1066-A Different World AltHist-OOC

[World Anarchic Union]

History as we know it has changed. The Vikings have defeated the Normans and the British Isles are their for the taking. Meanwhile, the Roman Republic, while having lost some lands, has remained and is an enemy of both the Vikings in the north and the caliphates of Islam in the East and South. Christianity has not spread as much and its strongest supporters are the Kievan Rus. The Roman Republic has retained their lands in Iberia, Greece, Albania, Switzerland, Austria but have been pushed out of the Asian and most African lands except Egypt and Libya. You must choose which side you wish to take and if you want the world to change or remain the same.

Welcome to this RP! I will be the OP here and any help and assistance is most welcome!

RULES:
1)No God-Modding/Metagaming
2)I am OP and my word shall be respected along with my Co-OP(s)
3)No one-liners! One paragraph at least in the IC.
4)All OOC talk in the OOC.
5)Be somewhat realistic especially with the technology of the time.
6)Names and events can be changed as this is Alternate History

OP:World Anarchic Union
Co-OP:Danish Confederacy

Nation App

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NS Name:
Nation Name:
Population:
Territory:
Flag:
History:
Goals of the people:
Goals of the leader(s):
Relationship with the world:

Accepted Nations:

Roman Republic-World Anarchic Union
Kingdom of Svitjod-Das Germaine Imperie
Rai Dynasty: Arvenia
Kingdom of Scotland- Danish Confederacy
Kingdom of Toulouse-Sebtopiaris
Kingdom of England-Caribica
Kingdom of Normandy-People's East Africa
Kingdom of Ireland- People of the Godess of Dune
Slavic Empire- Russian Peoples America
Imperial Ethiopia- Sanabel
Qartāj- Dain II Ironfoot
Almoravid Empire- Zublus
Kingdom of Skandia- Cymrea
Kingdom of Widelyn- Widelyn
Grand Despotate of Balkia- Serbatijan Empire
Kingdom of Wales- Neo-Hellenic Empire
Rajput Rajyar of Mewar- Kumbalgarh
Xuan Dynasty- Deian Salazar
Sassanid Empire- Alsheb
German Empire- Mesrane
Kingdom of Burgundy- Conwy-Shire

Reserved Nations:

The Map
IC:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=343149

[Sebtopiaris]

This is so alternate the spelling of "History" in the OP is alternate.

[World Anarchic Union]

This is so alternate the spelling of "History" in the OP is alternate.

I do not know what you are talking about
Will you join?

[Sebtopiaris]

This is so alternate the spelling of "History" in the OP is alternate.

I do not know what you are talking about
Will you join?

I guess.
If Rome owns Egypt and Lybia (should be an empire, empire came after republic unless you want to include some shit on the republic being restored by Nepos somehow going to Italy and fucking up Odoacer's shit up, or Italy not being taken in the first place and the republic rising again), does that mean the Muslims haven't gone through there and conquered Mauritania? And does that mean that the Moors are independent and Christianised, or is there a surviving Vandal kingdom there?

[Sebtopiaris]

And how the fuck do the east and the west, which are split by language and eventually religion, ever reunite to make one thing that can call itself just rome as opposed to east rome or west rome?

[Sebtopiaris]

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Also, I have a map I can do before apping. Give me a description of which entities exist in which regions of this map.

[World Anarchic Union]

And how the fuck do the east and the west, which are split by language and eventually religion, ever reunite to make one thing that can call itself just rome as opposed to east rome or west rome?

Like they had done for centuries before. The official language is Latin and religion the Roman Pantheon.
I know that the Empire came after the Republic but in this timeline the Republic was never established in the first place nor christianized. The caliphates are planning an invasion of Mauritania, if the player that takes them wishes.

[Sebtopiaris]

And how the fuck do the east and the west, which are split by language and eventually religion, ever reunite to make one thing that can call itself just rome as opposed to east rome or west rome?

Like they had done for centuries before. The official language is Latin and religion the Roman Pantheon.
I know that the Empire came after the Republic but in this timeline the Republic was never established in the first place nor christianized. The caliphates are planning an invasion of Mauritania, if the player that takes them wishes.

K. So... Europe's going to be split to peices and pagan af religiously.
And without Christianity being popularised into an absolute majority by the empire in areas that already have a non-pagan religion in the middle east, you're likely not to get Islam. I guess an Islam ripoff based around Christianity passes, but it's going to take a lot of nestorian influences and maybe take some lessons from people like Manichees, Zoroastians and Jews as well.

