand; which one could argue they should've just started actions against Serbian Nationalists but that would've still went to an invasion of Serbia.

So if you count Germany being called in by their ally to be Imperialism, then your only reference was the Treaty of Versailles.

Yes, yes, I know all this. Did you even read what I said. I studied it. For fun. And while I have to admit Germany was not the only imperialist, they did declare war first. If Germany had just called the hell down and talked it out with his cousin, the entire damned war could have been avoided.

[Cabana]

Tagging for future interest.

[Mandicoria]

-snip-

But anyways this isn't NSG, we shouldn't be arguing this here.

[The Union of Courland]

-snip-

But anyways this isn't NSG, we shouldn't be arguing this here.

*bows*
Of course.

[In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam]

The British made friends with the French, cause a prince liked French girls...

[The Union of Courland]

The British made friends with the French, cause a prince liked French girls...

*facepalms*

[Cuprum]

Full Nation Name: Republiek Argentinië
Majority/Official Culture: Argentijns, subgroup of the Dutch Culture
Territorial Core: Argentina, Uruguay.
Territorial Claim: Brazil
Capital City: City of Goede Lucht, Federal Territory
Population : Around 1,500,000 Hab

Government Type : Constitutional Republic
Government Ideology/Policies: Colonial
Government Focus : Continue to build up economy, get/expand colonies. Avoid red numbers.
Head of State : President Juist Jozef van Urquiza
Head of Government : President Juist Jozef van Urquiza
Government Description : A federal republic located in southeastern South America.

Majority/State Religion : Protestant
Religious Description : Same as RL

Economic Ideologies : Capitalist Free Market Economy
Major Production : Food, rare materials, wood, iron.
Economic Description : Benefiting from rich natural resources, a highly literate population, a diversified industrial base, and an export-oriented agricultural sector.

Army Strength : 15,000 strong, the Army sought to become a professional force without active involvement in politics, even though many a political figure -President Jozef van heilige Maarten, for example- benefitted from a past military career. The Army prevented the fall of the government in a number of Radical-led uprisings. Meanwhile, the military in general and the Army in particular contributed to develop Argentina's unsettled southern frontier and its nascent industrial complex.

Army Weakness : Lack of manpower.
Naval Strength : 7,000 people, consists of 5 steam battleships and 2 ironclads from the Netherlands and England. Heavily funded.
Naval Weakness : The small number of ships

National Goals: Expand market relationships and colonies
National Issues: The fragility of the economy and the national borders.
National Figures of Interest: Juist Jozef van Urquiza, Nicolaas van Avellaneda, Johannes de Doper van Alberdi, Dominus Faust van Sarmiento, Bartholomeus van Mitre, Julius A. Roca.
National Ambition/Aspirations : Economical Independence, Social Justice.

History: The arrival of Dutch explorer Michiel de Ruyter at Argentina in 1498 opened a gateway of free access to Asia from Western Europe around the strait of Magallanes; however, it also necessitated the founding and safeguarding of trade stations in the West. Very rapidly one European power followed another, all eager to trade along this route. The Dutch landed in Goede Lucht (Buenos Aires) in 1499, explored the Pampas two years later, and by 1502 had started raiding inland. Shortly afterwards the Dutch Republic sent merchant vessels to the Continent, and in 1510 founded the Vereenigde West-Indische Compagnie (Dutch West India Company; VWC). As the volume of traffic rounding Goede Lucht increased, the Company recognised its natural harbour as an ideal watering point for the long voyage around America to the Orient and established a victualling station there in 1522. VWC officials didn't favoured the permanent settlement of Europeans in their trading empire, although during the 150 years of Dutch rule many VWC servants retired or were discharged and remained as private citizens. Furthermore, the exigencies of supplying local garrisons and passing fleets compelled the administration to confer free status upon employees and oblige them to become independent farmers. During the 80 years war, the Colony gained full autonomy and conquered Colonia Sacramento (Uruguay) from the Austrian-Spanish decadent empire, this concession was ratified after the Peace of Utrecht. After the Second Anglo-Dutch War, the Dutch Empire exchanged the Dutch Brazil provinces for the Malouines Islands (Falklands, Malvinas islands) in the South near the end of the world. Taking advantage of the Dutch weakness after the Defeat in the Fourth Anglo-Dutch War, the Verenigde Provincies van het Zuiden (United Provinces of the South) declared independence. In 1806 and 1807 the British invasions of the River Plaat were repelled. In 1835 the desert was conquered and the natives were forced to serfdom by the Argentijns landowners.

Comparison Points – Political: 2
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

[In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam]

The British made friends with the French, cause a prince liked French girls...

*facepalms*

I'm not kidding tho....

[New Granadeseret]

Will finish very shortly. Just need to eat dinner and do not want to lose this... starting to think I might be getting a bit long-winded with my history.

Full Nation Name : The Caliphate of Al-Andalus, Dominion of the House Blessed by Allah, the Sacred Blood of the Umayyad's
Majority/Official Culture : Andalusian; while mostly Eastern Germanic ethnic wise, the culture and traditions are firmly rooted in their Berber and Arabic origins
Territorial Core : http://i.imgur.com/w07MqPC.png
Territorial Claim :This depends largely on who you ask. Those with a more colonial streak want to establish dominance over West Africa and the Parana river region in, while those with a more land-based agenda dream of restoring the Italian peninsula to Andalsian rule

Capital City : Córdoba https://www.google.com/maps/place/C%C3% ... 78a575ca10

Population : 36.3 Million

Government Type : Semi-Constitutional Monarchy; faced with the rising tide of liberal ideals, the Caliphate has chosen to take a "bend before you break"; originally to empower and earn the loyalty of the nation's subjects as a buffer against machinations by the lower nobility and military, but over time this 'tradition' has become the default measure for retaining the Turban without resorting to bloody civil war. Further details on the exact method are in the government description

Government Ideology/Policies : Efficient Administration, Economic Growth, security through friendly nations on the borders... by whatever means that requires

Government Focus : The primary goal of the Caliphate's government is the security (physical, economic, or any other form), of it's citizenry. The later achieved in several different ways, including a strict and storied tradition of rooting out corruption, support and contracts for upstanding companies and crackdowns/nationalizations of inefficient or overbloated ones, and reasonable tariffs, while the former is, alongside being a military effort, a diplomatic effort to insure that hostile or potentially hostile powers. Passive international support is used to try to support governments that are at least tolerant and neutral of the country, while those in opposition will be undermined at key opportunities (usually, offically to support an Andalusian 'ally' nearby to earn favor)

Head of State : By the Grace of God and The People, Caliph Ilban II of the Umayyad House , Sultan of Al-Andalus, Mooretania, Gallecia , Leon, Navarra, Barcelona, and Aragon; Emir of Sicily and Cagliari, High Chief of the Isles Guanche, and Custodian of the Red Mosque in Rome

Head of Government : Grand Vizier Ihgon Ben-Aharon

Government Description : Officially, the theory of the government is very simple and has existed for nearly a millennium; The Caliphate is the sole property of the Caliph, who rules by the will of God and who bears the final responsibility for all the laws of the land and he alone holds true sovereignty. As time has passed, however, various amendments to the basic idea have been passed so; while not technically stripping the Caliph of any of his rights, they have been effectively curtailed and many elements of republicanism allowed to flourish. For instance, the Caliph is obviously a very busy man, and ruler of far too great and populous a realm to handle all the affairs of justice. As such, Emirs are appointed to act in his name across the borders of his realm... but if he were to micromanage all these Emirs then the affairs of the nation would suffer. So, as part of their duties of fealty to him, the Caliph commands the citizenry to insure only the highest quality Emirs remain in office, and to provide 'advisories' to Cordoba in the form of a mass survey (effectively an election; but it's not officially called that!) of some sort.

By 1850, the Caliphate can't reasonably be called an absolute monarchy but does retain several 'sovereign' powers that are legally prevented from ever being handed over. The Caliph alone possesses the power to declare war, make peace, command the army, and write treaties retaining to military or land-based matters. He also maintains the power of suspensive veto on other policy matters (He can delay a law pushed through the Grand Council for up to 2 sessions, in case a more sympathetic party gets into power), and has the authority to appoint the Chief Qadi/judge of any system of courts (though only the Grand Council has the power to make them, and require the Caliph's permission to destroy or suspend them). In the event that a particular power isn't clearly defined as belonging to anybody else, the default assumption is that it belongs to the Monarch

Most other matters, however are handled by the Grand Council; an 'advisory' body of 176 people; 3 each elected from the 58 territories of the Caliphate and one each from the Army and Navy, who are considered of special interest and have no home territory. Advisors are elected for a period of 2 years each, and the Council is in charge of all areas the Caliph is not (Things like economic policy, the police force, natural resource management, ect.), and while they technically only have the power to issue 'petitions' rather then 'laws', there was only one point in history which the Caliph actually struck down a petition in full rather then just suspending it, and the general backlash was strong enough it is impudent to do so without evidence of mass popular support. To be a Councilman (or vote for one), one must be a male subject of the Caliphate, over 20 years of age, have a residence and be able to speak, read, and write Andalusian fluently (You will be tested)

The territories are run in a slightly more haphazard manner, depending on local tastes and what deals the minor local nobility managed to strike to keep their fancy titles and hats. All are run by an Emir, who acts as the head of government for the province and, while technically appointed by the Caliph, 90% of the time is the candidate who received the most support in the local survey. Emirs are appointed for 5 year periods, with no term limits, and at the end can be dismissed either by a new survey or a command from the Caliph. They have veto power over local decisions, though they can be overruled by methods that differ from territory to territory. Most of the territories are ruled by something resembling a republic (either by everybody, landowners, those with X amount of money, ect.), except for Cordoba (which is ruled by the Caliph and Council directly), and the 3 overseas islands territories, over which the Emirs have more or less absolute power.



