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Unicario
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Postby Unicario » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:33 pm

Pfft.

Also; because of a discovery I have made, I shall hereby declare the following. Ruri, I am, in writing, giving you Harvey Milk and Jackie Kennedy -- both of them are Long Islanders. :p

However, I am hoarding John Williams. He shall write the beautiful, beautiful music for Eternal Soldiers.

Speaking of that, I forgot something.
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Postby Ruridova » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:50 pm

Unicario wrote:Also; because of a discovery I have made, I shall hereby declare the following. Ruri, I am, in writing, giving you Harvey Milk and Jackie Kennedy -- both of them are Long Islanders. :p

On Jacqueline Kennedy, keep in mind I did give the Kennedys to Canada when we restarted the whole thing. So it might be better if you gave Jackie to Shrill.

I will gladly accept Milk, though. The Confederate counterculture, civil rights, and the power movements will make the 50s, 60s, and 70s interesting even as the CSA stays largely noninterventionist.
Республіка Рюрідова - Королівство Вілкія
"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me; I was sick and you looked after me; I was in prison and you came to visit me... Truly, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers and sisters, you did for me."
- the Gospel of Matthew, 25:35-40

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Postby Luziyca » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:52 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:Also; because of a discovery I have made, I shall hereby declare the following. Ruri, I am, in writing, giving you Harvey Milk and Jackie Kennedy -- both of them are Long Islanders. :p

On Jacqueline Kennedy, keep in mind I did give the Kennedys to Canada when we restarted the whole thing. So it might be better if you gave Jackie to Shrill.

I will gladly accept Milk, though. The Confederate counterculture, civil rights, and the power movements will make the 50s, 60s, and 70s interesting even as the CSA stays largely noninterventionist.

IIRC, Shrill gave you JFK.
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Postby Unicario » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:21 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:Also; because of a discovery I have made, I shall hereby declare the following. Ruri, I am, in writing, giving you Harvey Milk and Jackie Kennedy -- both of them are Long Islanders. :p

On Jacqueline Kennedy, keep in mind I did give the Kennedys to Canada when we restarted the whole thing. So it might be better if you gave Jackie to Shrill.

I will gladly accept Milk, though. The Confederate counterculture, civil rights, and the power movements will make the 50s, 60s, and 70s interesting even as the CSA stays largely noninterventionist.


I thought you had Kennedy back again, hence why he gets assassinated in Texas in 1963?
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Postby Luziyca » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:26 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:On Jacqueline Kennedy, keep in mind I did give the Kennedys to Canada when we restarted the whole thing. So it might be better if you gave Jackie to Shrill.

I will gladly accept Milk, though. The Confederate counterculture, civil rights, and the power movements will make the 50s, 60s, and 70s interesting even as the CSA stays largely noninterventionist.


I thought you had Kennedy back again, hence why he gets assassinated in Texas in 1963?

Yeah. Pretty sure he did.
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Postby Unicario » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:31 pm

And Japan-CS relations in the 60s are now completely justifiable -- if Jacqueline Kennedy is a Japanese citizen and native, the Japanese would be more friendly to them. Japanese press would be caught up in Camelot fever. :p
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Postby Ruridova » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:48 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:On Jacqueline Kennedy, keep in mind I did give the Kennedys to Canada when we restarted the whole thing. So it might be better if you gave Jackie to Shrill.

I will gladly accept Milk, though. The Confederate counterculture, civil rights, and the power movements will make the 50s, 60s, and 70s interesting even as the CSA stays largely noninterventionist.


I thought you had Kennedy back again, hence why he gets assassinated in Texas in 1963?

Kennedy is Canadian, I gave the Kennedys to Shrill a while back. IIRC JFK was visiting the CSA for whatever reason, and the Indonesians just happened to shoot him there.
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"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me; I was sick and you looked after me; I was in prison and you came to visit me... Truly, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers and sisters, you did for me."
- the Gospel of Matthew, 25:35-40

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Postby Unicario » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:11 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:
I thought you had Kennedy back again, hence why he gets assassinated in Texas in 1963?

Kennedy is Canadian, I gave the Kennedys to Shrill a while back. IIRC JFK was visiting the CSA for whatever reason, and the Indonesians just happened to shoot him there.


Oh. Well. What was the reason the CSA joins the Indonesian War, again? I think it was just mass terrorism.
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Postby Unicario » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:51 pm

Fun fact: Dr. King once said that the response to his actions in attempts to get rid of housing discrimination in Chicago,, IL was more violent and hostile than his struggles in the South. Canada's little bit of struggle with civil rights is going to be far worse than the CSA's -- radical black movements oops.
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Postby Unicario » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:57 pm

Shiryūshima (支流島, "tributary island")
As established by Final Reform Settlement On The Matters of Japanese Hokubei, promulgated 1899; which established the "administrative region" of Hokubei (北米), of which there is only one administrative region -- Shiryuushima.

