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The Vaktovian Empire
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Postby The Vaktovian Empire » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:13 pm

Unicario wrote:
The Vaktovian Empire wrote:NS Name: The Vaktovian Empire
Nation Claimed: Austrian Empire
Head of State: Joseph II- House of Hapsburg
Head of Government: N/A
Capital: Vienna
Government type: Absolute Monarchy/ Holy Roman Empire


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Genoa approved, Austria denied.


Wtf

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Postby The Vaktovian Empire » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:18 pm

I'm leaving. I can't deal with this one sided bigotry. The responsibility and maturity qualities certain people in this RP believe there is a lack therof in me will forever be unchanged, so I guess there's nothing I can do to accomplish anything collectively in this RP, I mean, if I'm that hated and untrustworthy. So..... I *Salute* you all and this RP.

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Postby Bojikami » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:22 pm

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:I'm leaving. I can't deal with this one sided bigotry. The responsibility and maturity qualities certain people in this RP believe there is a lack therof in me will forever be unchanged, so I guess there's nothing I can do to accomplish anything collectively in this RP, I mean, if I'm that hated and untrustworthy. So..... I *Salute* you all and this RP.

Please do not leave.
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(some areas unfinished)
(lists subject to change)

founded 1773
KINGS
1773-1801 | ALEXANDROS I Apsvorgoi
1801-1838 | FILIPPOS Apsvorgoi
1838-1845 | GIORGIOS I Apsvorgoi
1845-1882 | NIKOLAOS Apsvorgoi
1882-1885 | STAVROS Apsvorgoi
1885-1896 | IOANNIS I Apsvorgoi
1896-1922 | ALEXANDROS II Apsvorgoi
1922-1928 | GIORGIOS II Apsvorgoi
1928-1939 | KONSTANTINOS Apsvorgoi
1939-1978 | ANDREAS Apsvorgoi
1978-1989 | IOANNIS II Apsvorgoi
1989-2014 | GIORGIOS III Apsvorgoi
2014-____ | STEFANOS Apsvorgoi
Heir Presumptive | PAVLOS Apsvorgoi

PRIME MINISTERS (between 1773 and 1777 Konstantinos Mavrikios was interim leader)
1777-1787 | Konstantinos MAVRIKIOS
1787-1792 | Giorgios ANGELOPOLOUS
1792-1797 | Adamantios KORAIS
1797-1817 | Giorgios ANGELOPOLOUS
1817-1822 | Ioannnis KAPODISTRAS
1822-1827 | Petros MAVROMICHALIS
1827-1832 | Andreas ZAIMIS
1832-1837 | Giorgios MAVROMICHALIS
1837-1842 | Augustinos KAPODISTRAS
1842-1847 | Spyridon TRIKOUPIS
1847-1847 | Ioannis KOLETTIS
1847-1852 | Alexandros MAVROKORDATOS
1852-1857 | Dimitrios VOULGARIS
1857-1862 | Anathasios MIAOULIS
1862-1867 | Zinovios VALVIS
1867-1872 | Alexandros KOUMOUNDOUROS
1872-1877 | Thrasyvoulos ZAIMIS
1877-1882 | Charilaos TRIKOUPIS
1882-1887 | Theodoros DELIGIANNIS
1887-1892 | Dimitrios VALVIS
1892-1897 | Sotirios SOTIROPOLOUS
1897-1902 | Giorgios THEOTOKIS
1902-1910 | Kyriakoulis MAVROMICHALIS
1910-1912 | Stefanos DRAGOUMIS
1912-1917 | Eleftherios VENIZELOS
1917-1920 | Nikolaos KALOGEROPOULOS
1920-1922 | Nikolaos STRATOS
1922-1927 | Eleftherios VENIZELOS
1927-1932 | Stylianos GONATAS
1932-1936 | Eleftherios VENIZELOS
1936-1937 | Themistoklis SOFOULIS
1937-1941 | Ioannis METAXAS
1941-1942 | Emmanouil TSOUDEROS
1942-1944 | Alexandros OTHONAIOS
1944-1947 | Giorgios TSOLAKOGLOU
1947-1952 | Alexandros SVOLOS
1952-1953 | Nikolaos PLASTIRAS
1953-1957 | Konstantinos TSALDARIS
1957-1958 | Markos VAFIADIS
1958-1962 | Konstantinos KARAMANLIS
1962-1964 | Sofokolis VENIZELOS
1964-1967 | Giorgios PAPANDREOU
1967-1972 | Giorgios PAPADOPOULOS
1972-1974 | Michail MOUSKOS
1974-1977 | Adamantios ANDROUTSOPOLOUS
1977-1982 | Andreas PAPANDREOU
1982-1987 | Xenofon ZOLOTAS
1987-1992 | Konstantinos MITSOTAKIS
1992-2002 | Konstantinos SIMITIS
2002-2007 | Panagiotis PIKRAMENNOS
2007-2012 | Antonis SAMARA
2012-2014 | Prokopis PAVLOPOULOS
2014-2015 | Nikos ANASTASIADES
2015-____ | Alexis TSIPRAS