Majority/State Religion : Sunni Islam; Mu'tazila school
Religious Description : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu%60tazila

Economic Ideologies : Interventionist Capitalism.
Major Production : Mainland Andalusia: Wool and Woolens, Glassworks, Wheat, Citrus, Fish
Sicily and Cagliari: Assorted fruits and nuts, Fish, Cattle
Morocco: Textiles,
Economic Description : Andalusia could best be described as a semi-industrialized economy; lower concentrations of domestic coal having given her an initial disadvantage in the first stages of the Industrial Revolution she's never quite made up. The nation operates primarily under free market principals; naturally growing out of the ideology that if you can trust people by and large to advise the government, they can, by and large, be trusted to run the day to day affairs of keeping people feed without having to make a huge bureaucracy around it. Since any economic policy is primarily concerned with the nation's health, though, if a particular company or industry is seen is grossly corrupted or inefficient, however, the government isn't over confiscating it, cleaning house, and then selling it back to more responsible owners. This only happens every now and again, and usually because the population as a whole is asking for it... but as a tool it remains useful in keeping inefficiency to a minimum.

The majority of Andalusia's population is still rural; the countryside filled with farms and pasture. More and more, these are being condensed into large farmers with a single company's ownership, but independent farmers having been pushing back by pooling themselves into co-operatives, creating a duel, competitive system the government tolerates for it's encouragement to raise wages and produce more despite the increased conflict. Thanks to centuries of improvement to irrigation and several highly fertile areas under her control, both her European and New World portions are agriculturally self-sufficient; producing tropical crops for export; the New World in particular being the world's largest producer of coffee. Industry is concentrated along the southernmost parts of the mainland and the Atlantic rim; largely based around textiles and food process, but including a thriving craft industry. Some holdouts of artisanry remain; the swordsmiths of Toledo, in particular, scoff at the idea of mass production of blades, but even they are slowly fading from relevance.

Army Strength : The Holy Armies are primarily designed to be a defensive force, and their training clearly reflects that. With the ideal of always being on the tactical defensive even during a strategic offensive, soldiers are rigorously trained to throw up field fortifications, including holes, palisades, stakes, earthenworks, ect, and unless caught completely unawares can usually produce something rather substantial before engaging an enemy. This tactic is generally refered to as the "Tortoise"; a slow but difficult to halt march.

This ideal is carried over to the homeland, where the country can boost some of the finest fortifications in Europe. Though nearly all of them are of above-average quality, of particular note are the four "Gate" fortresses which command the Caliphate's most strategic points. Mujahedeen Gate at Messina, The Moonset and Sunset Gates at The Rock and Ceuta, and the Frankish Gate at Treaty Pass; the one major non-mountainous route on the eastern edge of the Pyrenees. Recently built up and fitted with the most modern guns and curtain walls, they can withstand withering fire and carry and impressive stockpile themselves

Army Weakness : One of Andalusia's primary issue's is the army's heavy dependence on is a somewhat haphazard and slow logistics system; as the army is expected to move slow to minimize danger, it's virtually impossible to live off the land while marching, requiring a link back to the homeland/base of operations. The below average weight/firepower ratio of her artillery only emphasizes this problem by forcing armies to keep pace with their guns, making conquests a slow and tedious affair if they enemy will not do battle. This weakness isen't particularly present when on the defensive, thanks to internal lines of communication and a friendly populace, but it does mean she depends on a slower grind or the enemy making battle rather then decisive seizures to force a piece

Naval Strength : Primarily a brown-water fleet, the Andalusian fleet is focused on staying power; insuring her ships can fire long, sail longer, last longer and, even if damaged, get into port and fixed up quick so they can be of use longer. The country only really has 3 models of ship, and has invested in dockyards optimized for ships of their similar sizes and shapes; repair and production of new ships is generally faster and cheaper, and can be depended on to have some light armor and be more maneuverable then other ships their size.

Naval Weakness : With much of her money invested in facilities and the logistical issues of treating massive ships, the fleet has to keep their ships downsized in exchange for uniformity and maneuverability. Andalusian has many few 1st tier capital ships then her rivals, and has trouble making and supporting them as a result. Their ships also generally have a lower compliment of guns, replacing the extra weight with armor and extra rigging to help speed and defense

Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals :
-Eliminate/Subdue all those who would violate Andalusian sovereignty
-Settle internal disputes between the rising forces of collectivism vs. corporatism.
-Insure the security of kindred nations, so they might secure ours
*This includes friendly primitives, who will *ahem* bring under our benevolent protection if a hostile power threatens to dominate them
National Issues :

-Radical Revanchists (For instance, Byzantium if they are accepted), need to be declawed, preferably by proxy but with open war if the opportunity presents itself.

-The current evolution of economic ideals needs to be directed in one way or the other; namely, the question of if corporations are collections of people or alien entities must be decided without bringing one side to open revolt

-Knit diplomatic ties between our allies/friendlies, and build up a trustworthy reputation

-To fuel these efforts, a dependable supply of precious, precious coffee must be obtained.

National Figures of Interest :

Antonio Faqih: Generally referred to as one of the Fathers of Modern Socialism, Antonio was a Sicilian is best know for his 1842 treatise Dirigisme: The Logical Conclusion of Republicanism. He is well known in most socialist circles, though not always liked as his theories call for reconciliation with micro-scale capitalism, and is considered the socially acceptable face of the economic Left in most civilized societies.

National Ambition/Aspirations : A nation where fear and hunger are banished from memory, where Andalusian culture is toasted around the globe, and the milk and honey flow in abundance. And possibly have the Vatican converted into a Mosque.

History :
The changes to events in Al-Andalus began in mid 900's, with the life of Sultan Al-Hakam II. Though 'cursed' with deep homosexual desires for much of his life, though advise, self-discipline, and a quest to find some rather boyish-looking women, he managed to forcibly develop some level of desire towards his wives, allowing him to give birth to a proper heir in 955: Hisham II. 21 at the time of his father's death and blessed with good advisors, he was easily able to crush an attempt by the court eunuchs to place his younger brother on the throne, developing a tradition for solid succession in the newly-established sovereign state following the collapse of the Umyyads in Damscus. With the loyal service of his general and greatest advisor, al-Mansur bi-llah, his reign from 955 to 1000 C.E saw many great advances and victories for the Sultanate, including 5 different campaigns against Barcelona and the Catalonean counties (4 of which lead to the sacking of a major city and seizure of more territory for the Sultanate, until the final surrender of the Counts in 973), and defeating the Kingdom of Narvara, bringing the Basque into the Islamic fold. The introduction of large-scale irrigation allowed for an agricultural sector much more productive then anywhere else in Europe, turning Córdoba into city second only in size, economy, and culture to Constantinople, and are credited with the birth of modern medicine, philosophy, and the natural science, attracting students from across Europe. This would continue under his successors, and while many agree the first stage of the Golden Age ended in around 1070, this was more due to other parts of Europe starting to catch up and a general slowing down rather then any particular decline

Hisham also expanded the Empire's ambitions into Italy: every dreaming of an eventual conquest of Rome. This was most notable in his intervention in 980, supporting the Sunni revolt against the Shia leadership imposed by the Fatimid caliph. After destroying the Fatimid fleet and isolating the island, a two year war was fought between the island's Shias and Sunnis; the latter supported by Andalusian professional troops and ultimately victorious. Their rule was solidified in 983 after the arrival of the Germanic troops of Christendom; seeking to take advantage of the chaos to reclaim the island for Catholicism, and the stunning victory of the Sultan's forces at The Battle of Messina. This lead to the assention of the island as a province in Andalusia (though with several special privileges), and acted as a springboard for later attacks to seize parts of the faltering Byzantine possessions in Italy, a smattering of southern principalities, and the assentation of Sardinia after successful missonary efforts to convert the Judge of Cagliari to Islam; their military intervention of the island to protect him in the resulting 4 war between the states resulting in his agreement to vassaldom in 1062, and heavy efforts to convert the rest of the population: this cumulating in 1101 and 1102 when, with much of Christiandom's forces distracted in the Holy Land and aiding an ailing Byzantium, Umyyad armies were able to march all the way to the gates of Rome itself; putting the city under a grueling 4 month siege but unable to break in before the arrival of relief forces. The Battle of Rome ended in a decisive Umyyad Victory; in the end the Pope's starving troops trying to hurl themselves out of the city in a duplication of Antioch, but this time Islam's forces were prepared and chopped them down like wheat. However, had been sufficiently weakened to not be able to hold that ground against a Lombard force riding to the Papacy's aid, forcing them to withdraw back towards the "Emirate of Sicily". They did, however, managed to gain one more major victory in Naples, forcing the Papacy to come to the table and call an end to the Crusades and an acceptance of "Islam's Right to Exist" and assent to the Andalusian occupation of the south of Italy. In exchange, the Umyyads agreed not to sack Rome and agreed not to aid the Muslim forces in Anatolia.