Kawashi Prefecture (formerly Kings County)
川市 - Kawashi - "river city" (formerly Brooklyn)

Total Population: 2,636,735 (2015)

Kisaki Prefecture (formerly Queens County)
- Kisaki - "queen" (formerly Queens)

Total Population: 2,321,580 (2015)

Tenshin Prefecture ("divine will, zenith, providence"; formerly Nassau County)
北岸 - Kitagishi - "northern shore" (formerly Musketa Cove)
砂州島 - Sasushima - "sandbar island" (formerly Long Beach)
拘束村 - Kōsokumura - "restrained village" (formerly Hempstead/Southern Hempstead)
カキ江 - Kakikō - "oyster bay" (formerly Oyster Bay)

Total Population: 1,361,350 (2015)

Aozora Prefecture ("blue sky"; formerly Suffolk County)
大都市 - Daitoshi - "great city" (formerly Babylon)
記念松 - Kinenmatsu - "memorial pines" (formerly Brookhaven)
進捗村 - Shinchoku-mura - "progress village" (formerly East Hampton)
平然水 - Heizenmizu - "placid water" (formerly Huntington)
水源 - Suigen - "river head" (formerly Riverhead)
避難所島 - Hinanshoshima - "shelter island" (formerly Shelter Island)
(formerly Smithtown)
(formerly Southhampton)
(formerly Southhold)

(formerly Amityville)
(formerly Asharoken)
(formerly Babylon)
(formerly Belle Terre)
(formerly Bellport)
(formerly Brightwaters)
(formerly Dering Harbor)
(formerly East Hampton)
(formerly Greenport)
(formerly Head of the Harbor)
(formerly Huntington Bay)
(formerly Islandia)
(formerly Lake Grove)
(formerly Lindenhurst)
(formerly Lloyd Harbor)
(formerly Mastic Beach)
(formerly Nissequogue)
(formerly North Haven)
(formerly Northport)
(formerly Ocean Beach)
(formerly Old Field)
(formerly Patchogue)
(formerly Poquott)
(formerly Port Jefferson)
(formerly Quogue)
(formerly Sag Harbor)
(formerly Sagaponack)
(formerly Saltaire)
(formerly Shoreham)
明るい浜 - Akaruihama - "bright beaches" (formerly Southampton)
(formerly Village of the Branch)
(formerly Westhampton Beach)
(formerly West Hampton Dunes)

Total Population: 1,501,587 (2015)




Total population of Long Island: 7,821,252 people (4th largest in Japan, approximate as of 2015)

I'll finish these last ones later. :p
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Postby Unicario » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:00 pm

So; I'm confused now. Who the fuck has John F. Kennedy; is he the Prime Minister of Canada in the 1960s; or is he the President of the CSA!?
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Postby Ruridova » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:09 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Kennedy is Canadian, I gave the Kennedys to Shrill a while back. IIRC JFK was visiting the CSA for whatever reason, and the Indonesians just happened to shoot him there.


Oh. Well. What was the reason the CSA joins the Indonesian War, again? I think it was just mass terrorism.

Honestly, they might not, given the ongoing domestic turmoil and the fact that the CSA is far less interventionist than the USA. If they do get involved, it'll probably be because the Indonesian who kills Kennedy also kills Lee Harvey Oswald and J.D. Tippit ATL, and Oswald and Tippit would both be Confederates.
Unicario wrote:So; I'm confused now. Who the fuck has John F. Kennedy; is he the Prime Minister of Canada in the 1960s; or is he the President of the CSA!?

The most recent of my leadership lists shows the CSA as having three presidents in the 1960s: Dwight Eisenhower, Albert Chandler, and Lyndon Baines Johnson.

The most recent of Shrill's leadership lists shows Canada as having three prime ministers during the 1960s: John Diefenbaker, Lester Bowles Pearson, and George McGovern. It also notes "JFK became leader of the Liberals in 1958, but he was assassinated earlier in '63 before the Liberals won the general election". Ted Kennedy then becomes prime minister in the 1980s.

So, Kennedy holds neither the Prime Ministry of Canada or the Presidency of the Confederacy, but the Kennedys are Canadian and thus Shrill's.
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"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me; I was sick and you looked after me; I was in prison and you came to visit me... Truly, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers and sisters, you did for me."
- the Gospel of Matthew, 25:35-40

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[ quietly has Kennedy's widow become Chancellor of Japan in 1969 ]
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Postby Ruridova » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:17 pm

(countries who have not been fully reworked in accordance with the new RP are listed as having no leaders presently)
(assuming no serious governmental changes currently unplanned occur in any of my countries:)

BRAZIL founded 1815

HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (re)founded 1821
1821-1838 | FRIEDRICH WILHELM Hohenzollern of Prussia
1838-1861 | ALBERT Wettin of Saxony
1861-1886 | LUDWIG V Wittelsbach of Bavaria
1886-1911 | WILHELM Hohenzollern of Prussia
1911-1946 | FRANZ FERDINAND Hapsburg of Austria
1946-1975 | PHILIPP ALBRECHT Wurttemburg-Althausen of Wurttemburg
1975-1992 | LEOPOLD III Wannenstaufen of Bohemia
1992-____ | ERNST AUGUST Brunswick-Luneburg-Hanover of Hanover

