AWWA-Yesterday, Today, and Forever(OOC-Closed)

[Qianrong]

I had to make a TL-191 reference Ruri!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Timeline-191_WWI.png

I detect a few slight timeline differences. CSA and Japan on the same side? Absurd!

[Unicario]

I had to make a TL-191 reference Ruri!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Timeline-191_WWI.png

I detect a few slight timeline differences. CSA and Japan on the same side? Absurd!

Yeah, but I had to make a reference to TL-191's equivalence of Nazis. ^^

[Unicario]

I suppose. But I'm going to invent sound film in 1906 in Australia anyway. We need historic footage for the documentary TV channels to play over and over again every day after all.

And the Japanese plan will be the subject of debate for nearly 50 years, especially since so few people right now want to give up the jewel in the crown.

Works for me; I don't think cultural technology would've benefitted from WW1 much. I was referring more to military technology (which actually gives our 21st century technology an earlier birthdate; like the personal computer. )

And the Japanese are fine with it being subject of debate; they themselves are discussing what Japan's plan of operations will be in regards to European colonies. As the 20th century progresses, Japan will become less tolerant of European colonies, and by the time India got independence in 1947, they'll be very very unhappy.

By 1950, Japan will make clear to the various European powers that still have colonies and concession ports in Asia that their "welcome is wearing thin, and that the peoples of Asia call for withdrawal and independence." -- a thinly veiled threat, but a threat anyway.

Japan doesn't want war, but it also doesn't want to be the Asian superpower that turns its head over exploitation.

[Unicario]

Added two new flags. They represent the Provisional Government of the Free Democratic States of America, Japan's formal response to the Confederacy's little Shogunate-in-exile, which was dissolved after Japan forcibly dissolved the Shogunate and beat the Confederates in WW2... And there's also the Reformed Imperial State of China, which Japan used after the fall of the Qing to solidify their legitimacy to govern Asia, particularly by the establishment of princely figureheads of the Aisin-Gioro clan's distance Japanese relatives.

[Qianrong]

Added two new flags. They represent the Provisional Government of the Free Democratic States of America, Japan's formal response to the Confederacy's little Shogunate-in-exile, which was dissolved after Japan forcibly dissolved the Shogunate and beat the Confederates in WW2... And there's also the Reformed Imperial State of China, which Japan used after the fall of the Qing to solidify their legitimacy to govern Asia, particularly by the establishment of princely figureheads of the Aisin-Gioro clan's distance Japanese relatives.

CSA never recognized the Shogunate, nor did it officially found it, remember? Rich delusional Japanese-Confederate guy whose ancestors told him he was descended from a shogun decided to found his own shogunate and the Confederacy just didn't give enough of a shit to consider stopping him.

[Qianrong]

Speaking of which, I'm still re-working-out the Shogunate because now Japan retakes Hawaii and that makes things awkward for the Niihau-based shogunate. I'm torn between him escaping and doing crazy shit somewhere else, because that would be fun, or between him either being captured by Japan and executed or killed at sea by the IJN, because he's a Confederate citizen and not a Japanese one so his murder would be politically convenient for the CSA.

[Unicario]

Added two new flags. They represent the Provisional Government of the Free Democratic States of America, Japan's formal response to the Confederacy's little Shogunate-in-exile, which was dissolved after Japan forcibly dissolved the Shogunate and beat the Confederates in WW2... And there's also the Reformed Imperial State of China, which Japan used after the fall of the Qing to solidify their legitimacy to govern Asia, particularly by the establishment of princely figureheads of the Aisin-Gioro clan's distance Japanese relatives.

CSA never recognized the Shogunate, nor did it officially found it, remember? Rich delusional Japanese-Confederate guy whose ancestors told him he was descended from a shogun decided to found his own shogunate and the Confederacy just didn't give enough of a shit to consider stopping him.

Well, the PGFDSA isn't officially government-sponsored, but the Japanese don't do anything about it because they don't care.
Similar to the Shogunate, it's lead by a bunch of Japanese people who were descendants of American Revolution veterans who ended up in Japan.

And Takahashi would likely be abducted by the Japanese, shot, and thrown into the ocean.

[Unicario]

Hi yes, I've revised the map borders in a few places; just to make it look prettier post-war. I've also made it easier to see where Japan's dominion/protectorate states are; Korea, Manchukuo, Indochina and Siam.