Thus began the Century Peace with the Catholic Church; 97 years in which Andalusia would not make war with a single Christian state. Rather, much of it's time was spent in relative peace; indeed even amongst Muslims and Pagans the war standard was not raised for 25 years; the majority of which was under the reign of Sultan Muhammad IV; known either as the "Craven" or the "Peacemaker" depending on the temperament of who was writing. However, in 1147, it was heard that the last of the Almoravid sultans of Morocco and father of the First Wife of the current Caliph Zamrak al-Rahmen I, had perished; leaving behind 17 daughters but not a single son. Though his wife was only the 8th daughter, Zamrak sought to claim Morocco's wide domains by right of inheritance and sailed his men across the channel. Two generations of peace and with an unskilled Sultan, however, the Andalusian armies found themselves impossibly overwhelmed by the mobility and ferocity of the Berber nomads; Zamrak bring his untrained men blindly into the mountains and desert only to be cut down by hidden tribesmen supporting the other claimants. With 5,500 loses and forced to retreat back to Andalusia in shame when his soldiers nearly mutinied on him, never the less, the crest of Morocco would remain in the Caliph's halls, and he would continue claiming the titles as his own with hopes that, one day, they would be able to return.

In addition for this failure, Zamrak would be known for his rather ignoble death in 1158, of which we can't go into great detail but does explain one of the nation's more exotic laws, in which women are not allowed to carry scourges anywhere in the country. He was ascended by his 15 year old son Sulayman I, who thanks to his father's misadventures had little formal training. An unimpressive Caliph, he was saved from major social disorder by a unity of efforts among his various Emirs, who sought to maintain the appearance of stability lest the Christians break their truce and attack. Other then a brief but intense up rising in the Barcelona counties, however, no serious threat to the dynasty arose as of yet, Sulayman passing from a pox by 1185. During his reign, the nation saw several poor harvests in the north, leading to the migration of many addition citizens to the central part of the peninsula, and the earliest successful signs of the Islamization of the Sicily.

His son, al-Mundhir II, however, was a different man altogether. It was generally understood he was man driven by a sense of shame in his family's failures... and after two weak Sultans could hear the whispers of coup in his palace. As such, he threw himself deeply into proving his worth to the military and nobles; raising a fleet of ships crewed by Berber veterans to halt the Christian freebooting on the coasts and sea lanes between his dominions, sought to build roman-style roads to connect the great cities of his nation, and established a more efficient taxation system by mixing local collectors with Royal agents. While not universally popular among the peasants (who had to pay for and build these things), al-Mundhir did survive with a positive reputation thanks to good harvests and rebound the upper classes back to Cordoba. Though he reigned for but 20 years, passing in 1205, Mundhir's reforms would play a key role in his predicessor's handling of potential threats to their power.

Following him was Al-Hakam III; notable for being the longest-reigning Sultan in the nation's history as well as one of it's most successful. Indeed, the day he ascended to the throne he began his first war. This had actually been do to negotiations with his marriage to the Princess of Castile (The romance was an exceeding complicated one and involved elopement, and actually turned into the tragic play Al-Hakam and Isabel in the 17th century); technically the only surviving child of the prior King after a pox had swept through Castile. Though heir to some small area by virtue of her station her uncle, eager to avoid losing some of his Kingdom, declared the laws changed following his death and formalizing the rule that non-Catholics could not inherit. Al-Hakam, in response, declared war for his rightful claim, bringing the first official Holy War the Caliphate had had in a great while, Castile's allies in Gallecia joining the fray. Considering the sheer sizes, however, the final outcome was never in doubt; the combined Northern armies being routed and Burgos sacked and seized. Fearful of losing any of their own territory or paying money out of a near empty treasuring, the Gallecians agreed to acknowledge Isabel's (brief) assentation to the throne of Castile by her husband's whim; the realm ceasing to exist as an independent country following it's fusion of it's crown with Andalusia's back what would be known as the Lover's Treat, signed in Cordoba in 1210. Al-Hakam would be recognized as a gentle and just ruler throughout his reign (secretly writing quite a bit of poetry under assumed names), though also a warrior. In 1218, he would lead an expedition to conquer the Guanche-habitated islands off the Moroccan coast as hopes of using them as raiding base for an (eventual) campaign to take the throne; defeating the scattered, Neolithic-level locals with great ease and his soldiers being rewarded with war-wives and land on their new conquests to populate the area with local Andalusian. In 1229, he would enter into a 3 year war with the French over disputes over what the Pyrenees as a border actually meant (France asserted the mountains belonged to them and it was only in the lowlands Cordoba's reign began, while Andalusia declared precisely the opposite). However, with France on the attack and Cordoba able to use the narrow passes to funnel in French troops, they were eventually able to seize the region's directly across from the mountains; now able to depend on border stones in an easily visable land to keep a stable border. Though he did not go to war in the North-west as per his treaties, he did begin machinations among the vassals of Gallecia; hoping to sow discontent and open a path to conquest when the time was right. Trade with the East was rising, tensions on the borders resolved, and in his older years Al-Hakam would make only small wars; defending Portucal from the last gasp of the Viking raiders, a forta against and crushing a few minor Italian rebellions, spending much more time investing in the domains of his favored vassals; additional swords kept down to fund waterwheels, canals, and libraries.

Hakam's death in 1274 was followed by a short series of mediocore Caliph; Sulayman II, Hisham III, and Marwan III; ruling from 1274-1303 in some very uneventful years. A few notable things occurred during these years; the rebuilding of the Great Mosque of Cordoba from 1276-1279, the first Andalusian firearms appearing from modified Chinese imports in 1301, and a few dry advances in Calculus. 1303, however, saw perhaps the greatest land-grab in Andalusian history with the collapse of the Abdelwadid dynasty in Morocco following a bloody murder of the Sultan's family in a sort of palace coup while he was off on the Hajj; leaving nobody to take the throne for the many month's the Sultan would need to be gone and the local houses each at eachother's throat over the position. As a neutral party, Marwan sent his forth (and this very unlikely to inherit) son Yazid to act as a sort of unofficial regent and arbiter until the Sultan's return... though placing none of his troops in the capital. After a year of waiting though, the Sultan was nowhere to be seen and the local leaders presumed him dead; beginning a struggle for the empty throne. Yazid, however, was a clever man, and made promises of increased power and positions of prestige with Al-Andalus in exchange for their fealty. With the addition of men secretly recruited from Sicily, he pulled a coup de grace and seized the Moroccan capital... his new friends fishing the fighting in the deserts for him and thus making him by far the most prestigious of Marwan's sons. Though his elder brothers did protest and make several assassination attempts, Yazid managed to survive to take Cordoba; having his brother's seized and strangled for seeking to kill their Caliph.

Yazid IV, "Berber-friend", would be known not only for the many Moroccans he brought to the court, but to a certain degree the influence they brought with him. A far stricter Muslim then his predecessors, the lacks enforcement of the Sacred Law essentially disappeared for the 24 years of his rule. Idolatry, alcohol, any kind of vice that lived was clamped down upon, largely by newly-raised Berber troops. This created a great deal of resentment among the local lords; particularly when their position of high power started to be taken away, but there was little they could do but wait; their men hardly willing to march on the capital and Yazid's glory too great. That is, until his harsh policies of banning churches finally lit South Italy alight; being seen as a violation of the treaties from the time of the Crusades and Jihad and the Italians eager to come to their local's aid. His Emirs provided no troops out of Protest; Yazid leading the army himself but being captured and brutally murdered by zealots somewhere on the Italian heel. His successor, Ilban I, was forced to make peace and retreat from the Italian mainland; ending 225 years of Muslim rule in the region.

Ilban himself wasen't a bad Sultan, but found himself in a difficult spot as he tried to appease the Berbers, Andalusian Lords, and the minority religious communities Yazid had alienated. Seeing none of them would give up power and at least two would be going for his throat, Ilban turned to the last people he could; his subjects. Sneaking out of the palace in the dead of night, he began issuing proclamations from a merchant's house in Cordoba; declaring that the high and mightiest lords were acting like animals squabbling over meat rather then civilized people. Declaring he could not solve the problem merely by listening to those who had the most to gain, he sent out riders to the wisest men in the realm to join him in an advisory session; over the next two months 41 arriving from various corners of the nation. Declaring them his "Council", he finally returned to the palace with a guard of citizen-soldiers eager to make their own opinion heard; the resulting agreement that was hammered out becoming known as The Sacred Pact Between the Caliph, His Servants, and his Subjects ( Or just the Sacred Pact); restoring the old rights of the Jewish and Christian communities and establishing an open Council in his court; from which a man would be brought in from each major city to speak on their behalf. The Pact still stands (heavily amended), as a piece of Basic Law for the Andalusian government, first entering existence in 1338.

To please the Berbers, hungry for war, he decided he would engage in one of the most important in Andalusian history; the conquest of Gallecia; the last Christian stronghold. After spending a year rallying his troops and trumping up some Christian raids his ships in the Atlantic, he unleashed his Moroccons upon the hapless Gallecia; the nation hardly expecting an attack that late in the campaigning session. Raiding the countryside with impunity, the forced the Gallecians to try to rally, a force of 18,000 eventually clashing with 16,000 Berbers in the Battle of Leon. The Berbers, however, had a large contingent of camel cavalry; completely unknown to Gallecia's steeds, causing their knights to flee and open up the Christian right flank for a charge... what few managed to escape limping back to the fortress in shame. The Gallecian king came, pleading for terms, but held back by his promises to the Berbers for lordships and glory for the faith all he could offer was conversion or the sword. Choosing the later, Gallecia's men mad a heroic last stand atop the walls of Santiago after fleeing... but with word of his flight spreading most of his other fortresses capitulated when the black flag approached, the last Christian stronghold falling on Christmas Day, 1342.