1821-1824 | Gustav KOERNER
1824-1833 | Klemens VON METTERNICHT
1833-1839 | Friedrich HECKER
1839-1848 | Gustav VON STRUVE
1848-1854 | Joseph REICHARD
1854-1857 | Daniel VON FENNERBURG
1857-1863 | Franz SIGEL
1863-1866 | Heinrich VON GAGERN
1866-1869 | Albrecht VON ROON
1869-1875 | Karl VON AUERSPERG
1875-1890 | Otto VON BISMARCK
1890-1893 | Leo VON CAPRIVI
1893-1902 | Chlodwig HOHENLOHE-SCHILLINGSFÜRST
1902-1908 | Bernhard VON BÜLOW
1908-1917 | Theobald VON BETHMANN-HOLLWEG
1917-1920 | Georg MICHAELIS
1920-1923 | Friedrich EBERT
1923-1926 | Gustav BAUER
1926-1932 | Gustav STRESEMANN
1932-1941 | Franz VON PAPEN
1941-1947 | Johann VON KROSGIK
1947-1956 | Konrad ADENAUER
1956-1962 | Julius RAAB
1962-1968 | Otto GROHEWOHL
1968-1974 | Herbert FRAHM
1974-1983 | Erich HONECKER
1983-1992 | Helmut KOHL
1992-1995 | Sabine BERGMANN-POHL
1995-2001 | Kurt WALDHEIM
2001-2004 | Gerhard SCHRÖDER
2004-2007 | Barbara PRAMMER
2007-____ | Angela MERKEL


QUEBEC founded 1834
1834-1846 | Louis-Joseph PAPINEAU
1846-1854 | Jean-Olivier CHÉNIER
1854-1858 | François-Marie DE LORIMIER
1858-1862 | Étienne-Paschal TACHÉ
1862-1866 | Georges-Étienne CARTIER
1866-1874 | Gédéon OUIMET
1874-1878 | Henri-Gustave DE LOTBINIÉRE
1878-1886 | Louis-Olivier TAILLON
1886-1894 | Honoré MERCIER
1894-1902 | Félix-Gabriel MARCHAND
1902-1910 | Lomer GOUIN
1910-1918 | Wilfrid LAURIER
1918-1926 | Louis-Alexandre TASCHEREAU
1926-1930 | Adélard GODBOUT
1930-1946 | Maurice DUPLESSIS
1946-1954 | Paul SAUVÉ
1954-1962 | Louis SAINT-LAURENT
1962-1966 | Jean LESANGE
1966-1970 | Jean-Jacques BERTRAND
1970-1982 | Pierre TRUDEAU
1982-1986 | René LÉVESQUE
1986-1990 | Brian MULRONEY
1990-1998 | Jacques PARIZEAU
1998-2002 | Lucien BOUCHARD
2002-2010 | Jean CHAREST
2010-2014 | Pauline MAROIS
2014-____ | Justin TRUDEAU


CONFEDERACY founded 1834
1834-1842 | Winfield SCOTT
1842-1846 | John Caldwell CALHOUN
1846-1850 | James Knox POLK
1850-1851 | William Henry HARRISON
1851-1851 | Zachary TAYLOR
1851-1854 | Henry CLAY
1854-1858 | Samuel HOUSTON
1858-1862 | Jefferson DAVIS
1862-1870 | Robert Edward LEE
1870-1878 | Andrew JOHNSON
1878-1882 | Joseph Fielding SMITH, Sr.
1882-1890 | Richard BLAND
1890-1898 | Joseph BLACKBURN
1898-1906 | Adlai STEVENSON I
1906-1910 | Henry DAVIS
1910-1918 | Oscar UNDERWOOD
1918-1922 | Hiram JOHNSON
1922-1930 | Charles CURTIS
1930-1938 | John Nance GARNER
1938-1942 | Ernest MCFARLAND
1942-1946 | Harry S TRUMAN
1946-1950 | Strom THURMOND
1950-1954 | Adlai STEVENSON II
1954-1962 | Dwight David EISENHOWER
1962-1966 | Albert Benjamin CHANDLER
1966-1970 | Lyndon Baines JOHNSON
1970-1975 | Richard NIXON
1975-1978 | Spiro Theodore AGNEW
1978-1982 | James CARTER
1982-1990 | Ronald REAGAN
1990-1994 | Robert DOLE
1994-2002 | William CLINTON
2002-2006 | Albert GORE
2006-2010 | Condoleezza RICE
2010-2011 | John EDWARDS
2011-____ | Loretta LYNCH


HUNGARY founded 1835
1835-1867 | OTTO/OTTO Wittelsbach
1867-1913 | STEPHAN/ISTVÁN Wittelsbach
1913-1922 | MATTHÄUS/MÁTYÁS Wittelsbach
1922-1947 | WLADISLAW/LÁSZLÓ Wittelsbach
1947-1976 | KARL/KÁROLY Wittelsbach
1976-____ | LUDWIG/LAJOS Wittelsbach