[Sebtopiaris]

And if the Empire's not Christian and Christianity's just a persecuted minority religion, what religion are the Normans going to be? They'll be pagans absorbed by a pagan Frankish kingdom, unless the Romans never conquered gaul in this timeline in which case holy fuck big butterflies people this is gonna be cool.

[World Anarchic Union]

Like they had done for centuries before. The official language is Latin and religion the Roman Pantheon.
I know that the Empire came after the Republic but in this timeline the Republic was never established in the first place nor christianized. The caliphates are planning an invasion of Mauritania, if the player that takes them wishes.

K. So... Europe's going to be split to peices and pagan af religiously.
And without Christianity being popularised into an absolute by the empire in areas that already have a non-pagan religion in the middle east, you're likely not to get Islam. I guess an Islam ripoff based around Christianity passes, but it's going to take a lot of nestorian influences and maybe take some lessons from people like Manichees, Zoroastians and Jews as well.

Christianity has been established and there are many believers in Asia and Europe, just mainly the North of it like in the areas of the Klevan Rus.
Islam, on the other hand, has been growing since its inception in Asia.
About Normans, the player with Normandy shall decide.

[Sebtopiaris]

K. So... Europe's going to be split to peices and pagan af religiously.
And without Christianity being popularised into an absolute by the empire in areas that already have a non-pagan religion in the middle east, you're likely not to get Islam. I guess an Islam ripoff based around Christianity passes, but it's going to take a lot of nestorian influences and maybe take some lessons from people like Manichees, Zoroastians and Jews as well.

Christianity has been established and there are many believers in Asia and Europe, just mainly the North of it like in the areas of the Klevan Rus.
Islam, on the other hand, has been growing since its inception in Asia.
About Normans, the player with Normandy shall decide.

The Kievian Rus was intentionally Christianised by Byzantine (eastern roman) missionaries- no Christian rome= no Christian rus.
Islam can exist but if it does it will be radically different. Please note that Islam was forged iirc three centuries after rome FELL, and Rome Christianised several centuries before that.

[World Anarchic Union]

Christianity has been established and there are many believers in Asia and Europe, just mainly the North of it like in the areas of the Klevan Rus.
Islam, on the other hand, has been growing since its inception in Asia.
About Normans, the player with Normandy shall decide.

The Kievian Rus was intentionally Christianised by Byzantine (eastern roman) missionaries- no Christian rome= no Christian rus.
Islam can exist but if it does it will be radically different. Please note that Islam was forged iirc three centuries after rome FELL, and Rome Christianised several centuries before that.

It was Christianized by Byzantium, that I know but here it was Christianized in order to stabd against Rome, which does not tolerate Christianity. The Vikings can be similarly Christianized.

[Das Germane imperie]

Can I reserve the kingdom of Sweden? (The viking kingdom of Svíþjóð)

[Sebtopiaris]

The Kievian Rus was intentionally Christianised by Byzantine (eastern roman) missionaries- no Christian rome= no Christian rus.
Islam can exist but if it does it will be radically different. Please note that Islam was forged iirc three centuries after rome FELL, and Rome Christianised several centuries before that.

It was Christianized by Byzantium, that I know but here it was Christianized in order to stabd against Rome, which does not tolerate Christianity. The Vikings can be similarly Christianized.

Dude, Byzantium was eastern rome, the half which survived the barbarian invasions the west didn't in the 6th century.
Diocletian split the empire in half for administrative ease a few centuries before, so Byzantium was Christian and roman the hole time.
If Christianity is not adopted by Rome Byzantium, as one of the amdinistrative halves of rome created by diocletian, cannot have Christianity.

Unless you mean the Greek city-state that just controlled the tip of thrace and traded with Greece and the Crimea, but that's a piss-weak, small city state with a capital that won't be able to be revitalised into a center of trade without the Romans. Now, the city-state wasn't ever Christian, but with the amount of converts to Christianity in Greece I can see if happening if the Romans don't shitstomp greece.

[World Anarchic Union]

It was Christianized by Byzantium, that I know but here it was Christianized in order to stabd against Rome, which does not tolerate Christianity. The Vikings can be similarly Christianized.

Dude, Byzantium was eastern rome, the half which survived the barbarian invasions the west didn't in the 6th century.
Diocletian split the empire in half for administrative ease a few centuries before, so Byzantium was Christian and roman the hole time.
If Christianity is not adopted by Rome Byzantium, as one of the amdinistrative halves of rome created by diocletian, cannot have Christianity.

Unless you mean the Greek city-state that just controlled the tip of thrace and traded with Greece and the Crimea, but that's a piss-weak, small city state with a capital that won't be able to be revitalised into a center of trade without the Romans.

