A World Without America II [Invite Only, See Within / OOC ]

by **Bojikami** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:24 pm

Nation canons in a nutshell:

China

Ming Dynasty defeats the Manchu invasions and goes on to conquer the region, along with Tibet, Mongolia, and some of central asia. In the late 1700s the Empire enters an era of peace as the conquests of the Chongzhen and Longdi Emperors. In 1795 the Longdi Emperor dies and his son, Zhu Rong-Zhi takes the throne. Zhu Rong-Zhi has fairly strong liberal beliefs and begins opening up Chinese society and modernising the parts of society he finds reactionary. Through his benevolence and great reforms of Chinese society in favor of the commoner, he became worshipped by many Chinese citizens as a living god, while some reactionaries in in the clergy and bureaucracy decried him as a Socialist or a radical liberal. While many peasants ignore this, the military grows ever wary of the growth of the Emperor's power and holds him hostage in the forbidden city in 1895 until the Emperor's suicide in 1903. Following his suicide, a written statement is released by Sun Yat-Sen a Chinese Republican and General which causes Sun Yat-Sen along with a peasant army of 500 to storm Beijing and bring an end to the military junta.

With the end of the junta, Sun Yat-Sen becomes the first President of the Harmonious and Serene Republic of China and leads China to becoming a democratic nation, leading by the principles of "Democracy, Liberty, and Socialism". He ends his term in 1922 where Li Dizhao, a Chinese communist is elected into power and China is renamed "The Federal Republic of China" to remove the religious references of the previous presidency. Mao Zedong never becomes leader of China, but instead becomes a children's television star, like a Chinese Mr. Rodgers. Also, only Jeff and Uni will get this, but he invents Ragú.

More to come as I write them out.

by **Ruridova** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:25 pm

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by **Epraria** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:06 am

Well good to know Iran can't escape the Islamic Republic.

by **The Vaktovian Empire** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:16 pm

And yes, yes I did just create two non-real African tribes in the Southwest of the West Africa region. I mean, throw in a bit of creative history in the mix, right? Realize that post is also moderately believable and contemporary, so it isn't breaking any boundaries of credibility or believeableness. However, I won't be applying for either of those because they are basically NPC's I will be building around Spanish culture but also introducing original African culture and techniques to. Kinda of a bit of a project.

@Uni, so she doesn't get upset.... Realize that the Kelmaria State does not go over the IRL border of Guinea, which I will be adding them to a Prototype map of which you can edit to update for your "official" version, because I want to make sure the borders are right. In effect, Kelmaria and Gatemalia, and whatever other small tribes I encorporate into this little pet project won't go out of the sphere of the general IRL lands of Liberia, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Guinea-Bissau (where Spain currently possesses a colony as far as the map anyway as of right now)

by **Unicario** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:25 pm

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:And yes, yes I did just create two non-real African tribes in the Southwest of the West Africa region. I mean, throw in a bit of creative history in the mix, right? Realize that post is also moderately believable and contemporary, so it isn't breaking any boundaries of credibility or believeableness. However, I won't be applying for either of those because they are basically NPC's I will be building around Spanish culture but also introducing original African culture and techniques to. Kinda of a bit of a project.

@Uni, so she doesn't get upset.... Realize that the Kelmaria State does not go over the IRL border of Guinea, which I will be adding them to a Prototype map of which you can edit to update for your "official" version, because I want to make sure the borders are right. In effect, Kelmaria and Gatemalia, and whatever other small tribes I encorporate into this little pet project won't go out of the sphere of the general IRL lands of Liberia, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Guinea-Bissau (where Spain currently possesses a colony as far as the map anyway as of right now)

Doesn't matter, Egypt wants no European settlement of West Africa. At all. Period. Egypt will relentlessly pursue a campaign to weaken your influence or outright break it.

EDIT: Also, where does Spain have colonies in West Africa? I call hax.

by **Unicario** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:31 pm

VETO. Vaktovian Empire never applied to play as "Gatemalia" or whatever. Therefore he cannot RP their existence. Disregard Vak's last post.

EDIT:

VETO 2: Somehow your little tribes have urbanized, turned into westernized powers and become "prosperous" overnight? Nope, bullshit. Retcon.
VETO 3: Your tribes have spontaneously appeared as *Kingdoms*, when most of West Africa, the pre-existing power base had long-term origin, primarily around the remnants of the Songhai and Mali Empires.

by **The Vaktovian Empire** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:35 pm

Unicario wrote:
The Vaktovian Empire wrote:And yes, yes I did just create two non-real African tribes in the Southwest of the West Africa region. I mean, throw in a bit of creative history in the mix, right? Realize that post is also moderately believable and contemporary, so it isn't breaking any boundaries of credibility or believeableness. However, I won't be applying for either of those because they are basically NPC's I will be building around Spanish culture but also introducing original African culture and techniques to. Kinda of a bit of a project.