Of course, such a move sent diplomatic shockwaves through the rest of Europe, and no sooner had Gallecia been suppressed and regular, less burn-and-plunder garrisions moved in, were the Berbers transferred north-east to defend against an inevitable Christian onslaught. Thankfully, though, the French, British, and Germans were too busy beating each other over the heads to care about their hopelessly isolated sister, thus giving the central government time to consolidate their new gains. Berber officials were put in place (though in command of Andalusian troops), and the settlers from both Africa and the south moved in to help settle the land. Leon itself become a second city for the Caliphate; Ilban keen to Andalize the region as much as possible, constructing a summer palace and there and pumping the plunder back into public works. That, combined with the military presence made the citizens more or less resigned; pliable targets for the huge missionary offensive about to be launched in the region to remove the "Catholic Question" as peacefully as possible.

Ilban's regain continued to 1381, during which time the fortification of her border with France became a top priority. His later reign was also the time of what scholars would call "the Golden Generation"; the young adults coming to their own a seemingly endless wellspring of new ideas; such things as the truly standardized compass, early arquebus, more efficient plows, and one of the first moveable type machines coming out of Andalusian workshops and universities. With this stretch of inventions came a number of social changes; young sons of the merchantable and lower noble classes looking deeper into things like Averroism philosophy and ancient Greek texts, raising number of questions about the order of the state. Being the moderate he was, Ilban actually encouraged these debates in his court and presence, much to the dismay of some of his advisors and African vassals, for a brief time rekindling the great spark of superior scholarship that the country had at it's onset before these ideas were swallowed up into other European courts and expanded upon.

Ilban's son, Muhammed V, was a man much after his father's mold and a child of the Golden Generation, though with a general slowing down of the society he was a giant trying to lead mortal men. More a scholar then a warrior, he actually created a public workshop in Cordoba; encouraging tinkers and metelworkers to try inventing full time, and was known for his live of classical-age literature. It was under him the first Andalusian copyright laws were passed in 1401 (the punishment for breaking them was having one's hand cut off), as well as establish the Grand Assembly with a permanent building and meeting schedule, in addition to some other legal reforms that clarified the law code and did away with legal loopholes for vassals to shirk their duties and payments to the Caliph. Under fairly good advise, his nation saw a period of steady growth under his command; a few military adventures in Algers hardly noticeable in the grand scheme of things. Ruling until 1412, Muhammed also left behind the Great Library of Toldeo; having heard wondrous tales of the Great Library of Alexandria and collecting as many texts as he could in hopes of restoring a shadow of it. Though not nearly as great, it was still a very impressive collection of books, which would be added to as time went on and is certainly in the top 5 concentrations of recorded knowledge in the world.

The next Sultan Hahmurb I, was an entirely different beast. Actually Muhammed's 3rd son from his first wife, his father's lack of interest in family affairs over those of the mind and state left him primarily in the hands of his custodian; the Berber Emir of the Rif and future Grand Vizer Akmed Bouyeri. Said to have been raised on the back of a camel, Hahmurb was culturally a stranger to the refined court setting of Cordoba; feeling more at home on the open field and chatting with his generals then his viziers. What he did gain in Mooretania, however, was a keen strategic mind and the commanding presence his troops respected... as well as loyal members of desert assassins who were glad to remove those standing in his way to power. Thus, when Hahmurb took the throne it was seen as a surprise to anybody... the army pleasantly pleased and the more refined reeling in shock from a man who looked like he could have just wandered out of the desert sitting in the Caliph's seat. Thankfully for their sensitivities, however, he was not a Caliph to sit in the throne; much of that left to Akmed, instead leading the Andalusian army into glorious combat; after signs of oppression of Muslims in South Italy, he eagerly road to reclaim the peninsula for Andalusia, actually succeeding in 1416 with a march on Naples (Thankfully, he was talked out of taking the battle to the Papacy), before taking Berber men he had trained with since childhood on a great conquest of the Deseret; moving into the Sahara and impressing many of the tribes with his martial zeal, bringing them (albet temporarily) into line then turning north and staging a major invasion of France with his new cohort; briefly expanding Andalusia's borders to their largest yet with the conquest of Aquatine, ; a hold which would not long outlast his death . As one would imagine, all this campaigning did a number of Hahmurb's body; the man dying at the young age of 35 when an old wound he'd received in his childhood opened up during battle (which he fought through regardless... and won), but dying before proper care could be given. He was buried at the sight of his greatest triumph; the Battle of Auvergene Forest, and Andalusian legends say he fathered no less then 100 French bastards.

His young, neglected child of 14 took the throne in 1433; the Unfortunate Al-Hakam IV, and could hardly to expected to hold this new territory together; the unpopular Bouyeri being kicked from his seat following his patrons death and creating a power vacuum in the region. Without trustworthy advisors to guide him, Al-Hakam's minority was finished off with the Grand Assembly acting as his regent; being thanked for their loyalty upon his assentation with a further expansion of their policy. Aquatine would only be in the Andalusian sphere for 20 years, however, before Andalusian armies withdrew back to their old borders; the treat of a France now resurgent once England abandoned her claims on the continent combined with major revolts leaving them no choice then a war they couldn't afford to fight. Al-Hakam IV, though not a bad Caliph by any means, is generally lambasted by historians for surrendering Aquatine so easily, his work in the Andalusian road system downplayed. He ruled until 1460, slipping and hitting his head on the side of the royal bath, succeeded by son al-Mundhir III.

Reigning from 1460-1484, al-Mundhir III's reign began with the trickling to a crawl of tribute from the Sahara; the old generation having died off and the new ones not impressed by Andalusian might. Rather then going after them, though, al-Mundhir's legacy was in his many trade mission to the Mali empire and his establishment of trade relation with several regions on the African coast; known as "The Imam" for the effort he put into converting the natives of the West and West-central African coast. Fun fact: his reign also saw the first regular Andalusian newspaper, the Voice of the World, published monthly in Cordoba, and in 1461 the first printed copy of the Quran. His only martial accomplishments of note were putting down some revolts in South Italy.

His heir was Marwan IV, reign 1484-1491. Through his rule was brief and fairly unnotable, the story of his removal (and it's combination to the next Sultan, his brother Yazid V). Highly favorable towards the maritime trade and the navy, a few years into his rule Marwan decided he would begin shifting money away from the army to construct an armada of ships... something that would allow the conquest of or at least hegemony over the African coast. This however, was not taken well by the military leadership, who turned to his younger brother Yazid as a potential supporter. Though he pled with the Caliph to work to spare his life, Yazid could find no hope in the starry-eyed Marwan and agreed to act as figurehead to the palace coup to keep a Umayyad on the throne. On not entirely false charges of homosexuality, Marwan was disposed and Yazid taking his place, insuring the funds were shifted back to the army. To avoid the two clashing, however, he agreed to insure there would be an open dialogue by inviting them to establish a presence in the Grand Assembly; granting them one seat each to avoid too strong a war party. Yazid would actually reign over Tunis for 18 years (As the figurehead for a cousiour's takeover; he received some funds, had his name in Friday prayer and had his face on the coins but never actually went to the city), as well as his 21 year command for the combined crowns of Al-Andalus, 1512 coming with Yazid V having established a number of trading posts in West Africa, fighting a brief war with France that ended in reparations and the removal of some claims over this or that region of Aquatine, and seeing a new quarter added to Cordoba.

Yazid V was succeeded by Muhammad VI, reign 1512-1555. Known as "The Wayfarer", Muhammed VI's reign was most notable for the first expeditions to the Americas; largely directed southward and driven by the Sultan's newfound taste for a strange bean imported from south-west Africa; the coffee bean. During a trade mission to obtain their leader's desires, a small number of ships were caught in a tropical storm (Not quite strong enough to sink them, thankfully), which blew them entirely off course, eventually finding a strange jungle-covered land





Comparison Points – Political : 3
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 2
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

[Suekiva]

Full Nation Name : Principality of Taurica
Majority/Official Culture : Greek, Crimean Goth, Crimean Tatar
Territorial Core : Crimea
Capital City : Cherson (Sevastopol)
Population : 1,796,283

Government Type : Absolute Monarchy
Government Focus : The new Prince is focused on industrialising the economy and modernising the military, as well as enacting liberal reforms.
Head of State : Prince Alexios XII
Head of Government : Chancellor Demetrios Pachis
Government Description : The Principality of Taurica is a centralized absolute monarchy. It's legislature serves merely as an advisory body, with all its members appointed by the Prince.

Majority/State Religion : Eastern Imperial Orthodoxy

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism
Major Production : Foodstuffs
Economic Description : The Taurican economy is primarily agricultural, having only recently started to industrialise.

Army Strength : The only way to invade Taurica by land is through a narrow, heavily fortified isthmus in the north.
Army Weakness : The army is technologically inferior to those of Western Europe.
Naval Strength : Possessing a long coastline, Taurica has a relatively large navy for it's population, with 25 frigates and 5 men-of-war.
Naval Weakness : Composed entirely of sailing ships, the Taurican Navy will soon be obsolete.
Further Military Description : The Taurican Army consists of 20,000 standing troops, with 80,000 in reserve. Taurican military doctrine has, since the 15th century, focused on the defensive modifier provided by the Isthmus of Perekop. Thus, with the Army focused on a single point, it is necessary for Taurica to maintain a large fleet as to prevent an amphibious invasion.