I know that Byzantium Christianized the Rus, is what I meant in real life. Here, however, the Rus are an enemy of the Republic and have been Christianized in order to show they are against it. The same with Vikings, if they agree.

[Sebtopiaris]

Dude, Byzantium was eastern rome, the half which survived the barbarian invasions the west didn't in the 6th century.
Diocletian split the empire in half for administrative ease a few centuries before, so Byzantium was Christian and roman the hole time.
If Christianity is not adopted by Rome Byzantium, as one of the amdinistrative halves of rome created by diocletian, cannot have Christianity.

Unless you mean the Greek city-state that just controlled the tip of thrace and traded with Greece and the Crimea, but that's a piss-weak, small city state with a capital that won't be able to be revitalised into a center of trade without the Romans.

I know that Byzantium Christianized the Rus, is what I meant in real life. Here, however, the Rus are an enemy of the Republic and have been Christianized in order to show they are against it. The same with Vikings, if they agree.

Dude... there can't be a Christian Byzantium without a Christian Rome because Byzantium comes from Rome.
If you're going to make them convert to something and be edgy, make them convert to Judaism. The Khazars just south of the Rus did that so they weren't forcibly Christianised or Muslimised.

[World Anarchic Union]

I know that Byzantium Christianized the Rus, is what I meant in real life. Here, however, the Rus are an enemy of the Republic and have been Christianized in order to show they are against it. The same with Vikings, if they agree.

Dude... there can't be a Christian Byzantium without a Christian Rome because Byzantium comes from Rome.
If you're going to make them convert to something and be edgy, make them convert to Judaism. The Khazars just south of the Rus did that so they weren't forcibly Christianised or Muslimised.

In this RP the Byzantium has not been Christianized, ok? The Rus have for the reasons I mentioned and tere is going to be a christian kingdom, possibly, in order to make it realistic.

[Sebtopiaris]

Dude... there can't be a Christian Byzantium without a Christian Rome because Byzantium comes from Rome.
If you're going to make them convert to something and be edgy, make them convert to Judaism. The Khazars just south of the Rus did that so they weren't forcibly Christianised or Muslimised.

In this RP the Byzantium has not been Christianized, ok? The Rus have for the reasons I mentioned and tere is going to be a christian kingdom, possibly, in order to make it realistic.

K.
Are they going to be following Nestorian (middle eastern) or some grassroots Greek Christianity (seeing as Orthodox patriarchate was not founded)
And is Byzantium exists Rome has been divided, with a republic in the west and a monarchy in the east, and they're both pagans.
Dis gun be gud, although I have no idea what the POD is.

[Sebtopiaris]

AAAaaaand you've gone offline.
I really hope I didn't upset you. Sorry- I was just trying to make the RP better quality Althist.
I'll be apping soon.

[Das Germane imperie]

NS Name: Das Germane imperie
Nation Name: The kingdom of Svíþjóð (Svitjod)
Population: 320 000
Territory:

(Both the yellow and blue territory, the kingdom of the geats and the kingdom of the svear)

Flag:

History: The kingdom of Svíþjóð is a union of the kingdom of the Geats and the kingdom of the Svear. It is well known for it's merchants overseas and it's warriors for having raided everything from Rus in the east and Ireland in the west. The kingdom of Svíþjóð is Germanic pagan, yet many roman missionaries have tried to convert the northerners. The government system in Svíþjóð is an elective monarchy, with the powerful Jarls choosing kings from the 2 main dynasties: House Folkkung and House Sverker. The two dynasties are rivals and fight over the throne, but the house of Folkung has ruled for a long time now, a time of peace. The king of Svíþjóð right now is King Brosa Ulvbane, a 48 years old veteran from many large raids on the coasts of Western Europe.

Goals of the people: Keep their religion, become safe from the Danes.

Goals of the leader(s): Prove themselfs more powerful than their neighbours, see the Roman Empire fall.

Relationship with the world: All christians despise the kingdom Svíþjóð, as well as the other viking Kingdoms in Scandinavia does because of rivalry. Good relations with Kievan Rus because of trading and the founding of the kingdom of Rus being done with the help of Swedes.