founded 1959
PRESIDENTS
1959-1969 | Fazil KUCUK
1969-1979 | Rauf DENTKAS
1979-1984 | Dervis EROGLU
1984-1989 | Mustafa CAGATAY
1989-1994 | Hakki ATUN
1994-1999 | Huseyin OZGURGUN
1999-2004 | Irsen KUCUK
2004-2009 | Sibel SIBER
2009-2014 | Fatma EKENOGLU
2014-____ | Ozkan YORGANCIOGLU

founded 1238 but leaders will not be listed before 1768
KINGS
1768-1782 | TAKSIN Thonburi
1782-1809 | RAMA I Chakri
1809-1824 | RAMA II Chakri
1824-1851 | RAMA III Chakri
1851-1868 | RAMA IV Chakri
1868-1910 | RAMA V Chakri
1910-1925 | RAMA VI Chakri
1925-1935 | RAMA VII Chakri
1935-1946 | RAMA VIII Chakri
1946-____ | RAMA IX Chakri
Heir Presumptive | RAMA X Chakri

PRIME MINISTERS (the title of prime minister was created in 1932 after a military coup forced a constitution on Rama VII)
1932-1942 | Phraya Phahon PHONPHAYUHASENA
1942-1944 | Plaek PHIBUNSONGKHRAM
1944-1945 | Khuang APHIAWONG
1945-1946 | Tawee BOONYAKET
1946-1947 | Thawan THAMRONGNAWASAWAT
1947-1948 | Khuang APHIAWONG
1948-1957 | Plaek PHIBUNSONGKHRAM
1957-1958 | Pote SASARIN
1958-1958 | Thanom KITTIKACHORN
1958-1973 | Sarit THANARAT
1973-1975 | Kukrit PRAMOJ
1975-1980 | Sangad CHALORYU
1980-1988 | Prem TINSULANONDA
1988-1991 | Chatichai CHOONHAVAN
1991-1992 | Sunthorn KONGSOMPONG
1992-1995 | Suchinda KRAPRAYOON
1995-2001 | Banharn SILPA-ARCHA
2001-2006 | Thaksin SHINAWATRA
2006-2008 | Chalit PUKBHASUK
2008-2011 | Somchai WONGSAWAT
2011-2014 | Yingluck SHINAWATRA
2014-____ | Prayuth CHAN-OCHA

founded 1863
KINGS
1863-1904 | NORODOM Norodom
1904-1927 | SISOWATH Sisowath
1927-1941 | SISOWATH MONIVONG Sisowath
1941-1955 | NORODOM SIHANOUK Norodom
1955-1960 | NORODOM SURAMARIT Norodom

PREMIERS (the title of premier was created after the deposition of the monarchy by the Khmer Rouge)
1960-1962 | Tou SAMOTH
1962-1987 | Pol POT
1987-1989 | Khieu SAMPHAN
1987-1993 | Nuon CHEA

PRESIDENTS (in the Cambodian Civil War, the National Salvation Front established its own government and defeated the Khmer Rouge)
1981-1983 | Pen SOVAN
1983-1991 | Heng SAMRIN
1991-1997 | Chea SIM
1997-2001 | Ung HUOT
2001-2005 | Sam RAINSY
2005-____ | Hun SEN

founded 1946
KINGS
1946-1959 | SISAVANG VONG Khun Lo
1959-1975 | SISAVANG VATTHANA Khun Lo