[Qianrong]

PGFDSA

Gesundheit.

Really, I don't think the CSA would take PEGIDA or PSAT/MNSQT or whatever very seriously. A couple random people living in Japan who've probably never seen North America or actually interacted with any Confederate won't garner any more attention or outrage than some delusional rich man naming himself shogun. I mean, they're less powerful than the average micronation, after all.

And Takahashi would likely be abducted by the Japanese, shot, and thrown into the ocean.

I'm questioning whether or not you would get to abduct him, though. Keep in mind he's my character.

[Bojikami]

PGFDSA

Gesundheit.

Really, I don't think the CSA would take PEGIDA or PSAT/MNSQT or whatever very seriously. A couple random people living in Japan who've probably never seen North America or actually interacted with any Confederate won't garner any more attention or outrage than some delusional rich man naming himself shogun. I mean, they're less powerful than the average micronation, after all.

And Takahashi would likely be abducted by the Japanese, shot, and thrown into the ocean.

I'm questioning whether or not you would get to abduct him, though. Keep in mind he's my character.

The Russian Republic could harbour him.

[Luziyca]

These plans...

China will be making a Plan B.

[Unicario]

I'm questioning whether or not you would get to abduct him, though. Keep in mind he's my character.

Fair enough, it's mostly only to be a minor annoyance at best; and to antagonize. As for Takahashi, point taken.

[Unicario]

These plans...

China will be making a Plan B.

What is little Chuugoku gonna do, eh?

[Qianrong]

Just gonna float a potential thing for Yugoslavia: in the 1940s, the monarchy faces rebellions from fascist Croats and communist Serbs, retreating to Bulgaria; the war ends with the monarchs renouncing claims to Serbia and Croatia, which become communist and fascist respectively, in return for retaining Bulgaria. Thoughts?

[Qianrong]

These plans...

China will be making a Plan B.

What is little Chuugoku gonna do, eh?

>China
>little

[Unicario]

Just gonna float a potential thing for Yugoslavia: in the 1940s, the monarchy faces rebellions from fascist Croats and communist Serbs, retreating to Bulgaria; the war ends with the monarchs renouncing claims to Serbia and Croatia, which become communist and fascist respectively, in return for retaining Bulgaria. Thoughts?

So Yugoslavia breaks up into four states; Slovenia, Croatia(w/ Bosnia), Serbia(w/ Montenegro) and Greater Bulgaria?

[Bojikami]

Just gonna float a potential thing for Yugoslavia: in the 1940s, the monarchy faces rebellions from fascist Croats and communist Serbs, retreating to Bulgaria; the war ends with the monarchs renouncing claims to Serbia and Croatia, which become communist and fascist respectively, in return for retaining Bulgaria. Thoughts?

Hm. If you could, perhaps have something happen around World War 2 with the Ustaše? Italy would support.

[Luziyca]

These plans...

China will be making a Plan B.

What is little Chuugoku gonna do, eh?

Win.

[Unicario]

Something like this, Ruri?

[Qianrong]

Just gonna float a potential thing for Yugoslavia: in the 1940s, the monarchy faces rebellions from fascist Croats and communist Serbs, retreating to Bulgaria; the war ends with the monarchs renouncing claims to Serbia and Croatia, which become communist and fascist respectively, in return for retaining Bulgaria. Thoughts?

So Yugoslavia breaks up into four states; Slovenia, Croatia(w/ Bosnia), Serbia(w/ Montenegro) and Greater Bulgaria?

Three:

CROATIA controls Slovenia, Croatia, and the Bosniak-Croat Federation;
SERBIA controls Serbia, the Republika Srpska, Montenegro, and Kosovo;
BULGARIA controls Macedonia and Bulgaria.

Of course, it's entirely possible that these would just be the First Yugoslav Wars, and that the 1990s would see the Second Yugoslav Wars as the Slovenes, Bosniaks, and Kosovars decide they don't like this arrangement. This would probably ultimately result in the following:

SLOVENIA controls Slovenia;
CROATIA controls Croatia;
BOSNIA controls Bosnia & Herzegovina
SERBIA controls Serbia and Montenegro;
KOSOVO controls Kosovo;
BULGARIA controls Macedonia and Bulgaria.