National Goals :
Modernize/Industrialize
Retain independence
National Issues : Taurica is highly dependent on the Roman Empire, and has few diplomatic relations with other nations.

History : POD is mid-15th century.
1466: At the death of Hacı I Giray, the Khan of Crimea, the Crimean Khanate devolves into a civil war between his sons.
1468: As the Crimean civil war continues, Prince Alexios I of Theodoro successfully invades, defeating several disunited Crimean armies. Deprived of their core territory, the Crimean Khanate collapses soon after.
1470: Prince Alexios dies. His successor, Alexander I, declares himself Prince of Taurica.
1501: The capital is moved from Doros to Cherson, on the Black Sea coast.
1519: A Polish-Lithuanian invasion is defeated at the Isthmus of Perekop.
1527: A Muscovite invasion is defeated at the Isthmus of Perekop.
1542: A second Polish-Lithuanian invasion is defeated at the Isthmus of Perekop.
1622: Survivors of the 1620 Turkish-Roman War attempt to cross the Straits of Azov, but are intercepted by a Taurican fleet. A subsequent land invasion also fails.
1641: Roman holdings in Crimea are sold to Prince Alexios IV in exchange for military support during the Roman civil war.
1709: Taurican troops under Prince Alexios VIII briefly participate in the Great Northern War, becoming a deciding factor in the Swedish victory at the Battle of Polatava.
18th Century: The Principality becomes increased aligned with and dependent on the Roman Empire.
19th Century: The Principality starts modernizing along with the Roman Empire.
1848: A popular revolt is put down by the military in the streets of Cherson. To prevent further bloodshed, the heir apparent of the elderly and infirm Prince Alexander III promises to institute and elected legislature and a constitution when he inherits the throne.
1849: Prince Alexander III dies of old age, Prince Alexios XII succeeds him.

Comparison Points – Political : 2
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

[Princess Kenny]

Full Nation Name : Principality of Taurica
Majority/Official Culture : Greek, Crimean Goth, Crimean Tatar
Territorial Core : Crimea
Capital City : Cherson (Sevastopol)
Population : 1,796,283

Government Type : Absolute Monarchy
Government Focus : The new Prince is focused on industrialising the economy and modernising the military, as well as enacting liberal reforms.
Head of State : Prince Alexios XII
Head of Government : Chancellor Demetrios Pachis
Government Description : The Principality of Taurica is a centralized absolute monarchy. It's legislature serves merely as an advisory body, with all its members appointed by the Prince.

Majority/State Religion : Eastern Imperial Orthodoxy

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism
Major Production : Foodstuffs
Economic Description : The Taurican economy is primarily agricultural, having only recently started to industrialise.

Army Strength : The only way to invade Taurica by land is through a narrow, heavily fortified isthmus in the north.
Army Weakness : The army is technologically inferior to those of Western Europe.
Naval Strength : With a long coastline, Taurica has a relatively large navy for it's population, with a total of 40 ships.
Naval Weakness : Composed entirely of sailing ships, the Taurican Navy will soon be obsolete.
Further Military Description : The Taurican Army consists of 20,000 standing troops, with 80,000 in reserve.

National Goals :
Modernize/Industrialize
Retain independence
National Issues : Taurica is highly dependent on the Roman Empire, and has few diplomatic relations with other nations.

History : POD is mid-15th century.
1466: At the death of Hacı I Giray, the Khan of Crimea, the Crimean Khanate devolves into a civil war between his sons.
1468: As the Crimean civil war continues, Prince Alexios I of Theodoro successfully invades, defeating several disunited Crimean armies. Deprived of their core territory, the Crimean Khanate collapses soon after.
1470: Prince Alexios dies. His successor, Alexander I, declares himself Prince of Taurica.
1501: The capital is moved from Doros to Cherson, on the Black Sea coast.
16th Century: Invasions by various parties are defeated at the Isthmus of Perekop.
1641: Roman holdings in Crimea are sold to Prince Alexios III in exchange for military support during the Roman civil war.
18th Century: The Principality becomes increased aligned with and dependent on the Roman Empire.
19th Century: The Principality starts modernizing along with the Roman Empire.

Comparison Points – Political : 2
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

Aren't they owned by the Roman Empire?

[Cabana]

Full Nation Name : South African Republic (Zuid-Afrikaansche Republiek, ZAR)
Majority/Official Culture : Boer, English, German, Dutch (Bantu are kept as slaves or are held at a very low regard if free)
Territorial Core : The Western Cape province in South Africa
Territorial Claim : Modern South Africa, Lesotho, Swaziland, Namibia and Zimbabwe
Capital City : Kaapstad (Cape Town)
Population : 5,822,734 (can lower if you want me to)

Government Type : Military junta
Government Ideology/Policies : Expansionist Conservative
Government Focus : Colonial expansion and economic growth
Head of State : President/Marshal Jonathan Kuipers
Head of Government : Prime Minister/Colonel Vincent Van Veenen
Government Description : The South African government used to be a constitutional republic until the brutal War of Defense (1838-1846) against Bantu tribes to the North and East. After this war, the constitution and parliament were suspended by Marshal Jonathan Kuipers who currently runs a junta known as the State Justice and Maintenance Council (Staat Geregtigheid en Onderhoud Raad, SGOR) whose purpose is to protect the Boer settlers, the destruction of the Bantu tribes and industrialization. The SGOR will be dissolved when all of the objectives are met.

Majority/State Religion : Calvinism and Presbyterianism
Religious Description : The Boers follow the Dutch Reformed Church and the Afrikaans Protestant Church

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism
Major Production : Grain
Economic Description : South Africa has not become industrialized and is still an agrarian state. The SGOR plans to industrialize the country.

Army Strength : 26,000 people
Army Weakness : Lack of raw materials, imported firearms, poor training
Naval Strength : 0
Naval Weakness : No navy
Further Military Description : The Army is divided into the South African Defense Force (Suid-Afrikaanse Weermag, SAW), the Farmers Militia (Boere Militie, BM) and the State Police Force (Staat Polisie Krag, SPK) who work as a military police and a secret police. The Dreyse needle gun is the service rifle and the Colt 1851 Navy is the service revolver.

National Goals : Expansion into all the claimed territories and revenge against the Bantu
National Issues : Lack of industrialization, threats from the Bantu and the SGOR's dictatorship
National Figures of Interest : Johnathan Kuipers, Vincent Van Veenen, Archbishop Leopold Abram of Kaapstad, Johannes Schoorl (last civilian president of South Africa), Kerneels Amsing (last civilian prime minister of South Africa), Samantha Assendorp (head of the South African Rural Party/Suid-Afrikaanse Landelike Partytjie, SALP who wish to overthrow the SGOR and reestablish a civilian government. Also wish to make peace with the Bantu and lobby for the abolition of slavery), Emperor Muzikayise (Bantu king who led the War of Defense) and King Setjhaba (Sesotho king who assisted Muzikayise in the War of Defense, currently a vassal and chancellor of the Bantu Empire)
National Ambition/Aspirations : To ensure Boer dominance over the Bantu tribes and to conquer all the territorial claims

History : [[Can be in paragraph or bulletpoint timeline.]]
1652-Dutch Settlers create the Cape Colony
1759-The Dutch lose the 3rd Dutch-Bantu war and are forced to abandon most of their land to Bantu tribes
1806-The Dutch are driven out in the National Revolution (Nasionale Revolusie, Nationale Revolutie) by Boer settlers, Cape Colony changes it's name to the Republic on the Cape (Republiek op de Kaap, RODK), a provisional government is created known as the Sovereign Landowner's Committee (Comité Soeverein Grondeigenaar, CSG) and is an oligarchy run by wealthy landowners
1810-Afrikaans is declared the official language of the Republic on the Cape (now known as the Republiek van die Kaap, RVDK) by the Sovereign Landowner's Committee (now known as the Komitee Soewereine Grondeienaar, KSG)
1820-In the first election, Thomas "Tom" Koeman and Joep Albring are elected as president and prime minister respectively and the KSG is dissolved into the Cape Parliament (Kaapse Parlement)
1821-The War of Independence (Vryheidsoorlog) begins as the Bantu king Siyanda invades the Republic in order to kick the Boers off the mainland
1823-The Battle of the Touws River, Boer militia stop King Siyanda's advance and push him back
1824-Peace is signed between King Siyanda and the Boers, OTL territory of the Western Cape is ceded to the RVDK, RVDK changes name to the South African Republic (Zuid-Afrikaansche Republiek, ZAR)
1826-Slavery is legalized in order to address manpower concerns
1830-President Koeman and Prime Minister Albring are both killed in an assassination by radical abolitionist Gerolt Van Der Laar, Johannes Schoorl and Kerneels Amsing take over as president and prime minister
1834-King Siyanda dies at age 91 and his heir, King Muzikayise, declares the peace treaty of 1824 to be null and void
1838-The War of Defense (Oorlog van Verdediging) starts as King Muzikayise and his ally King Setjhaba invade the South African Republic
1841-Battle of Mossel Bay, South African defeat, thousands of white settlers are killed or escape in boats to Cape Town, King Setjhaba and King Muzikayise split up in a pincer movement
1843-Battle of Bredasdorp, King Setjhaba is defeated and his forces retreat back to King Muzikayise's troops
1845-Battle of Paarl, the Bantu forces are routed by newly acquired Dreyse needle guns
1846-Peace between the Bantu and the Boers, President Schoorl and Prime Minister Amsing are removed from power in a coup by the military, the SGOR is created as a result
1848-Archbishop Leopold Abram of Kaapstad begins a massive program to convert Bantu living in the country to Protestantism, Samantha Assendorp creates the South African Rural Party and lobbies for women's rights and the abolition of slavery, King Muzikayise declares himself Emperor of the Bantu after conquering Lesotho
1849-Assendorp has a meeting with Emperor Muzikayise on the potential for the Boers to expand if the SGOR is removed from power, Assendorp is granted the death sentence in absentia due to this and is barred from re entry into the Republic, she goes into exile in the Netherlands
1850-Tensions rise between the South African Republic and the Zulu Empire

Comparison Points – Political : 3
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2
Comparison Points – Economy : 2
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

Bonus:

<sub>State Flag of the South African Republic


Civil flag and ensign of the South African Republic


War flag of the South African Republic</sub>

[Oscalantine]

Yush! I am back from the dead and accepting claims again~!!... in order... one step at a time...