PRESIDENTS (the title of president was created after the deposition of the monarchy by the Pathet Lao)
1975-1991 | Souphanavong PHOUMA
1991-1992 | Kaysone PHOMVIHANE
1992-1998 | Nouhak PHOUMSAVANH
1998-2006 | Khamtai SIPHANDON
2006-____ | Choummaly SAYASONE

founded 1770
KINGS
1770-1830 | LUIGI di Zahringen
1830-1852 | FEDERICO di Zahringen
1852-1907 | VITTORIO I di Zahringen
1907-1928 | BIANCA di Zahringen
1928-1956 | VITTORIO II di Zahringen
1956-1981 | UMBERTO di Zahringen
1981-____ | FRANCESCO di Zahringen
Heir Apparent | PIETRO di Zahringen
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"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me; I was sick and you looked after me; I was in prison and you came to visit me... Truly, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers and sisters, you did for me."
- the Gospel of Matthew, 25:35-40

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Postby Ruridova » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:46 pm

Flags post

GREECE
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Interim flag used by Greek rebels.
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Flag of the Hellenic State.

CYPRUS
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Flag of the Republic of Cyprus.

THAILAND
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Flag of the Kingdom of Siam.
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Flag of the Kingdom of Thailand.

LAOS
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Flag of the Kingdom of Laos.
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Flag of the Lao People's Democratic Republic.

CAMBODIA
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Flag of the Kingdom of Cambodia.
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Flag of Democratic Cambodia.
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Flag of the People's Republic of Cambodia.

TWO SICILIES
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Flag of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies.
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Республіка Рюрідова - Королівство Вілкія
"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me; I was sick and you looked after me; I was in prison and you came to visit me... Truly, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers and sisters, you did for me."
- the Gospel of Matthew, 25:35-40

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Postby Unicario » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:49 pm

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:I'm leaving. I can't deal with this one sided bigotry. The responsibility and maturity qualities certain people in this RP believe there is a lack therof in me will forever be unchanged, so I guess there's nothing I can do to accomplish anything collectively in this RP, I mean, if I'm that hated and untrustworthy. So..... I *Salute* you all and this RP.


I don't want you as Austria because thus far you have done absolutely nothing to prove you're capable of handling a country like Austria.
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NATION NAMES:

Greece: Hellenic State - Ελληνική Πολιτεία
Cyprus: Republic of Cyprus - Kıbrıs Cumhuriyeti
Two Sicilies: Kingdom of the Two Sicilies - Regno delle Due Sicilie
Thailand: Kingdom of Thailand - ราชอาณาจักรไทย
Laos: Kingdom of Laos - ອານາຈັກຂອງລາວ
Lao People's Democratic Republic - ສາທາລະນະຊາທິປະໄຕຄົນລາວຂອງ
Cambodia: Kingdom of Cambodia - ព្រះរាជាណាចក្រកម្ពុជា
Democratic Cambodia - កម្ពុជាប្រជាធិបតេយ្យ
People's Republic of Cambodia - សាធារណរដ្ឋប្រជាមានិតកម្ពុជា
Республіка Рюрідова - Королівство Вілкія
"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me; I was sick and you looked after me; I was in prison and you came to visit me... Truly, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers and sisters, you did for me."
- the Gospel of Matthew, 25:35-40

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:58 pm

Flags of the Takeda Shogunate (aside from the official Rising sun banner:

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This banner functions as the war flag and was used by Takeda Shingen, who united Japan under his Shogunate. It reads: "as swift as wind, as silent as forest, as fierce as fire, as unshakeable as mountain."
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.

Eastern Orthodox Catechumen. Religious communitarian with Sorelian, Marxist, and Traditionalist influences. Sympathies toward Sunni Islam. All flags/avatars are chosen for aesthetic or humor purposes only
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The Vaktovian Empire
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Postby The Vaktovian Empire » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:59 pm

Unicario wrote:
The Vaktovian Empire wrote:I'm leaving. I can't deal with this one sided bigotry. The responsibility and maturity qualities certain people in this RP believe there is a lack therof in me will forever be unchanged, so I guess there's nothing I can do to accomplish anything collectively in this RP, I mean, if I'm that hated and untrustworthy. So..... I *Salute* you all and this RP.


I don't want you as Austria because thus far you have done absolutely nothing to prove you're capable of handling a country like Austria.


You'll never know till you try. You gotta give to receive....

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Postby Ruridova » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:00 pm

Unicario wrote:
The Vaktovian Empire wrote:I'm leaving. I can't deal with this one sided bigotry. The responsibility and maturity qualities certain people in this RP believe there is a lack therof in me will forever be unchanged, so I guess there's nothing I can do to accomplish anything collectively in this RP, I mean, if I'm that hated and untrustworthy. So..... I *Salute* you all and this RP.