@Uni, so she doesn't get upset.... Realize that the Kelmaria State does not go over the IRL border of Guinea, which I will be adding them to a Prototype map of which you can edit to update for your "official" version, because I want to make sure the borders are right. In effect, Kelmaria and Gatemalia, and whatever other small tribes I encorporate into this little pet project won't go out of the sphere of the general IRL lands of Liberia, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Guinea-Bissau (where Spain currently possesses a colony as far as the map anyway as of right now)

Doesn't matter, Egypt wants no European settlement of West Africa. At all. Period. Egypt will relentlessly pursue a campaign to weaken your influence or outright break it.

EDIT: Also, where does Spain have colonies in West Africa? I call hax.

I never said I had colonies in West Africa.....

by **Unicario** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:36 pm

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:
Unicario wrote:
Doesn't matter, Egypt wants no European settlement of West Africa. At all. Period. Egypt will relentlessly pursue a campaign to weaken your influence or outright break it.

EDIT: Also, where does Spain have colonies in West Africa? I call hax.

I never said I had colonies in West Africa.....

(where Spain currently possesses a colony as far as the map anyway as of right now)

by **The Vaktovian Empire** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:37 pm

Unicario wrote:VETO. Vaktovian Empire never applied to play as "Gatemalia" or whatever. Therefore he cannot RP their existence. Disregard Vak's last post.

EDIT:

VETO 2: Somehow your little tribes have urbanized, turned into westernized powers and become "prosperous" overnight? Nope, bullshit. Retcon.
VETO 3: Your tribes have spontaneously appeared as *Kingdoms*, when most of West Africa, the pre-existing power base had long-term origin, primarily around the remnants of the Songhai and Mali Empires.

1. Never applied because they were a NPC.
2. Never said urbanization, besides in the port cities, based on the 6 month effect Spain has been talking to the specific African state in question.
3. There were many warlords in Africa, mine is just going by the title of King, because of simplicity sake and again, Western influence.
4. Consider this my formal resignation from this RP.

by **The Vaktovian Empire** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:38 pm

Unicario wrote:
The Vaktovian Empire wrote:
I never said I had colonies in West Africa.....

(where Spain currently possesses a colony as far as the map anyway as of right now)

Gee, look at your map, and then see how where Guinea-Bissau would be in Modern-Day, there is a small Spanish colored coastal colony, No?

by **Unicario** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:39 pm

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:
Unicario wrote:VETO. Vaktovian Empire never applied to play as "Gatemalia" or whatever. Therefore he cannot RP their existence. Disregard Vak's last post.

EDIT:

VETO 2: Somehow your little tribes have urbanized, turned into westernized powers and become "prosperous" overnight? Nope, bullshit. Retcon.
VETO 3: Your tribes have spontaneously appeared as *Kingdoms*, when most of West Africa, the pre-existing power base had long-term origin, primarily around the remnants of the Songhai and Mali Empires.

1. Never applied because they were a NPC.
2. Never said urbanization, besides in the port cities, based on the 6 month effect Spain has been talking to the specific African state in question.
3. There were many warlords in Africa, mine is just going by the title of King, because of simplicity sake and again, Western influence.
4. Consider this my formal resignation from this RP.

1. You can't play an NPC as a non-OP, especially because of the fact you're using it entirely as a means of expanding Egypt's power.
2. "6 month effect", this is the first time you've mentioned them in the entire RP. No, quit making excuses
3. Yeah, but your little Kingdom was born out of nowhere, never mentioned before, because the tribe is imaginary.
4. ... @_@

by **The Vaktovian Empire** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:43 pm

Unicario wrote:
The Vaktovian Empire wrote:
1. Never applied because they were a NPC.
2. Never said urbanization, besides in the port cities, based on the 6 month effect Spain has been talking to the specific African state in question.
3. There were many warlords in Africa, mine is just going by the title of King, because of simplicity sake and again, Western influence.
4. Consider this my formal resignation from this RP.

1. You can't play an NPC as a non-OP, especially because of the fact you're using it entirely as a means of expanding Egypt's power.
2. "6 month effect", this is the first time you've mentioned them in the entire RP. No, quit making excuses
3. Yeah, but your little Kingdom was born out of nowhere, never mentioned before, because the tribe is imaginary.
4. ... @_@

3. Yeah, tribe is imaginary because guess what... isn't the point of this RP to have semi-realism involved? There was no legit state controlling ALL the territory in Africa in 1775. So yeah, I did make them up. I was trying to be creative. The Spanish were never going to effectively conquer either, it was just, as I said, a pet project, that I would be doing to occupy my time since I have no major adversaries atm and the IC is getting dull. But ya know, don't read into my posts and just skim them over not trying to conceive what I might actually be trying to do, because who am I right?