1835-1840 | Lajos BATTHYÁNY
1840-1847 | Ádám RÉCSEY
1847-1851 | Lajos KOSSUTH
1851-1867 | Bertalan SZEMERE
1867-1875 | Jószef SZLÁVY
1875-1895 | Béla WENCKHEIM
1895-1903 | Dezső BÁNFFY
1903-1905 | Károly KHUEN-HÉDERVÁRY
1905-1912 | Géza FEJÉRVÁRY
1912-1917 | István TISZA
1917-1918 | Móric ESTERHÁZY
1918-1919 | Mihály KÁROLYI
1919-1920 | István FRIEDRICH
1920-1927 | Sándor SIMONYI-SEMADAM
1927-1931 | István RAKOVSZKY
1931-1939 | Kálmán DARÁNYI
1939-1944 | Ferenc KERESZTES-FISCHER
1944-1946 | Ferenc SZÁLASI
1946-1948 | Béla MIKLÓS
1948-1949 | Ferenc NAGY
1949-1952 | Zoltán TILDY
1952-1953 | Mátyás RÁKOSI
1953-1957 | Imre NAGY
1957-1965 | János KÁDÁR
1965-1988 | Győrgy LÁZÁR
1988-1990 | Miklós NÉMETH
1990-1993 | József ANTALL
1993-2004 | Péter MEDGYESSY
2004-2007 | Ferenc GYURCSÁNY
2007-2009 | Győrgy BAJNAI
2009-____ | Viktor ORBÁN


CAUCASIA founded 1835
1835-1877 | Mikheil SVANIDZE
1877-1899 | Aleksandre SVANIDZE
1899-1924 | Zurab SVANIDZE
1924-1956 | Grigol SVANIDZE
1956-1971 | Ilia SVANIDZE
1971-1995 | Davit SVANIDZE
1995-2011 | Okropir SVANIDZE
2011-____ | Nikoloz SVANIDZE


YUGOSLAVIA founded 1838

CROATIA founded 1941

SERBIA founded 1941

BULGARIA founded 1941

SLOVENIA founded 1988

KOSOVO founded 1988

MEXICO founded 1821

AZTLAN founded 1838

VASCONIA founded 1851
1851-1889 | SABINO I Parratxe
1889-1921 | SABINO II Parratxe
1921-1956 | JOSU Oteiza-Ibárruri
1956-1981 | SABINO III Elhuyar
1981-____ | LOPE Elhuyar


ZANZIBAR founded 1856

NORWAY founded but leaders will not be listed before

DENMARK founded but leaders will not be listed before

CZECHOSLOVAKIA founded 1891

HAWAII founded 1891 but claimants to the titles Shogun of Japan and King of Hawai'i before 1891 will not be listed
(severe changes likely, given to new plans for history)

POLAND founded 19__

FINLAND founded 19__

LITHUANIA founded 19__

THE VOLTA founded 1954
1954-1957 | Mauritius YAMÉOGO
1957-1960 | Coutoucou HUBERT MAGA
1960-1966 | Kwame NKRUMAH
1966-1971 | Karl Artur ANKRAH
1971-1974 | Friedrich Wilhelm KWASI AKUFFO
1974-1984 | Stephan Gnassingbé EYADÉMA
1984-1987 | Thomas SANKARA
1987-1991 | Matthäus KÉRÉKOU
1991-2009 | Lorenz GBAGBO
2009-2012 | Alassane OUATTARA
2012-____ | Wilhelm Kigbafori SORO


KAMERUN founded 1960
1960-1965 | Ahmadou AHIDJO
1965-1970 | Karl ASSALÉ
1970-1975 | Johann Ngu FONCHA
1975-1980 | Salamon Tandeng MUNA
1980-1985 | Lukas AYANG
1985-1990 | Paulus BIYA
1990-1995 | Sadou HAYATOU
1995-2000 | Peter Mafany MUSONGE
2000-2005 | Simon ACHIDI-ACHU
2005-2010 | Efraim INONI
2010-____ | Heinrich Junschi JANG


CENTRAL AFRICA founded 1960
1960-1966 | David DACKO
1966-1969 | Salah Eddine Ahmed BOKASSA
In 1969, Bokassa seized absolute control, declaring himself Emperor Bokassa I of the new Central African Empire.
1969-1996 | Salah Eddine Ahmed BOKASSA I
1996-2001 | Muhammad Abubakar BOKASSA II
In 2001, following years of discontent, Bokassa II resigned, returning the country to democratic rule under a Central African Republic.
2001-2004 | Andreas KOLINGBA
2004-2007 | Franz BOZIZÉ
2007-2010 | Abel GOUMBA
2010-2013 | Michael DJOTODIA
2013-____ | Katharina SAMBA-PANZA