I don't want you as Austria because thus far you have done absolutely nothing to prove you're capable of handling a country like Austria.

The worst that could happen is that he would run Austria into the ground, and that's been your plan all along anyways.
Республіка Рюрідова - Королівство Вілкія
"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me; I was sick and you looked after me; I was in prison and you came to visit me... Truly, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers and sisters, you did for me."
- the Gospel of Matthew, 25:35-40

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The Vaktovian Empire
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Postby The Vaktovian Empire » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:30 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:
I don't want you as Austria because thus far you have done absolutely nothing to prove you're capable of handling a country like Austria.

The worst that could happen is that he would run Austria into the ground, and that's been your plan all along anyways.


^^ True, I'm not gonna make it that easy though. :p

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Postby Bojikami » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:32 pm

Ruri, I think you have your Khmer flags reversed.
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Postby Ruridova » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:34 pm

Bojikami wrote:Ruri, I think you have your Khmer flags reversed.

'Tis ATL. I can change flags as I please.
Республіка Рюрідова - Королівство Вілкія
"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me; I was sick and you looked after me; I was in prison and you came to visit me... Truly, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers and sisters, you did for me."
- the Gospel of Matthew, 25:35-40

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Postby Bojikami » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:38 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Bojikami wrote:Ruri, I think you have your Khmer flags reversed.

'Tis ATL. I can change flags as I please.

I know, I just thought there was some reversal due to the usage of the Khmer Rouge flag for the monarchy.
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Postby Ruridova » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:40 pm

Bojikami wrote:
Ruridova wrote:'Tis ATL. I can change flags as I please.

I know, I just thought there was some reversal due to the usage of the Khmer Rouge flag for the monarchy.

You put the subtitle with the wrong flag. The subtitle refers to the flag ABOVE it, not the flag below it.
Республіка Рюрідова - Королівство Вілкія
"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me; I was sick and you looked after me; I was in prison and you came to visit me... Truly, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers and sisters, you did for me."
- the Gospel of Matthew, 25:35-40

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Postby Bojikami » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:43 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Bojikami wrote:I know, I just thought there was some reversal due to the usage of the Khmer Rouge flag for the monarchy.

You put the subtitle with the wrong flag. The subtitle refers to the flag ABOVE it, not the flag below it.

Ah, I see now. My eyes are messed up when I don't wear glasses. :)
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Postby Unicario » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:06 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:
I don't want you as Austria because thus far you have done absolutely nothing to prove you're capable of handling a country like Austria.

The worst that could happen is that he would run Austria into the ground, and that's been your plan all along anyways.


But that is the point. I don't want Austria to simply run into the ground. I want a certain standard. If Vak can show and demonstrate good RPing ability in his other nations, I will reconsider it. I'll even go so far as to declare Austria in OP reserve until later. I will speak to Vak about a possible chance to be Austria under certain agreements of how Austria shall go. We will see. Vak, I will consider possibly talking to you about it.

Also, guys, a rule clarification.

Vassalization of player nations is permitted. If a player nation is vassalized and forced to kneel before a larger empire, then, that player will still have his/her nation. However, his/her overlord, Player A, will be able to tell them what they can and cannot do in terms of IC. Like, you can't negotiate treaties, only I can... or, I control all of your armed forces (though Player B can create underground resistance militia to counter it, even if that wasn't a thing in 1775.)

If Player B (vassalized) disagrees with Player A's choices and jurisdiction, they can either resign the vassal nation and pick another one to replace it, or, they can wage a revolutionary war against their overlord to declare independence. Either one is legal. OP and Co-OP will be responsible for checking to make sure there is no metagaming or godmodding going on in these regions. Overlords can't muster 100% of the nation to their cause, most people would resist in some manner.
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The Vaktovian Empire
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Postby The Vaktovian Empire » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:08 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:The worst that could happen is that he would run Austria into the ground, and that's been your plan all along anyways.


But that is the point. I don't want Austria to simply run into the ground. I want a certain standard. If Vak can show and demonstrate good RPing ability in his other nations, I will reconsider it. I'll even go so far as to declare Austria in OP reserve until later. I will speak to Vak about a possible chance to be Austria under certain agreements of how Austria shall go. We will see. Vak, I will consider possibly talking to you about it.

Also, guys, a rule clarification.

