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by Unicario » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:33 pm
by Ruridova » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:50 pm
Unicario wrote:Also; because of a discovery I have made, I shall hereby declare the following. Ruri, I am, in writing, giving you Harvey Milk and Jackie Kennedy -- both of them are Long Islanders.
by Luziyca » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:52 pm
Ruridova wrote:Unicario wrote:Also; because of a discovery I have made, I shall hereby declare the following. Ruri, I am, in writing, giving you Harvey Milk and Jackie Kennedy -- both of them are Long Islanders.
On Jacqueline Kennedy, keep in mind I did give the Kennedys to Canada when we restarted the whole thing. So it might be better if you gave Jackie to Shrill.
I will gladly accept Milk, though. The Confederate counterculture, civil rights, and the power movements will make the 50s, 60s, and 70s interesting even as the CSA stays largely noninterventionist.
by Unicario » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:21 pm
Ruridova wrote:Unicario wrote:Also; because of a discovery I have made, I shall hereby declare the following. Ruri, I am, in writing, giving you Harvey Milk and Jackie Kennedy -- both of them are Long Islanders.
On Jacqueline Kennedy, keep in mind I did give the Kennedys to Canada when we restarted the whole thing. So it might be better if you gave Jackie to Shrill.
I will gladly accept Milk, though. The Confederate counterculture, civil rights, and the power movements will make the 50s, 60s, and 70s interesting even as the CSA stays largely noninterventionist.
by Luziyca » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:26 pm
Unicario wrote:Ruridova wrote:On Jacqueline Kennedy, keep in mind I did give the Kennedys to Canada when we restarted the whole thing. So it might be better if you gave Jackie to Shrill.
I will gladly accept Milk, though. The Confederate counterculture, civil rights, and the power movements will make the 50s, 60s, and 70s interesting even as the CSA stays largely noninterventionist.
I thought you had Kennedy back again, hence why he gets assassinated in Texas in 1963?
by Unicario » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:31 pm
by Ruridova » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:48 pm
Unicario wrote:Ruridova wrote:On Jacqueline Kennedy, keep in mind I did give the Kennedys to Canada when we restarted the whole thing. So it might be better if you gave Jackie to Shrill.
I will gladly accept Milk, though. The Confederate counterculture, civil rights, and the power movements will make the 50s, 60s, and 70s interesting even as the CSA stays largely noninterventionist.
I thought you had Kennedy back again, hence why he gets assassinated in Texas in 1963?
by Unicario » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:11 pm
by Unicario » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:51 pm
by Unicario » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:57 pm
by Unicario » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:00 pm
by Ruridova » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:09 pm
Unicario wrote:Ruridova wrote:Kennedy is Canadian, I gave the Kennedys to Shrill a while back. IIRC JFK was visiting the CSA for whatever reason, and the Indonesians just happened to shoot him there.
Oh. Well. What was the reason the CSA joins the Indonesian War, again? I think it was just mass terrorism.
Unicario wrote:So; I'm confused now. Who the fuck has John F. Kennedy; is he the Prime Minister of Canada in the 1960s; or is he the President of the CSA!?
by Unicario » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:13 pm
by Ruridova » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:17 pm
by Unicario » Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:49 am
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by Qianrong » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:47 pm
Unicario wrote:So, is the CSA putting Harriet Tubman on the CS$20?
by Unicario » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:56 pm
by Qianrong » Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:32 pm
Unicario wrote:Qianrong wrote:Probably, because Tubman was a very famous Confederate who would be worthy of that honor, though perhaps not, because Jackson wouldn't have been on the CS$20 to begin with.
"Would you say, sir, it is inappropriate to replace President [insert name here] on the $20?"
"I say it's political correctness gone too far."
Assuming your bills follow a similar nature to your planned back a couple dozen pages, President Chandler would be on the $20. So he wouldn't get removed.
by Ruridova » Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:35 pm
by Shrillland » Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:22 am
Ruridova wrote:So this is an althistory thought I had, unrelated to the RP but I know that you all are also into althist-y stuff and I wasn't sure where else to post it:
It's well-known that Queen Victoria did not get along with her eldest son and heir, Edward VII. Edward VII (born Albert Edward- he chose to reign as Edward VII partially to spite Victoria, who had wanted him to reign as Albert in honor of his father) did not do as well in his studies as Victoria wanted him to; he sought a military career, but was refused by Victoria; his frequent visits to Paris brothels and his many affairs disgusted Victoria, and his brief sexual relationship with actress Nellie Clifden outright appalled her; furthermore, the fact that Albert (ill with typhoid fever) had insisted on visiting Edward to reprimand him, only to die of typhoid shortly thereafter, meant that Victoria came to blame Edward for Albert's death.