EDIT: Yeah, resignation is in the books.

by **Unicario** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:44 pm

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:
Unicario wrote:
1. You can't play an NPC as a non-OP, especially because of the fact you're using it entirely as a means of expanding Egypt's power.
2. "6 month effect", this is the first time you've mentioned them in the entire RP. No, quit making excuses
3. Yeah, but your little Kingdom was born out of nowhere, never mentioned before, because the tribe is imaginary.
4. ... @_@

3. Yeah, tribe is imaginary because guess what... isn't the point of this RP to have semi-realism involved? There was no legit state controlling ALL the territory in Africa in 1775. So yeah, I did make them up. I was trying to be creative. The Spanish were never going to effectively conquer either, it was just, as I said, a pet project, that I would be doing to occupy my time since I have no major adversaries atm and the IC is getting dull. But ya know, don't read into my posts and just skim them over not trying to conceive what I might actually be trying to do, because who am I right?

EDIT: Yeah, resignation is in the books.

I'm sorry, I see you posting Spanish-backed establishment of a random civilization that you've given no mention of prior to now, and I'm just supposed to be like "uh, okay"? No, I'm going to question it because it's questionable since you've mentioned you want to colonize Africa and contain Egyptian influence. Also, don't bloody weaponize resigning. Either resign or don't -- you're not going to get me to concede shit by pulling that.

by **The Vaktovian Empire** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:55 pm

Christ, I mean, we're doing everything so by the book and literally being force-fed whatever you want us to. Have you considered maybe some of us have equally as cool and neat ideas for some parts of the world that because it gets in the way of your GRAND EMPIRE of EGYPT, or GREAT STATE OF GERMANY, or REPUBLIC OF FRANCE, etc etc, that you're going to force-feed your ideas upon us? I mean, there is ABSOLUTELY, EFFECTIVELY, no good reason or excuse you could make as to why I can't place as the Venetian Republic, as I did say Italian Unification would not be a worry, both by TG and OOC.
Furthermore, there is no reason why this imaginary state cannot exist, because it doesn't harm or affect anyone. Africa is going to be colonized eventually in this RP. That is a given. Egypt can't control the entire African continent and neither can Germany be the sole colonial power. Speaking of which, why does Germany already get such a big chunk in Africa, oh yeah, because they're going to control 1/3 of Western Europe AT LEAST. You've basically made yourself OP, and made sure your plans for every superpower you create work out, while the rest of us suffer in 3rd world hellholes like Two Sicilies, Greece, Spain, Russia, etc. And you get to tell everyone else how logic plays into the matter, because what you're GOD? NO. Sorry, the OP doesn't control absolute logic. Unless you want to be an autocratic bigot. I mean, you kinda are anyway. But WHO AM I right? I mean, you have been treating us all like shit, besides Boji, because he doesn't really care, but you've got to further your goals because what, you got cheated last RP? I mean, you could cry about that, regardless of the fact you controlled one of the most inconceivable Japanese Empires of all time, and the Dutch, and that little rump state in South America, and STILL MANAGED TO BOSS ME AROUND. But again, who am I right? Who am I? I mean, that's none of my business, yatta, yatta yatta. I'm done.

This Post officially states that resigns from the AWWA Second Installment, for the reasons of Unfair Rights, Constant Pressure and Unjust Treatment, and Overall Lack of Control Of Oneself's Own Rights.

Signed,

Vak

by **Unicario** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:57 pm

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out, mate.

by **United Marxist Nations** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:01 pm

As someone who has been, in general, fairly opposed to Uni thus far, I agree with him in this; you can apply for a fictional tribe, then build it up, but you can't make up a non-existent NPC at an indeterminate level of development, then just have it do whatever you want inexplicably, with nothing role-played. Yeah, I'll admit that Uni & I have done a few gamey things (particularly Japan already having sent an expedition to Europe to gather info on modern warfare & Uni gettng NGF so quickly), but this would be a whole new level. Especially with the sheer brazenness of this:

You went out of the way to be combative about it.

About me · by **Luziyca** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:09 pm

*headdesks*

Dear God. It wasn't that bad last time around. *sigh*

by **Bojikami** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:10 pm

Vak, you need to calm down. I've no qualms against you making fictional tribes, but you didn't even apply for these tribes, and somehow they are fully modern without any real explanation? I'm sorry, that's implausible, even in a world with the NGF, a modernised China, and other gamey things. You can only push the thing so far, you know?

About me · by **Luziyca** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:12 pm

Bojikami wrote:Vak, you need to calm down. I've no qualms against you making fictional tribes, but you didn't even apply for these tribes, and somehow they are fully modern without any real explanation? I'm sorry, that's implausible, even in a world with the NGF, a modernised China, and other gamey things. You can only push the thing so far, you know?