CONGO/ZAIRE founded 1961
1961-1963 | Joseph KASAVUBU
1963-1966 | Wolfgang MASSAMBA-DÉBAT
1966-1969 | Marius NGOUABI
1969-1970 | Albert RAOUL
1970-1971 | Antonius GIZENGA
1971-1992 | MOBUTU Sese Seko
1992-1995 | Joachim YHOMBI-OPANGO
1995-1998 | Johann Petrus THYSTÈRE-TCHICAYA
1998-2004 | Leopold KABILA
2004-2010 | Rudolf KABILA
2010-2013 | Paskal LISSOUBA
2013-____ | Mboche SASSOU NGUESSO


TANGANYIKA founded 1964
1964-1967 | Dominikus MBONYUMUTWA
1967-1970 | Julius NYERERE
1970-1976 | Johannes-Täufer BAGAZA
1976-1979 | Gregor KAYIBANDA
1979-1985 | Ali Hassan MWINYI
1985-1988 | Franz NGEZE
1988-1994 | Sylvia KININGI
1994-1995 | Zyprianus NTARYAMIRA
1995-1997 | Silvester NTIBANTUNGAYA
1997-2000 | Theodor SINDIKUBWABO
2000-2006 | Domitianus NDAYIZEYE
2006-2012 | Jakaya KIKETE
2012-____ | Adolf Paulus KAGAME


NAMIBIA founded 1967
1967-1974 | Bartholomäus AESCHELMANN
1974-1981 | Nikolaus KAHLER-ZILBERBAUER
1981-1988 | Ulrich RADEMACHER
1988-1992 | Waldemar BEUTEL
1992-1999 | Samuel NUJOMA
1999-2006 | Hidipo HAMUTENA
2006-2013 | Usutuaije MAAMBERUA
2013-____ | Hifikepunye POHAMBA


NORTH NEW GUINEA founded 1986
1986-1991 | Dieter FALKENRATH
1991-1996 | Ruprecht REINEKE
1996-2001 | Wolfram MUHLFELD
2001-2006 | Hans DIEFENBACH
2006-2011 | Gretchen KATTOWITZ
2011-____ | Eckhardt KASSERMEYER
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"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me; I was sick and you looked after me; I was in prison and you came to visit me... Truly, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers and sisters, you did for me."
- the Gospel of Matthew, 25:35-40

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Jacqueline Kennedy (infobox)
John F. Kennedy Jr. (infobox)

I was also gonna do Bobby Kennedy but my browser keeps crashing a lot so no :p
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NHK Update
Queen Elizabeth II Festival Begins!


As the sun set tonight over the Western horizons, the mood in the capital city elevated as the Queen Elizabeth II Festival began. A planned two-day street party to commemorate the 90th Birthday of Her Royal Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom. Elizabeth II has the immense honor of being one of the world's longest serving monarchs -- while not serving as long as the Daoguang Emperor of China, she has served longer as Queen of the United Kingdom than Empress Meiji did as Empress of Japan (1774-1837); or Emperor Alexander (1837-1898).

The party itself is a large festival of culture; both British and Japanese, and an expression of friendship to Her Majesty, who, despite the rocky relationship of Britain and Japan's political leadership in the last thirty years, has remained immensely popular in the Empire as a friend, and as a member of the Imperial Family.

The festival is scheduled to end at sundown, April 21. After the party's end, religious blessing ceremonies will be conducted by the Empress at The Mauseoleum; before both the statue of Empress Meiji and Queen Victoria and the one of Emperor Alexander.
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So, is the CSA putting Harriet Tubman on the CS$20?
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Postby Qianrong » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:47 pm

Unicario wrote:So, is the CSA putting Harriet Tubman on the CS$20?

Probably, because Tubman was a very famous Confederate who would be worthy of that honor, though perhaps not, because Jackson wouldn't have been on the CS$20 to begin with.
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Unicario wrote:So, is the CSA putting Harriet Tubman on the CS$20?

Probably, because Tubman was a very famous Confederate who would be worthy of that honor, though perhaps not, because Jackson wouldn't have been on the CS$20 to begin with.


"Would you say, sir, it is inappropriate to replace President [insert name here] on the $20?"

"I say it's political correctness gone too far."




Assuming your bills follow a similar nature to your planned back a couple dozen pages, President Chandler would be on the $20. So he wouldn't get removed. :p
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Unicario wrote:
Qianrong wrote:Probably, because Tubman was a very famous Confederate who would be worthy of that honor, though perhaps not, because Jackson wouldn't have been on the CS$20 to begin with.


"Would you say, sir, it is inappropriate to replace President [insert name here] on the $20?"

"I say it's political correctness gone too far."




Assuming your bills follow a similar nature to your planned back a couple dozen pages, President Chandler would be on the $20. So he wouldn't get removed. :p

Maybe. I know I had a set of bills and coins worked out, but I've forgotten what they all were.
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Postby Ruridova » Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:35 pm

So this is an althistory thought I had, unrelated to the RP but I know that you all are also into althist-y stuff and I wasn't sure where else to post it:

It's well-known that Queen Victoria did not get along with her eldest son and heir, Edward VII. Edward VII (born Albert Edward- he chose to reign as Edward VII partially to spite Victoria, who had wanted him to reign as Albert in honor of his father) did not do as well in his studies as Victoria wanted him to; he sought a military career, but was refused by Victoria; his frequent visits to Paris brothels and his many affairs disgusted Victoria, and his brief sexual relationship with actress Nellie Clifden outright appalled her; furthermore, the fact that Albert (ill with typhoid fever) had insisted on visiting Edward to reprimand him, only to die of typhoid shortly thereafter, meant that Victoria came to blame Edward for Albert's death.