Btw, when would be the best time to start the IC? The moment I do, I have to stop accepting apps and let my co-OPs handle it (they seem to be doing a good job already, so I can always give them the spot and work on the maps exclusively if needed). Of course, being a little harsher on app approval is always a good thing XDDD

So... if there are enough people who say that they want me to approve stuffs and ask questions, I'll hold off the IC for now. If not, I'll approve up to this point and start making IC and my own app. Whichever way, you folks' call ^^

[Oscalantine]

Full Nation Name : The Golden Khanate
Majority/Official Culture : Offical Cultures are Mongolian and Chinese
Territorial Core : MOngolia and china
Territorial Claim : [[OPTIONAL]]India, Russia, Central Asia, Southeast Asia, Europe.
Capital City : Beijing
Population : 450-500 Million

Government Type :Elected Khanate
Government Ideology/Policies : [[OPTIONAL]][Militant, Imperialist, Expansionist, Capitalist, Industrialist,
Government Focus : The Khanate is still very military focused, but realizes that to have a strong military, you need to have the best tech, the most production, and a happy populace(though they dont actually do this one)
Head of State : Khan Gang Zhang
Head of Government : Chang Liu
Government Description : The Government has three main groups of power and structure. There is the "Chosen Ones" who gain power because the Khan puts them in power. These are mostly the best for the job, though there are some that are chosen because of favors. It has minor, minor corruption. The second main group is the military, which is chosen by the main general the khan elects, though the khan can veto any choices the main general makes. The third group, and the weakest, is a small group of administrators, chosen by the people. They have almost no power, and only real purpose is to keep the civilians happy and in line.

Majority/State Religion : Follows the main Chinese polytheistic beliefs. State sponsors Chi You
Religious Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism, Mercantilism, and a recent heavy focus on industrialization
Major Production : Metals, and Coal. There is a growing production of weapons and refined goods.
Economic Description : With the wealth of resources in china, china is less reliant of other, but does import what it needs too. The Khante doesn't want to be reliant on others, so there is more of a imperialist focus.

Army Strength : Gaining modernization, Extremely good generals. Pretty good discipline.
Army Weakness : Not much experience. Espionage has weakened
Naval Strength : Has some of the best and biggest ships in the world
Naval Weakness : Doesn't actually have many
Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals :
1. To Crush the Russian Scum, and retake the land there.
2. To expand into Central asia
3. To colonize much of the world
4. To take back the indian lands....
National Issues : MASSIVE Ethnic Problems, and a greater wish for democracy from the people. Also, all the other countries around hate them.....
National Figures of Interest :Chi Heng
National Ambition/Aspirations : A modernized China, with good generals, no real ethnic problems, and a lot more land

History : [[Can be in paragraph or bulletpoint timeline.]]
*1217: The Khwarazmians didn't fuck with the mongols
*1218: The Mongol Empire starts preparing for another push into China
*1224: The Mongol Empire invades the weakened Jin Empire
*1227: The Invasion of the Jin empire is over
*1228: Temujin dies, Ögödei ascends to the throne
*1234: Song empire invaded
*1239: Upper Half of Song Empire annxed
*1241: Ögödei sends invasion force into the Khwarazmians area
*1245: Khwarazmian loses 1/7th of their land
*1246: Ögödei dies, Güyük rises to power, sends army into Russia (purpose was scouting and weakening the area)
*1250: Scouting force comes back, with map of the area, and with several destroyed russian principalities
*1255: Khoja Rises to power after his father dies.
*1257: Sends Army into Khwarazmians territory
*1262: Khwarazmians beaten, annexed
*1264: Ismailis invaded
*1267: Khwarazmians uprising
*1270: Khwarazmians crushed
*1274: Ismailis beaten, 1/3 area annexed
*1275: Khan dies, Möngke (his son) comes into power
*1280: Civil War breaks out
*1290: Civil war ends, with Möngke still in power, though the Khwarazmians broke away from the nation
*1300: Black death spreads too the middle east.....
*1340: Black Death Enters Europe....
*1400: Black Death Ends....
*1440: Alaska Discovered. Mongols thinks nothing about it
*1460: Mongols know about everything from Alaska to mexico
*1400-1700: Hiatus in Chinese expansion, with several minor civil wars.
*1700-1750: new farming techniques instituted, population explodes.
*1795: Industrialization begins
*1835: New Khan comes to power. Khan Gang Zhang is one of the bloodiest and most warlike Khan in the history of the Khanate.....


Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 1
Comparison Points – Economy : 4
Comparison Points – Military :4
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

It is overall great app, but you just lack... detail.

I understand that military is not modernized... yes... but I need to know more detail in both strength and weaknesses. Make your military and navy unique, for pete's sake! You are THE MONGOLIANS!

Beyond that... history. I think I am tripping over everyone over history, but seriously, if you could add a bit more detail than less then a sentence per event, I think we are set.

[Benuty]

Full Nation Name : The Golden Khanate
Majority/Official Culture : Offical Cultures are Mongolian and Chinese
Territorial Core : MOngolia and china
Territorial Claim : [[OPTIONAL]]India, Russia, Central Asia, Southeast Asia, Europe.
Capital City : Beijing
Population : 450-500 Million

Government Type :Elected Khanate
Government Ideology/Policies : [[OPTIONAL]][Militant, Imperialist, Expansionist, Capitalist, Industrialist,
Government Focus : The Khanate is still very military focused, but realizes that to have a strong military, you need to have the best tech, the most production, and a happy populace(though they dont actually do this one)
Head of State : Khan Gang Zhang
Head of Government : Chang Liu
Government Description : The Government has three main groups of power and structure. There is the "Chosen Ones" who gain power because the Khan puts them in power. These are mostly the best for the job, though there are some that are chosen because of favors. It has minor, minor corruption. The second main group is the military, which is chosen by the main general the khan elects, though the khan can veto any choices the main general makes. The third group, and the weakest, is a small group of administrators, chosen by the people. They have almost no power, and only real purpose is to keep the civilians happy and in line.

Majority/State Religion : Follows the main Chinese polytheistic beliefs. State sponsors Chi You
Religious Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism, Mercantilism, and a recent heavy focus on industrialization
Major Production : Metals, and Coal. There is a growing production of weapons and refined goods.
Economic Description : With the wealth of resources in china, china is less reliant of other, but does import what it needs too. The Khante doesn't want to be reliant on others, so there is more of a imperialist focus.

Army Strength : Gaining modernization, Extremely good generals. Pretty good discipline.
Army Weakness : Not much experience. Espionage has weakened
Naval Strength : Has some of the best and biggest ships in the world
Naval Weakness : Doesn't actually have many
Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals :
1. To Crush the Russian Scum, and retake the land there.
2. To expand into Central asia
3. To colonize much of the world
4. To take back the indian lands....
National Issues : MASSIVE Ethnic Problems, and a greater wish for democracy from the people. Also, all the other countries around hate them.....
National Figures of Interest :Chi Heng
National Ambition/Aspirations : A modernized China, with good generals, no real ethnic problems, and a lot more land

History : [[Can be in paragraph or bulletpoint timeline.]]
*1217: The Khwarazmians didn't fuck with the mongols
*1218: The Mongol Empire starts preparing for another push into China
*1224: The Mongol Empire invades the weakened Jin Empire
*1227: The Invasion of the Jin empire is over
*1228: Temujin dies, Ögödei ascends to the throne
*1234: Song empire invaded
*1239: Upper Half of Song Empire annxed
*1241: Ögödei sends invasion force into the Khwarazmians area
*1245: Khwarazmian loses 1/7th of their land
*1246: Ögödei dies, Güyük rises to power, sends army into Russia (purpose was scouting and weakening the area)
*1250: Scouting force comes back, with map of the area, and with several destroyed russian principalities
*1255: Khoja Rises to power after his father dies.
*1257: Sends Army into Khwarazmians territory
*1262: Khwarazmians beaten, annexed
*1264: Ismailis invaded
*1267: Khwarazmians uprising
*1270: Khwarazmians crushed
*1274: Ismailis beaten, 1/3 area annexed
*1275: Khan dies, Möngke (his son) comes into power
*1280: Civil War breaks out
*1290: Civil war ends, with Möngke still in power, though the Khwarazmians broke away from the nation
*1300: Black death spreads too the middle east.....
*1340: Black Death Enters Europe....
*1400: Black Death Ends....
*1440: Alaska Discovered. Mongols thinks nothing about it
*1460: Mongols know about everything from Alaska to mexico
*1400-1700: Hiatus in Chinese expansion, with several minor civil wars.
*1700-1750: new farming techniques instituted, population explodes.
*1795: Industrialization begins
*1835: New Khan comes to power. Khan Gang Zhang is one of the bloodiest and most warlike Khan in the history of the Khanate.....


Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 1
Comparison Points – Economy : 4
Comparison Points – Military :4
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

It is overall great app, but you just lack... detail.

I understand that military is not modernized... yes... but I need to know more detail in both strength and weaknesses. Make your military and navy unique, for pete's sake! You are THE MONGOLIANS!

Beyond that... history. I think I am tripping over everyone over history, but seriously, if you could add a bit more detail than less then a sentence per event, I think we are set.

Speaking of history I suppose someone should have the honor of creating a comprehensive timeline to serve as a more realistic alternative divergence history.

[Oscalantine]

Full Nation Name : The Brazilian Empire
Majority/Official Culture :Brazilian
Territorial Core : The parts of this that isn't already taken
Territorial Claim : [[OPTIONAL]] [[region NOT your core where your nation’s ambition lies]]
Capital City : Brasília
Population : 30,635,605

Government Type : Constitutional monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Militant, Imperialist, Expansionist, etc.]]
Government Focus : After the instability following the Second Exodus and the accession of Maria I as the first Empress of Brazil, rather than Queen of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarve the government of the new Brazilian Empire has been hard at work implementing a very ambitious program to transform the former colony into a first world great power. In 1850 this has largely been achieved. Enjoying internal stability and economic prosperity the governments of Pedro II has succesfully pursued conciliação, conciliation between the new Portuguese nobility and the old Brazilian elites, between liberals and conservatives, between country and city and melhoramentos, rapid economic development of the country. These reforms aimed to promote less political partisanship, and forward infrastructure and economic development. The nation was being interconnected through railroad, electric telegraph and steamship lines, uniting it into a single entity.
Head of State : Pedro II, Emperor of Brazil
Head of Government : Luís de Araújo e Lima, Viscount of Sousa
Government Description :

Majority/State Religion : Roman Catholicism
Religious Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism
Major Production : Agricultural products and raw materials
Economic Description : The Brazilian economy is mainly based on agriculture being a world leader in production of coffee, sugar, tobacco, rubber, timber, cotton, skins etc. In recent years it has begun to industrialize.

Army Strength : The Brazilian army is the strongest in Latin America
Army Weakness : Due to a lack of any nearby adversaries the Empire of Brazil has devoted few resources to an army that has no foes to fight. As a result while the army is strong and large enough to crush any adversary in South and Latin America it is ill equipped to fight a foreign great power.
Naval Strength :Unlike its army Brazil has been prioritizing its navy highly building and purchasing a large number of highly potent new ironclad vessels.
Naval Weakness :The Brazilian navy has never had to fight a worthy enemy, having therefore had little chance of getting much experience.
Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals : Continue its path to great power status
National Issues : Maintaining stability
National Figures of Interest : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Are there any Mother Teresas or Moses that we need to know about?]]
National Ambition/Aspirations : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Not really a set objective, but rather the big picture that your nation is drawing towards]]

History :

• 1455-56 While performing the volta de mar after having discovered Cape Verde captain Alvise Cadamosto is blown of course by a storm drifting further out sea and discovering, entirely by accident, Brazil. Upon his return to Portugal he is instructed by Henry the Navigator to explore the new discovery and claim it for Portugal.
  
• 1580 During the Portuguese succession crisis a mass exodus, the First Exodus, of supporters of both António, Prior of Crato and Infanta Catherine of Guimarães, Duchess of Braganza flee to Brazil. António, whose claim enjoys the greatest support, settles with his supporters in Northern Brazil, the part closest to Portugal and most densely settled, setting up his state at Recife, while the Infanta has to settle for the unexplored south, founding a new city of Rio de Janeiro as her capital.
  
• 1595 António dies without legitimate offspring. A dispute breaks out in the Recife state about the future of the de facto independent country with one faction favoring submitting to the Habsburgs of Spain and another suggesting union with the Braganza state in Rio de Janeiro. A compromise is reached with Infanta Catherine's son Teodósio being appointed ruler of the Recife state.
  
• 1614 Infanta Catherine dies and Teodósio inherits the Rio de Janeiro state. As ruler of both Recife and Rio de Janeiro he pledges allegiance to the Habsburgs.
  
• 1640 Taking advantage of political instability in the Habsburg Monarchy John, the son of Teodósio, seizes control of Portugal, reestablishing the country as an independent state. Recognizing his Brazilian heritage he united the Recife and Rio de Janeiro colonies into one Kingdom of Brazil, and independent country in personal union with Portugal.
  
• 1807 A French invasion of Portugal prompts queen Maria I and Prince Regent John to flee Portugal with their court and much of the Portuguese elite to Brazil in the second exodus.
  
• 1815 Maria I, recognizing that a return to Portugal is unlikely to occur, establishes the Brazilian Empire.

Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 0
Comparison Points – Economy : 6
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

I seem to be always talking about the same things.

Military... yes, you want to be the strongest. No, that won't be approved. I need to know HOW you are the strongest military in the Latin region. Like... what makes your nation unique? This WHOLE APP is less about how your nation is the best that ever was, is, and will be... but rather to explain how unique your nation is from the original IRL history and from rest of us other RPers. When you say "I AM ZEE STRUNGEST!!" to me, I have a hard time approving that even with the rest of the app checking out.

Love your history, btw. But... compared to others that I have approved, it falls on a short side. Could you develop it more?

[Oscalantine]

Speaking of history I suppose someone should have the honor of creating a comprehensive timeline to serve as a more realistic alternative divergence history.

Please, honor us with your wise chronology T^T. I would LOVE that.

I am assuming that paradox is likely, if not prevalent, however. So much of history really links with one another that it really takes some dedication to really go through and straighten all the mishaps and misfires as every history of Europe, Asia, Americas, and Africa change.

[Mandicoria]

Full Nation Name : The Brazilian Empire
Majority/Official Culture :Brazilian
Territorial Core : The parts of this that isn't already taken
Territorial Claim : [[OPTIONAL]] [[region NOT your core where your nation’s ambition lies]]
Capital City : Brasília
Population : 30,635,605

Government Type : Constitutional monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Militant, Imperialist, Expansionist, etc.]]
Government Focus : After the instability following the Second Exodus and the accession of Maria I as the first Empress of Brazil, rather than Queen of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarve the government of the new Brazilian Empire has been hard at work implementing a very ambitious program to transform the former colony into a first world great power. In 1850 this has largely been achieved. Enjoying internal stability and economic prosperity the governments of Pedro II has succesfully pursued conciliação, conciliation between the new Portuguese nobility and the old Brazilian elites, between liberals and conservatives, between country and city and melhoramentos, rapid economic development of the country. These reforms aimed to promote less political partisanship, and forward infrastructure and economic development. The nation was being interconnected through railroad, electric telegraph and steamship lines, uniting it into a single entity.
Head of State : Pedro II, Emperor of Brazil
Head of Government : Luís de Araújo e Lima, Viscount of Sousa
Government Description :

Majority/State Religion : Roman Catholicism
Religious Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism
Major Production : Agricultural products and raw materials
Economic Description : The Brazilian economy is mainly based on agriculture being a world leader in production of coffee, sugar, tobacco, rubber, timber, cotton, skins etc. In recent years it has begun to industrialize.

Army Strength : The Brazilian army is the strongest in Latin America
Army Weakness : Due to a lack of any nearby adversaries the Empire of Brazil has devoted few resources to an army that has no foes to fight. As a result while the army is strong and large enough to crush any adversary in South and Latin America it is ill equipped to fight a foreign great power.
Naval Strength :Unlike its army Brazil has been prioritizing its navy highly building and purchasing a large number of highly potent new ironclad vessels.
Naval Weakness :The Brazilian navy has never had to fight a worthy enemy, having therefore had little chance of getting much experience.
Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals : Continue its path to great power status
National Issues : Maintaining stability
National Figures of Interest : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Are there any Mother Teresas or Moses that we need to know about?]]
National Ambition/Aspirations : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Not really a set objective, but rather the big picture that your nation is drawing towards]]

History :

• 1455-56 While performing the volta de mar after having discovered Cape Verde captain Alvise Cadamosto is blown of course by a storm drifting further out sea and discovering, entirely by accident, Brazil. Upon his return to Portugal he is instructed by Henry the Navigator to explore the new discovery and claim it for Portugal.
  
• 1580 During the Portuguese succession crisis a mass exodus, the First Exodus, of supporters of both António, Prior of Crato and Infanta Catherine of Guimarães, Duchess of Braganza flee to Brazil. António, whose claim enjoys the greatest support, settles with his supporters in Northern Brazil, the part closest to Portugal and most densely settled, setting up his state at Recife, while the Infanta has to settle for the unexplored south, founding a new city of Rio de Janeiro as her capital.
  
• 1595 António dies without legitimate offspring. A dispute breaks out in the Recife state about the future of the de facto independent country with one faction favoring submitting to the Habsburgs of Spain and another suggesting union with the Braganza state in Rio de Janeiro. A compromise is reached with Infanta Catherine's son Teodósio being appointed ruler of the Recife state.
  