So what if, hypothetically, Victoria decided to spite her eldest son by handing off the throne to one of her eight other children- say, Victoria, Princess Royal. The Princess Royal, Queen Victoria's eldest child, was effectively everything that Edward VII was not- she was extremely studious and curious, educated in science, law, philosophy, astronomy, literature, and history, capable of speaking English, French, German, and Latin, well-behaved in public and in private, steadfastly devoted to her husband. She was a patron of the arts and a talented artist herself, and worked extensively to increase access to education for women. She remained very close to her mother, who affectionately called her "Vicky"; more than 4,000 letters between the two have been cataloged. If Queen Victoria was going to give the throne to someone other than Edward, the Princess Royal seems to be a probable candidate.
So let's say that, shortly before her death on January 22, 1901, Queen Victoria makes an announcement declaring Victoria, Princess Royal to be her heir. Victoria, Princess Royal becomes Her Royal Majesty Victoria II, Queen of Great Britain and Ireland, Empress of India.
Here's where things get interesting: the husband mentioned earlier was His Imperial Majesty Friedrich III, Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia. Friedrich III, by this point, is already dead- he died in 1888 of larynx cancer, with Victoria II being his widow. However, Victoria II- as a result of this marriage- was the Empress Consort of Germany, and retained the title of Empress Dowager after Friedrich III's death. Furthermore, her husband's heir as Emperor of Germany, and her heir as Queen of Great Britain, is her eldest child- His Imperial Majesty Wilhelm II, Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia.
So when Victoria II herself dies on August 5, 1901- after reigning for only 196 days- Wilhelm II becomes His Imperial and Royal Majesty William V and II, King of Great Britain and Ireland, Emperor of India, Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia. Britain and Germany are suddenly under personal union.
What happens then?
by Unicario » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:44 am
Ruridova wrote:So what if, hypothetically, Victoria decided to spite her eldest son by handing off the throne to one of her eight other children- say, Victoria, Princess Royal. The Princess Royal, Queen Victoria's eldest child, was effectively everything that Edward VII was not- she was extremely studious and curious, educated in science, law, philosophy, astronomy, literature, and history, capable of speaking English, French, German, and Latin, well-behaved in public and in private, steadfastly devoted to her husband. She was a patron of the arts and a talented artist herself, and worked extensively to increase access to education for women. She remained very close to her mother, who affectionately called her "Vicky"; more than 4,000 letters between the two have been cataloged. If Queen Victoria was going to give the throne to someone other than Edward, the Princess Royal seems to be a probable candidate.
So let's say that, shortly before her death on January 22, 1901, Queen Victoria makes an announcement declaring Victoria, Princess Royal to be her heir. Victoria, Princess Royal becomes Her Royal Majesty Victoria II, Queen of Great Britain and Ireland, Empress of India.
Here's where things get interesting: the husband mentioned earlier was His Imperial Majesty Friedrich III, Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia. Friedrich III, by this point, is already dead- he died in 1888 of larynx cancer, with Victoria II being his widow. However, Victoria II- as a result of this marriage- was the Empress Consort of Germany, and retained the title of Empress Dowager after Friedrich III's death. Furthermore, her husband's heir as Emperor of Germany, and her heir as Queen of Great Britain, is her eldest child- His Imperial Majesty Wilhelm II, Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia.
So when Victoria II herself dies on August 5, 1901- after reigning for only 196 days- Wilhelm II becomes His Imperial and Royal Majesty William V and II, King of Great Britain and Ireland, Emperor of India, Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia. Britain and Germany are suddenly under personal union.
What happens then?
by Unicario » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:00 am
Shrillland wrote:A new RP.
Seriously though, it would likely mean that Britain joins the Triple Alliance/Central Powers
and British culture would likely be more Germanised.
Joining the Triple Alliance would mean eventual victory for the Central Powers in WWI, and therefore, no WWII unless you consider France going the way of Germany ATL.
Russia would likely lose more land more quickly since the Western Front would be much weaker while Austria-Hungary would gain parts of Ukraine and complete the conquest of the Balkans. The severe losses on the Russian front would only fan the flames for revolution with the result that the Tsar is likely removed in late 1915/early 1916.
On the domestic front, the influx of German ideas would possibly mean that the welfare state is established at an earlier date, possible in MacDonald's first government. Although the new King William would have the same limitations as ATL, the German influence that such a union would bring could not be ignored in Britain. Ireland would likely continue their fight on ATL schedule while some dominions may be somewhat sceptical to the idea of personal union as would many in Westminster. There may even be a small rumbling for William to try to choose one throne or the other. Whether something could actually come of that, I can't say.
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