Vassalization of player nations is permitted. If a player nation is vassalized and forced to kneel before a larger empire, then, that player will still have his/her nation. However, his/her overlord, Player A, will be able to tell them what they can and cannot do in terms of IC. Like, you can't negotiate treaties, only I can... or, I control all of your armed forces (though Player B can create underground resistance militia to counter it, even if that wasn't a thing in 1775.)

If Player B (vassalized) disagrees with Player A's choices and jurisdiction, they can either resign the vassal nation and pick another one to replace it, or, they can wage a revolutionary war against their overlord to declare independence. Either one is legal. OP and Co-OP will be responsible for checking to make sure there is no metagaming or godmodding going on in these regions. Overlords can't muster 100% of the nation to their cause, most people would resist in some manner.


I'm satisfied with your proposal, however this rule clarification has my mind spinning. :eyebrow:

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The Vaktovian Empire
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Postby The Vaktovian Empire » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:09 pm

Nevermind, I get it.

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Postby Bojikami » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:10 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:The worst that could happen is that he would run Austria into the ground, and that's been your plan all along anyways.


But that is the point. I don't want Austria to simply run into the ground. I want a certain standard. If Vak can show and demonstrate good RPing ability in his other nations, I will reconsider it. I'll even go so far as to declare Austria in OP reserve until later. I will speak to Vak about a possible chance to be Austria under certain agreements of how Austria shall go. We will see. Vak, I will consider possibly talking to you about it.

Also, guys, a rule clarification.

Vassalization of player nations is permitted. If a player nation is vassalized and forced to kneel before a larger empire, then, that player will still have his/her nation. However, his/her overlord, Player A, will be able to tell them what they can and cannot do in terms of IC. Like, you can't negotiate treaties, only I can... or, I control all of your armed forces (though Player B can create underground resistance militia to counter it, even if that wasn't a thing in 1775.)

If Player B (vassalized) disagrees with Player A's choices and jurisdiction, they can either resign the vassal nation and pick another one to replace it, or, they can wage a revolutionary war against their overlord to declare independence. Either one is legal. OP and Co-OP will be responsible for checking to make sure there is no metagaming or godmodding going on in these regions. Overlords can't muster 100% of the nation to their cause, most people would resist in some manner.

So... that means China has hegemony?
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Postby Unicario » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:13 pm

Bojikami wrote:
Unicario wrote:
But that is the point. I don't want Austria to simply run into the ground. I want a certain standard. If Vak can show and demonstrate good RPing ability in his other nations, I will reconsider it. I'll even go so far as to declare Austria in OP reserve until later. I will speak to Vak about a possible chance to be Austria under certain agreements of how Austria shall go. We will see. Vak, I will consider possibly talking to you about it.

Also, guys, a rule clarification.

Vassalization of player nations is permitted. If a player nation is vassalized and forced to kneel before a larger empire, then, that player will still have his/her nation. However, his/her overlord, Player A, will be able to tell them what they can and cannot do in terms of IC. Like, you can't negotiate treaties, only I can... or, I control all of your armed forces (though Player B can create underground resistance militia to counter it, even if that wasn't a thing in 1775.)

If Player B (vassalized) disagrees with Player A's choices and jurisdiction, they can either resign the vassal nation and pick another one to replace it, or, they can wage a revolutionary war against their overlord to declare independence. Either one is legal. OP and Co-OP will be responsible for checking to make sure there is no metagaming or godmodding going on in these regions. Overlords can't muster 100% of the nation to their cause, most people would resist in some manner.

So... that means China has hegemony?


Since China (aka you) is the overlord, you can tell Korea what they can and cannot do in terms of diplomacy. You cannot do the same to the "tributary states", since they're technically sovereign lords. Korea is obviously under Chinese authority. ^^
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Dai Ginkaigan Teikoku
Head of State: Ranko XIX Tentai
Ruling party is the Zenminjintō (Socialist Coalition)
Ginkaigan is currently at peace.

