A World Without America II [Invite Only, See Within / OOC ]

by **United Marxist Nations** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:49 pm

Ruridova wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:As a side-question: Since I assume there is no Napoleon, what will happen instead?

TBH the German Empire does kinda look like Napoleon wound up in the Reichswehrmacht, is that close enough?

Wait, Napoleon is in charge of the German army?

*conscripts ALL the peasants*

"Give them all fucking pitchforks, I don't care, but all of them!"

*barricades self inside Kremlin*

by **Unicario** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:00 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Ruridova wrote:TBH the German Empire does kinda look like Napoleon wound up in the Reichswehrmacht, is that close enough?

Wait, Napoleon is in charge of the German army?

*conscripts ALL the peasants*

"Give them all fucking pitchforks, I don't care, but all of them!"

*barricades self inside Kremlin*

Nein, Napoleon Bonaparte is not a member of the German Army. He will appear shortly, though.

Ruridova wrote:As for the actual substance, the way that Catherine speaks about Maria Theresa, Marie Antoinette, and Maximilian Franz/Alexandros did not convey the message that she particularly liked or cared about the Hapsburgs at all. She also doesn't seem to have much respect for Ludwig/Luigi von Zähringen either.

She doesn't particularly like the Habsburgs, no. She was snubbed upon her ascent to the throne, and had a blood feud standing for several years. She is no fan of the Habsburgs, but now that they're no longer a threat to her, she doesn't care.

And she doesn't have much respect for Ludwig von Zähringen either because of his pre-disposition to side with the Habsburgs (marrying a Habsburg princess, him and Alexandros refusing to acknowledge her as Empress of Germany)... but as with before, she doesn't care, as Luigi is literally one of the least threatening things to her these days.

by **Ruridova** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:11 pm

Unicario wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Wait, Napoleon is in charge of the German army?

*conscripts ALL the peasants*

"Give them all fucking pitchforks, I don't care, but all of them!"

*barricades self inside Kremlin*

Nein, Napoleon Bonaparte is not a member of the German Army. He will appear shortly, though.

I feel sorry for him. What is he going to do? No easy power-grabs like OTL for Napoleon ATL.

Ruridova wrote:As for the actual substance, the way that Catherine speaks about Maria Theresa, Marie Antoinette, and Maximilian Franz/Alexandros did not convey the message that she particularly liked or cared about the Hapsburgs at all. She also doesn't seem to have much respect for Ludwig/Luigi von Zähringen either.

She doesn't particularly like the Habsburgs, no. She was snubbed upon her ascent to the throne, and had a blood feud standing for several years. She is no fan of the Habsburgs, but now that they're no longer a threat to her, she doesn't care.

And she doesn't have much respect for Ludwig von Zähringen either because of his pre-disposition to side with the Habsburgs (marrying a Habsburg princess, him and Alexandros refusing to acknowledge her as Empress of Germany)... but as with before, she doesn't care, as Luigi is literally one of the least threatening things to her these days.

At this point, is anybody a threat to her?

by **Unicario** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:24 pm

At this point, is anybody a threat to her?

The Muscovites are numerous in manpower, and could present a challenge to Germany militarily.
The Cossacks, while allies, could also be considered a challenge to Germany.
Great Britain is a threat navally,
The Scandinavians pose a threat resource-wise, being able to close off the northern Baltic passages (at least until Germany builds the Kiel Canal).

by **Ruridova** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:45 pm

Do I have to pick one, or no?

by **Unicario** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:25 am

Ruridova wrote:Do I have to pick one, or no?

You could pick one or the other, or neither. But replying to neither would imply your support for the French conquest.

by **Ruridova** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:57 am

Also, I conquered Sardinia in a war during the timeskip. Vak and I planned this when he was playing as Genoa, before he left. So you can't really ask the Two Sicilies to stay out because France just invaded them.

Ruridova wrote:From 1777 to 1783, the Two Sicilies waged war on the Kingdom of Sardinia-Piedmont, defeating them and annexing the island of Sardinia, ensuring Sicilian dominance over the lower half of the Apennine Peninsula.

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:And I'm planning a massive revocation and rebuilding of Genoa's finances and political spectrum, so hopefully, if their government is more in line to agree with Two Sicilies, TS will be less stressed to invade Sardinia (Ruri).

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:Direct Link

Well, 2 Sicilies is conquering Sardinia in 1777, but that's the only inaccuracy. Very impressive map btw.

by **United Marxist Nations** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:59 am

Unicario wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Wait, Napoleon is in charge of the German army?