So what if, hypothetically, Victoria decided to spite her eldest son by handing off the throne to one of her eight other children- say, Victoria, Princess Royal. The Princess Royal, Queen Victoria's eldest child, was effectively everything that Edward VII was not- she was extremely studious and curious, educated in science, law, philosophy, astronomy, literature, and history, capable of speaking English, French, German, and Latin, well-behaved in public and in private, steadfastly devoted to her husband. She was a patron of the arts and a talented artist herself, and worked extensively to increase access to education for women. She remained very close to her mother, who affectionately called her "Vicky"; more than 4,000 letters between the two have been cataloged. If Queen Victoria was going to give the throne to someone other than Edward, the Princess Royal seems to be a probable candidate.

So let's say that, shortly before her death on January 22, 1901, Queen Victoria makes an announcement declaring Victoria, Princess Royal to be her heir. Victoria, Princess Royal becomes Her Royal Majesty Victoria II, Queen of Great Britain and Ireland, Empress of India.

Here's where things get interesting: the husband mentioned earlier was His Imperial Majesty Friedrich III, Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia. Friedrich III, by this point, is already dead- he died in 1888 of larynx cancer, with Victoria II being his widow. However, Victoria II- as a result of this marriage- was the Empress Consort of Germany, and retained the title of Empress Dowager after Friedrich III's death. Furthermore, her husband's heir as Emperor of Germany, and her heir as Queen of Great Britain, is her eldest child- His Imperial Majesty Wilhelm II, Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia.

So when Victoria II herself dies on August 5, 1901- after reigning for only 196 days- Wilhelm II becomes His Imperial and Royal Majesty William V and II, King of Great Britain and Ireland, Emperor of India, Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia. Britain and Germany are suddenly under personal union.

What happens then?
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Ruridova wrote:So this is an althistory thought I had, unrelated to the RP but I know that you all are also into althist-y stuff and I wasn't sure where else to post it:

It's well-known that Queen Victoria did not get along with her eldest son and heir, Edward VII. Edward VII (born Albert Edward- he chose to reign as Edward VII partially to spite Victoria, who had wanted him to reign as Albert in honor of his father) did not do as well in his studies as Victoria wanted him to; he sought a military career, but was refused by Victoria; his frequent visits to Paris brothels and his many affairs disgusted Victoria, and his brief sexual relationship with actress Nellie Clifden outright appalled her; furthermore, the fact that Albert (ill with typhoid fever) had insisted on visiting Edward to reprimand him, only to die of typhoid shortly thereafter, meant that Victoria came to blame Edward for Albert's death.

So what if, hypothetically, Victoria decided to spite her eldest son by handing off the throne to one of her eight other children- say, Victoria, Princess Royal. The Princess Royal, Queen Victoria's eldest child, was effectively everything that Edward VII was not- she was extremely studious and curious, educated in science, law, philosophy, astronomy, literature, and history, capable of speaking English, French, German, and Latin, well-behaved in public and in private, steadfastly devoted to her husband. She was a patron of the arts and a talented artist herself, and worked extensively to increase access to education for women. She remained very close to her mother, who affectionately called her "Vicky"; more than 4,000 letters between the two have been cataloged. If Queen Victoria was going to give the throne to someone other than Edward, the Princess Royal seems to be a probable candidate.

So let's say that, shortly before her death on January 22, 1901, Queen Victoria makes an announcement declaring Victoria, Princess Royal to be her heir. Victoria, Princess Royal becomes Her Royal Majesty Victoria II, Queen of Great Britain and Ireland, Empress of India.

Here's where things get interesting: the husband mentioned earlier was His Imperial Majesty Friedrich III, Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia. Friedrich III, by this point, is already dead- he died in 1888 of larynx cancer, with Victoria II being his widow. However, Victoria II- as a result of this marriage- was the Empress Consort of Germany, and retained the title of Empress Dowager after Friedrich III's death. Furthermore, her husband's heir as Emperor of Germany, and her heir as Queen of Great Britain, is her eldest child- His Imperial Majesty Wilhelm II, Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia.

So when Victoria II herself dies on August 5, 1901- after reigning for only 196 days- Wilhelm II becomes His Imperial and Royal Majesty William V and II, King of Great Britain and Ireland, Emperor of India, Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia. Britain and Germany are suddenly under personal union.

What happens then?