Again, though, this is all just a possibility.

Just gonna float a potential thing for Yugoslavia: in the 1940s, the monarchy faces rebellions from fascist Croats and communist Serbs, retreating to Bulgaria; the war ends with the monarchs renouncing claims to Serbia and Croatia, which become communist and fascist respectively, in return for retaining Bulgaria. Thoughts?

Hm. If you could, perhaps have something happen around World War 2 with the Ustaše? Italy would support.

I was planning on all this going down in the 1940s because then I can use Josip Broz Tito and Ante Pavelic and soforth.

[Unicario]

So Yugoslavia breaks up into four states; Slovenia, Croatia(w/ Bosnia), Serbia(w/ Montenegro) and Greater Bulgaria?

Three:

CROATIA controls Slovenia, Croatia, and the Bosniak-Croat Federation;
SERBIA controls Serbia, the Republika Srpska, Montenegro, and Kosovo;
BULGARIA controls Macedonia and Bulgaria.

Well, I'm going to say that the Slovenes would resent the hell out of this organization and would likely attempt to secede unilaterally from Croatia later on; with militancy. Slovenes are not fans of their Croatian cousins; Slovenia would probably opt to be one of Germany's provinces over Croatia's. This is coming from somebody who knows Slovenians.

Also; I humbly request you not partition Bosnia and let Croatia have it, because that just makes my job as cartographer exponentially harder. ;_;

[Unicario]

I was planning on all this going down in the 1940s because then I can use Josip Broz Tito and Ante Pavelic and soforth.

The main problem is that our history's events are rather accelerated; fascism will have already gone by the 1940s; with France being one of the last fascist states on Earth along with Republican China. Communism will remain a pervasive force, particularly where Italy (which will be communist) is concerned.

[Luziyca]

I was planning on all this going down in the 1940s because then I can use Josip Broz Tito and Ante Pavelic and soforth.

The main problem is that our history's events are rather accelerated; fascism will have already gone by the 1940s; with France being one of the last fascist states on Earth along with Republican China. Communism will remain a pervasive force, particularly where Italy (which will be communist) is concerned.

You're forgetting Ireland here. Falangist Ireland, that lasts until 1975 (when The Troubles begins) to 1998 when it ends. Starts over a riot during a match of Irish football...

[Qianrong]

Three:

CROATIA controls Slovenia, Croatia, and the Bosniak-Croat Federation;
SERBIA controls Serbia, the Republika Srpska, Montenegro, and Kosovo;
BULGARIA controls Macedonia and Bulgaria.

Well, I'm going to say that the Slovenes would resent the hell out of this organization and would likely attempt to secede unilaterally from Croatia later on; with militancy. Slovenes are not fans of their Croatian cousins.

Again, there's possibly going to be a Second Yugoslav War in the 1990s where the Slovenes, Bosniaks, and Kosovars try and succeed at making a break for it.

Also; I humbly request you not partition Bosnia because that just makes my job as cartographer exponentially harder. ;_;

But the potential for accidental border crossings provided by an utterly confusing border is too immense!

Really, just copy and paste BiH on this map into your map; this one has the border between the Bosniak-Croat Federation and the Republika Srspka in gray, so just make it white to show that it's a national border and color the things on both sides.

fascism will have already gone by the 1940s

That's not set in stone, though, and regardless it doesn't have to be universal. It might be perfectly alive in Yugoslavia, what with the country's weak monarchy and perpetual ethnic tension. Hell, the CSA might have some sort of briefly-prominent fascist movement after losing to Japan, especially because the peace lobby was selling reconciliation as the Japanese prepared for war.

[Luziyca]

Also; I humbly request you not partition Bosnia because that just makes my job as cartographer exponentially harder. ;_;

But the potential for accidental border crossings provided by an utterly confusing border is too immense!

Really, just copy and paste BiH on this map into your map; this one has the border between the Bosniak-Croat Federation and the Republika Srspka in gray, so just make it white to show that it's a national border and color the things on both sides.

You could just make Bosnia a massive jigsaw puzzle, such as having a part of Sarajevo be inside Serbia inside Croatia inside Serbia inside Croatia inside Serbia...

It will put the madness that is the OTL exclave and enclaves on the Indian-Bangladeshi border to shame.