*conscripts ALL the peasants*

"Give them all fucking pitchforks, I don't care, but all of them!"

*barricades self inside Kremlin*

Nein, Napoleon Bonaparte is not a member of the German Army. He will appear shortly, though.

False alarm, everyone, we can all go home!

by **Ruridova** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:00 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Unicario wrote:
Nein, Napoleon Bonaparte is not a member of the German Army. He will appear shortly, though.

False alarm, everyone, we can all go home!

But didn't you burn down all your homes and crops so Napoleon couldn't take advantage of them?

by **United Marxist Nations** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:13 am

Ruridova wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:False alarm, everyone, we can all go home!

But didn't you burn down all your homes and crops so Napoleon couldn't take advantage of them?

Shhh! Don't tell the fucking peasants, man!

by **Unicario** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:07 am

I fairly forgot that we didn't retcon Vak's influences in Northern Italy. Oh well, to war, then!

EDIT: I guess France and Germany will enter into a limited conflict -- diplomatic, more so than not.

by **Ruridova** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:26 pm

Brief correction: Apsvourgoi, not Apsvorgoi, is the correct transliteration of "Hapsburgs" from Greek.

It is also Hapsburgs plural; the members of the House Doukas are the Doukai, the members of house Komnenos are the Komnenoi, the members of house Palaiologos are the Palaiologoi. The singular for Apsvourgoi is Apsvourgos or Apsvourgon.

by **Ruridova** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:54 pm

(all items subject to change)

Map
L to R: Two Sicilies, Greece, Cyprus, Kurdistan, Iran, Armenia, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia.

by **The Vaktovian Empire** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:23 pm

Don't suppose now would be a good time to ask to humbly rejoin this RP for like the tenth time after being banned? I do apologize for ranting and realize a higher standard of maturity and RPing ability be made necessary to take such a RP seriously and effectively. Don't know if all of if any of you will accept that apology, including you Uni, but I do indeed apologize and realize the recklessness and stupidity of my actions. And since the summer time is kicking into full gear, I am going to need something to do with this refashioned PC.

Just a thought, take it or leave it for what it is, just trying to look for an RP to get into and active in, and I thought trying to attain to something of normalcy for me back in this RP might be the best option at hand right now....

by **Unicario** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:58 pm

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:Don't suppose now would be a good time to ask to humbly rejoin this RP for like the tenth time after being banned? I do apologize for ranting and realize a higher standard of maturity and RPing ability be made necessary to take such a RP seriously and effectively. Don't know if all of if any of you will accept that apology, including you Uni, but I do indeed apologize and realize the recklessness and stupidity of my actions. And since the summer time is kicking into full gear, I am going to need something to do with this refashioned PC.
Just a thought, take it or leave it for what it is, just trying to look for an RP to get into and active in, and I thought trying to attain to something of normalcy for me back in this RP might be the best option at hand right now....

I'll have to think about it.

Latest map, eh?

by **Bojikami** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:31 pm

Unicario wrote:
The Vaktovian Empire wrote:Don't suppose now would be a good time to ask to humbly rejoin this RP for like the tenth time after being banned? I do apologize for ranting and realize a higher standard of maturity and RPing ability be made necessary to take such a RP seriously and effectively. Don't know if all of if any of you will accept that apology, including you Uni, but I do indeed apologize and realize the recklessness and stupidity of my actions. And since the summer time is kicking into full gear, I am going to need something to do with this refashioned PC.
Just a thought, take it or leave it for what it is, just trying to look for an RP to get into and active in, and I thought trying to attain to something of normalcy for me back in this RP might be the best option at hand right now....

I'll have to think about it.

Latest map, eh?

Gran Colombia took over Spanish Peru and what would be Bolivia.

by **Unicario** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:33 pm

Map fixed. Those horizontal lines in Spain indicate pro-Bourbon rebels (French blue) and Portuguese Restorationists (Brazil green)

by **Unicario** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:35 pm

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:Don't suppose now would be a good time to ask to humbly rejoin this RP for like the tenth time after being banned? I do apologize for ranting and realize a higher standard of maturity and RPing ability be made necessary to take such a RP seriously and effectively. Don't know if all of if any of you will accept that apology, including you Uni, but I do indeed apologize and realize the recklessness and stupidity of my actions. And since the summer time is kicking into full gear, I am going to need something to do with this refashioned PC.
Just a thought, take it or leave it for what it is, just trying to look for an RP to get into and active in, and I thought trying to attain to something of normalcy for me back in this RP might be the best option at hand right now....