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Seriously though, it would likely mean that Britain joins the Triple Alliance/Central Powers, and British culture would likely be more Germanised. Joining the Triple Alliance would mean eventual victory for the Central Powers in WWI, and therefore, no WWII unless you consider France going the way of Germany ATL. Russia would likely lose more land more quickly since the Western Front would be much weaker while Austria-Hungary would gain parts of Ukraine and complete the conquest of the Balkans. The severe losses on the Russian front would only fan the flames for revolution with the result that the Tsar is likely removed in late 1915/early 1916.

On the domestic front, the influx of German ideas would possibly mean that the welfare state is established at an earlier date, possible in MacDonald's first government. Although the new King William would have the same limitations as ATL, the German influence that such a union would bring could not be ignored in Britain. Ireland would likely continue their fight on ATL schedule while some dominions may be somewhat sceptical to the idea of personal union as would many in Westminster. There may even be a small rumbling for William to try to choose one throne or the other. Whether something could actually come of that, I can't say.
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Postby Unicario » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:44 am

Funnily, I've analyzed this very scenario once. Doesn't end as you think it does.

Ruridova wrote:So what if, hypothetically, Victoria decided to spite her eldest son by handing off the throne to one of her eight other children- say, Victoria, Princess Royal. The Princess Royal, Queen Victoria's eldest child, was effectively everything that Edward VII was not- she was extremely studious and curious, educated in science, law, philosophy, astronomy, literature, and history, capable of speaking English, French, German, and Latin, well-behaved in public and in private, steadfastly devoted to her husband. She was a patron of the arts and a talented artist herself, and worked extensively to increase access to education for women. She remained very close to her mother, who affectionately called her "Vicky"; more than 4,000 letters between the two have been cataloged. If Queen Victoria was going to give the throne to someone other than Edward, the Princess Royal seems to be a probable candidate.

So let's say that, shortly before her death on January 22, 1901, Queen Victoria makes an announcement declaring Victoria, Princess Royal to be her heir. Victoria, Princess Royal becomes Her Royal Majesty Victoria II, Queen of Great Britain and Ireland, Empress of India.


British royal tradition / succession doesn't necessarily permit the monarch to just skip over the first-in-line; the child has to either fuck so so badly they abdicate upon succession, or is killed in some manner or another. British succession laws in 1901 meant that the only way Victoria, Princess Royal could become Queen is if everyone else in front of her was dead (all of her brothers and their kids, basically.) In the world after the amending of the succession law for George and Charlotte of Cambridge; yes; she would've just had to have been born first before anyone else.

But not in 1901. :p

So you'd have to disinherit not only Edward VII, but George V, George VI, Edward VIII, and every other female and male child/sibling ahead of her on the line of succession. She would have primacy over her sisters; but you'd have to completely take out everyone Edward VII, George V, George VI, Edward VIII and all their sisters/daughters (where applicable). As the eldest daughter of Queen Victoria, she is behind her brothers and all of their children (which puts her quite far back in the line of succession at this point).

And then you'd also have to take out any of her brothers remaining; though I think they're all dead by 1901.

Here's where things get interesting: the husband mentioned earlier was His Imperial Majesty Friedrich III, Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia. Friedrich III, by this point, is already dead- he died in 1888 of larynx cancer, with Victoria II being his widow. However, Victoria II- as a result of this marriage- was the Empress Consort of Germany, and retained the title of Empress Dowager after Friedrich III's death. Furthermore, her husband's heir as Emperor of Germany, and her heir as Queen of Great Britain, is her eldest child- His Imperial Majesty Wilhelm II, Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia.

So when Victoria II herself dies on August 5, 1901- after reigning for only 196 days- Wilhelm II becomes His Imperial and Royal Majesty William V and II, King of Great Britain and Ireland, Emperor of India, Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia. Britain and Germany are suddenly under personal union.

What happens then?


even if Victoria II did become monarch after a horrific accident that kills off every person in front of her on the line of succession; Parliament (and the Empire) would never give their assent to the coronation of Wilhelm II as King of Great Britain -- they would be very unhappy to be subjugated by the German Empire's whim and foreign policy desires; particularly in an era where Germany and Britain are competing both navally and colonially. Very likely, you'd see them refuse him and invite This guy who is the first-born son of Princess Alice; Victoria's second daughter, to become King Ernest; or King Henry or something. IDK.

Or, considering he's a landed nobleman in the German Empire; they may very well offer Princess Helena the rights to become Queen... or one of the sons of Ernst Augustus, Victoria's uncle -- although they were also Germans and may not be very popular; Ernst Augustus was universally hated in Britain, or at least, by Parliament because he was a tyrannical dickface.

But yeah, a personal union between Germany and Britain in 1901 is impossible; just as how in AWWA, Alexander gave up the opportunity to unite two of the strongest Eastern Empires because of the possible political, economic and military backlash that would be involved. :p

But the line of succession works like a hierarchy -- if you're the second born child, you're behind not only your brother, but your nephews and nieces, and great-nephews and nieces, and so on...

That's why Prince Harry is 5th in line for the British throne today; he is behind his father (Charles), his brother (William), his nephew (George) and his niece (Charlotte) -- if all four of them were to die / not be elligible to the throne for whatever reason; then he could be King.