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Unicario
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Founded: Nov 27, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Unicario » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:18 pm

For Vaktovia's benefit, and for everyone's benefit, I'm going to post this. The system of "controlling" straits and passages will follow the rule of straits in Darkest Hour: A Hearts of Iron Game, therefore, they are entirely of someone else's creating, and not mine. ;)

Strait of Gibraltar
Controller is controller of Gibraltar
Controller can block military and merchant marines from passing in and out at discretion.
Controller Right Now: United Kingdom

Strait of Malacca
Controller must be in control of Singapore
Controller can block military and merchant marines from passing in and out at discretion.
Controller Right Now: Netherlands

Taiwanese Strait
Controller must have greatest naval parity in the Strait
Controller can block military from passing in and out at discretion.
Controller Right Now: China

Black Sea Tolls
Controller must controls Constantinople on both sides of the Bosphorous.
Only allies of controller may pass in and out of the region.
Controller Right Now: Ottoman Empire

Aegean Sea Strait
Controller must control Naxos, Rhodes and Gallipoli.
Only allies of controller may pass in and out of the region unless otherwise declared.
Controller right now: Ottoman Empire

Suez Canal
NOT YET BUILT

Panama Canal
NOT YET BUILT

Nicaragua Canal
NOT YET BUILT
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Dai Ginkaigan Teikoku
Head of State: Ranko XIX Tentai
Ruling party is the Zenminjintō (Socialist Coalition)
Ginkaigan is currently at peace.

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The Vaktovian Empire
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Founded: Aug 16, 2011
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby The Vaktovian Empire » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:22 pm

Unicario wrote:For Vaktovia's benefit, and for everyone's benefit, I'm going to post this. The system of "controlling" straits and passages will follow the rule of straits in Darkest Hour: A Hearts of Iron Game, therefore, they are entirely of someone else's creating, and not mine. ;)

Strait of Gibraltar
Controller is controller of Gibraltar
Controller can block military and merchant marines from passing in and out at discretion.
Controller Right Now: United Kingdom

Strait of Malacca
Controller must be in control of Singapore
Controller can block military and merchant marines from passing in and out at discretion.
Controller Right Now: Netherlands

Taiwanese Strait
Controller must have greatest naval parity in the Strait
Controller can block military from passing in and out at discretion.
Controller Right Now: China

Black Sea Tolls
Controller must controls Constantinople on both sides of the Bosphorous.
Only allies of controller may pass in and out of the region.
Controller Right Now: Ottoman Empire

Aegean Sea Strait
Controller must control Naxos, Rhodes and Gallipoli.
Only allies of controller may pass in and out of the region unless otherwise declared.
Controller right now: Ottoman Empire

Suez Canal
NOT YET BUILT

Panama Canal
NOT YET BUILT

Nicaragua Canal
NOT YET BUILT


So I assume you want me to retcon some things from my IC post?

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Luziyca
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Founded: Nov 13, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Luziyca » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:27 pm

Bojikami wrote:
Unicario wrote:
But that is the point. I don't want Austria to simply run into the ground. I want a certain standard. If Vak can show and demonstrate good RPing ability in his other nations, I will reconsider it. I'll even go so far as to declare Austria in OP reserve until later. I will speak to Vak about a possible chance to be Austria under certain agreements of how Austria shall go. We will see. Vak, I will consider possibly talking to you about it.

Also, guys, a rule clarification.

Vassalization of player nations is permitted. If a player nation is vassalized and forced to kneel before a larger empire, then, that player will still have his/her nation. However, his/her overlord, Player A, will be able to tell them what they can and cannot do in terms of IC. Like, you can't negotiate treaties, only I can... or, I control all of your armed forces (though Player B can create underground resistance militia to counter it, even if that wasn't a thing in 1775.)

If Player B (vassalized) disagrees with Player A's choices and jurisdiction, they can either resign the vassal nation and pick another one to replace it, or, they can wage a revolutionary war against their overlord to declare independence. Either one is legal. OP and Co-OP will be responsible for checking to make sure there is no metagaming or godmodding going on in these regions. Overlords can't muster 100% of the nation to their cause, most people would resist in some manner.

So... that means China has hegemony?

For now. Once Yeongjo dies however, his son will probably attempt to get Korea to declare independence from China, albeit gradually (i.e. allowing the Dutch and British to expand their presence, but only keep direct control of Nampo and Incheon respectively, constitutional monarchy, before culminating in independence).
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Ex-Nation

Postby Bojikami » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:29 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Bojikami wrote:So... that means China has hegemony?

For now. Once Yeongjo dies however, his son will probably attempt to get Korea to declare independence from China, albeit gradually (i.e. allowing the Dutch and British to expand their presence, but only keep direct control of Nampo and Incheon respectively, constitutional monarchy, before culminating in independence).

If Korea declares independence, China will gain a province.
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