• 1614 Infanta Catherine dies and Teodósio inherits the Rio de Janeiro state. As ruler of both Recife and Rio de Janeiro he pledges allegiance to the Habsburgs.
  
• 1640 Taking advantage of political instability in the Habsburg Monarchy John, the son of Teodósio, seizes control of Portugal, reestablishing the country as an independent state. Recognizing his Brazilian heritage he united the Recife and Rio de Janeiro colonies into one Kingdom of Brazil, and independent country in personal union with Portugal.
  
• 1807 A French invasion of Portugal prompts queen Maria I and Prince Regent John to flee Portugal with their court and much of the Portuguese elite to Brazil in the second exodus.
  
• 1815 Maria I, recognizing that a return to Portugal is unlikely to occur, establishes the Brazilian Empire.

Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 0
Comparison Points – Economy : 6
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

I seem to be always talking about the same things.

Military... yes, you want to be the strongest. No, that won't be approved. I need to know HOW you are the strongest military in the Latin region. Like... what makes your nation unique? This WHOLE APP is less about how your nation is the best that ever was, is, and will be... but rather to explain how unique your nation is from the original IRL history and from rest of us other RPers. When you say "I AM ZEE STRUNGEST!!" to me, I have a hard time approving that even with the rest of the app checking out.

Love your history, btw. But... compared to others that I have approved, it falls on a short side. Could you develop it more?

Also allow me to mention the pop was WAY over the 1850's Brazillian pop.

[Oscalantine]

I seem to be always talking about the same things.

Military... yes, you want to be the strongest. No, that won't be approved. I need to know HOW you are the strongest military in the Latin region. Like... what makes your nation unique? This WHOLE APP is less about how your nation is the best that ever was, is, and will be... but rather to explain how unique your nation is from the original IRL history and from rest of us other RPers. When you say "I AM ZEE STRUNGEST!!" to me, I have a hard time approving that even with the rest of the app checking out.

Love your history, btw. But... compared to others that I have approved, it falls on a short side. Could you develop it more?

Also allow me to mention the pop was WAY over the 1850's Brazillian pop.

I was naturally assuming that when the head of state moves completely to the colonies, much of the mainland citizens would also. But that is a valid point.

And... someone did mention that colonies would rebel if they realized that the Portugal was a lost cause. It makes sense and I feel like I am kicking Sci particularly harder than others if I did not go out of my way to say that Brazil is already large land grab as is.

[Elerian]

Yush! I am back from the dead and accepting claims again~!!... in order... one step at a time...

Btw, when would be the best time to start the IC? The moment I do, I have to stop accepting apps and let my co-OPs handle it (they seem to be doing a good job already, so I can always give them the spot and work on the maps exclusively if needed). Of course, being a little harsher on app approval is always a good thing XDDD

So... if there are enough people who say that they want me to approve stuffs and ask questions, I'll hold off the IC for now. If not, I'll approve up to this point and start making IC and my own app. Whichever way, you folks' call ^^

If you'd like to work on your app and the IC, now would probably be a good time. I don't think watching over the Coops is really necessary, that's what you appointed them for right? (I'd also kinda like to see what nation you had in mind for yourself)

[Oscalantine]

Full Nation Name : Shai Dynasty
Short Nation Name : Khagan
Majority/Official Culture : Khaganese, British, American, Mongol, Chinese and Batur
Territorial Core : Northeast China, Xilin Gol, Tongliao, Hulunbuir, Hinggan, Chifeng, Kuril Islands, Palau, Guam, Shanxi Province, Wake Island, Khabarovsk Krai, Primorsky Krai and Sakhalin Island
Territorial Claim : Rason, North Hamgyong, Tsingtao and Ryanggong
Capital City : Dragon City (Harbin)
Population : 120,000,000

Government Type : Unitary Constitutional Hereditary Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : Imperialist
Government Focus : The national military is the main focus.
Head of State : Shai Emperor XXXXVI (Li Shai Wu Lang)
Head of Government : Prime Minister Shi Zhong
Government Description : The Khaganese Parliament is the unicameral legislature of Khagan. A new government, either single or coalition, is elected with a new PM each tenth year.

Majority/State Religion : Khaganese Dragonism (dragon worship)
Religious Description : None

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism with feudal elements.
Major Production : Boats, machinery, guns, food, drink, iron, wood and wool
Economic Description : The national economy and industry is very dependent on foreign industry and trading.

Army Strength : It has strong leadership and strong soldiers, primarily the Dragon Knights. Very supplied and modernized, although little ancient.
Army Weakness : Hostile cannons can bring down small troops and longbows are still used by the army.
Naval Strength : Same as the army. It has merchant ships, ironclads, battleships and submarines.
Naval Weakness : The leadership is hard and some ships are too ancient.
Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals : Expand Khagan and spread dragon worship throughout Asia.
National Issues : Extreme reliance on foreign industry, resources, trade and alliance.
National Figures of Interest : None
National Ambition/Aspirations : It's name inspired a Mongol leader title.

History : Khagan has existed as far as 3000 BC with the Kha Dynasty. After the two dynasties came the country's first hagunate (a Khaganese shogunate or feudal military democracy), the Khangdong Hagunate, in 1000 BC. It dissolved in 500 BC and three more dynasties were born. In 900 AD, a second hagunate, the Shangdong Hagunate, was born and ruled the country with an iron fist. In 1198, the Shai Dynasty rose up from the hagunate and began conquering parts of China, Oceania and Russia. In 1698, it halted an invasion of the entire country by the Qing Dynasty, formed by Manchus, Chinese people from Manchuria. In the 18th Century, it began cooperating with the UK, which brought British influence to Khagan such as the English language.

Comparison Points – Political : 2
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 3
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 2
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

Khagan may have the strength of weak farmers, but has the heart of the dragons!!!! May fire rain upon your army!

I felt that you always had a great idea with Shai, but simply was a potential in making and you never finish XDDD

Here's the problem: everything is WAY too short. I understand technological handicap, but your strength is really not well defined. Again, I am not asking buffs or nerfs to your military, but simply tell me the unique features of your military/navy. The whole... Dragon Knights... I would love to know more about them and how they are trained... what kind of role that they play in your army (i.e. shock trooper, infiltration unit, samurai gentry/noble, etc.) and how vital they are to your religion of dragon worship, since it is such a vital point of your app that your goal is to spread the religion.

Speaking of your religion... awesome concept, but I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THEM. Please elaborate in detail the dragon worship. It is such a great potential, and maybe it could spring a change in faith for Koreans and beyond... but you HAVE GOTS to explain what it is, how dragons are worshiped, and what is their pantheon, etc. It IS a new religion, after all, so you seriously need to give a better picture or it will be ignored.

History... IS WAY TOO SHORT. We have an app in making that has CHRONOLOGY of Vikings move from their Scandinavian heartland and moving to India, and his history (apparently still in the works and will become longer) is quite comprehensive... if not downright huge in comparison to yours. And he only goes back to 900 CE... you came ALL THE WAY from 3000 BCE. I need MORE STUFF if you want to bring your nation from the stone ages.

[Mandicoria]

Also allow me to mention the pop was WAY over the 1850's Brazillian pop.

I was naturally assuming that when the head of state moves completely to the colonies, much of the mainland citizens would also. But that is a valid point.

And... someone did mention that colonies would rebel if they realized that the Portugal was a lost cause. It makes sense and I feel like I am kicking Sci particularly harder than others if I did not go out of my way to say that Brazil is already large land grab as is.

Well actually, Brazil isn't that much of a grab for this time period. Since it's population and industry would be much smaller if played realisticly.

[Oscalantine]

Yush! I am back from the dead and accepting claims again~!!... in order... one step at a time...

Btw, when would be the best time to start the IC? The moment I do, I have to stop accepting apps and let my co-OPs handle it (they seem to be doing a good job already, so I can always give them the spot and work on the maps exclusively if needed). Of course, being a little harsher on app approval is always a good thing XDDD

So... if there are enough people who say that they want me to approve stuffs and ask questions, I'll hold off the IC for now. If not, I'll approve up to this point and start making IC and my own app. Whichever way, you folks' call ^^

If you'd like to work on your app and the IC, now would probably be a good time. I don't think watching over the Coops is really necessary, that's what you appointed them for right? (I'd also kinda like to see what nation you had in mind for yourself)

I have A TON of crap to write about XDDD..

yes, Mandi has agreed to help with maps, so I am going to finish administrative business here and get started on IC and my own apps. The enthusiasm is already here, and I should SERIOUSLY meet the demand ^^

[Benuty]

By the way since Charles I won the English Civil War who would the current reigning monarch be?

Obviously the historically accurate monarchs will be changed to quite an extent like the fact William of Orange didn't depose King James II in the Glorious Revolution (since it would have never occurred in this reality).

[New Granadeseret]

Also allow me to mention the pop was WAY over the 1850's Brazillian pop.

I was naturally assuming that when the head of state moves completely to the colonies, much of the mainland citizens would also. But that is a valid point.

And... someone did mention that colonies would rebel if they realized that the Portugal was a lost cause. It makes sense and I feel like I am kicking Sci particularly harder than others if I did not go out of my way to say that Brazil is already large land grab as is.

:/ How exactly does the majority of a country move overseas. Just off the top of my head, but that seems like a logistical nightmare.