I've decided that you may rejoin, but I would prefer you be a minor power. You may work your way back up to a major/larger power in due time; as I need to see you can RP decently first... you ask for some of the smaller nations (eg. one of the Burmese princedoms, one of the Central Asian states, et. al -- give me your choices and I'll either approve or deny them. If you want to play someone's colony, let me know, and I'll talk to them about it.

by **Qianrong** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:55 pm

Uni, didn't we divide up Turkey already? Most of the Ottoman Empire should be Greek, Egyptian, or Persian by now.

by **United Marxist Nations** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:06 pm

Qianrong wrote:Uni, didn't we divide up Turkey already? Most of the Ottoman Empire should be Greek, Egyptian, or Persian by now.

The partition we agreed on is in the far-flung future.

by **The Vaktovian Empire** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:12 pm

Unicario wrote:
The Vaktovian Empire wrote:Don't suppose now would be a good time to ask to humbly rejoin this RP for like the tenth time after being banned? I do apologize for ranting and realize a higher standard of maturity and RPing ability be made necessary to take such a RP seriously and effectively. Don't know if all of if any of you will accept that apology, including you Uni, but I do indeed apologize and realize the recklessness and stupidity of my actions. And since the summer time is kicking into full gear, I am going to need something to do with this refashioned PC.
Just a thought, take it or leave it for what it is, just trying to look for an RP to get into and active in, and I thought trying to attain to something of normalcy for me back in this RP might be the best option at hand right now....

I've decided that you may rejoin, but I would prefer you be a minor power. You may work your way back up to a major/larger power in due time; as I need to see you can RP decently first... you ask for some of the smaller nations (eg. Vietnam, one of the Burmese princedoms, one of the Central Asian states, et. al -- give me your choices and I'll either approve or deny them. If you want to play someone's colony, let me know, and I'll talk to them about it.

Sounds good enough to me. I'm just satisfied with being given a second, albeit if we count past renditions, third chance at this..

I don't know if they'd be too "powerful" for me to have at this time, but some of my ideas are either Persia, the Ottoman Empire, or one of the Central Asian states or more two. I would actually prefer a few of the Central Asian states provided some backstory is already pre-prepared for me, as long as I follow guidelines set forth by Boji (In terms of China) UMN (In terms of Russia) and the like. That way there's no conflict because I've set my sights on a place which is totally still underdeveloped and needs more thorough explanation and a bit of an alt. Mind you, I'll still be adhering to the Muslim-Buddhist-Arab-Cossack-Russian rule format for Central Asia, which means diversity diversity! Until, a genocide takes out one of the major groups and brings war.... huzzah.

by **Unicario** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:33 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Qianrong wrote:Uni, didn't we divide up Turkey already? Most of the Ottoman Empire should be Greek, Egyptian, or Persian by now.

The partition we agreed on is in the far-flung future.

This.

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:
Unicario wrote:
I've decided that you may rejoin, but I would prefer you be a minor power. You may work your way back up to a major/larger power in due time; as I need to see you can RP decently first... you ask for some of the smaller nations (eg. Vietnam, one of the Burmese princedoms, one of the Central Asian states, et. al -- give me your choices and I'll either approve or deny them. If you want to play someone's colony, let me know, and I'll talk to them about it.

Sounds good enough to me. I'm just satisfied with being given a second, albeit if we count past renditions, third chance at this..

I don't know if they'd be too "powerful" for me to have at this time, but some of my ideas are either Persia, the Ottoman Empire, or one of the Central Asian states or more two. I would actually prefer a few of the Central Asian states provided some backstory is already pre-prepared for me, as long as I follow guidelines set forth by Boji (In terms of China) UMN (In terms of Russia) and the like. That way there's no conflict because I've set my sights on a place which is totally still underdeveloped and needs more thorough explanation and a bit of an alt. Mind you, I'll still be adhering to the Muslim-Buddhist-Arab-Cossack-Russian rule format for Central Asia, which means diversity diversity! Until, a genocide takes out one of the major groups and brings war.... huzzah.

You could be one of the Central Asian states, then. Persia and the Turks are off-limits... or you could be Korea.

by **The Vaktovian Empire** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:38 pm

Unicario wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:The partition we agreed on is in the far-flung future.

This.

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:
Sounds good enough to me. I'm just satisfied with being given a second, albeit if we count past renditions, third chance at this..