Leader: King Brosa Ulvbane (Wolfbane)

[Arvenia]

NS Name: Arvenia
Informal Nation Name: Khagan
Formal Nation Name: Rai Dynasty (Third Khaganese Empire and Great Rai)
Population: 800,000
Territory: Northeast China, Inner Manchuria, Sakhalin Island, Kuril Islands, Hokkaido, Jeju-do, Primorsky Krai and Khabarovsk Krai
Flag: Rai Flag
History: Khagan was one of the world's first and oldest cultures back in the ancient time. It became the Kha Dynasty, aka the Great Kha and the First Khaganese Empire, in 3000 BC, then Gan Dynasty, aka the Great Gan and the Second Khaganese Empire, in 2000 BC, and later the Khandong Hagunate, a military dictatorship that was formed in 1000 BC. In 500 BC, the last Hagun of Khagan, Hagun Li Hai Huong Dang (560 BC-500 BC), was deposed in a rebellion by the Rai family, who would replace the hagunate with a third Khaganese dynasty, the Rai Dynasty, also known as the Great Rai and the Third Khaganese Empire. With the military government abolished and the imperial rule restored, Khagan became one of the most powerful states in Asia alongside Arabia, China and possibly Persia. The Rai Dynasty created golden-armored dragon-resembling knights known as the Kha Wang (Persica Khaganese for "Dragon Knights"), who serves as both elite soldiers of the Khaganese military and bodyguards of nobles and the imperial family of Khagan. The military has also very own ninjas or secret assassins called the Ninjong (Persica Khaganese for "Ninjas"). Khagan's main dominant religion is the worship of elemental dragons known as both the Khaganese Polytheism and the Khanism, named after the high Yellow Light Dragon God Khan, with one of the four directions involving the worship of the Black Shadow Dragon God Shin, aka the Khaganese Devil, the Khaganese Lucifer and the Khaganese Satan. Khagan's capital is Dragon City, aka Harbin. Khagan has two main people, the main Khaganese, mostly Asians that speaks Khaganese, and Tusken-like nomads called the Baturs, whose name indicates that they immigrated to Khagan from the location around what is called Ulan Bator, the present-day capital of Mongolia. Like most European states, Khagan's legislature is an estate assembly consisting of four estates, the First Estate or the Khandong (Nobles and Warriors), the Second Estate or the Prandong (Priests and Teachers), the Third Estate or Glandong (Businessmen and Artists), and the Fourth Estate or the Hadong (Peasants and Servants).
Goals of the people: Avoid famine, raid and poverty, live wisely, help others and obey the government.
Goals of the leader(s): Protect Khagan, never abuse power, obey the dragon gods and stop rebellions.
Relationship with the world: Good relations with the Chinese, hostile towards the Japanese, neutral towards the Russians, little hostile towards the Ainu and little friendly towards the Mongolians. No known relations with the Arabs and the Europeans.

[World Anarchic Union]

AAAaaaand you've gone offline.
I really hope I didn't upset you. Sorry- I was just trying to make the RP better quality Althist.
I'll be apping soon.

Oh you didn't, do not worry. I had just gone swimming. Maybe I will have the rest of the Balkans be a separate kingdom.
Arvenia and DGE I will review your apps, soon.

[The New Byzantine II]

NS Name: The New Byzantine
Nation Name: Byzantine Empire
Population: 28 million
Territory: Greece, Bulgaria, Crimea, Far-West Turkey, Albania, Macedonia, and Crimea
Flag: The Byzantine flag.
History: Same as IRL.
Goals of the people: Peace, economy, and yeah..
Goals of the leader(s): Spread Christianity and restore the great glory of the Byzantines.
Relationship with the world: Very friendly, although the Byzantine feels threaten from the Caliphate.

[Das Germane imperie]

NS Name: The New Byzantine
Nation Name: Byzantine Empire
Population: 28 million
Territory: Greece, Bulgaria, Crimea, Far-West Turkey, Albania, Macedonia, and Crimea
Flag: The Byzantine flag.
History: Same as IRL.
Goals of the people: Peace, economy, and yeah..
Goals of the leader(s): Spread Christianity and restore the great glory of the Byzantines.
Relationship with the world: Very friendly, although the Byzantine feels threaten from the Caliphate.

How could the Byzantine empire get that much people?

[World Anarchic Union]

NS Name: The New Byzantine
Nation Name: Byzantine Empire
Population: 28 million
Territory: Greece, Bulgaria, Crimea, Far-West Turkey, Albania, Macedonia, and Crimea
Flag: The Byzantine flag.
History: Same as IRL.
Goals of the people: Peace, economy, and yeah..
Goals of the leader(s): Spread Christianity and restore the great glory of the Byzantines.
Relationship with the world: Very friendly, although the Byzantine feels threaten from the Caliphate.

So, Greece and Albania are part of the Roman Republic but you can be the Byzantine Empire without those lands. What do you say? And reduce the population by a bit.