Indeed. Though Bojikami, I really doubt that your China was as modern as mine was in AWWA1.

I mean, the Qing went as far as colonizing Africa, for crying out loud!

by **Unicario** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:12 pm

I just want it to go on the record that I have a really large amount of power encoded in the RP's rules that let me exercise influence over the world's affairs and people's canons, but I don't like doing that, so I do try to be relatively fair, but sometimes I just can't.

Luziyca wrote:
Bojikami wrote:Vak, you need to calm down. I've no qualms against you making fictional tribes, but you didn't even apply for these tribes, and somehow they are fully modern without any real explanation? I'm sorry, that's implausible, even in a world with the NGF, a modernised China, and other gamey things. You can only push the thing so far, you know?

Indeed. Though Bojikami, I really doubt that your China was as modern as mine was in AWWA1. I mean, the Qing went as far as colonizing Africa, for crying out loud!

Luz, shush, your China was carried on the back of Japan.

by **Bojikami** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:13 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Bojikami wrote:Vak, you need to calm down. I've no qualms against you making fictional tribes, but you didn't even apply for these tribes, and somehow they are fully modern without any real explanation? I'm sorry, that's implausible, even in a world with the NGF, a modernised China, and other gamey things. You can only push the thing so far, you know?

Indeed. Though Bojikami, I really doubt that your China was as modern as mine was in AWWA1. I mean, the Qing went as far as colonizing Africa, for crying out loud!

The Ming are on tier with Europe, but I don't forsee anything like African colonisation until like the 1800s like everyone else.

About me · by **Luziyca** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:16 pm

Unicario wrote:I just want it to go on the record that I have a really large amount of power encoded in the RP's rules that let me exercise influence over the world's affairs and people's canons, but I don't like doing that, so I do try to be relatively fair, but sometimes I just can't.

Luziyca wrote:Indeed. Though Bojikami, I really doubt that your China was as modern as mine was in AWWA1. I mean, the Qing went as far as colonizing Africa, for crying out loud!

Luz, shush, your China was carried on the back of Japan.

Yeah, I understand that.

Also, ha.

Bojikami wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Indeed. Though Bojikami, I really doubt that your China was as modern as mine was in AWWA1. I mean, the Qing went as far as colonizing Africa, for crying out loud!

The Ming are on tier with Europe, but I don't forsee anything like African colonisation until like the 1800s like everyone else.

Ah, I did not realize that. Korea may try and have a go at it in the 1800s. Also, there will be a revolution in 1848 in Korea that causes the Empire of Korea to be formed.

by **Bojikami** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:17 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Unicario wrote:I just want it to go on the record that I have a really large amount of power encoded in the RP's rules that let me exercise influence over the world's affairs and people's canons, but I don't like doing that, so I do try to be relatively fair, but sometimes I just can't.

Luz, shush, your China was carried on the back of Japan.

Yeah, I understand that.

Also, ha.

Bojikami wrote:The Ming are on tier with Europe, but I don't forsee anything like African colonisation until like the 1800s like everyone else.

Ah, I did not realize that. Korea may try and have a go at it in the 1800s. Also, there will be a revolution in 1848 in Korea that causes the Empire of Korea to be formed.

I did tell you that China would be willing to elevating Korea to normal tributary status in the 1800s. You can still be an empire and be under the tributary system (example: Empire of Dai Viet)

by **Unicario** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:23 pm

For all formality, I hereby accept Vak's resignation and hereby cast him out.

That being said, is anybody overly opposed to be using OP power to invoke a Capellite vs. Bourbonnaise civil war in Spain? I figure it's a good plot element to throw in now that Vak left. France is still agitating for Bourbon restoration, and Capello can't have complete support from his nobility.

About me · by **Luziyca** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:25 pm

Bojikami wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Yeah, I understand that.

Also, ha.

Ah, I did not realize that. Korea may try and have a go at it in the 1800s. Also, there will be a revolution in 1848 in Korea that causes the Empire of Korea to be formed.

I did tell you that China would be willing to elevating Korea to normal tributary status in the 1800s. You can still be an empire and be under the tributary system (example: Empire of Dai Viet)

I know. That said, 1848 will be when Korea ends the tradition of paying tributes to Beijing and assert itself as a sovereign and independent country.

Unicario wrote:For all formality, I hereby accept Vak's resignation and hereby cast him out.

That being said, is anybody overly opposed to be using OP power to invoke a Capellite vs. Bourbonnaise civil war in Spain? I figure it's a good plot element to throw in now that Vak left. France is still agitating for Bourbon restoration, and Capello can't have complete support from his nobility.

I salute you.

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