I don't know if they'd be too "powerful" for me to have at this time, but some of my ideas are either Persia, the Ottoman Empire, or one of the Central Asian states or more two. I would actually prefer a few of the Central Asian states provided some backstory is already pre-prepared for me, as long as I follow guidelines set forth by Boji (In terms of China) UMN (In terms of Russia) and the like. That way there's no conflict because I've set my sights on a place which is totally still underdeveloped and needs more thorough explanation and a bit of an alt. Mind you, I'll still be adhering to the Muslim-Buddhist-Arab-Cossack-Russian rule format for Central Asia, which means diversity diversity! Until, a genocide takes out one of the major groups and brings war.... huzzah.

You could be one of the Central Asian states, then. Persia and the Turks are off-limits... or you could be Korea.

So am I allowed to just pick one of the ones on the map and build up a suitable history from there? Providing I touch on major bumps and plot points where description need be.???

by **Unicario** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:49 pm

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:
Unicario wrote:
This.

You could be one of the Central Asian states, then. Persia and the Turks are off-limits... or you could be Korea.

So am I allowed to just pick one of the ones on the map and build up a suitable history from there? Providing I touch on major bumps and plot points where description need be.???

Go ahead and sandbox Central Asia; create whatever state you want, please invent something interesting; I don't really care. Try to be courteous to Jeff and Boji, though.

by **The Vaktovian Empire** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:07 pm

So far I'm planning on the boundary as parallel as can be with the Caucasus region, and the one closest to it on the Caspain Sea. Now providing whenever the Volga Canal is completed by Russia, or another power, that will give us sea access outside of the Caspian, though I doubt that will be occurring for another hundred or some-odd years. However, my backstory in a rough sketch sees many of the Armenian, Azerbaiji and Georgian peoples being scattered into this region by the White Russians as they attempt to maintain the status quo and eliminate impulsive nationalities in the early 1700's. Might have a few important fictional sovereign Russians escaping here to. In essence, my plan is for a large melting pot. However, some sort of Khanate or Warlord State will have already been formed in that plot of land by the time this migration happens. So, even though the population of the sovereigns outweighs that of the immigrants, there is still sizable population, numbering in the hundred-thousands to possible million or two, into this area of land. As such, (When I get names established in the like)
A state of polarization occurs where many different states are created within the plot I;m speaking of. There will be the Central Asians (similar to that of Kazakhs, Uzbekistanis, etc. These however will primarily by of this date have mainly converted to atheism or polytheist religions (Be ready for a few unique polytheistic movements still popular by this date, but few being the key word, the deviation has been smothered into mainly two or three surviving groups) then there will be the Muslims (Primarily Arabs/ Pakistani origin peoples who will primarily be in Southeast quadrants by this time in history.
Then, there will be the Georgians, Armenians, and Azerbaijis (The Caucasians, trying for a different style name though) which will be primarily garnished on the coast and still to this day set up in some temporary boarding houses, settlements and cities.
As well as this, there may be a Turkish group (obviously different from the Muslims/ Arabs in their own right) but that's still up to decision at this point.
Finally, there will be the Russians/ Caucasians which are of Russian loyalty and royal value and descent. During the purge and pilgrimage in the early 1700s there will be some Russians who will see it as an opportunity to break away from the Russian Empire and establish a smaller, yet better controlled dynasty for themselves. This will include some aristocrats, wealthy and middle class, along with numerous military officers [all non-real] They'll bring along with them arms and such which are superior to those of the Arabs, Caucasians, or Central Asians, and they will continue to have black market contacts in Russia, Turkey, and other places to supply them with up-to-date arms and schemes for producing newer style weapons.
Finally, after years of immigration (This period will be set somewhere probably between 1725-1740, giving it a 15 year cushion to allow for ample immigrants and a good explanation, there comes the decisive decision one who will rule (still unnamed country) In turn, I'll draw up the summary of some drawn out conflict, and hence thereafter there will be a one geographic state, but two-governmental body state, with the Russians and those of wealth and value ruling a Northern section, and the Arabs, Caucasians, and possible Turks in the lower region. There will be some fluxations of Buddhists as well, although both sides will work their part to exterminate those Buddhists that attempt takeovers, while blaming the other for mass genocide. At some point, Uni, if you're then feeling optimistic and convinced enough to extend my territorial constraints further, then I'll push out from all directions the borders of that primary small geographic body.

This is all, however, as long as Boji, you, and Jeff are all okay with the idea, and the rest don't see it as overbearing.

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