In AWWA's case, technically, Empress Elizabeth is the rightful Queen of the United Kingdom; but because of an agreement between Britain's parliament and the Japanese parliament, Victoria was given primacy over her brothers. So, if all of her living descendants were to die, then the throne would pass to Emperor George of Japan; then, since he is deceased, it would pass to Emperor Alexander -- and since he is deceased, it would pass to Empress Elizabeth of Japan; who would become Queen Elizabeth II. :p

Similarly, in a 2016 context, you'd have to kill every living descendant of Queen Victoria to have the line bounce over to the Japanese line of the Yamato; that is, unless we pull a Hapsburg at some point. :p
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Shrillland wrote:A new RP.


Sure.

Seriously though, it would likely mean that Britain joins the Triple Alliance/Central Powers


Eh, I doubt it. There would be a great deal of power playing by domestic politicians to prevent the King (see above post for why he would never be allowed to be King) from completely fucking Britain over. Germany and Britain had significant disagreements on colonial rights, navy-building, and realpolitik at this point -- Britain didn't want to be tied down to the rotting corpse of Austria-Hungary, Germany wanted to dominate the North Sea, Britain wanted to keep her colonies safe; Germany wanted more colonies...

and British culture would likely be more Germanised.


In 1901? No way in hell that happens -- Britain is a very fiercely proud nation; they'd never let themselves be subjugated to another nation's cultural whims. The only reason why it's happening in AWWA is because of the fact that Japan and Britain have been exchanging culture now for nearly five centuries.

But IRL at this point, Germany and Britain were two separate nations. The chances of serious cultural fusion in any situation is almost nil; unless you count stuff like music, which happened OTL with the British Invasion.

Joining the Triple Alliance would mean eventual victory for the Central Powers in WWI, and therefore, no WWII unless you consider France going the way of Germany ATL.


See above on why Britain joining the Central Powers isn't necessarily a guarantee -- Britain still has her own foreign policy aims; and both Splendid Isolation and the Hochseeflotte get in the way of Britain being a German ally.

Russia would likely lose more land more quickly since the Western Front would be much weaker while Austria-Hungary would gain parts of Ukraine and complete the conquest of the Balkans. The severe losses on the Russian front would only fan the flames for revolution with the result that the Tsar is likely removed in late 1915/early 1916.


Ehh, but with Britain as a German ally, Germany may sever her ties to Austria-Hungary (which has been described universally by this point as a "rotting carcass") -- Britain is still obligated by treaty to defend Belgian sovereignty; if Germany enters Belgium w/o permission, all bets are off.

However, it is likely that under British pressure, Belgium would allow German forces into their country -- thus averting a huge bloody part of World War I. At the same end, though; you'd see a large measure of discontent over allowing Germany to run rampant across the continent and letting France get a bloody nose from it -- many Britons who feel threatened by German colonial and naval aims would be upset/hostile.

As for the Russian Tsar; eh -- Britain isn't likely to contribute soldiers to the Russian front, if they're fighting a war elsewhere -- Japan will still want Germany's Pacific territories, America would be pretty pissed off at Britain allying themselves to Germany (remember that America before 1917 was very hostile towards both the Entente and Central Powers; and if Germany keeps fucking about with American civilian liners, you may see America join into the fray against Germany/UK)

And considering how much of a blood-bath 1914-1916 were for the Germans, I don't think Germany gets off that easily at first. Sure, once Lenin is let go, you'd have a shitshow for sure, but Germany will suffer losses trying to fight her way through Poland.

On the domestic front, the influx of German ideas would possibly mean that the welfare state is established at an earlier date, possible in MacDonald's first government. Although the new King William would have the same limitations as ATL, the German influence that such a union would bring could not be ignored in Britain. Ireland would likely continue their fight on ATL schedule while some dominions may be somewhat sceptical to the idea of personal union as would many in Westminster. There may even be a small rumbling for William to try to choose one throne or the other. Whether something could actually come of that, I can't say.


Chances are actually that post-WWI, Britain is overthrown by a communist revolution. Such an event came dangerously close in the mid-1920s and has been used as a jumping off point for things like Kaiserreich -- without a coherent British Royal Family, you'd likely see an upswing in republican sentiment in a bid to get away from Berlin -- thus, you'd probably see a communist uprising much like Russia in the 1920s; either that, or a military coup d'etat that declares the throne vacant and invites someone of arguable legitimacy to sit upon it for a spell.

Ireland would likely not be pleased any more so than any other dominion would be -- dangerously putting Britain's empire into jeopardy; you could also see America very well enter the war against the UK and Germany, which would be a pretty serious front for the Central Powers -- Britain and Germany would be busy fighting France and Russia at the time; add in America's navy and army invading Canada, and you've got a quagmire to end all quagmires.

America would inevitably annex Canada -- most war simulations from that era suggest that Britain would never be able to muster defenses to protect it in time; but it would certainly sour the fledgling "Special Relationship" and possibly lead to America turning her back on Europe and focusing solely on Asia; thus possibly creating an American-Japanese alliance made in hell.
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